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On March 16 2013 03:05 austinmcc wrote:
I am curious about all this sleeper cell stuff, but probably busy with work for a few hours. Too much time on this game this week.
stutters, the message you received says it's a one-shot deal? Does it say anything about whether you remain in the cell afterward?
I know I've just been questioning him on this myself, but I'd like to postpone this discussion to Day.
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Yeah, most of the answers we need will come at resolution. A sleeper cell that adds members is just not something I like hearing about.
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On March 16 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh, think about it.
What use is a role that conceals alignment 12 hours after death only? On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 19:48 Curu wrote:
Pandain/Palmar were obvious lynches if bum had flipped correctly but the Framer fucked up everything from that trail too.
Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game [12 hours] in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass.
Scaling back to 12 hours is a sensible and possible nerf. Hinting that it may be false while the OP remains true and the hosts both confirming multiple times it is true is not a sensible nerf.
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On March 16 2013 03:21 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh, think about it.
What use is a role that conceals alignment 12 hours after death only? Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote:On August 23 2011 19:48 Curu wrote:
Pandain/Palmar were obvious lynches if bum had flipped correctly but the Framer fucked up everything from that trail too.
Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game [12 hours] in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass. Scaling back to 12 hours is a sensible and possible nerf. Hinting that it may be false while the OP remains true and the hosts both confirming multiple times it is true is not a sensible nerf.
What is your problem with Marv's explanation?
The other game the OP was changed too.
What are the hosts supposed to say if it was a 'real' death framer as you seem to think that it isnt?
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On March 16 2013 03:21 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh, think about it.
What use is a role that conceals alignment 12 hours after death only? Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote:On August 23 2011 19:48 Curu wrote:
Pandain/Palmar were obvious lynches if bum had flipped correctly but the Framer fucked up everything from that trail too.
Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game [12 hours] in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass. Scaling back to 12 hours is a sensible and possible nerf. Hinting that it may be false while the OP remains true and the hosts both confirming multiple times it is true is not a sensible nerf.
What else would the hosts do? Tell us it isn't true? THINK slOosh.
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MY VOTE IS CHANGED TO FOOLISH, PLEASE DO THE SAME GUY WHO ADDED ME
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On March 16 2013 03:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 03:21 slOosh wrote:On March 16 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh, think about it.
What use is a role that conceals alignment 12 hours after death only? On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote:On August 23 2011 19:48 Curu wrote:
Pandain/Palmar were obvious lynches if bum had flipped correctly but the Framer fucked up everything from that trail too.
Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game [12 hours] in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass. Scaling back to 12 hours is a sensible and possible nerf. Hinting that it may be false while the OP remains true and the hosts both confirming multiple times it is true is not a sensible nerf. What is your problem with Marv's explanation? The other game the OP was changed too. What are the hosts supposed to say if it was a 'real' death framer as you seem to think that it isnt?
In personality 1, the frame wasn't revealed until the end of the game. All the vets agreed that it was too powerful a role.
Marv's interpretation of the role.
You may have the hosts announce and modify OP to reflect that a person is of a different alignment 12 hours after their death. My interpretation of the role
You may frame someone's death so they flip the alignment of your choosing. In 12 hours a message will be released revealing the frame
Marv's interpretation is possible, but requires a rock hard conviction that corazon was scum, and that his death was planned, and that a scum cora - foolish team, when they could have last minute lynched anyone of their choosing (and get more night KP and use up the next day's lynch), instead chose to lynch cora and use this ability. And the hosts have to lie until endgame, and to properly catch it we would have had to ask the hosts of his alignment in the 12 hour window.
I find it highly more likely that my explanation is the true one (primarily based on the hosts lying issue).
It could be that I'm wrong - but do you think my reasoning itself is unsound?
If not, should I be called scum for holding a different perspective?
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Ok if your explanation is true.
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE POINT?
There is a point to the other way, because we may still assume that there are 5 mafia alive and that cora flipped town.
There is no point to conceal role for 12 hours only.
Its not a nerf, it makes it USELESS.
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i think that kita was vague so that we would never know for sure what actually happened. that's a decent spin on a hidden flip and it's not as OP and annoying as a straight up wrong flip. with everything that's happened i don't really see why we should trust either the town or the scum flip so i'm just going to go with what i believed before all these shenanigans - cora was scum.
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On March 16 2013 03:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok if your explanation is true.
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE POINT?
There is a point to the other way, because we may still assume that there are 5 mafia alive and that cora flipped town.
There is no point to conceal role for 12 hours only.
Its not a nerf, it makes it USELESS.
If it just covers up a flip for 12 hours, the point is THIS. All this discussion. We're continuing to discuss what some power MIGHT have been, instead of actually scumhunting.
It's not fantastically useFUL, but it's been more than useless, and if we don't scumhunt it continues to get more and more useful.
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On March 16 2013 03:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok if your explanation is true.
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE POINT?
There is a point to the other way, because we may still assume that there are 5 mafia alive and that cora flipped town.
There is no point to conceal role for 12 hours only.
Its not a nerf, it makes it USELESS.
I think you have it mixed up. I think that cora is town and assume that 5 mafia are alive. Marv thinks the opposite.
12 hours of information denial is pretty strong. And it's better than information denial, it's misinformation.
If you don't think that working off misinformation is not that big of a deal for town, I don't know how to ... yea I don't know.
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On March 16 2013 03:54 prplhz wrote:
i think that kita was vague so that we would never know for sure what actually happened. that's a decent spin on a hidden flip and it's not as OP and annoying as a straight up wrong flip. with everything that's happened i don't really see why we should trust either the town or the scum flip so i'm just going to go with what i believed before all these shenanigans - cora was scum.
On March 16 2013 00:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 00:11 Vivax wrote:
Does the OP and the mafia numbers reflect the true alignment now? Yes
On February 25 2013 08:38 kitaman27 wrote:22. cDgCorazon as Palmar, lynched day twoThere are 5/5Mafia RemainingThe current mafia kp is 3 (5/2 rounded up)
How is that vague?
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On March 16 2013 03:54 prplhz wrote:
i think that kita was vague so that we would never know for sure what actually happened. that's a decent spin on a hidden flip and it's not as OP and annoying as a straight up wrong flip. with everything that's happened i don't really see why we should trust either the town or the scum flip so i'm just going to go with what i believed before all these shenanigans - cora was scum.
yeah i like this attitude
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On March 16 2013 04:06 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 03:54 prplhz wrote:
i think that kita was vague so that we would never know for sure what actually happened. that's a decent spin on a hidden flip and it's not as OP and annoying as a straight up wrong flip. with everything that's happened i don't really see why we should trust either the town or the scum flip so i'm just going to go with what i believed before all these shenanigans - cora was scum. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 00:17 kitaman27 wrote:On March 16 2013 00:11 Vivax wrote:
Does the OP and the mafia numbers reflect the true alignment now? Yes Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 08:38 kitaman27 wrote:22. cDgCorazon as Palmar, lynched day twoThere are 5/5Mafia RemainingThe current mafia kp is 3 (5/2 rounded up) How is that vague?
i don't know. maybe it isn't.
man janitor is annoying but at least you know exactly what you know and what you don't know. this is a bit silly.
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on a scale from 1 to chezinu, how much are you screwing around with us?
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it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly.
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Anybody who knows Palmar knows he has a fondness for Death Millers, especially mafia ones.
There's no reason to suddenly believe Corazon was actually town, especially if he knew he was a Death Miller one way or the other. He wouldn't martyr and get himself lynched as town knowing that.
He would do so as mafia, knowing he would die since Foolishness would not. Cora was mafia. Foolish is mafia. This was their plan, and the power to stop Foolishness' lynch seems like an activated one instead of a passive one, which leads me to believe he won't be invincible tomorrow.
Stop worrying about this bullshit and scumhunt. Mafia have done an excellent job fucking with town for the longest time, but it's not difficult to see the mafia as they've organized themselves this game. Vivax, Sloosh, and Foolishness all need to be targeted with town's KP and the lynches we have in the coming days to eliminate the mafia.
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On March 16 2013 04:13 prplhz wrote:
it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly.
So what's your conclusion? Are we scum?
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On March 16 2013 04:13 prplhz wrote:
it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly.
yes, it is silly, and this thought has crossed my mind regularly. Still not gonna wifom myself out of lynches though.
mafia are evidently being silly. Foolishness, in his great wisdom, decided to out another scum in Corazon on the offchance that this gambit would work. He also made the same mistake 3 games running.
Now slOosh is being blindingly dumb, and I know he isn't that.
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On March 16 2013 04:22 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 04:13 prplhz wrote:
it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly. So what's your conclusion? Are we scum?
why don't you, I don't know, read the two posts I made about Foolish, read his response, read the various things about Corazon - i.e. his blatant survival instinct, his awful tunnel, his refusal to comment on Foolishness, his 100% surety that he was going to die when the rest of the thread had no idea if Foolishness was telling the truth.
Go back and do those things, and tell me what's happening in this game.
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