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On March 16 2013 18:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
MARV WHERE ARE YOU MARV.
Mocsta, you are under the burden of having to prove yamato scum, I dont have to prove him as town.
How many times have you seen someone 'waste' their confirmed townie status? I have done it.
That isnt the basis for a scumread.
When is the last time you read his filter?
If you didnt notice, my key target is Vivax.
I am saying Yamato needs scrutiny and so does DP.
(1) My focus is Vivax.. what have you say about that?
(2) In regards to what you said with Yam.. Im saying you vehemently defending yam, and not even bothering to provide a counter for against the solid points already raised. This is remidning me of Corazon.. so many never botehred to refute my points or marvs or anyone else hunting corazon.. saying what you just said... yet now.. *YOU* are the one who is adamant corazon is scum.
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Just saw the flips... wow.
My world has come tumbling down around me because if Foolishness is town then he's become really, really bad at it and that's pretty soul crushing. Back a bit later.
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Marv, you claimed a parity check on Ver-Foolish. What does that say now.
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On March 16 2013 18:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
MARV WHERE ARE YOU MARV.
Mocsta, you are under the burden of having to prove yamato scum, I dont have to prove him as town.
How many times have you seen someone 'waste' their confirmed townie status? I have done it.
That isnt the basis for a scumread.
When is the last time you read his filter?
If you didnt notice, my key target is Vivax. I am saying Yamato needs scrutiny and so does DP. (1) My focus is Vivax.. what have you say about that? (2) In regards to what you said with Yam.. Im saying you vehemently defending yam, and not even bothering to provide a counter for against the solid points already raised. This is remidning me of Corazon.. so many never botehred to refute my points or marvs or anyone else hunting corazon.. saying what you just said... yet now.. *YOU* are the one who is adamant corazon is scum.
Where are the solid points? Inactivity isnt one because yamato has been active.
The shot wasnt one cause its townie.
I think Vivax is scum. I dont see your point.
Isnt it obvious?
Marv, when you finish rebuilding your world, what is the basis for your Vivax read?
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Also, disregarding marvs check which I'm not fully sure I trust in lylo. I think crossfire is the safest lynch.
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On March 16 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
The shot wasnt one cause its townie.
I dont think it is anymore.
And I already gave my reasoning why, but will summarise it for you
The shot by itself, is definitely a townie-type action..
That doesnt make him town... the issue is akin to Vivax in mafia LX.. he fake claimed vig and everyone wouldnt vote him. After PROVING the claim was fake, i still had to claim my blue role to get everyone board.
Now Yamato has been controversial; some have given town reads, some have given scum reads.. but most of the town reads were based on the "anonymous vig action".. not his actual play.
We into Day 3; and I cant give yamato a free ride just because he did a "townie-type action".. he needs to be town cos of actual play.. the inactivity isnt helping him; but it isnt an excuse for low quality posts either. He clearly has the time to make 1 liner quips; so why not detailed analysis?
And seroiously dude, stop asking about for a case. I am trying to generate discussion here, not seal a vote.
We cant afford a mislynch today, and I think jumping in with a case is the worse thing we can do. All it is going to do is flare up emotions; when we need logic and reasoned play.
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On March 16 2013 19:34 risk.nuke wrote:
Also, disregarding marvs check which I'm not fully sure I trust in lylo. I think crossfire is the safest lynch.
I dunno if your roleplaying or not.. but now would be the time to expand.
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So who do you want to lynch TODAY?
I assume yamato isnt on the table right?
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Foolishness isn't flipped in the OP, can you update that?
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Doing this for my own benefit, mostly. Consolidating my thoughts about peoples' play OBJECTIVELY, WITHOUT FLIP ASSOCIATIONS, because I can't rely on them.
Vivax - Town "meta" is to be spammy and dumb as he is this game, but it's ridiculous that he's continued to be confirmed against me the whole game. Perhaps it is possible he is town and this stupid, even likely. It's always difficult to discern his alignment, but if Foolish is actually town then he looks considerably better, because I look like scum to even the best TL town player in history.
Crossfire99 - Useless and lurky. Objectively, the dude is probably mafia. No reason for me to think he's town whatsoever.
wherebugsgo as Chezinu, lynched day one - third party, lynch was completely uninformative.
risk.nuke - shows some mild curiosity at times, but is overall uninvolved in this mess of a game. I don't see any emotion in that filter at all. Compare to his posting in Fruity to accurately read his alignment
HiroPro - maintains suspicions on lynchbait stutters throughout the game, but again is another player who is overall quite uninvolved and MIGHT be mafia. the more I look at this list, the more I see there's a lot of these.
prplhz - as far as meta is concerned, his overall trollish and snipey attitude leads me to believe he might be mafia. As town in Nomination, he did actually try and seem involved. I think he's likely scum, given his low profile. With zero pressure, he has produced less than nothing, which is absurd.
marvellosity - the absolute hardest player for me to read this game, especially without involving flips. While he seems emotionally involved, he was DEAD FUCKING WRONG, and spammed away 30+ pages of filter being wrong. Aside from his tunnel of Foolish, I don't know anything about what this dude thinks of the game. I think there is a chance he is mafia, simply because oif how hard he tunneled and how much he refused to get off it. Lynching marv is difficult business, though, so I don't know what to say there.
VisceraEyes as prplhz, killed night one - had similar reads to mine at death, and was wrong on quite a few. Will reread to see if there's stuff he noticed that I missed.
Intact replaced by Dandel Ion - dead but largely lurky anyway. role usage would have been nice to know. check filter for crumbs
austinmcc - lots of lengthy analyses, and has played the most pro-town of anyone in the game. no reason to suspect him.
BloodyC0bbler as RebirthOfLegend, killed night one - suspected me, and what else? will have to review.
Kurumi as wherebugsgo, killed day one - aksjdfaslfjkdghjkdsfgLSKJDGHFUYGASDFGKAHDSFG
Oatsmaster - blates town. no fucking way he's mafia and still posting
Stutters695 - who the fuck knows. probably town, given past games.
strongandbig - same as VE. Similar reads to mine, and was wrong. will review
slOosh - tunneled me for a long time, which is not good. will review and compare to nomination
Foolishness - if the flips is true, I might have to consider killing marv. ugh.
Mocsta - might be mafia, due to his very low involvement. however, he is still playing the game, so i can't just nail him yet
iamperfection - similar to dandel, IMO.
Ver replaced by DarthPunk - one case is on lynchbait. ugh. fuck replacements.
Acrofales - Probably town. right about Cora and had his doubts about Foolish, yet still consented to killing him. mafia have no reason to change their opinion like that on a town player.
cDgCorazon as Palmar, lynched day two - DEATH MILLER, because his tunnel of me was not in line with town Corazon rationality.
Promethelax - me and him think the fucking same. thinks marv is town, so we'll see.
yamato77 - peeps be wanting to lynch me for my lazy play this game, I understand. I HATE HUGE GAMES.
supersoft as syllogism, killed night one - came around to scum Fool/town me/town marv. another point in the marv = town column
All in all, there are a few people posting a lot and a lot posting almost nothing. Something tells me there is 1 or two active scum at most and the rest lurkers. If I had to guess:
HIRO/PRPLHZ/CROSS
AND...
Either Marv or Vivax, but probably marv at this point.
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Ok. Stutters is not lynchbait. He is actually doing a really good job of flying under the radar and not getting himself into arguments.
Lynchbait do obviously stupid stuff which scum try and lynch them for. Things like Yamato's Vig shot would be lynch bait IMO. Stutters does not. He does what he needs to to not be looked at but doesn't actually contribute much.
A good comparison would be Djodref from Mario Mini. He looked to be actively contributing, was doing enough to be called town but was actually contributing nothing and was so fucused on one small thing the whole time hid it really well.
Also I don;t care about the sleeper cell thing. That could actually be a genuine power or not. A townie could have chosen him and he just told the truth or not. That is not integral to my case. The case is that stutters has done nothing but has done it so well that he is successfully flying under the radar.
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Stutters always does nothing, dude.
ALWAYS.
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On March 16 2013 19:23 risk.nuke wrote:
Marv, you claimed a parity check on Ver-Foolish. What does that say now.
just for balance reasons alone DP has to be mafia but i don't think i'm gonna get town to lynch on that
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On March 16 2013 20:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 19:23 risk.nuke wrote:
Marv, you claimed a parity check on Ver-Foolish. What does that say now. just for balance reasons alone DP has to be mafia but i don't think i'm gonna get town to lynch on that
GTFO. seriously.
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The way that the "Vet's" have played vet balance is a joke and complete bollocks besides.
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On March 16 2013 20:07 yamato77 wrote:
Stutters always does nothing, dude.
ALWAYS.
Yeha when stutters actually does nothing he get's modkilled for inactivity. Stutters isn't doing nothing. He is flying under the radar. that is doing something.
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On March 16 2013 20:13 DarthPunk wrote:
The way that the "Vet's" have played vet balance is a joke and complete bollocks besides.
find me a normal game ever that doesn't have one or two vets on the scumteam and then tell me it's bollocks
thanks
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by 'normal' i meant normal-sized
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On March 16 2013 20:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 20:13 DarthPunk wrote:
The way that the "Vet's" have played vet balance is a joke and complete bollocks besides. find me a normal game ever that doesn't have one or two vets on the scumteam and then tell me it's bollocks thanks
So Ver is the only 'vet' other than foolishness? everyone knows you are at least as good as foolishness/ver ever was and there are lots of other very very good players in the game.
Also I KNOW it's bollocks because I KNOW the game was balanced like that.
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