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On March 17 2013 02:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
In all seriousness, we kill Crossfire (or DP) today, they flip mafia, it's still lylo tomorrow and i'm left alive. What then? This stinks. You're a more-than-solid mafia player. You know that. You enjoy that. But yet you are saying that you're town, going to finally start lynching mafia, and then they will leave you alive tonight? This isn't the marv that I know, who should have been assuming that every night from N1 he was going to be killed. I have tried to be the police. That hasn't worked. So let's try something else. austinmcc wright, thread lawyer. OATS - Have you ever played in a game with scummarv before? If so, which? If so, on a scale of -10 (Modconfirmed scum) to +10 (Modconfirmed townie) how did you read him? WHOLE THREAD - Was anyone roleblocked N1?
I played with him in themed. Didnt need to read him cause
1. he was trolling
2. I got mislynched day 1.
Everything else has been town.
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Okay. Thank you for the answers.
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On March 17 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:57 Acrofales wrote:
I guess it's believable. Scum doesn't know how DI's protection works. They want Marv dead. Marv claims to protect DI, so they roleblock him and kill DI.
Scum-Marv *could* kill DI just to make it look like this is what happened: it is entirely clear that if DI HADN'T died, then my D3 policy-lynch of Marv would have come roaring into action.
Eh. I think I'm being paranoid. Marv isn't playing like scum. He was just as wrong as me and a whole list of confirmed townies about Foolishness.
Lets kill Xfire. It's lylo and there are 5 scums left. Plenty of time to lynch Marv if he is left alive. Lets get the low-hanging fruit first. Lynch Xfire now. In all seriousness, we kill Crossfire (or DP) today, they flip mafia, it's still lylo tomorrow and i'm left alive. What then?
Lets face it. If you're town, you'll be dead tomorrow. If you're not, then we worry about it tomorrow. You realize that the longer you're left alive, the more likely it is that you're scum? Especially if you actually start catching scum rather than tunneling Foolishness.
To a lesser extent, the same goes for austin and me. I don't really expect to be alive tomorrow myself. In fact, I am wondering why Iamp was killed over austin or me. Neither of us seemed particularly likely to get protection. Maybe Iamp was onto something? SnB, DI and Promethelax all make sense. But Iamp is a bit odd, imho.
I just checked his filter and the last 3 pages have nothing that stands out. Maybe his town read on Marv? I said I would policy-lynch Marv D3. Maybe scum wants Marv lynched today? Or maybe DP is town and my main scumspect at night was DP (after Foolishness). They only need one mislynch, so if DP is town, killing Iamp for not being clearly in the lynch DP camp? I dunno. I hate speculating about NKs. It is almost always pointless and requires all kinds of assumptions about the scum mindset.
Anyway, long story short: today we catch scum. Tomorrow we worry again about whether you could be scum if you are alive. Do you expect to be?
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Also, let me check austin's filter and see if he really is as townie as I think. Fuck. Foolishness being green is making me doubt ALL my reads.
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This is a write-up from hapahauli on catching scummarv in a game where he got lynched as scum.
The hapa write-up is less than ideal for this game, as the intro notes. Why is it less than ideal? I'm not telling you, go read the dang post.
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READ MY CASE
MARV IS MAFIA
STOP BEING DUMB
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On March 17 2013 03:55 yamato77 wrote:
READ MY CASE
MARV IS MAFIA
STOP BEING DUMB
Why are you ignoring the stuff that says why marv isnt mafia?
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On March 17 2013 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 03:55 yamato77 wrote:
READ MY CASE
MARV IS MAFIA
STOP BEING DUMB Why are you ignoring the stuff that says why marv isnt mafia?
As in?
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On March 17 2013 04:00 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 17 2013 03:55 yamato77 wrote:
READ MY CASE
MARV IS MAFIA
STOP BEING DUMB Why are you ignoring the stuff that says why marv isnt mafia? As in?
as in the fact that
1. He has a 30+ page filter
2. His play is markedly different from his play in Hero.
3. He seems invested in this game, not detached and aloof.
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On March 17 2013 04:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:00 yamato77 wrote:On March 17 2013 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 17 2013 03:55 yamato77 wrote:
READ MY CASE
MARV IS MAFIA
STOP BEING DUMB Why are you ignoring the stuff that says why marv isnt mafia? As in? as in the fact that 1. He has a 30+ page filter 2. His play is markedly different from his play in Hero. 3. He seems invested in this game, not detached and aloof.
You didn't even read my posts...
Just read the case. I showed he doesn't care as much about the lynch and doesn't take stances about it as you think he does.
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This is marv's one and only response to my case:
On March 16 2013 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
yamato, literally nothing in that case shows I'm mafia
ROFLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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This is Marv's conclusion about the game at lylo/mylo:
On March 16 2013 23:48 marvellosity wrote:ok, DP. Here's why you're mafia. Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey marv. I am not going to get through everything I need to and as it's 4am I am rather tired. Could you be a dear and link me your case on foolishness and the main rebuttal? Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:56 DarthPunk wrote:
That was really easy once I found the relevant posts.
##Vote: Foolishness Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 23:44 DarthPunk wrote:
You and I both know that things changed after foolishness flipped green. especially after all that shit flinging between you two. You may think that your filter and alignment is easy to read but it really isn't. that fight with foolishness was about as enlightening as a quagmire.
You will do what you want. And that is fine. But I request a case on who you think is mafia to make things easier.
Like it or not the reality is that you are as much of a question mark as I am to several people.
you have to be realistic.
bed time.
On March 16 2013 23:49 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: DarthPunk
And people think this guy is town?
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On March 16 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote:
I'll try to let this basically be my last post and I don't mind calling you all bad, so beware. I think the game's lost anyway but you can keep humping marv's leg before he uses it to kick you under a bus (town and mafia alike)
It's a realistic scenario mafia goes all-in on this one, they just need a mislynch to win the game. Corazon was town and even if you don't think so you should stick to worst-case scenario to make your decisions in.
With this, yamato looks somewhat better. I'd have expected him to hard-defend marv all the way as scum since it would have been pretty easy.
I still don't believe he's town however simply for his play but if he's bussing his teammate I'm fine with it, he's going to find some reason to change his mind anyway in case town goes the wrong road again.
We had 2 fake roleclaims from marv with this (Cop and medic)
Scum preferred to kill village idiot dandel instead of simply doublestacking marv? Take your pick.
Marv said we lynch him at lylo? We lynch him at lylo. By his own words. If he doesn't stick to them it's just another lie.
Prplhz is likely marv's scumbuddy cause marv poked at his scumslip (in a not very damning way) and then dropped going after it when prplhz claimed to have read it somewhere. somefuckingwhere. Day2 marv refused to comment on both this and his acrofales read and still doesn't pay attention to acrofales. So I think these guys are connected by alignment. It's not my only point but we should go into that later.
Stutters has to claim where his sleeper cell came from. Who contacted him, cause that guy (the "mason") is likely scum, might also just be bad but have to evaluate first. However contacting stutters shows it was some kind of guy who tried to talk the weak of spirit into doing bad things. Reveal the snake.
I'm catching up now but this isn't how this works vivax. He chose me, hasn't revealed himself and hasn't sent me a second message. The only thing I haven't posted in the thread about it is the first message because I already said what it said. "GOOD PLAN. AGREED. VOTE XFIRE."
If someone else was added to the cell they should claim it and if they don't the leader should message me in the night with who it was (assuming we make it there).
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On March 17 2013 04:09 yamato77 wrote:This is marv's one and only response to my case: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
yamato, literally nothing in that case shows I'm mafia ROFLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
that's because that's all it deserved
half the case is saying i'm too indecisive
the rest of the case is saying i'm too tunnelled (ergo decisive)
nothing explaining why any of it makes me mafia...
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Because town Marv isn't a fucking wimpy dumbass.
Come on.
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On March 17 2013 05:07 yamato77 wrote:
Because town Marv isn't a fucking wimpy dumbass.
Come on.
nor is mafia marv you weirdo.
being indecisive isn't wimpy, it's about not knowing what the best lynch is. It's really easy to be decisive when you're just making shit up you know.
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On March 17 2013 02:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
In all seriousness, we kill Crossfire (or DP) today, they flip mafia, it's still lylo tomorrow and i'm left alive. What then? This stinks. You're a more-than-solid mafia player. You know that. You enjoy that. But yet you are saying that you're town, going to finally start lynching mafia, and then they will leave you alive tonight? This isn't the marv that I know, who should have been assuming that every night from N1 he was going to be killed. I have tried to be the police. That hasn't worked. So let's try something else. austinmcc wright, thread lawyer. OATS - Have you ever played in a game with scummarv before? If so, which? If so, on a scale of -10 (Modconfirmed scum) to +10 (Modconfirmed townie) how did you read him? WHOLE THREAD - Was anyone roleblocked N1?
have you never seen a town-marv with his confidence knocked before? when I'm absolutely certain on something and I'm wrong (rare but it happens) then I need time to get my confidence back and reorientate.
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On March 17 2013 05:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:07 yamato77 wrote:
Because town Marv isn't a fucking wimpy dumbass.
Come on. nor is mafia marv you weirdo. being indecisive isn't wimpy, it's about not knowing what the best lynch is. It's really easy to be decisive when you're just making shit up you know.
I clearly showed that your decision process involved blatant sheeping of town's other veterans, all of which you subsequently killed.
Also, you're not screaming at me for being stupid for accusing you, SO YOU'RE DEFINITELY MAFIA THIS TIME.
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On March 17 2013 05:23 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:14 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 05:07 yamato77 wrote:
Because town Marv isn't a fucking wimpy dumbass.
Come on. nor is mafia marv you weirdo. being indecisive isn't wimpy, it's about not knowing what the best lynch is. It's really easy to be decisive when you're just making shit up you know. I clearly showed that your decision process involved blatant sheeping of town's other veterans, all of which you subsequently killed. Also, you're not screaming at me for being stupid for accusing you, SO YOU'RE DEFINITELY MAFIA THIS TIME.
where was blatant sheeping of other town's veterans? i asked their opinions, yes...
since when is seeking the opinion of a strong player I believe to be town a mafia-tell?
anyway i'm not doing the whole screaming thing since kita came in and did his "i'm not your mom" thing. you'll have to accept this instead.
until you come up with something which remotely indicates i'm mafia, there's no point talking about your case. The strongest and best point that I'm mafia is that I tried to lynch a townie day 2. You either accept my push was genuine or you don't. All that other nonsense that's in your case says nothing about anything.
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On March 17 2013 05:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On March 17 2013 05:14 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 05:07 yamato77 wrote:
Because town Marv isn't a fucking wimpy dumbass.
Come on. nor is mafia marv you weirdo. being indecisive isn't wimpy, it's about not knowing what the best lynch is. It's really easy to be decisive when you're just making shit up you know. I clearly showed that your decision process involved blatant sheeping of town's other veterans, all of which you subsequently killed. Also, you're not screaming at me for being stupid for accusing you, SO YOU'RE DEFINITELY MAFIA THIS TIME. where was blatant sheeping of other town's veterans? i asked their opinions, yes... since when is seeking the opinion of a strong player I believe to be town a mafia-tell? anyway i'm not doing the whole screaming thing since kita came in and did his "i'm not your mom" thing. you'll have to accept this instead. until you come up with something which remotely indicates i'm mafia, there's no point talking about your case. The strongest and best point that I'm mafia is that I tried to lynch a townie day 2. You either accept my push was genuine or you don't. All that other nonsense that's in your case says nothing about anything.
It says you have no fucking balls, no real reads.
Where in my case do you give a conclusive opinion about someone's alignment not named Foolishness? Where do you continue pushing them, as town Marv would do? Town Marv is not a fucking wimpy baby who appeals to the opinion of confirmed townies. Town Marv is actively scumhunting and pushes real lynches.
You have done none of that. You're not even doing it today. Your DP push is pathetic, limp-wristed. This is not town marvellosity.
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