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Or no.
I refuse to believe that marv with a 35 page filter is scum.
Also marv doesnt play scum like this, its extremely messy and marv is getting into stupid fights everywhere.
Marv no scum.
You however, are.
Why do you think you are the only one that saw through marv's 'deception' when there are so many vets saying that Marv is town.
You like supersoft, why do you not agree with him? Or even converse on why he thinks that marv is town?
You have been so fixed on the idea that Foolishness is town throughout the whole game why??
What is townie in Foolishness's play and scummy in Marv's?
Especially with marv's response to foolishness' gigantic post, and meta by hiro saying that foolish only does stuff like that in his scum games?
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Oats,what do you make of acrofales, yamato, darth and prplhz?
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Answer my questions..
Yamato is town
Prp is town
not sure about acro and Darth, but Im more town on Darth than Acro at this point of time from pure memory
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Hm.
Maybe scum has a blanket death-miller thing activated by Cora's lynch or something?
Or maybe Foolish was town, and we really are fucked.
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Wow... that was not a good turn of events for us. we can't afford to mislynch today and all of us need to make a strong effort to remove emotions from our play today.
These are my thoughts on 2 key items:
(1) Corazon announcement
Based on the # of NK.. I am going to have to go against my better judgment and say Corazon was town.
Im not going to WIFOM into whether Stutters was bullshitting with the Sleeper Cell; but I cant even being to believe how we get to 5KP without 3 from Mafia.
5 mafia exist full stop as per the OP; and we need to move and close this matter.
(2) Foolishness flip
I'm actually still shocked he flipped town, and Im also surprised people acting as if it was expected.
From Foolishness death I get 3 scum reads I think are worth the discussion focus today
(a) Vivax: This guy was adamant Foolishness was town with an authority that went beyond an educated guess. When all odds were stacked against Foolishness; this guy kept coming in to shit up the thread and proclaim his innocence.
Further, this guy quickly changed his town tune on Corazon when he flipped, trying to prove to the thread how he was one of the first to chase Corazon as SCUM.
(b) Yamato77: What has made this guy town for me was the "anonymous vig" on Day1. That has been my major rational all game. Since that shot: his thread contributions have been minor; and his reputation for "super-confident tunneled read: YOU ARE SCUM!" is lacking. Foolishness was adamant Yamato77 was scum; and I think he is worth scrutinizing today.
Further, esssentially Yamato first action is to blame Foolishness town flip on "the death framer" by "not trusting the flip". Which is odd; because as proven via the 5KP, the death frame was active for 12hrs and is the OP is trustworthy.
(c) Ver/Darth Punk: We still have the WIFOM of the parity check authenticity; and that DP keeps saying he wants to read the thread, but comes in to comment on-going issues. The Stutters case reads OK at first glance.. but I have a major issue with it:
(i) There is no stance/reference on the sleeper cell. I cant see scum making a story up like that just to feign a NK as a vig hit. Especially someone as thread non-existent as Stutters
This is concerning because if you are going to build a case on someone to be a meaningful contribution; that you take into account the entire filter to pass judgement.
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Well that's a mafia claim if I've ever seen one.
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Alright we're in a tough spot. Good news is we have plenty of information to go on. I just checked in to watch flips but I'll be back in a few hours and solve this.
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On March 16 2013 17:10 yamato77 wrote:
Well that's a mafia claim if I've ever seen one.
Good to know you have the time to add your useless 1 sentence posts when town is in the shit.
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You cant find the time to provide actual analysis of anything important.
All of us are busy; fuck, a lot of us are busy & playing Heart of the Swarm. But, go on and keep up the piss-poor attitude.
<sarcasm>Cos we all know thats how town Yamato loves to play </sarcasm>
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On March 16 2013 17:08 Mocsta wrote:
Im not going to WIFOM into whether Stutters was bullshitting with the Sleeper Cell; but I cant even being to believe how we get to 5KP without 3 from Mafia.
5 mafia exist full stop as per the OP; and we need to move and close this matter.
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1. Do you not know that in personality 1, the OP was also adjusted in terms of the death framer?
2. How is the fuck do you not have a conclusion on whether Marv is scum or not?
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On March 16 2013 17:39 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:08 Mocsta wrote:
Im not going to WIFOM into whether Stutters was bullshitting with the Sleeper Cell; but I cant even being to believe how we get to 5KP without 3 from Mafia.
5 mafia exist full stop as per the OP; and we need to move and close this matter. 1. Do you not know that in personality 1, the OP was also adjusted in terms of the death framer? 2. How is the fuck do you not have a conclusion on whether Marv is scum or not?
(1) I think the Massive KP indicates 3KP.from mafia.
Fact is: 5KP; all on town.. and only 2KP contributed from mafia isnt adding up for me.. so yeah, I htink death framer role was tweaked as a 12hr counter
I dont want to enter WIFOM battles its not going to help us nail scum.
+ Regardless of whether death framer role was tweaked or not... Vivax interactions after the Corazon flip are *VERY* peculiar.
(2) I didnt think it was necessary to discuss marv this cycle. I dont think Marv is scum. I have given my reasons earlier in the thread and still stand by them; in short, he has been trying to figure out this game. TRANSPARENTLY.
Look, has marv been right this game? the flips say no.. .BUT.. since when does being wrong = scum..
My only gripe with Marv is more WIFOM related.
How the fuck with with 5KP, is he still alive.. *THAT* i dont get.
Its not enough doubt to make me reconsider my town read on him though. And I dont think its a topic worth discussing this cycle.
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My motivation to play this game is pretty low.
I'm not sure what's going on right now, or what to trust.
I don't like this Death Miller even being in the game at all, it makes me mistrust a lot of things I would rather just trust.
maybe tomorrow I'll put in some effort.
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You are already WIFOMing :/
Especially by making conclusions about the 5KP.
Its a themed game, dont wifom.
Doesnt this foolishness flip force you to rethink your reads?
Like marv is rarely wrong, and when he is wrong, its mostly about coinflippy players, not the players of foolishness caliber.
Assuming there was 1 KP last night, does your read on yamato change?
How does Foolishness pushing yamato as scum, make him scum?
Also, what do you say against the fact that town players are more likely to be impulsive than scum players cause they dont care about the drawbacks?
(i) There is no stance/reference on the sleeper cell. I cant see scum making a story up like that just to feign a NK as a vig hit. Especially someone as thread non-existent as Stutters
This is blatantly wrong. Stutters was chosen as part of the cell, and thus, that should be discounted for the MAKES NO SENSE TO FAKE A VIG HIT, because he didnt have a role with extra kp
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On March 16 2013 18:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are already WIFOMing :/
and you arent?
Especially by making conclusions about the 5KP.
Its a themed game, dont wifom.
We are all working off conjecture (unless you are scum)
Doesnt this foolishness flip force you to rethink your reads?
Yeah, i didnt have vivax as a scum read before.. but i was really surprised when reading his reactions over corazon flip.
Tying that in with the insistence that Foolishness was town (when what marv produced looked pretty concrete) well...
Like marv is rarely wrong, and when he is wrong, its mostly about coinflippy players, not the players of foolishness caliber.
Yes, that is true. But i stand by wrong !=scum... if marv was wrong & didnt have a filter that actively walked people through his weads.. than yeah, i would go. thats gotta be scum.
But fuckn 35 page filter, and reads that have been communicated in multiple ways.. i dont see scum going to that effort.
Assuming there was 1 KP last night, does your read on yamato change?
I wont answer this, because You asked me not to bother with WIFOM....
How does Foolishness pushing yamato as scum, make him scum?
My issue with Yamato stems beyond the foolishness push. Its as I wrote. I had one reason for why yamato was town. Fact is.. hes not playing the game like he is known for as town. Look at his last post; setting himself up not to bother contributing for half a day, when we at a pivotal point in the game. Why is it, guys like you and me you coming in here asking questions, and hes trying to fuck off? The whole sitaution reminds me of Vivax fake-claiming vig in Mafia LX. So many town refused to vote him based on that action; until I proved the NK logically didnt support a vig claim.
Also, what do you say against the fact that town players are more likely to be impulsive than scum players cause they dont care about the drawbacks? I think tells like this are periodical. its been documented, you cant rely on scum having the same tells over and over again, otherwise they will get caught instantly. so i think the point is moot and you have to look at players holistically... I barely know prplhz but I cant see him being an impulsive scum player, but I can see Vivax being impulsive.
(i) There is no stance/reference on the sleeper cell. I cant see scum making a story up like that just to feign a NK as a vig hit. Especially someone as thread non-existent as Stutters
This is blatantly wrong. Stutters was chosen as part of the cell, and thus, that should be discounted for the MAKES NO SENSE TO FAKE A VIG HIT, because he didnt have a role with extra kp Im not sure what you are actually saying here? Do you think Stutters is scum, fake-claiming a sleeper cell; or town, honest-claiming a sleeper cell?
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You won't get me lynched, even if you try.
I'm attempting to figure the game out, and what I need to do now is wait and see what other people do in reaction to the night post.
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Im not sure what you are actually saying here? Do you think Stutters is scum, fake-claiming a sleeper cell; or town, honest-claiming a sleeper cell?
Im saying that his involvement in the sleeper cell has no relation to his alignment. That is absolutely fact.
My issue with Yamato stems beyond the foolishness push. Its as I wrote. I had one reason for why yamato was town. Fact is.. hes not playing the game like he is known for as town. Look at his last post; setting himself up not to bother contributing for half a day, when we at a pivotal point in the game. Why is it, guys like you and me you coming in here asking questions, and hes trying to fuck off? The whole sitaution reminds me of Vivax fake-claiming vig in Mafia LX. So many town refused to vote him based on that action; until I proved the NK logically didnt support a vig claim.
How is yamato's inactivity proof that he is scum? That is your only argument right?
Lets ignore his shot, there are other things right?
I think that Cora is scum, that is the only WIFOM I am currently experiencing, putting out.
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(moc)Im not sure what you are actually saying here? Do you think Stutters is scum, fake-claiming a sleeper cell; or town, honest-claiming a sleeper cell? On March 16 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im saying that his involvement in the sleeper cell has no relation to his alignment. That is absolutely fact.
Dont see how that is fact, but whatever Oats. The point was originally DP comes out trying to make a "case" and then doesnt do his full homework. Curious, is it not?
(moc)My issue with Yamato stems beyond the foolishness push. Its as I wrote. I had one reason for why yamato was town. Fact is.. hes not playing the game like he is known for as town. Look at his last post; setting himself up not to bother contributing for half a day, when we at a pivotal point in the game. Why is it, guys like you and me you coming in here asking questions, and hes trying to fuck off? The whole sitaution reminds me of Vivax fake-claiming vig in Mafia LX. So many town refused to vote him based on that action; until I proved the NK logically didnt support a vig claim.
(oats)How is yamato's inactivity proof that he is scum? That is your only argument right?
Lets ignore his shot, there are other things right? yamato has been controversial all throughout the 170 pages of thread. I made it clear before, my reasoning for a town read was solelythe anonymous vig claim. Others have indicated reasoning to suggest otherwise (and not just inactivity)
The thing that keeps coming back to me is: with that type of town cred (for those that believed), I would expect yamato to be pushing a town agenda hard. Instead he makes claims like "im a proxy-marv let me pressure you".. but did anything meaningful come out of that? Cos i dont remember that being the case. What we get now is promises that he is solving the game by watching how people interact.. wheres the reads based on 170pages of game?
Why do you have such a hard town read on him? Surely its more than just the vig claim.
(oats)I think that Cora is scum, that is the only WIFOM I am currently experiencing, putting out.
You can think what you want. And I can think what I want.
I was chasing Corazon for a big duratino this game; so if someone is frustrated to say he is town, its me.
Fact is: with all the doubt on him, you cant even get a proper association read..b est thing we can do is treat him as a "3rd party flip' and move on to finding scum, instead of debating whether it is true or not.
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On March 16 2013 17:13 risk.nuke wrote:
Alright we're in a tough spot. Good news is we have plenty of information to go on. I just checked in to watch flips but I'll be back in a few hours and solve this.
Sorry, something came up. I need to travel today. Hopefully I'll have internet on the train and can post there. Otherwise I'll have to swoop in tomorrow evening and save the day. Unless you're doing fine by yourselves.
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It's painfully fucking obvious that mafia are doing a very good job hiding this game, so naturally I have a more difficult time ascertaining town and mafia reads.
I'm trying to find a new bearing on this game, because my previous one was completely fucking annihilated with the Foolish flip.
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MARV WHERE ARE YOU MARV.
Mocsta, you are under the burden of having to prove yamato scum, I dont have to prove him as town.
How many times have you seen someone 'waste' their confirmed townie status? I have done it.
That isnt the basis for a scumread.
When is the last time you read his filter?
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On March 16 2013 18:42 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:13 risk.nuke wrote:
Alright we're in a tough spot. Good news is we have plenty of information to go on. I just checked in to watch flips but I'll be back in a few hours and solve this. Sorry, something came up. I need to travel today. Hopefully I'll have internet on the train and can post there. Otherwise I'll have to swoop in tomorrow evening and save the day. Unless you're doing fine by yourselves.
Dont you worry yam. im fair in treatment.
THis is bullshit and moving up my scum-o-meter very quickly.
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