Personality Mafia 2 - Page 209

On March 18 2013 07:50 Crossfire99 wrote:
Why is marv scum? Explain in detail cause I don't see it.

On March 18 2013 08:04 risk.nuke wrote:
Vivax is an idiot but he's actually caring.

On March 18 2013 08:06 Acrofales wrote:
I don't know what scum did. They may have shot Marv and it got DI killed. Or they roleblocked marv and shot DI.

But it means that if Marv was alive on D2, he was guaranteed to be alive on D3. So yeah, policy lynch moved up a day due to obvious protective roles being obviously protecting Marv.

On March 18 2013 08:07 Acrofales wrote:

Fine, then lets default back to Xfire. What makes you think Xfire is town?

On March 18 2013 08:06 Acrofales wrote:
I don't know what scum did. They may have shot Marv and it got DI killed. Or they roleblocked marv and shot DI.

But it means that if Marv was alive on D2, he was guaranteed to be alive on D3. So yeah, policy lynch moved up a day due to obvious protective roles being obviously protecting Marv.

On March 18 2013 08:06 austinmcc wrote:

marv is around at lylo. This should not be the case. EVEN IF he were town and wrong all game, he's one of the few, if not the only, remaining player who has been putting in effort and organizing town. Scum can't just rely on him being wrong forever, and if they took him out then town loses someone who puts in a ton of effort and is pushy with his votes - someone who is threatening to scum.

I don't think Foolishness's case is slam-dunk, but as of today we know Foolishness was town. He was actually trying to trap marv and observe marv's reaction. I had Foolishness as scum, but we know that's not the case now. Nobody seems to be factoring this into things, but Foolishness's reads are now valid and worth considering.

Some of it is personal stuff. There are some buddy-ish posts between marv and I, which I should have noticed more. Normally, if marv is town, we argue about a decent number of things. Here, I agreed with his Foolishness read, but he's been scummy on slOosh for a bit now and I've been townie. When marv is townie and I disagree with him, he's all over my ass for being an idiot (See: stupid ass LIX where marv is right about near EVERYTHING and I'm wrong about near EVERYTHING and he's calling me on it whenever I disagree with him). When marv is scum, he's often more buddyish and friendly, in my experience, at least towards me (again, this is specific-to-me stuff). We were together in a mason QT at the end of LV, friendly banter, and in Themed Mini he was kind of friendly and banter-y, although he was also just goofing off to some extent. All that explanation to say that marv has been more buddy-y with me this game than "austin is a dumbass," didn't get all up in my grill over our different slOosh reads, and ONLY started with the austin-is-an-idiot stuff today - + Show Spoiler +

That quote itself was kind of telling for me. I'm awful, I can't get a read right to save my life, etc. I have maybe more than my share of bad bad games, but I don't think I've played overly poorly this one. At the very least, I haven't done stupid shit yet, and that sadly counts as not overly poorly for me. But marv has only turned on that acidity NOW, not when we disagreed about stuff before, only now. Those are the sort of posts he should have been directing at me all game if he were town when we disagreed on slOosh or on cora or on other topics.

Another minor thing, and maybe specific to me, is marv's reaction to this day. I remember Movie Star Mini Mafia as a game where marv and VE were at each other's throats for just about a full cycle. 1/2 the thread was them spamming attacks at each other, blah blah blah. marv was a vig and shot VE, who flipped town. marv was mopey for a while after that, because he'd been wrong, that's what he referenced earlier today when asking if I'd seen him have to regroup after being so wrong about his strongest reads/entire theory of the game. But marv's response THAT game was to go balls-to-the-wall and try to solve the game before he got NKed the next day. There was a google doc full of thoughts, reads on people, etc. etc. I forget the exact scenario, but he basically went and figured out more or less who the mafia were, and more or less specifically who the mafia RB was. Or some power role. That was like the only target that town could kill and still have a chance, it was a SK game and without that iirc the game came down to mafia vs. sk and town couldn't win. Anyhow, marv's reaction THIS game is different. I HAVE seen him go dark and be unconfident after having a strong read come up wrong. But when that happened, he popped back and basically solved the game as best he could. Here, that has NOT happened, in the least. He points to the lack of confidence, hoping I recognize that as the same as another town game, but he doesn't seem to remember that his reaction was two-part that game, and the other part is lacking here.

/breath

So, a bunch of little things, and then the whole glaring he's-still-alive-D3/lylo-and-scum-is-shooting-people-who-aren't-going-to-take-over-town-like-he-can.

On March 12 2013 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Update

cDgCorazon (1): HiroPro, Mocsta, VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes (0): yamato77

Mocsta (0): Oatsmaster

iamperfection (0): Kurumi,wherebugsgo

Acrofales (0): risk.nuke

Ver (0): Acrofales, BloodyC0bbler

Hiropro (0): iamperfection

Oatsmaster (1): strongandbig

Yamato77 (6): cDgCorazon, VisceraEyes, slOosh, Vivax, Foolishness, BloodyC0bbler

Promethelax (0): Vivax

Stutters965 (0): HiroPro, iamperfection, Marvellosity

Crossfire99 (7): austinmcc, VisceraEyes, Dandel Ion, stutters695, VisceraEyes, supersoft, strongandbig, marvellosity, Ver

austinmcc (0): Oatsmaster

wherebugsgo (8): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, Oatsmaster, Mocsta, Crossfire99, austinmcc, marvellosity, Wherebugsgo, iamperfection, Vivax, Acrofales

Vivax (0): Foolishness, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity

Supersoft (1): yamato77

SlOosh (2): HiroPro, iamperfection, risk.nuke

prplhz (1): wherebugsgo, Vivax, Vivax, Wherebugsgo

50 minutes remain. Please let me know if you notice a mistake

On March 18 2013 08:13 Vivax wrote:


Lol roleblock marv and shoot DI the village idiot who becomes scum bodyguard cause he's a fanboy.
Why not roleblock DI and kill marv?Or doublestack marv and instead waste a shot on a guy like DI?

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 18 2013 08:12 risk.nuke wrote:

Nothing I'm just more sure on DP.

On March 17 2013 23:25 Acrofales wrote:
Good morning. I have not read the last two pages, but I just looked at the voting thread:
Marv: 5 votes
Vivax: 3 votes
Xfire: 1 vote
DP: 1 vote

This is ridiculous. Marv is NOT the best lynch today and Vivax is probably town based on him being aggressive and nasty, instead of calm and cooperative.

DP and Xfire are scum. I have made the case for Xfire and still stand by it. Just open his filter and look what he has done:

First posts are all fluff. The only non-fluff in the first page of his filter is:

This is just gratuitious suspicion. Yes, Ver was incredibly suspect for that post, but the REASONS Xfire gives for it are stupid. He clearly believes Ver: there is a 20% chance Ver is playing against his wincon with this and that is somehow SUSPECT? No. There is nothing suspicious about ACTUALLY not reading your role pm. It is suspicious to CLAIM you haven't read your role pm, because the two reasons are: you haven't actually read your role pm, or you're scum preparing an excuse (cop-out) for whatever behaviour comes later.

Xfire did not think this through. Now townies don't think this through either, but the reasoning is so weak, it just looks like he is buddying up to Yamato (who had his vote on Xfire at the time) without having an original thought about Ver's claim. This, btw is independent of Ver's alignment: Xfire NEVER follows up on this suspicion.

Apologizing for doing nothing, then doing more of nothing:


Activity ahead, I promise.

Eh, nvm. Activity too hard. Just kill me instead. You found me out.

Hilariously, he got the vote deadline wrong and then realizes there's still some time and that somehow his lack of activity got people to switch votes. And then we get:

This I actually thought was an interesting point at the time. If Vivax were scum and Xfire town, this would work. However, it works EQUALLY well if Xfire is scum. Think about it: Vivax is a townie and for some arcane reason actually have a truthful town read on Xfire at this point. However, if Xfire is scum and knows he's played like shit, it is soo easy to just say: that random townie who has a town-vote on me is acting with prior information, because no way an actual townie could have a town read on me. Beautiful way of setting someone up.

Regardless. He escaped the lynch. You'd now expect more contribution from Xfire, right? Wrong.


At the time, I thought this was a rather townie post:

However, Vivax was given a nuke too, so him jumping to the conclusion that the other nukes were gifts too is not really that much of a stretch. Which makes this null: it is just more free suspicion on his chosen scumspect.

Also, now that we know Foolishness was town, it's clear that Vivax did not have this information from his scumQT (well, unless sloosh is scum, but then I would think he would have alerted his scumteam to not be stupid about this).

The rest of Xfire's filter has chat about the nukes, which is neither here nor there... and a defense of Foolishness' case on him, which is also neither here nor there.

He then apologizes again for being absent. I am sorry you're sick, Xfire: I believe you on that, and that that is a factor in your sparse posts. Nevertheless, scum get sick too, and the (very) few content posts Xfire has made are easy reads to fly under the radar. No longer. Xfire is scum. Kill him.

On March 18 2013 08:21 Vivax wrote:
See how there were only townies (almost) on the crossfire wagon? But then marv started a counter bandwagon on me and jumped off the crossfire one. He's likely the only scum on that bandwagon at the moment, unless Ver is scum, too. But I currently have to assume he isn't.



Remember the marv scumread on Crossfire end of N2, in his big read post? And how I called him out for it when Foolish was unlynchable? And how both Foolish and marv agreed that Crossfire was scum?

But marv still didn't want to lynch crossfire cause it would have proven Foolish's innocence, and actually I'm quite sure crossfire is scum now.
If marv lynched crossfire and he would have flipped town, he would still have had an argument against Foolish, but since crossfire would have flipped red, the Foolish lynch would have been impossible to achieve from then on.

So yeah, out of the list of people I were unsure of in my scumread post I'd pick crossfire now as remaining scum.

Nuke please lynch marv :|

On March 18 2013 08:31 Vivax wrote:
Don't talk to me Acro, as scum you're just thin air. Talk to others.

On March 18 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
No, my role is restricted to pushing votes only onto myself.

Now that it's out, scum has to opt for my mislynch basically cause I can pull off a vote from every other mislynch.

It was a pleasure to play at ur side SlOosh ;_;