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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 14 2013 20:11 GMT
#3091
Arco can you expand on why you think if Foolishness is scum cross must be town? I'm not following that leap.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 14 2013 22:08 GMT
#3115
On March 15 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 05:53 Acrofales wrote:
On March 15 2013 05:11 Stutters695 wrote:
Arco can you expand on why you think if Foolishness is scum cross must be town? I'm not following that leap.

Xfire fired a nuke at Foolish. Xfire didn't know the nuke was fake (unless Xfire, Sloosh and Foolish are all scum together and this was a GIANT TRAP).

Therefore, if Foolish is scum, and Xfire is scum, then Xfire fired a nuke at his scumbuddy... out of nowhere and for no apparent reason. Not a likely scenario.


Yes, it's pretty obvious, the most interesting thing about it is that Stutters couldn't work out this logic for himself. It's not a leap... is Stutters just not reading? Crossfire's filter isn't very long to miss ##Nuke Foolishness

Obviously I saw the nukes.
I was thinking it wouldn't be too far of a stretch that if both were scum they'd obviously both know they both got nukes and assumed they were fake but if one happened to be real he'd get crazy town cred for it. Additionally given foolishness' post about not liking busses when he's scum it seemed like a distinct possibility to me. I'm probably just being paranoid though.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 16:17 GMT
#3557
Vivax does your role have a veteran power built into it?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 16:23 GMT
#3558
Also Marv after everything that has transpired, where do you sit on Cross? He still hasn't done anything but I'm having trouble seeing how he would fit into a Sumatran at this point.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 16:29 GMT
#3562
On March 16 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 01:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Vivax does your role have a veteran power built into it?


First time I see you since jurassic and you ask me a question about my role that shouldn't concern you at all if you're town.

Dafuq

Just answer please.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 16:46 GMT
#3576
only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though.

Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that

##vote: Vivax
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 16:58 GMT
#3583
On March 16 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 16 2013 01:46 Stutters695 wrote:
only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though.

Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that

##vote: Vivax


NOooo! Shoot FOOLISHNESS!

I'd rather let a regular vig do it so it isn't announced and it doesn't get rb'ed. Worst case if foolish lives we just lynch him again and coordinate to put a scummer in second again just in case it's an indefinite thing (I also can't know if the other person already locked in his shot but if he hasn't he can vote differently, we won't shoot and he can add you and we shoot tomorrow.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 17:08 GMT
#3587
On March 16 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 01:58 Stutters695 wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote:
On March 16 2013 01:46 Stutters695 wrote:
only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though.

Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that

##vote: Vivax


NOooo! Shoot FOOLISHNESS!

I'd rather let a regular vig do it so it isn't announced and it doesn't get rb'ed. Worst case if foolish lives we just lynch him again and coordinate to put a scummer in second again just in case it's an indefinite thing (I also can't know if the other person already locked in his shot but if he hasn't he can vote differently, we won't shoot and he can add you and we shoot tomorrow.


Ok. I worry that we don't have a regular vig, but I guess the announce/roleblock thing makes some sense. And I do love me a bit of Vivax death.

It's part of your role that you have to announce it in thread then?

It's kind of weird. I guess someone had a town read on me because it's their role that's being used. They added me to a sleeper cell with a 1shot vig power. I assume each night they can add a new person (I got the notification pm with the day post). Each phase the leader can send one pm through the mods to the members of the cell and each night we vote on who to kill. If everyone in the cells votes match the shot goes off on that target(I don't know if it's instantly or at night resolution, I assume resolution).I announced it because it was obvious that's what was doing when I asked if he had a vet power and to make sure the leader and I were on the same page, but I wouldn't know if the bullet fizzed if I didn't know about vivax powers.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 17:56 GMT
#3593
Host called it a sleeper cell, but I was told nothing about an alt-wincon(otherwise I wouldn't have brought this up). Other than my notification PM and the one message he sent me (saying he liked the plan I proposed and who he wanted to shoot) I know nothing about it. Based off of what I know (I got my PM at d2 post) and that his message was directly in response to what I said in thread I'm assuming it's just me and him right now and it said nothing about if he gets a vote (I assumed he does). Votes are done via PM.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 18:02 GMT
#3597
@Marv I don't know how the shot gets carried out but hopefully it will be done by the anon leader(I don't know who he is even). All I know is that the cell has a 1shot kp.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 18:04 GMT
#3599
Hopefully he hasn't sent in his vote. I'll try PMing the host yo see if I can change, if not it's out if my control.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 18:48 GMT
#3606
MY VOTE IS CHANGED TO FOOLISH, PLEASE DO THE SAME GUY WHO ADDED ME
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 20:21 GMT
#3651
Town cross post count usually does seem really similar to mine. His complete lack of any content is what makes him scum, he's just more involved as town.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 20:51 GMT
#3665
The quality should show you something is wrong. I'd rather lynch sloosh over him just because if sloosh is scum it essentially confirms Cross as scum since the nuke would be his only saving grace.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 15 2013 20:53 GMT
#3666
On March 16 2013 05:43 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:
On March 16 2013 05:24 austinmcc wrote:
No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games.


Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts.

Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket.

I was about to say that PU is not good comparison material, because he was confirmed town due to mason, so he could pretty much get away with murder.

In MTG2 I pegged him as scum ridiculously easily. So he has either improved his game, or he's town. On D1 he looked like scum, but on D2 he had some insightful stuff, mainly about the nukes.

Lets kill the scum we know before worrying about their partners. Associations should help... and the Cora associations are untrustworthy. I tried working from the assumption that Cora is town, but I just tie myself into wifom knots where I have conflicting beliefs about Foolishness and the use of the death miller thing. The whole exercise seems pointless and I end up agreeing that we should just ignore the whole flip and work from our reads without Cora associations, at least for now.

Kill Foolishness. Work from there.

Unless scum has a medic/he is also vet(doubt it) he should be dead if the cell leader has read the thread at all. Might as well treat his as dead.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 16 2013 00:39 GMT
#3703
Ok, this might be unnecessary if you've been following along but apparently sloosh hasn't so here's a phone post addressing his case:

Pushing Crossfire: I didn't post a formal case but I spent the entirety of my time in the thread arguing about how lynching anyone else was stupid d1 when we would have directly affected scum kp with a crossfire lynch. If you don't consider that pushing i don't know what to tell you.

"High level play": My point in my quote about you was that you had only commented on Yamato, someone who was obviously controversial so no matter the outcome you'd wind up benefiting (if you are scum, which is what I was looking for). Like i said in another post it was your refusal to comment on anything but Yamato that I found scummy, not that you weighed in on him.

Unnatural ... everything: Again you're misrepresenting what I said. I said foolish's case on Cross was based on a single action and the rest on unconfirmed associations. Marv had mentioned how cross posts and quoted how everything Cross had posted was straight fluff.

I'll let you in on a secret also, the shot was directed at Cross, I was hoping if scum had a way to save they'd pop it on Vivax and sniping Cross would be easy. If you read the post I type ##Shoot: Vivax in, the sentence before it I tell the leader to go with his choice and don't actually name Vivax. That was intentional.

I didn't do it with Foolishness because I announced in the thread he should switch his vote to foolish and had already announced the vote was to make my intention known, thus a second vote would serve no purpose.

It's funny you mention inventing stuff to make someone seem scummy because that sure feels like what you're doing.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 16 2013 01:11 GMT
#3706
On March 16 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
K. I was starting on my nightly reads and realized that I don't trust Stutters' sleeper cell to do the job. Really, if there is any other vig, they should totally be on Foolishness.

Basically, there is no guarantee that Stutters or his partner are not scum. Yes, I have a bit of a town read on Stutters, but no clue what this sleeper cell business is, and sleeper cell doesn't sound town aligned.

Destroy Foolishness. It's better to be safe than sorry. Shoot Foolishness.

This was part of my reason for wanting to shoot cross. I got the message saying that he wanted to kill cross six minutes after deadline when hours before the lynch people were leaning town on Cross due to how events played out. I was hesitant to pull the trigger on that until Marv said he was suspicious of Cross.

I also still can't explain why he would choose me over a strong town player unless he had hopes of getting me to help him shoot a townie that no one would question. We'll see if he switched to foolish and go from there I guess.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 16 2013 03:28 GMT
#3763
Well I got a notification saying my sleeper cell KP has been used so that explains one of the KP.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 16 2013 03:33 GMT
#3767
DP you might not have noticed but with Cora the announcement was twelve hours after the flip.

I find it hard to believe that a death framer would have multiple shots however so I doubt we'll see anything. :/
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
March 16 2013 04:19 GMT
#3779
@DPs case:

First, Cross wasn't one of my accusers any time during d1.

This was probably lost in filter reading since I don't quote that much on my phone but nearly every d1 post (after I stopped rping) was either a question or a direct response to someone.

You also haven't played with me recently (have you?). Themed and LIX have been much more sheepish than previous games. I'd also suggest you check YANMM where, despite being dumb, I tunnel the shit out of Vivax once I'm sure he's scum (and he's my main read before as well).

I noticed a distinct lack of mentioning Crossfire at all. Now that foolish is flipped and he doesn't have the excuse he targeted scum with a nuke, what do you think about him DP?
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