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On March 16 2013 04:59 austinmcc wrote:And the check is important, and maybe overblown here, because this feels true. It's one of the few things that makes me go "hmmmm" in iamp's filter, the other stuff is often just so cursory.
so you on his posts you stumble
say he is too humble
no opinions of his own
his thoughts are not known
does this make you "number one scum" mumble?
that was the worst
of my rhyming verse
I'm sorry, my bad
I had to reach, a tad
I mean: is he scum first?
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imp please don't respond
to austin's check-based red thong
who is your scum
mr. evil number one
the rest of austin's points are so blonde.
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On March 16 2013 04:46 austinmcc wrote:
In case that quotes bit was unclear, here's what I'm getting at.
iamp N1 has both Foolishness and Ver in his scum list
marv D2 comes back with a parity check on those two as different
iamp strongly believes marv to be town
iamp continues to push both Foolishness AND Ver. He does not explain why he does not trust the check.
That's fine, in and of itself. There were a lot of comments in the thread about how the check was telegraphed, and so there could be a frame or a rb. But we know marv wasn't roleblocked (PARANOIA PARANOIA: IF HE'S TOWN (WHICH HE PROBABLY IS)). And if the checks came back different, that means a frame doesn't explain both being scum.
If both were TOWN, you could frame one, have the parity check come back different, and lynch them BOTH. Get rid of 1 of 2 big scary players that you would not want to face as scum.
But if both were SCUM, you can't frame them to make the parity check come back different. You'd need a cover ability, or a framer that specifically can do both, which MIGHT be the case. Or a gf, which MIGHT be the case.
iamp just jumps into wanting to lynch BOTH players though. Despite the parity check, despite a roleblock not occurring, despite a regular frame + the check indicating that both are actually TOWN. So he's relying on one of them being a gf or one of them being covered, but nobody is really discussing those powers and he doesn't see fit to mention. He just carries his night scum reads over to day, without taking into account a parity check that a big town read got back.
Scum. Dude scum.
what are you talking about? why are you assuming mafia can't frame one of their own?
the fact is i broadcasted my parity check and mafia did not roleblock me. it's a fairly safe assumption that they *could* have either roleblocked me or fucked with the results.
you're putting way too much stock in this.
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Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment.
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I find it very highly likely iamp is town.
This is a wrong road you're going down, austin.
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On March 16 2013 05:08 Promethelax wrote:
imp please don't respond
to austin's check-based red thong
who is your scum
mr. evil number one
the rest of austin's points are so blonde.
I think I have said fool for a gazillion times
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On March 16 2013 05:14 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:08 Promethelax wrote:
imp please don't respond
to austin's check-based red thong
who is your scum
mr. evil number one
the rest of austin's points are so blonde. I think I have said fool for a gazillion times
You know that I want more
so please, don't be a bore
you know what I want
your arrogance do not flaunt
give me your scums and the reasons, the lore.
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On March 16 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment.
Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire?
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On March 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment. Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire? Eh? You disagree?
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Town cross post count usually does seem really similar to mine. His complete lack of any content is what makes him scum, he's just more involved as town.
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On March 16 2013 05:19 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 16 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment. Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire? Eh? You disagree?
Have you read WLIAA?
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On March 16 2013 05:21 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:19 austinmcc wrote:On March 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 16 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment. Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire? Eh? You disagree? Have you read WLIAA?
given a short while ago I was using 3 different accounts on this forum and only derped once, my record this game has been awful
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Like in PU crossfire was gone for what felt like half the game. I feel like I remember him being somewhat absent in a newbie I played with him, but he posted more substantially when he was there.
I know he's been silly-lurky in a game I played with him as mafia, but he's always felt lurky to me in town games as well.
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No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games.
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On March 16 2013 05:24 austinmcc wrote:
No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games.
Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts.
Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket.
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On March 16 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:24 austinmcc wrote:
No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games. Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts. Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket.
has he played that well
in another shell?
that game was his best
so nows the real test
can he, in another game, be swell?
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On March 16 2013 04:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 04:22 slOosh wrote:On March 16 2013 04:13 prplhz wrote:
it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly. So what's your conclusion? Are we scum? why don't you, I don't know, read the two posts I made about Foolish, read his response, read the various things about Corazon - i.e. his blatant survival instinct, his awful tunnel, his refusal to comment on Foolishness, his 100% surety that he was going to die when the rest of the thread had no idea if Foolishness was telling the truth. Go back and do those things, and tell me what's happening in this game.
I think ... I figured out why I'm so bad ... the themed games screw with me. Nomination, PYPower, Liar Game ... all of it fits together... anyways,
Yea so I shut up and did some serious reading. It seems like different play fueled my paranoia of you into a scummy interpretation. For instance, upon rereading you are right that cora's behavior around lynch is strange, but I would say that it is knowing that he has the power to control the lynch but choosing to instead martyr that gives himself away, not the he knew he was gonna die (probably because I've seen plenty of townies pull this "kill me so with my flip you realize player X is scum", which it seemed like what he was doing).
Upon reading your two big posts I agree with and it was the kind of thing I was initially looking for when Foolishness initially made the case. When you picked out the kill order, I really believed that is a null point, because I saw a reason why I would want scum yamato flip first, and I think supersoft also said he wanted to flip yamato first (but didn't explain until later I think). What saw as scummy on review is that he went yamato => crossfire => marv, not yamato => marv => crossfire, because there would be no point in putting crossfire before marv. Again, same conclusion but using different information.
I apologize the undue stress placed upon you marv. It's just the misfortune of having a new category of player I call themedtownslOosh which seems to play pretty poorly. Yea. Foolishness scum. My bad. If I'm still unreadable and you still want to lynch me that's totally understandable. In the meantime I'm just gonna have to build my reads from base up, unless you want me to focus on something neutral / less talked about to see if we come to the same conclusions.
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I'd just like your best case on who you want to lynch tomorrow whose name is not Foolishness.
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On March 16 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:24 austinmcc wrote:
No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games. Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts. Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket.
I was about to say that PU is not good comparison material, because he was confirmed town due to mason, so he could pretty much get away with murder.
In MTG2 I pegged him as scum ridiculously easily. So he has either improved his game, or he's town. On D1 he looked like scum, but on D2 he had some insightful stuff, mainly about the nukes.
Lets kill the scum we know before worrying about their partners. Associations should help... and the Cora associations are untrustworthy. I tried working from the assumption that Cora is town, but I just tie myself into wifom knots where I have conflicting beliefs about Foolishness and the use of the death miller thing. The whole exercise seems pointless and I end up agreeing that we should just ignore the whole flip and work from our reads without Cora associations, at least for now.
Kill Foolishness. Work from there.
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