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I got but a taste of mafia last week and I desire more. I'm afraid I'm a little new to this but I have no idea when the next NMM game is and there was so much lurk in it I feel like it wasn't a great example. /in
On February 20 2013 03:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Ugh, I want to, but I also want to actually have time to play this god damn game. SONIV DON'T PUSS OUT PLAY WITH ME
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Assuming we start Saturday.... BUM BUM BUMMMMMM
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On February 24 2013 18:01 geript wrote: Did you guys at least provide a sacrifice before attempting to summon him? I mean any minor should do; perhaps your first born child. Joke's on you guys; my kid's staying with my parents for the weekend so I can study.
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Well fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Come on you vets, grab a friend or something!
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Well hot damn, let's find us some cult members. As you guys all seem to know each other somewhat I'm gonna hold off on my vote until I get to know people a lil' better.
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On February 26 2013 09:17 Wade Fell wrote: I really wish something JJ had said was scummy, so I could run on lynching him, but instead he's just a terrible human being. Someday archaeological teams will find a server hard drive with his posts and find us cruel, unthinking savages with ammonia in our brains and violence in our hearts. He's only a bad human being because he never learned how to be otherwise. + Show Spoiler +
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On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game.
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On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody!
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Ok I'm back. Just kidding about lurking, y'all! Appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion, Aquanim. Let's see what my extremely extensive D1 filter has reeled in. Oh look, a wild Promethelax who drops a scumread on me along with this timeless wisdom:
I can't read him on meta because I haven't played with him. Which is why I read him on behaviour instead. You were a scum coach in his one townie game. Do you have any insight you wanna share?
At which point VE can't even contribute because I apparently 'lurked hard' D1 in my NMM game (despite the fact that if he even took 5 seconds to look at my filter from that game I was one of the highest post counts that day, well above the real lurkers in that game).
Real strong cases to go on D1 guys, bravo. /golfclap
In other news, there are 5 people who have yet to post and 5 possible scum. COINCIDENCE?
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On February 26 2013 10:46 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok I'm back. Just kidding about lurking, y'all! Appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion, Aquanim. Let's see what my extremely extensive D1 filter has reeled in. Oh look, a wild Promethelax who drops a scumread on me along with this timeless wisdom: I can't read him on meta because I haven't played with him. Which is why I read him on behaviour instead. You were a scum coach in his one townie game. Do you have any insight you wanna share? At which point VE can't even contribute because I apparently 'lurked hard' D1 in my NMM game (despite the fact that if he even took 5 seconds to look at my filter from that game I was one of the highest post counts that day, well above the real lurkers in that game). Real strong cases to go on D1 guys, bravo. /golfclap In other news, there are 5 people who have yet to post and 5 possible scum. COINCIDENCE? So do you think one or both of Prom/VE are scum? Absolutely not enough to go on yet, and I'm not going to pretend that I have anything like everyone else here.
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On February 26 2013 10:50 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:47 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:38 The Macho Man wrote:On February 26 2013 10:35 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:31 The Macho Man wrote: what does everyone think of vivax simply trying to figure out smurfs not alignments is the greatest of all time on to something or not? What does everyone think about NachoMan picking me out of everyone else doing the same? Let's see, Toad made a guess, Wade is making guesses, Vivax made guesses. Who might be easier to lynch? Oh it's Vivax, everybody loves lynching Vivax. what does vivax think? What's your read on geript and VE? ve looks townie to me promoting discussion and showed some confusion towards megrepit is null need more however nothing sticks out as supper scummy to the macho man. Scumslip.
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On February 26 2013 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not lying, I told you I was uninvested and the statement in question had a question mark after it (indicating that I was not sure and was operating from [apparently faulty] memory.
I have no memory of Wave other than he wasn't on my team. But see that's the thing. If you were actually curious about my play you would have looked, so you either didn't bother which means you don't actually care, or you did and you're lying.
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On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts Lol and you thought I was scum then, too. GL with that, bro.
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On February 26 2013 11:02 geript wrote: @MS yes at points. Such as? Weak cases are weak man. I was gonna save it in case you were gonna attempt a rebuttal but remember how I kept saying that my one mistake in NMM 36 was playing like a pussy even though town?
You can attribute my 'change in attitude' this game to not pussying out. Can't say much about you so far, but Prom is looking decently scummy considering he hasn't really added anything of worth yet, flip-flopped real quick once his scumread on me was proven weak and hasn't even pressured me since.
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For the record, does RNG ever take off. Like....ever? What discussion is supposed to take place regarding it?
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On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you?
Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie.
I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach.
WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN
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On February 26 2013 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm share the sentiment that it would be too much of a pain to try and fix the election to remove the pardoner. It just seems easier all around to just try and get town into both positions. Hence my post. If you're worried about scum getting the position, put me in it instead, and if people are absolutely paranoid that I'm not town then worst case scenario it's a mislynch on a role that you don't want that badly anyway, and best case scenario, you don't lynch me and you have town in the position you want. If you're commenting on the fact that it might be inherently more difficult to try and fix the runner up vote, then that's a different story, obviously.
I really like the Dr.'s posting so far, but I'd just like to keep in mind that I don't think we should start bandwagoning so early. I think it's been established by a few people already that Prom looks scummy; thus we know not to put him up for mayor. Are we now, like the good Doctor suggests, looking for a mayor to lynch him flat-out, or do we continue the scumhunt while keeping Prom in the back of our minds? I lean towards the second option.
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On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. Alright, I sort of see your point, but the question is can I pardon myself D1? If not then the plan theoretically stands and you have nothing to worry about (unless you think I'm scummy at a later date). If so then....yeah I suppose I'd have to go with hoping that you guys trust me.
Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that. Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on.
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On February 26 2013 11:59 TestSubject893 wrote: I really don't understand how so people are getting to the conclusion that because we don't have enough control over the vote to try and make the person we lynch pardoner we should make a good player pardoner. Am I missing something?
Hence my post. If you're worried about scum getting the position, put me in it instead, and if people are absolutely paranoid that I'm not town then worst case scenario it's a mislynch on a role that you don't want that badly anyway, and best case scenario, you don't lynch me and you have town in the position you want. If you're commenting on the fact that it might be inherently more difficult to try and fix the runner up vote, then that's a different story, obviously.
On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that. Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on.
Sorry for formatting, the bolded posts are mine. Testsubject, from a completely neutral point of you you're right; I can't help but inherently see the value in wanting to put myself up for this, however, knowing my own alignment. I don't see myself as Mayor so given your case it pretty much boils down to, do we want to ignore me or not?
On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I am going to sheep this. I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game. As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative. ======= @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell" I'll get to this, give me a few min.
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On February 26 2013 12:04 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. Alright, I sort of see your point, but the question is can I pardon myself D1? If not then the plan theoretically stands and you have nothing to worry about (unless you think I'm scummy at a later date). If so then....yeah I suppose I'd have to go with hoping that you guys trust me. Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that. Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on. I don't want you mayor, even though I'd bet a nut you are town I wouldn't bet a single hair of my beard on you making the right choices. I've been burned by newbie townies before (YAN). If you are elected pardoner do not pardon anyone. Ever. I can get behind this.
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Regarding 'Wade Fell' Null alignment at best. Seems to be doing a decent job of throwing his vote (or suspicion) around aimlessly all the while shitting up the thread in short bursts, then disappears. Not enough to go on and hasn't contributed useful information, all he does is prod.
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On February 26 2013 12:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: +100 scum points for everyone ignoring a case against prom and instead talking about pardoner with WoS and everyone praising him for being a great townie instead of focusing on the scumhunt
is this because of that bullshit about how your job as a townie is to prove you're a townie and scumhunting is somehow second to that?
On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I am going to sheep this. I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game. As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative. ======= @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell"
On February 26 2013 11:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm share the sentiment that it would be too much of a pain to try and fix the election to remove the pardoner. It just seems easier all around to just try and get town into both positions. Hence my post. If you're worried about scum getting the position, put me in it instead, and if people are absolutely paranoid that I'm not town then worst case scenario it's a mislynch on a role that you don't want that badly anyway, and best case scenario, you don't lynch me and you have town in the position you want. If you're commenting on the fact that it might be inherently more difficult to try and fix the runner up vote, then that's a different story, obviously. I really like the Dr.'s posting so far, but I'd just like to keep in mind that I don't think we should start bandwagoning so early. I think it's been established by a few people already that Prom looks scummy; thus we know not to put him up for mayor. Are we now, like the good Doctor suggests, looking for a mayor to lynch him flat-out, or do we continue the scumhunt while keeping Prom in the back of our minds?I lean towards the second option.
I've only said 100 fucking times to drop it if people don't like it, consider it dropped. As for you, geript, you should know, ONCE AGAIN if you even looked at the game we recently played that if anything it's exactly like my town play from last game, in which I question everything I do because I suck. I'm just less afraid to suck now.
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Wow real shit job of formatting I'm doing this game. Essentially, good Doctor, I bring up the points about focusing on the scumhunt MYSELF, AND calling Prom scummy (which you conveniently ignore in your long post regarding how you don't yet view me as town, but rather, 'worrisome') and you somehow ignore that and instead take it as me shitting up the thread. As I said, drop the pardoner shit, we'll see what happens.
Personally I'm wondering how the fuck geript seems to be 100% sure of Mocsta being who he says he is.
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On February 26 2013 12:27 ObviousOne wrote: Prom is voting VE for mayor despite VE's intent to lynch into Prom/Vivax? Doesn't mean anything, could be a weak attempt to look town for all we know.
Also Milksuckler, considering Wade Fells' filter at this point in the game, the best I can offer is null. Do you think you could do any better without it sounding forced?
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On February 26 2013 12:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:26 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 26 2013 12:18 MilkSuckler wrote: DoctorHelvetica.. are you against me voting you for mayor? I don't want to be mayor, no. Why not? As town it doubles the huge incentive that mafia already have to hit me and as mafia it doubles the intensity of the spotlight and accusations. The added pressure on either side fucks with my game and I don't play as well in a mayor game. I don't see the role as particularly useful without bodyguards because the mayor is going to be lynched or killed either way. I feel more comfortable on the outside looking in if that makes sense. I'm trying to stop posting too much (as I have been every game and failed in every game). That should be reason enough. If I think the lynch is going in the wrong direction I might run though. @WoS, please don't use your meta as a bailout for bad or scummy play. Just try to improve. Focus on hunting scum and explain your reasoning better. I have zero interests in your ideas about the campaign. If Promethelax is your top scumread, why are you hesitant to push for him to be lynched? Is not the goal of the game to lynch scum? If Prom is town, we all move on with the information we have and continue to push and pressure until the town wins. It's not going to be a perfect victory so don't get caught up in your own lack of confidence. I'm not hesitant to push him at all, but there are still ~44 hours left in the day. Tunneling a solitary lynch target this early doesn't do much to weed out the rest of the scumteam, so yes, I am interested in seeing Prom go down as of right now, but not at the exclusion of finding the others.
Geript, you seem to be really relying on 'Mocsta' and buddying him hard and relying heavily on meta from last game (which I've already pointed out doesn't tell you anything at all regarding me). Any other thoughts on anyone else this game at all?
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Alright I know people hate this kind of thing but I'm bringing it up anyway: there are still ~3-4 people who haven't said a word yet this game and quite a few others whose filters aren't even worth going through yet.
The day is still young obviously but that makes voting for a mayor extremely difficult, knowing that right now we have a choice of essentially 2-3 active members when there may be other valid choices who haven't spoken their minds yet. I'm not rushing to commit. This goes for scumhunting too; it really makes me hate D1 because half of the people in the game go completely unscrutinized while it's entirely possible that it's 8 or so townies are flinging shit at each other.
Talking more about Prom is not helpful until he's ready to respond, I demand that he respond to my case in full and explain his reasoning adequately. It's worth noting that Vivax has 2 full pages in his filter with zero content. This is the kind of thing I like and what I was trying to allude towards earlier when I was torn apart for whatever reason by Dr. H. We need to be looking everywhere for scum, not just at the people who are right under our noses.
As far as Vivax goes, again I'm afraid I can't offer anything useful. Endless questions and banter does not a filter make.
On February 26 2013 11:09 ObviousOne wrote: Martyring? LOL
That is a fairly inaccurate representation of what I'm doing here. You could have tunneled on me just as easily if I said "fucked if I know who is scum" and the only pressure I'm feeling right now is coming from my bowels care of this afternoon's tacos. ObviousOne's looks remarkably similar with a promise to be more active when he wakes up; I look forward to that and expect it, since he attempted to draw attention and pressure toward himself.
Geript on the other hand still hasn't responded to my questions regarding his meta diving and buddying with who he presumes to be Mocsta.
On February 26 2013 10:05 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 09:27 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote: Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly?
lol Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. That answer or this one? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? As of now I would also consider VE for mayor.
He considers himself a good candidate for mayor but when shot down (due to 'newbie status or not') he switches to VE. He hasn't changed his vote yet since he hasn't returned in a long time but it is interesting to note that the next person to jump on VE-for-mayor (other than VE himself who is constantly switching his vote) is none other than our current scum candidate, Prom.
This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1. Regarding Geript himself, I'm really not a fan of his tunneling me for reasons that needed to be left behind last game, but the fact that he is doing this either means he is, in fact playing the exact same game as he played last time, meaning he sucks at reads and is town, or he is specifically looking to act the same way.
Either way, Geript, counterpressure time. I expect answers to my questions when you get back.
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On February 26 2013 16:29 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:15 WaveofShadow wrote: This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1. WoS, can you please flesh this out a bit more: help me understand. Why is it obvious prome was looking to clear his name? Who sullied his name in the first place? The way I see it, he realized he fucked up once VE caught on.
On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote: My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. I asked earlier on but it was ignored as far as I remember, why exactly would anyone bring up RNG at all? Is it ever a good idea? It seems to me that in every instance I have ever heard of RNG vote being talked about it has been shut down almost immediately so VE's suspicion makes sense though he doesn't delve into it here. After that, Prom immediately jumps on me as a scum read which is proven worthless by both VE early and later by me, a post which Prom himself says he 'likes.' He then switches his vote to VE.
At this point the Prom train is already running and plenty of other cases have been made against him which he constantly ignores all the while switching his focus all over the place, finally ending up at Wade.
I don't think I need to summarize in total all of the reasons other people have looked into as to why Prom looks scummy but for me at least it's all of the vote and focus switching along with the initial RNG attempted 'discussion.'
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Also I realized something else while going through Prom's filter... MS, Prom himself mentioned that you are Mocsta...Geript only seems to agree with this after it was already mentioned. Now I'm REALLY not going to be any good at looking into meta aside from what I've already said about Geript, but to me if this is true you've definitely changed your game around quite a bit.
What do you have to say about that and the fact that Geript is buddying you real hard? He also never responded to you saying his post structure was different aside from disagreeing with you 'at points' and not explaining himself. Maybe I can get some insight from you before he gets back and what he says will corroborate in some way?
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Because his RNG case and scumread on me looked scummy. The quotes probe into his intentions but that is where the suspicion began and where I believe Prom realized he fucked up, as he said, forcing him to try and make himself look less scummy by voting VE and calling me 'super townie.'
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I'm not so sure what is difficult to understand about that...the beginning of the probing inevitably leads to other people catching on as well.
Any thoughts on my post after that?
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Ok you answered it. I'm not concerned as to whether you are Mocsta or not, but clearly Geript is.
On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote: A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much?
On February 26 2013 12:29 geript wrote: I'll hit that up Moc when I'm not on my phone. It's a psychological thing Geript is revealing about himself here. He recognized someone he appears to 'know' (based on last game once again) and already assumes you and him share a rapport by referring to you as 'Moc,' and the fact that he assumed you are Mocsta in the first place, not even referring to a realization of the fact. He already assumes you two have a friendly connection, hence, 'buddying.'
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Little too WIFOM for my tastes but I'll take it anyway.
On February 26 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok I'm back. Just kidding about lurking, y'all! Appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion, Aquanim. Let's see what my extremely extensive D1 filter has reeled in. Oh look, a wild Promethelax who drops a scumread on me along with this timeless wisdom: Show nested quote +I can't read him on meta because I haven't played with him. Which is why I read him on behaviour instead. You were a scum coach in his one townie game. Do you have any insight you wanna share? At which point VE can't even contribute because I apparently 'lurked hard' D1 in my NMM game (despite the fact that if he even took 5 seconds to look at my filter from that game I was one of the highest post counts that day, well above the real lurkers in that game). The scumread on me was scummy as it was based on almost nothing, especially since he focussed me when Vivax did the exact same thing, as VE stated.
On February 26 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:07 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Prom that's closer to what I'm looking for. Why do you prefer to lynch WoS over Vivax? Because I don't care to lynch Vivax. I know I'm the only guy on the forum who thinks this but Vivax is a good player and useful to town when town. Also, as Marv showed in fruity, he is catchable as scum on meta alone. Tl:dr I have a scum read on WoS and not on Vivax. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote: My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote: Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly?
lol Explain plz. Vivax is equally guilty of what you're accusing WoS of.
As for the 180, sure you can call it 'pressure' or whatever but that early in the game and based on nothing? What did he have to gain as town by doing that? In any case it's not the 180 on me that concerns me as much as the other stuff, and especially the vote switch.
On February 26 2013 17:04 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok you answered it. I'm not concerned as to whether you are Mocsta or not, but clearly Geript is. On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote: A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much? On February 26 2013 12:29 geript wrote: I'll hit that up Moc when I'm not on my phone. It's a psychological thing Geript is revealing about himself here. He recognized someone he appears to 'know' (based on last game once again) and already assumes you and him share a rapport by referring to you as 'Moc,' and the fact that he assumed you are Mocsta in the first place, not even referring to a realization of the fact. He already assumes you two have a friendly connection, hence, 'buddying.' I didnt read it that way. When was referring to .?Mocsta? I enquired whether he was talking to me. It is common to address smurfs by who you think they are (Look at FiveTouch in Mafia LIX) Now question for you: Why would it matter Geript is "buddying" up to me? Why not the plethora of other players? I checked the playing list for NMM37, you and Geript were in that.. why not buddy you to develop this rapport? I'm asking you why you think it would matter because as I said before, I'm curious to hear his own intentions on the matter. And as for buddying again, obvious....because he made it very clear he thinks I'm 'scum.'
I'm curious as to why I have to prove everything I say to you even though everything has already been proven elsewhere in the thread? Multiple times if I remember correctly. (See DoctorHelvetica's long case on Prom, I'm sick of filter diving to prove everything to you).
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EBWOP (because you posted as I was writing this): The WIFOM in my post refers to this post by you.
On February 26 2013 17:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Because his RNG case and scumread on me looked scummy. The quotes probe into his intentions but that is where the suspicion began and where I believe Prom realized he fucked up, as he said, forcing him to try and make himself look less scummy by voting VE and calling me 'super townie.' OK, so you think he preempted the RNG being treated as scummy. Why do you think the scumread on you was scummy? And why do you think he would risk more "limelight" by doing a 180 on his read and declaring you super townie? - Does this not directly oppose the intention of "clearing one's name"?
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And with that, I'm off to bed. Hopefully I've given you enough material to work with MS (because that's the only reason I could see you asking obvious questions that you could get the answers to yourself) until tomorrow.
It's funny this back-and-forth actually does seem very 'Mocsta-y' of you...so if you were trying to hide it then you're slipping. Not that it matters any.
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Alright ladies and gents, I am back and ready for action. Just reading through the thread as we speak.
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On February 27 2013 03:39 ObviousOne wrote:@Milk Suckler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17883358Regarding that post, most of it seems to be spot on from my perspective. You sort of belabor the shit out of the RNG points and spread them into other categories but think about how Zarepath acted D1 in the last newbie game he played with me (us? if you're mocsta) and you'll see that it's possible he was indeed going about trying to generate discussion. He might have even been successful if he was vigilant in driving the conversation or hinting as to the direction he wanted to go with it, but since none of that actually happened it's looking like a really bad point against him. As for considering WOS a candidate, after the smack talk prior to looking at his newbie game and evaluating WOS' re-entrance to the thread, I could see how his mindset (as either alignment) would allow him to 180. WHY he 180s is a question for him directly at that point in the conversation, though from my perspective I see an enthusiastic WOS looking to take some burden off the concerns of town at a point where we were only looking at ~2 real candidates. One thing to note about WOS re-entry is him mentioning Aquanim. What was his reason for that? Because Aquanim was the only one who actually acknowledged me; for the record I actually was feeling ignored but I had to go for a bit and wanted to see if anyone would react to me intentionally lurking. As for your talk of me 180ing...what?
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Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit.
Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax.
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On February 27 2013 04:42 ObviousOne wrote: Vayesh is right where Vayesh wants to be right now. He is, in fact, part of the Brotherhood. I'm starting to get real sick of the trolling.
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On February 27 2013 06:57 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Vayesh will you support myself or Doc for mayor? Your Lord is phoning this cycle in and he's not getting elected. The choice will fall on the hands that direct the machines of righteous death. Who will fall, who will be spared. A vote is cast on an ocean of shared thought. You know, on the one hand I agree with Vivax; trying to decipher this shit is getting on my nerves.
But on the other hand, it is kind of fun. I SHALL ALLOW IT.
Hey OO, top lynch target? Apparently you see Vivax as town/null and Prom is an obvious case right now; I'm interested in who you see as a threat to town.
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Oh and as for Soniv, he's super busy all the time, so lack of contribution on his part is probably expected except for specific times during the day. That said if he doesn't post during those specific times I will be on his ass....still waiting on a reply from him. AND FUCKING GERIPT.
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Regarding Soniv, yes I read his filter and it's mostly useless aside from a scumread on Vayesh, though I'm not really sure how he has enough to go on besides the fact that all Vayesh is doing is cryptically posting about random people. I expect to hear more from him later, as I said.
Geript, I don't know what horseshit you're spouting but nowhere in your filter do you address my buddying concerns. You mention to others why you find my responses 'uncharacteristic' but you've played ONE GAME with me, during which point I DIED N1. YOU KNOW SHIT ALL ABOUT ME, SO STOP PRETENDING YOU DO.
Find something more useful to do with your time and fucking scumhunt.
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On February 27 2013 12:06 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 11:58 The Macho Man wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Agree on testsubject With JJ..after re-reading his filter, I liking him a lot better and wouldnt consider him a strong candidate for lynch. I am very keen to hear the continuation thoughts on macho man, once prome is lynched. This will be paramount to developing my read further on him. how so Shit question, shit answer. Cos I thought so. Up ya game, its far from perfect. being in two games isnt an excuse for shit play or shit questions. wanna try asking again with something specific? well good sir i just checked my role pm and it says regardless of what prom is i am town its very conditional like that Smurfing too hard apparently. Which one is he again just so I can follow? Also I've been attempting to keep up with the thread (haven't been able to post until recently) and honestly I can't think of anything meaningful to contribute right now because I'm lost in the shitstorm of uselessness most people have been posting so far.
What happened to Aquanim?
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On February 27 2013 13:31 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 02:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ...
I think ObviousOne (for reasons already mentioned, read posts by Aquanim and the Milkman, I can go more in depth) is likely mafia. I also think vigilantes/detectives ought to look closely through the filter of WaveofShadow and jcarlsoniv with a copy of Ver's Town Guide in the next tab and see what you feel like doing tonight.
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Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. @DoctorHelvetica, where did the scum reads on ObviousOne, WoS and jcarlsoniv go? I don't think he meant that we're scum with that comment.
So are we dead-set on having VE and Dr.H as Mayor/pardoner at this point? Do we know 100% what their motives are for D1 (Prom lynch) and will they stick to them? Does it matter which one gets which role?
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On February 27 2013 13:44 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2013 13:31 Aquanim wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ...
I think ObviousOne (for reasons already mentioned, read posts by Aquanim and the Milkman, I can go more in depth) is likely mafia. I also think vigilantes/detectives ought to look closely through the filter of WaveofShadow and jcarlsoniv with a copy of Ver's Town Guide in the next tab and see what you feel like doing tonight.
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On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. @DoctorHelvetica, where did the scum reads on ObviousOne, WoS and jcarlsoniv go? I don't think he meant that we're scum with that comment. So are we dead-set on having VE and Dr.H as Mayor/pardoner at this point? Do we know 100% what their motives are for D1 (Prom lynch) and will they stick to them? Does it matter which one gets which role? Trying to answer this question made me realize how much having to decide Mayor and Pardoner really sucks for town. Why can't we just vote on who we kill like every other game I've played. Well for the most part we do...after D1 like others have said both roles are going to have minimal effect. An interesting thing I thought of is the fact that Dr.H is pretty sure he is going to be scum target N1 whether elected or not. Doesn't this bring us back to the potential of eliminating a role we don't want falling into the wrong hands again?
And if in fact we believe VE/Dr. H to be useful to the town (as it seems many of us do), if Dr. H is so sure he is going to die why let role go to waste so easily (or bait a medic save...)?
I know people didn't like my original plan but given the things that Dr. H has already mentioned and if we do believe him to be useful to us, it may be worth thinking about trying to do SOMETHING about it, is all.
Now as for scumhunting, we've gotten nowhere in a very long time as with Prom on the chopping block no one else appears to feel even remotely threatened....
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On February 27 2013 13:55 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Now as for scumhunting, we've gotten nowhere in a very long time as with Prom on the chopping block no one else appears to feel even remotely threatened.... You still pushing this buddying claim (regards to Geript) No, considering Geript hasn't offered anything up since I have absolutely nothing to go on. He's just as useless as half the other players in here. He's got a little suspicion on Dr. H...well great. Unless he comes up with something concrete then the guy he's suspicious of is gonna be mayor and he isn't altogether concerned.
Aquanim I say we haven't gotten anywhere because since the train got going on Prom there have been no largely effective cases. I'm going to do a little filter diving to see what exactly a Prom flip is going to mean.
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To be fair, glurio never contributes very much at all until he's about to be lynched, scum or town.
As for me, I really should be contributing since I pledged to hours ago. Gonna try and dig sumpin up.
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List post, because errrbody loves list posts! For the record, I’m doing this because I haven’t contributed in a while and it’ll help me get my own thoughts in order as well as hopefully draw attention to those people (such as me) who are going ignored and unscrutinized. (I'm sick of Prom/Vivax talk if you can't tell. Just lynch 'em both and get it over with.) I can go into more detail on any of these if requested (as well as talk about those not included whose filter is actually substantial), and this will give other people opportunity to look at me as well if curious (though I don’t think anyone is). Toad: Pretty strong town-read. He jumped on Prom with VE real early and for whatever reason is/was under attack (weakly) from Vivax. Not following VE’s logic as to why he’s mafia to be honest, his defenses check out, and that makes me worry a little about VE, to be honest.
Grush: Null…mebbe scum-leaning. His filter is too short and useless to reveal anything about him, and to be completely honest I have no clue wtf that starsenses thing is about.
Jcarlsoniv: Scummy, though I could see blue or black. (Apparently his record is almost exclusively VT which is kinda funny, but whatever) Should be contributing a hell of a lot more than he has, hasn’t answered a multitude of questions answered him later on in the day but earlier on was aggressive and made a couple of decent analysis posts on a few of the less-analyzed people. Appears overall as wanting to contribute but afraid to for whatever reason, again either because scum or avoiding attention (blue/black). The longer he goes without something of value the scummier he looks to me.
The Milkman: Huge lurk but when he is around, is useful. Dissected the crap out of Vivax’s ‘reads’ post and did a good job. Town read.
Geript: Null. The problem with him are his short posts that hide behind the façade of calm psychological analysis when in reality he knows absolutely nothing about anyone. (Case and point, which I have brought up before, his ridiculous tunneling of me early.) He talks about how he bases his reads on behavioural analysis and whatnot so as I’ve stated before this makes his reads really bad and untrustworthy, or he’s scum. Honestly I could see either.
Glurio: Null. His lack of posting and uselessness is pretty standard play in both his recent mafia and town games. Prom: Not gonna rape the dead horse. I’m still kinda interested to see what a flip means for other people in the thread but I realized that was gonna need more analysis that I could do in the state I was in. I’ll probably just let this one flip and let Dr.H take the reins as he said he would do whether Prom flipped scum or town.
Restraining Order: One of the only people who actually liked my idea early game. Changed his vote off of me before Dr.H shut me down hard but the vote wagon had already started so tough to say if trying to hide or not. Null.
DoctorHelvetica: Apparently has something about me that was bothering him but didn’t elaborate because I always seem to slip under the radar despite trying to help. He initially like my idea but then flipped around on it real quickly and shut it down. Says he doesn’t care about being mayor but then very obviously and clearly does. His reads are clear and strong, and he is very pro-town. Seems as though he has a very specific agenda in mind but I’m not 100% sure it’s going to end up in town’s favor after today. Still gonna go with town despite the above.
Aquanim: Questionsquestionsquestionsquestions. A lot of lurk, and very few answers. Says he’s in favor of an OO lynch D2 which I could get behind but I would want to know why exactly. Why no heavy analysis? Null.
Chaosbear: modkill fodder
The Macho Man/iamp: Calls for everyone to focus on scumhunting early game but does no such hunting himself – only reactionary counterarguments to Vivax calling him out and a soft defense of Prom. All he does the rest of the thread is call people out without any analysis and telling people to scumhunt. Weak attempts and trying to look like he’s contributing. Scummy.
TestSubject: I’m not a fan of meta analysis but based on the way he jumped into last NMM, this is a really weak showing from him. Null read, but I expect more from him and like Soniv the longer he goes without doing much the scummier he gets.
Randombum: Tough call. Makes a big show of saying his reads are accurate but then posts a dumb plan and disappears. Then makes a great case on OO and then disappears. Really wish I could see more from him but apparently we won’t be seeing him until next day? Also bothers me that although good, the case on OO is too easy to make. Leaning scum until I see otherwise.
VayeshMoru: His posts are strangely entertaining yet piss me off at the same time because he hasn’t CONTRIBUTED, only agrees or disagrees with others. Null.
Layabout: lurky but his posts and questions get better as the day progresses. His list of lynch targets for D1 is dumb as hell especially since he gives no reasons why. Defends Prom and is against TestSubject`s thoughts of not trusting Dr.H 100%. This one`s tough imo, motivations scream scum but I`m having a hard time with it for whatever reason. Scum-leaning I guess?
JungleJorge: Too little to go on. Says he’s ‘withholding info’ and has reads ie. TMM but is going for a Prom lynch because he wouldn’t be able to dissuade anyone anyway. Had better deliver on his ‘information,’ otherwise in the same boat as the other two who I expect more from. Scum-leaning.
Hassybaby: Soooo many excuses as to his lack of play. Want more contribution from him. Null.
Chezinu: Who the fuck knows, but I want him gone anyway.
As for my vote I can honestly say I’m not 100% sure of either Dr. H or VE, but since my earlier idea will not gain any traction it’s going to be the two of them whether I like it or not. ##vote: VisceraEyes
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EBWOP:
Prom: Not gonna rape the dead horse. I’m still kinda interested to see what a flip means for other people in the thread but I realized that was gonna need more analysis that I could do in the state I was in. I’ll probably just let this one flip and let Dr.H take the reins as he said he would do whether Prom flipped scum or town.
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Jcarlsoniv: Scummy, though I could see blue or black. (Apparently his record is almost exclusively VT which is kinda funny, but whatever) Should be contributing a hell of a lot more than he has, hasn’t answered a multitude of questions people asked him later on in the day but earlier on was aggressive and made a couple of decent analysis posts on a few of the less-analyzed people. Appears overall as wanting to contribute but afraid to for whatever reason, again either because scum or avoiding attention (blue/black). The longer he goes without something of value the scummier he looks to me.
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Appreciate the clarity Dr.H, and the explanation of your playstyle in contrast to others.
On February 28 2013 02:15 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 02:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No one loves list posts. They have absolutely zero value to anyone but you, keep it in a notepad (out of the thread) until your thoughts are organized and only posts the information that is relevant to your case. They also make tracking additional deaths during the night from possible vigilantes a little harder. But that's just additional info for personal consideration because as always WIFOM argument is here to stay. I don't get it why try to pin someone down as SK. That's just as meaningless as trying to determine what smurf is who. Also DrH, you'd rather see yourself elected as pardoner or BH? I understand the aversion to list-posts but it's been so long since I contributed and my lack-of-sleep state preventing me from heavy filter diving and analysis...it was basically this or lurk the rest of D1 and to be frank, I'd least like to attempt to contribute.
How exactly does a list make vig tracking more difficult? And as far as SK is concerned, I'm not trying to pin him down necessarily, just highlighting the fact that I see Soniv as anything but VT right now.
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On February 28 2013 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:I was actually the (badass) SK in Storm. You never responded to my question about Toad Doc. Though it was a little abrasive, I still would like a response. Toad has exhibited behavior that exhibits having an agenda - namely his insistence on being "recognized" as the genesis of the Prom lynch and (what I perceive to be) discrediting of me before I was a serious candidate for mayor. I'd like your thoughts on Toadesstern, and I'd like you to walk me through any town read you have on him considering you're an in-thread kind of guy and not a meta guy. VE can you explain to me why you're after Toad? I was looking through your exchanges with him and I really don't see how he's trying to discredit you. He makes the statement about your 'waffling' once and switches his vote onto Dr.H but honestly I can understand why when you mentioned you may be lynching OO if he happens to be scummier.
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On February 28 2013 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you read my explanation of that? Because I'm running for mayor, I'm using the lynch to try and pressure people for contribution. And in the case of OO it seems to have worked because he's tried to (from my perspective) feign contribution since. I'll admit that the more in agreement we all seem to be re: Prom, the more likely I am to lynch another of my reads - which is why I've been advocating DocH for mayor lately - but Toad specifically called it "waffling" twice...in a manner that seems to be specifically designed to anger me. He knows Mayoral strategy, he knows the power of the threat of lynch. For this reason, I think it was NOT supposed to be just an observation of my lynch preference, and WAS supposed to be discrediting me. But see that's the issue...if Toad (like most of us) actually wants Prom lynched then despite the 'threat of lynch' he can't be sure if what you're saying is just pressure or whether you actually are going to change your mind. Even I can't tell now that you've said you're more likely to lynch someone else. Is it just for pressure or are you gonna flip things on us? WIFOM.
If you're serious about not wanting to lynch Prom anymore you need to seriously let everyone know who is voting for you based on that premise.
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On February 28 2013 03:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: On my phone at work, so posting ability is limited.
@wave: I made a post addressing questions directed towards/ about me. I also said that if I missed any to please tell me. So please, enlighten me.
Vivax was lashing out hardcore. DrH, the last game he was town in was Themed Game Mafia (if you're looking to check in on him, as you said you might). You'll notice he and I were butting heads towards the end of the game. His attitude this game seems far more aggressive and illogical to me, and he is looking scummier each time he lashes out. Hmm...apparently I'm a huge dumbass and I'm not sure why I still thought you weren't responding. Still going to attribute that to not sleeping. The lynching of the pardoner is definitely not Geript's idea and it's been brought up a few times throughout the day but it was dismissed earlier as 'not possible.' Why is it now all of a sudden likely?
As for Chezinu, I have no idea how to respond to your post, and your entry into the thread regarding protection and rolehunting is just so much shit.
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While I'm not in favor of more VE v Toad, wtf Toad? So much wtf in this game...I don't get the strategy of trolling D1 and then eventually contributing that a whole bunch in here seem to be utilizing.
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On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote: Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy. And so the herd is herded. Something about this really bothers me. Maybe it's because since the Prom lynch has basically been in effect and agreed upon by most everyone in the thread since like hour 3, it makes it very easy for anyone to manipulate what people do based on this. [conspiracy theory] VE is set up on an easy case thanks to easy Prom bus and entire town puts him on the road to election. He slowly gets more and more waffly so that eventually people move off him, knowing that the town will go wherever prom gets lynched and suddenly pardoner becomes an easier role for mafia to attain. [/conspiracytheory] Obviously this isn't entirely likely and probably not a worthy bus if it was set up from the beginning but there are other ways in which the super early decision of a Prom lynch can benefit, including but not limited to the ability to hide all fucking day.
Prom had better be mafia at this point, considering how much confidence was put into this without trying to adhere to any of the plans anyone else has come up with.
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On February 28 2013 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not the worst reasoning I've heard. So it has nothing to do with preferring his platform over mine/Docs then? Isn't that the exact same reasoning I had originally when I was suggesting being put up for Pardoner?
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I think I've mentioned this before as well, but since OO brought it up, do we care about the Mayoral role really? If we find both DrH and VE valuable (and I'm pretty sure we do) then essentially we let the mafia kill two birds with one stone (or at the very least force blue action) once one of them is elected mayor. If we elect someone who has proven...*ahem*...less useful during the day yet still town-aligned we force the mafia to choose.
If we don't care about the mayor after today then it doesn't really matter since VE/DrH are going to be night targets anyway. Thoughts? Once again, feel free to shut me down if the idea is dumb, but at the very least, explain why it's dumb.
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I'm probably not going to be around until 30 min or less before day end, so I'm going to stick with my vote on VE because I have no way of knowing if the plan is going to work out. Good luck, and VE, remember that there are a lot of people who are doing their best to trust you. I haven't thus far seen any reasons you shouldn't be lynching Prom today.
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On February 28 2013 06:17 TestSubject893 wrote: Well, if people aren't on board with it its not gonna happen. The Pardoner role just freaks me out so much that I'd feel better knowing the pardoner is dead than having to take it into consideration when doing the math later in the game. A lot less difficult keeping track of it since it's a day save rather than night save imo.
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On February 28 2013 06:21 TestSubject893 wrote: I think you're town now, but I also think that if there are any players who could be fooling me and the town at large, you two are among them. That's why its so scary to me; the cost of being wrong is quite large. Hence my conspiracy theory post....
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Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
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On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves:Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum Show nested quote +I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game. I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum.
I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points)
VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play.
Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle, I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later* The fuck, Mocsta? You suspect yourself? Upon looking back at the horrible mess that was pre-lynch a couple ideas popped into my head but honestly they're not worth voicing because they're way too complicated and unlikely to be true. All the same I REALLY didn't like the Toad/VE fiasco... DrH and to some extent BH seem quote townie to me, DrH especially. If he's not town just like Zare early last game I'd be terrified for us all.
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On February 28 2013 11:05 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves:Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game. I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum.
I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points)
VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play.
Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle, I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later* The fuck, Mocsta? You suspect yourself? Upon looking back at the horrible mess that was pre-lynch a couple ideas popped into my head but honestly they're not worth voicing because they're way too complicated and unlikely to be true. All the same I REALLY didn't like the Toad/VE fiasco... DrH and to some extent BH seem quote townie to me, DrH especially. If he's not town just like Zare early last game I'd be terrified for us all. I added myself because I have nothing to hide and I was one of the ppl who built a case on prome. I think its null I included myself.. I was active enough in promes lynch (in my opinion) that as scum I would have to consider myself in that list regardless. If you think I included myself in that list to then clear myself of suspicion straight after (by saying its unlikely I am scum).. well.. then you really need to read my filter and determine for yourself whether you think I am scum or town. I'm not accusing you of anything, I was just confused to be honest. As far as involvement in the case on Prom forming associations....the problem is I don't feel the Prom flip really accomplished anything aside from lynching scum. Which is great, but since he was gone so early and for so long I don't think we can gather enough concrete info about other people from that. As I said I have some really convoluted suspicions that are possible but not nearly enough to go on, and as people have stated, Occam's Razor.
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On February 28 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote: For what it's worth, I feel like any kind of "building up to not lynch Prom" you're seeing Milk is nullified by the fact that I've been pushing since yesterday to get DocH elected. I did my best to not get elected, I even capsraged. The veteran players didn't want me as Mayor so I wanted to oblige them. Unless for some reason you think that DocH was unlikely to lynch Prom, then your point about me "building up to not lynch Prom" being a problem is moot. At no point did I not want today's lynch to be Prom. Ever. Yeah, and DrH did the same thing, yet here we are.
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On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote: My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus.
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I back, ladies and gents. A couple thoughts before I do a nice little scum case (give me an hour or so): Mocsta, I agree with you about glurio. This is the least scummy he has ever looked and he's okay in my books. (Of course this could mean that he finally learned how to do things right, even as scum, but I find that unlikely). As for Hassy...what makes him scummier than the other people who have been lurking like crazy? Specifically Soniv...he is SO scummy to me right now.
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Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you. For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you.
I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw.
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On March 01 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you. For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you. I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw. VE already mentioned it: He didn't want to be mayor, he rage'ed around the deadline and he was pretty damn unreasonable when he raged. All points that should make someone question VE and yet people ended up voting him as mayor, which is somewhat weird unless it's a "fuck this DrH guy!" attitude going around. I actually agree with him. People voting VE without proper reason are weird because they should have at least stumbled upon his later posts doubting him but they apparently didn't. Uh...here's my proper reason:
On February 28 2013 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm probably not going to be around until 30 min or less before day end, so I'm going to stick with my vote on VE because I have no way of knowing if the plan is going to work out. Good luck, and VE, remember that there are a lot of people who are doing their best to trust you. I haven't thus far seen any reasons you shouldn't be lynching Prom today. This was quite a while before the lynch, well before VE started going nuts. Yes he was flip-flopping a bit and so i could've voted Dr.H instead (didn't want to vote BH, didn't like his single-mindedness) but meh. I wasn't going to be around and VE was a decently safe vote. Hell I even left my vote on him and warned him before I left. Simple as that.
You're welcome to dive into my filter to find more Mocsta, but in my opinion it probably makes more sense to confirm higher-priority targets for tonight/tomorrow like people's thoughts on Vivax or Hassy. I personally have another in mind, but as I said, it's coming.
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Oh and I'll make it even more clear than that post I quoted...I assumed I was going to be around right before the vote but it turned out I wasn't until way after. I was shocked to see all that was going on.
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On March 01 2013 02:59 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 01 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you. For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you. I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw. VE already mentioned it: He didn't want to be mayor, he rage'ed around the deadline and he was pretty damn unreasonable when he raged. All points that should make someone question VE and yet people ended up voting him as mayor, which is somewhat weird unless it's a "fuck this DrH guy!" attitude going around. I actually agree with him. People voting VE without proper reason are weird because they should have at least stumbled upon his later posts doubting him but they apparently didn't. Uh...here's my proper reason: On February 28 2013 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm probably not going to be around until 30 min or less before day end, so I'm going to stick with my vote on VE because I have no way of knowing if the plan is going to work out. Good luck, and VE, remember that there are a lot of people who are doing their best to trust you. I haven't thus far seen any reasons you shouldn't be lynching Prom today. This was quite a while before the lynch, well before VE started going nuts. Yes he was flip-flopping a bit and so i could've voted Dr.H instead (didn't want to vote BH, didn't like his single-mindedness) but meh. I wasn't going to be around and VE was a decently safe vote. Hell I even left my vote on him and warned him before I left. Simple as that. You're welcome to dive into my filter to find more Mocsta, but in my opinion it probably makes more sense to confirm higher-priority targets for tonight/tomorrow like people's thoughts on Vivax or Hassy. I personally have another in mind, but as I said, it's coming. If I didnt have the pardoner campaign in my head.. you would have been green for me. But yes, as it stands you are not a priority read for me.. good luck with ya case, i look forward to reading it. My mindset as to the pardoner campaign was pretty transparent I think. I recognize myself as not being the most experienced player around therefore I could easily take a role nobody wanted to go to someone more...I dunno...'suspect?' and not use it. On top of that I'd be more than willing to sac myself for the good of town if that's what it took (since people were discussing the plan to eliminate pardoner at the time) if people didn't trust me. I was hoping to come up with more during the day as well so if you guys DID have to lynch me you guys could've learned stuff, that's all. You like looking into meta, amirite? Tell me that doesn't fit with my activity last game and I may or may not have learned.
In any case, if you're not looking into me now, save it for later; it's in my filter now. K no more responses 'till I've finished my case.
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Alrighty, here we go:
Why Geript is SCUM
I've been over his shitposting regarding me in the early game which amounted to absolutely nothing since he seems to have dropped it himself, but I'll bring up his last couple thoughts towards me in case people have forgotten:
On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote: I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax.
On February 27 2013 09:00 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 08:07 MilkSuckler wrote:GeriptOn February 26 2013 12:25 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:21 geript wrote: Was referring to the "that post is likely generated by town" comment. My point is that I still don't like how his core fluctuates and it seems more like he's rewriting scripted posts and trying to blend under the newbie umbrella. hhhmmm, I must say the "read" - if you can call it that - on Wade Fell was weak at best and scummily deprived of stance at worst. And serves as stark contrast to the pardoner request post. I noticed in NMM37 some players were writing posts for the lurkers to contribute with; so could be a valid tactic going forward here. @GeriptCan you please identify which components of his post read forced and scripted to you. Do you still feel that way now WoS has increased his post count? + the question in the quotes pls I still feel the post was artificial. But otherwise I'm less strong on him after reviewing the rest of his filter, more null minus instead of scum.
Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here.
On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. So aside from the fact that we were both right, is that alone enough to make us scum in his eyes? One measly post? Reeks heavily of OMGUS.
This is the post that really screamed at me from his filter:
On February 28 2013 16:40 geript wrote: You went on the offensive to prevent anyone else from getting credit. You've lied multiple times about whether or not you wanted to lynch Prome. You've lied multiple times about whether you're running for mayor. You've intentionally tried to grab at pardoner which is a pro-scum role. You've lied about not trying to take credit for the mayor lynch. There's nothing that can be trusted about you. You're scum. VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end.
I'll save my weakest point for last: meta. Have a look at Geript's filter from NMM 37: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=298120 I'll make it easy for you: The first and last pages are irrelevant because they happened before and after the game, respectively. 2 pages of filter full of analysis, pressure on various people (myself included) and even defense of himself when under suspicion. Geript's role that game? Vanilla Town.
Now let's look at his filter from this game (again, first page mostly useless, you can look at the end of page 1):
One liners, martyring, accusations without basis, weak and/or deferred defenses and two cases all game, one that he JUST posted. One of his 'cases' was on me and we've seen how far that went. He has more pages of filter in THIS game, yet has contributed MUCH less. Examples:
On February 28 2013 11:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's explicit in my posts, I have nothing to fear. geript is scum so fear him you should not Fine, then investigate and/or vig me.
On February 27 2013 11:17 geript wrote: Fine then Dr. You think I'm scum. Bring the case.
On February 26 2013 10:58 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts Im too lazy to check, but IIRC you're post structure is different as well. Do you disagree? LEADING TO
On February 26 2013 11:02 geript wrote: @MS yes at points. Which he never addressed despite me asking him to.
On February 26 2013 19:43 geript wrote:Sorry I got caught up at work; major AC leak and a busted urinal within 30 minutes of each other and when I don't usually clean. Had to call people in, explain why I was there, what was going on and why I wasn't responsible for it. First off, there are three distinct tones in WoS key post and I'm going to separate them out. Show nested quote +A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? All this says is that whatever you are about to propose is absolutely retarded. All it says is, "ignore this post." This tone is returned to at the end. Show nested quote +Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. The second tone is the analysis tone: Show nested quote +Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. Basically this says, "trust a newbie to be pardoner." The problem is that his argument falls apart when you really analyze it. You don't want pardoner in the hands of a newbie because it's a free pass for when they get caught for them unless they're lynched D1. I agree with previous analysis, best to put pardoner on the mayor's lynch target. Next the general plea: Show nested quote +I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. This section is especially out of tone for him. I feel like I'm watching C3PO talk to Jabba here. This paragraph especially feels forced; the diction is all wrong for him. His posts are little more than mimicry than anything else in general but this paragraph is nothing of the sort. Next, I actually have to agree with what Prome said. The difference between Vivax response and WoS response is that Vivax actually attacks the argument (If you do A+B then no way you get to C). WoS response was essentially, "You got NK last game." WoS is playing excited this game. Even when he's grabbed a touch of heat, he's not been the slightest concerned about it and continues to "counterpressure" with bleh. I'm going to reread the thread a few times before I head to bed and sleep on it but for right now Vivax and WoS are on the top of my list but I'd need a flip to make a strong case.
Once again this entire case is based on some 'emotional core' and the 'feeling' that I scripted my posts.
Let's go through this recent case though. Does it hold water? (My comments are bolded)
On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote:The case against VE: 1. He's a liar. He's lied about almost everything he's said. He's running for mayor, but he doesn't want to be mayor. I documented this quite well in my previous post so I'm not going to bother continuing with it here. Did he REALLY lie though? Not from what I can see. He flip-flopped a little between whether or not he was 100% gonna vote for Prom but he came through. He never campaigned for mayor despite getting the votes. Not completely reliable maybe, but flat out lie? No.2. He didn't want to remove the pardoner position at all. As of 7:03 we had 7-6-6-5 vote distribution. Not only is there what like 2 hours to consolidate votes on Prom, but we get a clear leader of VE with 9 within 15 minutes. Right before this post: Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I still oppose trying to put Prom as pardoner. Too many variables. Too many lurkers. Too many people who don't want to budge their vote. It's not feasible. Plus Dr. H adds his vote around 7:30. Didn't VE say that he never wavered in wanting to lynch Prome? Didn't VE say he wanted to be pardoner to keep it out of scum's hands? Why not try and force the issue of getting to solve both goals? Lynch Scum, prevent pardoner shennannies. But no, he's wholly against any reasonable attempt to remove the pardoner. That's right folks, there's a clear pro-town plan to wholly remove pardoner and Prome in one fell swoop and VE doesn't want to go for it because it required getting 3 people at max to put votes on Prome. There were multiple people on. There were multiple people paying attention. No reason to think that this plan wouldn't work. VE wanted to keep the pardoner in the game solely so he could be pardoner. Seriously? That whole fiasco was a disaster waiting to happen. The fact that VE commented on it and refused to contribute if anything leans him MORE towards town in my eyes. There are SO many thinsg that could have gone wrong, including but not limited to the fact that tons of people were switching their votes and it would have been very easy for scum to pull off some last minute switch shit, especially since there probably would've have been town doing the same either for the own reasons or to prevent it. Geript REALLY clawing at straws here, it shows.Any bull about vote switches to move Prome into Mayor are completely insane as those people would be vig'd and/or lynched ASAP. 3. He has made multiple attempts at trying to grab the most pro-scum role. Most pro-scum role? Lol. On its own the fact that there were plans to destroy that role from the start probably warded scum off of it completely. And as for multiple attempts to grab it? Yeah so did I, which is maybe why he sees us both as scummy. Our motivations were different though, I fully planned to sac myself if necessary to eliminate the role (which I have explained multiple times), yet VE wanted to keep it. But we're both scummy, right? We have to trust the impeccable reads Geript has been littering us with all game, right? (never mind how wrong he was in NMM)4. He's playing scared. Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 17:36 VisceraEyes wrote: The reason I felt DocH should be mayor 3/4 through the cycle yesterday was because Promethelax was my prime candidate, but because town was in such agreement about him, I considered switching the lynch to someone else, thinking we could reach an easy as fuck majority D2 on Prom. Anyone who has played with me as town knows that I have no fear of doing unorthodox things based on my reads, and no one knows that better than me...so I made a post stepping down to let DocH run the show. DocH would have lynched Promethelax 100%. I want to highlight this section in particular. Other than the blantant lies, Prome brings up two separate points: A. That he's not afraid of doing unorthodox things B. The town majority on Prome was there (aside: even if there were more people like myself who were null-to-null-minus leaning on him, most everyone in the least thought the case had merit and it was an acceptable lynch) His solution to this situation is to "step down"? Stepping down isn't in VE's personality at all; he's Type A personality all the way. He wants to be in the driver's seat. He wants to flash his epeen and gloat left and right. He wants to not only be able to have his pick of the litter and still be able to lynch Prome later. So why not take his target where he pleases? Is he not going to trust his reads? That's pretty easy to rule out due to personality. Is he trying to bend to the will of the people? Maybe, but as he stated, that doesn't fit him. He doesn't give a fuck what other people think of him. Is he scared of the repercussions if he didn't select Prome? Damn right. His goal is survival; nothing less, nothing more. When he got 'stuck' with Mayor he chose the option that would put the least pressure on him. He's avoiding. Day vigs wait to do your job until morning. This is probably the most sound point that Geript makes. I'm willing to attribute the waffling to the contrast of VE's Type-A personality (as Geript put it) with the responsibility to do the right thing as town saw it. VE wanted to do both essentially, and didn't know at the time which he was more likely to do. Still not lying, and honestly fairly noble giving it up to someone who was very clearly tunneling Prom (DrH) and was very obviously going to lynch him. Geript is really just trying to make VE look a lot worse than he does (there are other reasons that make VE look not so shiny in my eyes, but as I've said it's not enough to go on and relies a lot on conspiracy-level mafia play) and is not doing a very good job of it since this is the most he's contributed at all thus far. All that it comes down to is a mafia attempt to get a vig to waste a shot for town and eliminate a mafia-threatening double-vote. Geript = Scum
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On March 01 2013 04:30 geript wrote: I've worked in a psych ward for 2 years. I've worked with DSS kids for another 2 years (almost 90% of which were categorized both by personality type and psych issues). I'm a nursing student currently and have spent another 3 months of clinical in both pscyh and high risk psych. I'm qualified to be able to read your posts and categorize your personality from that. I know you're not afraid to do unorthodox things because you have said that multiple times and the general consensus on the boards was that you have done that before. Here is my earlier example of Geript's behavioural analysis abilities just to add to me case:
On February 26 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts Lol and you thought I was scum then, too. GL with that, bro.
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On March 01 2013 04:37 geript wrote: Dr.H I have you on null plus now after rereading your posts. A liar, ok, but that in and of itself isn't damning and not enough to get you lynched. While I'm not fond of lying in this game in general, I can at least admit to it's usefulness at points. You're keep your own council as is evident by your posts.
Yes I thought about both of you being scum, but both of you being scum makes very little game play sense in the long term as I would expect (as town) you'd be likely to be targeted early or reasonably early. I forget which game it was that I had read previously, but it's like the unwritten rule about Marv; in LYLO, lynch Marv. Makes very little sense in any regard to have 2 people run, passively or actively, for mayor/pardoner. Of the two, VE looks far more like scum to me than you. This I agree with, only slide the scale so that DrH is town and VE is null. Also wait where is DrH lying? Are you calling him out on lying too becasue he changed his mind and sort-of-decided to actively run at one point then backed off? 'Cause that appears to be your definition of lying across the board. Changing one's mind does not= lying.
let me help you out: Prom saying "I am not scum," getting lynched, and flipping red would be lying.
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On March 01 2013 04:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here. It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end. But how does that make me scum? On the Meta case: If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work. It makes you scum because you've been calling frantically for a vig shot waste and a mayor kill for ages with very little to go on. I admitted that part of your case has merit but I explained my thoughts on that. The rest is just useless.
As far as the meta explanation, what is DR? And yeah, I get that RL is an issue; the only times I can contribute are during downtime at school or when my 2-month old kid is asleep (read: rarely), but I have been contributing nonetheless. Why would you sign up then if you have no time to make meaningful contributions? (I'm also unsure if you're trying to excuse your play this game or last game; I'm assuming you mean this game, but you contributed more often this game in a shorter amount of time {D1}, the posts are just crappier).
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On March 01 2013 05:25 geript wrote: DR= Dominican Republic. I didn't say I didn't have time to make meaningful contributions. I think my points on VE have loads of merit. The Prome train looks like a planned bus; Mocsta is right about that. I'm interested in finding the lead cause of said bus as they're the problem. Speaking of worrying about town cred, I believe I was the first one to hint about that?
On February 28 2013 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote: Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy. And so the herd is herded. Something about this really bothers me. Maybe it's because since the Prom lynch has basically been in effect and agreed upon by most everyone in the thread since like hour 3, it makes it very easy for anyone to manipulate what people do based on this. [conspiracy theory] VE is set up on an easy case thanks to easy Prom bus and entire town puts him on the road to election. He slowly gets more and more waffly so that eventually people move off him, knowing that the town will go wherever prom gets lynched and suddenly pardoner becomes an easier role for mafia to attain. [/conspiracytheory] Obviously this isn't entirely likely and probably not a worthy bus if it was set up from the beginning but there are other ways in which the super early decision of a Prom lynch can benefit, including but not limited to the ability to hide all fucking day. Prom had better be mafia at this point, considering how much confidence was put into this without trying to adhere to any of the plans anyone else has come up with.
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And if you do have time to make meaningful contribution where have they been up until now? So you believe the bus is legit. And apparently you're trying to determine if VE is the head of it? I would expect you have more to go on than this though, and I'm actually very interested in what you have to say now; maybe you and I have come to similar conclusions (I'm not convinced of the bus just yet though).
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On March 01 2013 05:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation. So are you trying to say now that your capsrage wasn't a planned move to try and move Dr.H into the mayor slot intentionally? Maybe not on its own, but it probably was. it's the intention you're misreading. If VE is town, then he is only furthering what he originally said about him not actively trying to attain the mayor role; his own vote change to DrH confirms this. If VE is scum then you're saying he intentionally did it to try and get the pardoner position? I just don't see that as likely on its own; if the scumteam was trying to organize a bus anyway, why not put a scum member as mayor with two votes? I don't believe that DrH is scum so it doesn't make sense to give up the more powerful role to town, especially to someone as active and pro-town as he is.
It is possible they did this to try and mafia dayvig him at a later date or something (since a NK will be difficult with medics and such), but that seems too dangerous to me; for a scumteam the longer DrH is left alive the harder it becomes for them. This is all a little WIFOM-y but I'm trying to get behind your point of view here, and it doesn't quite work.
Care to clarify your thoughts on the bus plan?
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To be clear, Geript, even though you probably don't care (and neither does anyone else, regarding the response to my case, SIGH) there is something I'm looking for to make you seem less scummy to me and so far I'm not seeing it.
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On March 01 2013 06:05 geript wrote:WoS. I've repeatedly taken the position that Pardoner is a far more Pro-Scum role and far better in Scum hands' than Mayor is. As I stated in my case, VE has made multiple announcements that he was interested in pardoner and specifically tried to get the Pardoner role over the Mayor role. Considering the pressure all game to destroy the role completely I doubt that entirely. As is the role is not going to be used; I trust DrH with that. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote: It is possible they did this to try and mafia dayvig him at a later date or something (since a NK will be difficult with medics and such), but that seems too dangerous to me; for a scumteam the longer DrH is left alive the harder it becomes for them. This is all a little WIFOM-y but I'm trying to get behind your point of view here, and it doesn't quite work.
I'm unclear on your antecedent's here. Are you referring to trying to setup VE or DrH to be dayvig'd? DrH Also are you trying to say that this was setup so that I (scum geript) could call for a dayvig on VE/DrH? Because that's a pretty lousy plan. No I'm not saying that because I'm not sure how you fit into the plan I have in my head exactly. Hence the information I'm trying to get out of you to make it clear to me one way or the other. My thoughts on the bus plan. I think it was a planned bus and that one of the people leading the bus is scum. I think that VE was the driver trying to use it to gain town cred. Clear? If that's the extent of how far you think the bus goes that's not enough. I don't like that you're hiding reads directly about me as well [/b][/b]
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Ugh I fail at quotes. The above should be
On March 01 2013 06:05 geript wrote: WoS. I've repeatedly taken the position that Pardoner is a far more Pro-Scum role and far better in Scum hands' than Mayor is. As I stated in my case, VE has made multiple announcements that he was interested in pardoner and specifically tried to get the Pardoner role over the Mayor role. Considering the pressure all game to destroy the role completely I doubt that entirely. As is the role is not going to be used; I trust DrH with that.
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On March 01 2013 06:14 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 06:10 Vivax wrote: Hey VE I'm sorry to tell you, but some guy who worked in high risk psych for so long thinks there's something wrong with you.
I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on this. This is blatantly false and reeks of just trying to stir the pot. Type A personality is just that; there's nothing right or wrong with it. While sociopaths tend to have type A personalities, there's been no direct links or clear causation (just correlation). Saying someone is Type A is no more a slam or saying that something's wrong with him than saying someone is meek and mild. I'm not saying I agree with Vivax here (and kinf if a dick way of putting it, bad Vivax), but you still haven't addressed the fact that you pride yourself on these personality reads and your reads on me are wrong, and were wrong last game.
Where does that put your ability?
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On March 01 2013 06:21 geript wrote:Being wrong means I can be wrong. Is there a real point here? Yeah, my point is pretty clear I would think. It means I nor anyone else in the thread should be able to trust your reads. You're wrong this time as well if you're partially basing your case on my 'excited' activity.
Ugh this is as good a time as any to duck out until after daypost considering I've apparently brought no worthy discussion with my case and am going mostly ignored once again. If only I was scum I'd win singlehandedly. I'll be back later this evening.
Oh and I guess so I can contribute to the actual topic of conversation: my 'conspiracy theory' involves Toad in a way. The same way that DrH mentioned he think both Geript and I are town despite being against each other in ways is very different from how I feel towards Toad vs VE. I don't believe it's possible for them both to be town.
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Geript #1 reads NA. Can we lynch him yet?
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Yeah Soniv I know you're busy but wtf. Do something useful plz.
Mocsta I just saw that 'open question' you mentioned, sorry I didn't know it was directed at me. Honestly, I have absolutely no clue what the fuck Prom was talking about...scum does what scum does. Yeah I wanted pardoner but meh. I don't think it's worth wasting time over but ultimately that's up to you.
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On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
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On March 01 2013 09:19 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript #1 reads NA. Can we lynch him yet? NA? I forgot this wasn't the LoL forums haha. Read my most recent post. Thoughts on your ability to read/make cases given the most recent flip?
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On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. Sorry for not consolidating (I'll shut up for a bit after this) but if the above WIFOM-encased theory is true, I'd be leaning towards Mocsta for scum as well since he'd take my bad town NMM meta and run with anything I had done this game D1.
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##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
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On March 01 2013 09:50 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 09:42 The Milkman wrote: I cannot believe that a sane medic would leave mayor unprotected. Like, no way in hell. If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow. Why would you have protected WaveofShadow? Lol I don't even understand this one myself. I don't know vets/smurfs...which one is BC?
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On March 01 2013 09:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:50 Aquanim wrote:On March 01 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 09:42 The Milkman wrote: I cannot believe that a sane medic would leave mayor unprotected. Like, no way in hell. If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow. Why would you have protected WaveofShadow? I think he's town and the way he is posting is constructive even if I don't agree with all of his ideas. I definitely would have used it on Vayesh though. Also, I'm noticing a pattern with all of the people whose Day 1 play I feel really bad about. 1. Accepting the Prom lynch without even trying to push any alternative/look elsewhere 2. Trying to push ObviousOne/JJ as scum targets pretty hard 3. Attacking me a lot without ever calling me scum Which of my ideas don't you agree with? Insight plx, oh wise one.
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On March 01 2013 10:22 randombum wrote: I guess that came out badly, I mean it more like since my original case and who I was planning to really push for has now become less of a target in my mind I'm looking to be convinced about somebody else. If I don't find somebody worth sheeping then I'll go with jcarl. Join the flock.
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So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit. Vivax, Geript, Aquanim and DrH. Any thoughts regarding him at all before I dive in at some point in the near future?
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On March 01 2013 11:28 geript wrote: Sure. I think he's playing the same game. What'd you think of my points on toad? I'm assuming this was directed at me. I think you need to go into more detail rather than just posting one liners and quotes. Put some effort into it, it's the cool thing to do.
I agree with your comment about Mocsta playing the same game, I mean holy fuck look at his filter. I'm not so sure that means he's scum like last game though, and I really want to delve in and have a look because there's something he did that bothers me a little, though it may be coincidence. Problem is it's gonna take me forever to dive and now that half the thread has magically decided to return there's probably more important things to do. Btw, Moc, I don't need bandwagon support, I just want to see if anything specific caught their eye. I'll get to it eventually, don't worry dear.
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The chaos.....THE CHAOS So....is there gonna be a flip or can we get back to productive discussion?
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On March 01 2013 12:03 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote: The chaos.....THE CHAOS So....is there gonna be a flip or can we get back to productive discussion? Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:32 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote: So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit. Vivax, Geript, Aquanim and DrH. Any thoughts regarding him at all before I dive in at some point in the near future? Is there something in particular u want to address to me? If you feel confident I am scum.. why do you need bandwagon support? You had no problem stepping up to ask for the pardoner role.. why should this be any different? @wos No, I'm going to wait because it's going to get ignored. Too much going on right now and other people to discuss. You jes' keep doing yer thang.
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On March 01 2013 12:37 grush57 wrote: ##Shoot: Chezinu ##Vote: Toadesstern These 2 are scum... I hate my brain. + Show Spoiler +Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM
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I wait with baited breath.
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On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote:Ok i caught up. (Kinda skimmed since grushs fakeshot.) I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement. Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that? I took a look at vayesh's filter. The reads he mentioned are the following: Wade Fell + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 06:36 VayeshMoru wrote: It has come to the annuls of a man so lazy he forgot to don his mask. The shadows that adorned the face of this everywhere layer should come to reach the eyes of all. Tremble the men of black should start. The marching feet of justice shall not halt. A list of reads by VE where he thinks Toad might be third party + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 07:15 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 27 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote: We're both pretty obviously lynching Prom. I'm not sure what you're getting at. Thoughts on more than one you have. Thoughts plentiful the doctor does have. Whichever most fall in a parallel line shall be the course to the voting shine. Yeah okay. Well here's where I'm at. MilkSuckler, Toadesstern, PromethelaxClearly you've seen how Toad is trying to take credit for the Prom lynch. Milk did the same thing directly after WF's case. They have both been downright indignant about it. What do you make of that? For my part I take it as scummy. I'm town, and my thoughts when others agreed was "whew" not "That bastard is trying to take credit for what I DID!" The scrambling for acknowledgement of their contributions to the upcoming lynch reads as trying to soak up town cred to me. of those thoughts Vayesh sees one common thought. A second thought is almost in align and the third is not yet fully concluded. The amphibian seems more some mutating thing, or perhaps the one who sells spirits. The man of bovine is still not fully alluded. geript + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 09:25 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:24 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 09:21 geript wrote: Prome I have more null to null minus as it feels more like he's intentionally trying to lynch himself. Right now I'm leaning more towards RO as all his posts read to me more towards general disinterest to trying to do anything. My problem is that I'm having trouble placing the underlying emotion so that I could really place the disinterest in perspective. You have a habit of not replying to all questions directed your way. & not quoting the questions.. makes it hard to assess your filter.. I would like to assume this behaviour is not intentional.. even phone posting its not hard to click "quote" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=58#1156For the question you chose not to address (for whatever reason) the ripped man is a man of the darkness. His serpentine ways are merely a habit of his nature Here a list of DrH where he agrees: layabout JJ geript testsubject vivax + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 11:17 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. Vayesh likes the words flowing from your gallifreyan mouth. The synconization of thoughts is more alike than that of any other soul. The logical conclusion is to give you power of the death machines. Toad scum/3rd party again + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote: I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has? Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party geript again + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's explicit in my posts, I have nothing to fear. geript is scum so fear him you should not Chez scum/3rd party + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2013 08:50 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote: Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez. There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it. I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely.
Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia. Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid.
Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true.
That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said. This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red. Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case. And his death post: Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:57 VayeshMoru wrote: not sure why obviousone is on so many lists -_-
However
Jcarlsoniv Geript Junglejorge Layabout Hassy Chez
likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party.
Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party.
Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well. If you just look at the posts i quoted isolated, geript is clear winner with 4 posts about him. I do think we can find scum if we look at what he posted because there must be a reason why he got killed. He mentioned the following people (number of times they got mentioned): geript (4) toad (2) chez (2) JJ (2) layabout (2) hasyy (1) jcarlsoninv (1) wade fell (1) vivax (1) testsubject (1) I very much like this post, except for the fact that you're assuming BC knew a lot more than he was letting on without having performed any checks yet. Because of his stupid cryptic bullshit he didn't really leave us clarity of infomration so I'm not sure if we can proceed with this.
Also hai guys I'm back for a lil'.
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On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote: I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing. ##Vote Chezinu I can get behind a Chez lynch (moreso than Toad honestly) but I'd be careful of the logic. Why would town randomly shoot someone, but I can see the same thing for mafia...it seems really dumb just to out oneself that early, especially since he wasn't really a main lynch target; there were probably 3-4 other people talked about equally as much. If he is mafia then to be honest I see something malfunctioning within the scumteam.
What it would mean is that the Prom 'bus' probably wasn't a bus at all (and even though I should be ignoring it, Prom's GG post is likely true) and each member appears to be acting somewhat of their own accord, since outing 2 mafia members super early just seems like terrible play even if there is some epic scumplan behind it.
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On March 02 2013 02:58 jcarlsoniv wrote: JJ, what ever happened to you being convinced that aquanim is scum?
I'm going to assume it's because it's easier to pick off strong scumreads than weak ones. Hence my upcoming vote switch: I like the recent posts regarding Chez and I think it's enough for me to get onboard the train.
##unvote ##Vote: Chezinu
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I'm not saying Toad is out of the woods yet, but aside from DrH and Toad, each of whom have made their voting choices clear (Toad voting himself is fucking dumb) that leaves 2 votes on Toad, Mocsta and grush.
Have either of you two changed your minds on this based on the recent discussions?
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On March 02 2013 03:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 03:04 JungleJorge wrote:On March 02 2013 02:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote: I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing. ##Vote Chezinu Speak of the devil... The thing is, there wasn't any huge pressure on chez when he shot. He had suspicion cast on him, but it's not like he was about to die when he shot milkman. Also, nobody counter claimed him. I agree with DrH that it's probably unlikely that scum has a dayvig and town does not. I can't understand being in Chez's position and firing if he were scum. That's the dumbest assumption I've read. Why on earth it's unlikely that only scum has a dayvig? And Chezinu had no pressure on him? If you read the thread prior to the shot you'll see plenty of people arguing for a chez lynch. Arguing for a lynch on chez is FAR different than him being on the lynch block. People have made arguments for me being scum, but I was never really pressured either because I never felt like I was about to die. Chez isn't some newbie with cold-feet. I'd bet money that he didn't fire because he was shaking in his boots, scared of being lynched. I agree, but that doesn't mean his shot made sense. Layabout's argument summarizes that.
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EBWOP: doesnt' mean his shot made sense from a town POV. Layabout's current and earlier arguments summarize that.
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On March 02 2013 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote: EBWOP: doesnt' mean his shot made sense from a town POV. Layabout's current and earlier arguments summarize that. But it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective either. If chez was scum, he knows milkman is town, and that shooting him would raise suspicion. Shooting first as a scum day vig is risky because of counter claiming (which no one did). I raised points about that in an earlier post; the scumteam seems incredibly disorganized. The Toad flip just about confirms for me that the 'bus attempt' was essentially forced upon them or there was no bus at all.Also, doesn't scum like 3rd party roles? They make more confusion for town, and have higher chances of hitting town. So if chez thought milkman was bartender, wouldn't that be something a scum chez would want to keep around? Chez could very easily have been lying, or as layabout suggested, he doesn't give a shit.And Gg toad
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I meant to post this earlier since people were asking, but I suppose now is an appropriate time as well, make of it what you will.
I am really shocked at the amount of emotional investment people seem to put into mafia. This was one of the main reasons I assumed both VE and Toad couldn't both be town since they were constantly at each other's throats and VE was getting so unbelievably pissed off...I basically assumed that it was all some sort of scum charade since it's just forum posting.
Toad's emotional martrydom, resorting to (almost?) cheating to clear his name and flip really proved me wrong...I really am new to the mafia world.
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On March 02 2013 03:37 layabout wrote: wave do you know how much time this game takes?
what kind of person could put in so much time and not become emotionally invested?
also we aren't supposed to talk about modkills not matter how much it's tearing me up inside. I didn't really talk about the modkill, I talked about his flip. Technically he was called out about mentioning skype much earlier in the game which showed his emotional investment.
On March 02 2013 03:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I meant to post this earlier since people were asking, but I suppose now is an appropriate time as well, make of it what you will.
I am really shocked at the amount of emotional investment people seem to put into mafia. This was one of the main reasons I assumed both VE and Toad couldn't both be town since they were constantly at each other's throats and VE was getting so unbelievably pissed off...I basically assumed that it was all some sort of scum charade since it's just forum posting.
Toad's emotional martrydom, resorting to (almost?) cheating to clear his name and flip really proved me wrong...I really am new to the mafia world. That's like saying we don't get emotionally invested in LoL Also, I realize my defense is basically "it doesn't make sense", but I'm just not convinced.
Yeah Soniv I'm beginning to see that, haha. Although to be fair I'm sure there are some people who don't get emotionally invested in LoL; I'm just not one of them.
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On March 02 2013 04:28 Chezinu wrote: I think it would be time consuming to point out the flaws in people accusations at this point such as activity level =/= alignment. That just states how busy someone is, people just think I'm scum because my activity is similar to my last game which I was mafia. If you want a fair assessment you wouldn't just look at my recent games. If you know me, the majority of the games I am mafia - I was extremely acitve in thread - similar to that of town. Activity isn't an indicator.
I'm not going to bother with that. I've been saying that for far to long and people only listen to me post game. I'm just going to make my list and you can accept it or not. I have no grounds to ask for mercy at this point. So you're not going to bother defending yourself or making cases, you shoot a townie and have no basis to back it up other than the inane shit you were spewing throughout the thread?
What exactly do you expect from us based on what you've given us?
There are so many things I don't understand about how people play this game apparently. How is trolling a legitimate strategy if you're town, Chez?
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On March 02 2013 06:35 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is it true that 2 people claimed nightvig? I would be ok with lynching chez then This looks like a scum slip to me. Like someone in scum QT wrote there are 2 vigs (referring to Chez/Vivax) and he came over here with the assumption of 2 night vigs. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 01 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: To be clear, Geript, even though you probably don't care (and neither does anyone else, regarding the response to my case, SIGH) there is something I'm looking for to make you seem less scummy to me and so far I'm not seeing it. I'm with you but I'm kinda under direct attack right now. I doubted it before but the absolute tenacity of this reeks of "I'm just under orders". I had the feeling before that WoS was scripting things. After thinking about Chez more, I buy him as town day big. I think he's right on with his list. HAHA you do realize VE was talking about YOU, right?
Good luck with your lynch vote.
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You keep putting yourself right back on my radar Geript. You're lucky that there are people who look way scummier than you today, but when Chez flips red this pretty much seals your fate.
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Yeah I'm done dealing with Geript, his weak as hell reads, his weak as hell presence in the thread, his lack of proper defence, martyring, you name it.
Lol damn it DrH your presence is so ridiculous everyone is gonna think I'm sheeping you on it D3.
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Well as of now we're lynching Chez anyway...I think. Vote count?
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On March 02 2013 14:38 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 13:43 Wade Fell wrote: also geript is clearly chez' scumbuddy Are you dumb? You think I'm Chez's scumbuddy aye? Then why aren't you voting for me instead? You're a good enough player to actively think. If Chez had a second shot (as scum), then he likely would've taken if it were available. As there is nothing in the rules that I see against firing twice in one day (you can correct me if I'm wrong), then I think he would've taken it as scum. If you think that we're scum buddies, then you SHOULD be voting for me. I thought you were a good plaery BH? If Chez is scum and out of bullets, then you should be removing my scum role from the game. This is pretty shady either way. I'm suspicious of almost everyone at this point and quite frankly I don't give a fuck about this game anymore; all this game is is a vet circle jerk anyways. I still think the Doc's not town; I dropped the Doc case because I thought I had a much stronger case on VE. I was wrong. Who cares; I don't. I was happy when I got 1 case right in the last game. I still think WoS is scum. I still think VE was talking about talking about WoS. The tend to push what's my strongest read at the time. You don't like it, deal with it. Since the only way I see to push my reads at this point is prove their reads wrong, then PLEASE VOTE FOR ME!!!!! Note: If you think that Chez is scum and I'm not, then you need to vote for Chez. But if you think that we're both scum, then VOTE FOR ME! I love it. Simple reading comprehension, my friend. Use your big ol' brains. I suppose you've been using 'em well so far, BUT WAIT:
On March 01 2013 04:37 geript wrote: Dr.H I have you on null plus now after rereading your posts. A liar, ok, but that in and of itself isn't damning and not enough to get you lynched. While I'm not fond of lying in this game in general, I can at least admit to it's usefulness at points. You're keep your own council as is evident by your posts.
Yes I thought about both of you being scum, but both of you being scum makes very little game play sense in the long term as I would expect (as town) you'd be likely to be targeted early or reasonably early. I forget which game it was that I had read previously, but it's like the unwritten rule about Marv; in LYLO, lynch Marv. Makes very little sense in any regard to have 2 people run, passively or actively, for mayor/pardoner. Of the two, VE looks far more like scum to me than you. Referring to DrH.
On March 01 2013 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: To be clear, Geript, even though you probably don't care (and neither does anyone else, regarding the response to my case, SIGH) there is something I'm looking for to make you seem less scummy to me and so far I'm not seeing it. I'm with you but I'm kinda under direct attack right now. I doubted it before but the absolute tenacity of this reeks of "I'm just under orders".
Here 's your most recent example of how VE was 'agreeing' with your thoughts about my posts being scripted. What a long dark tunnel it has been my friend. Let's help you out with the reading comprehension, shall we?
I'm with you Who's quote is he responding to? Mine.
I'm kinda under direct attack right now. Well let's look at the context, shall we? Who was directly attacking him at the time?
On March 01 2013 05:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation. So are you trying to say now that your capsrage wasn't a planned move to try and move Dr.H into the mayor slot intentionally?
On March 01 2013 03:50 geript wrote: You're trying to suggest that it's malicious misrepresentation at worst and in the least you're saying that it's totally off base while wholly twisting your words. Anyone who actually reads your filter will see that you've lied left and right about everything.
On March 01 2013 04:15 geript wrote: Let me reiterate, to call the logic as being bad (in the least) without addressing it in specific is just calling someone stupid. If you want to defend yourself, then point out where I'm wrong. Point out how you haven't been trying to grab pardoner all of D1. Point out where you have been "100% deadset on lynching Prom" only to back out at the last second and later admit that you considered pulling shennannies because he was such a solid D2 lynch. Yes, you've told the truth at points too; I didn't say that you haven't been truthful at all. Just that you've wholly lied about your intentions left and right and that you are not to be trusted.
Oh yeah, YOU.
I doubted it before but the absolute tenacity of this reeks of "I'm just under orders" Now that we've established that he's talking to me ABOUT YOU, I'm going to assume, considering basic English sentence/thought structure that here he was ALSO TALKING TO ME ABOUT YOU. You know, about your ridiculous tunneling.
The only thing I don't agree with in terms of VE's q
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On March 02 2013 14:38 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 13:43 Wade Fell wrote: also geript is clearly chez' scumbuddy Are you dumb? You think I'm Chez's scumbuddy aye? Then why aren't you voting for me instead? You're a good enough player to actively think. If Chez had a second shot (as scum), then he likely would've taken if it were available. As there is nothing in the rules that I see against firing twice in one day (you can correct me if I'm wrong), then I think he would've taken it as scum. If you think that we're scum buddies, then you SHOULD be voting for me. I thought you were a good plaery BH? If Chez is scum and out of bullets, then you should be removing my scum role from the game. This is pretty shady either way. I'm suspicious of almost everyone at this point and quite frankly I don't give a fuck about this game anymore; all this game is is a vet circle jerk anyways. I still think the Doc's not town; I dropped the Doc case because I thought I had a much stronger case on VE. I was wrong. Who cares; I don't. I was happy when I got 1 case right in the last game. I still think WoS is scum. I still think VE was talking about talking about WoS. The tend to push what's my strongest read at the time. You don't like it, deal with it. Since the only way I see to push my reads at this point is prove their reads wrong, then PLEASE VOTE FOR ME!!!!! Note: If you think that Chez is scum and I'm not, then you need to vote for Chez. But if you think that we're both scum, then VOTE FOR ME! I love it. Simple reading comprehension, my friend. Use your big ol' brains. I suppose you've been using 'em well so far, BUT WAIT:
On March 01 2013 04:37 geript wrote: Dr.H I have you on null plus now after rereading your posts. A liar, ok, but that in and of itself isn't damning and not enough to get you lynched. While I'm not fond of lying in this game in general, I can at least admit to it's usefulness at points. You're keep your own council as is evident by your posts.
Yes I thought about both of you being scum, but both of you being scum makes very little game play sense in the long term as I would expect (as town) you'd be likely to be targeted early or reasonably early. I forget which game it was that I had read previously, but it's like the unwritten rule about Marv; in LYLO, lynch Marv. Makes very little sense in any regard to have 2 people run, passively or actively, for mayor/pardoner. Of the two, VE looks far more like scum to me than you. Referring to DrH. VE looks MORE like scum. Oh wise Geript, please tell us more!
On March 01 2013 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: To be clear, Geript, even though you probably don't care (and neither does anyone else, regarding the response to my case, SIGH) there is something I'm looking for to make you seem less scummy to me and so far I'm not seeing it. I'm with you but I'm kinda under direct attack right now. I doubted it before but the absolute tenacity of this reeks of "I'm just under orders".
Here 's your most recent example of how VE was 'agreeing' with your thoughts about my posts being scripted. What a long dark tunnel it has been my friend. Let's help you out with the reading comprehension, shall we?
I'm with you Who's quote is he responding to? Mine.
I'm kinda under direct attack right now. Well let's look at the context, shall we? Who was directly attacking him at the time?
On March 01 2013 05:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation. So are you trying to say now that your capsrage wasn't a planned move to try and move Dr.H into the mayor slot intentionally?
On March 01 2013 03:50 geript wrote: You're trying to suggest that it's malicious misrepresentation at worst and in the least you're saying that it's totally off base while wholly twisting your words. Anyone who actually reads your filter will see that you've lied left and right about everything.
On March 01 2013 04:15 geript wrote: Let me reiterate, to call the logic as being bad (in the least) without addressing it in specific is just calling someone stupid. If you want to defend yourself, then point out where I'm wrong. Point out how you haven't been trying to grab pardoner all of D1. Point out where you have been "100% deadset on lynching Prom" only to back out at the last second and later admit that you considered pulling shennannies because he was such a solid D2 lynch. Yes, you've told the truth at points too; I didn't say that you haven't been truthful at all. Just that you've wholly lied about your intentions left and right and that you are not to be trusted.
Oh yeah, YOU.
I doubted it before but the absolute tenacity of this reeks of "I'm just under orders" Now that we've established that he's talking to me ABOUT YOU, I'm going to assume, considering basic English sentence/thought structure that here he was ALSO TALKING TO ME ABOUT YOU. You know, about your ridiculous tunneling.
The only thing I don't agree with in terms of VE's quote here is where he says 'under direct orders.' I don't believe that because if Chez turns out to be scum you guys are a real shit scumteam. No orders there, you and Chez are probably just acting of your own accord, making dumb plays and getting yourselves lynched. I mean why not, right? Prom did it?
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Ugh for fuck sakes I double posted that case by accident. Ignore the earlier one. Wish I could delete.
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And now you vote yourself? What is with all the fucking martyring? If you guys are all so dissatisfied with how town is treating you, STOP SHITPOSTING AND CONTRIBUTE.
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You know what Geript, at this point I wish we had another dayvig to ice you right now. Even IF you're town, your reads are worse than useless and all they do is serve to confound the people who are actually trying lynch scum (myself included). I'm sorely tempted to change my vote to you for D2 but Chezinu is scummier. By just a hair.
Give me something else to go on. I dare you.
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Llulz in before I get tunneled on 'another dayvig.' Guess mebbe you and I are gonna be in the same boat DrH?
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Well since it's just us two, any thoughts other than Chez/Geript? I know Vivax was a hot topic early D1 but I can't tell if that's been dropped or not...
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On March 02 2013 15:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm kind of tired and actually not completely sold on Chezinu, I can't imagine an invested townie would play the way he is playing but what a game we're having. Toadesstern gave up on the game like 2 hours into the day because I accused him and voted for himself, it's really bumming me out. I can't help myself when there is a setup issue like this I'll second-guess myself in circles over and over and over again like a dog chasing it's own tail. Still can't figure why he'd accuse me considering I'm the only vocal townie to actually defend him in any meaningful way. I'd rather lynch Geript for today personally because I have clearer thoughts about that. It's stuff like all the self-voting that made me ask about the emotional investment thing I said earlier. Does this kind of thing happen often? Like...you play the game and it doesn't go how you want it so you try and bitch out?
That and the trolling are two things I don't quite get.
Chez explained that he does it to 'read reactions,' and I know nothing about his past game history but to me it doesn't entirely seem possible to base good reads on reaction to trolling and nonsense. Like would we not have gotten a little more info out of BC's death if he wasn't posting cryptically? And wouldn't most of us not be on TMM(iamp?)'s ass if he didn't start the game 'in character' and not giving a shit?
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On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote: If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling.
I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed.
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Apparently? This whole game might prove to geript something about his skills but only time will tell. In any case, I'm done getting baited into discussion with/about him; it's futile and there's enough damning evidence on him to get him killed tomorrow after Chez anyway.
Now WHERE IS EVERYONE
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SO LET'S TALK ABOUT MOCSTA
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Lol, Milksuckler. Hell let's talk about anybody.
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On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote: If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm. LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique Nice DE-LURK i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game This. And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous.
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And DrH I brought up the meta points regarding geript before and he defended himself using RL without explaining himself further.
On March 01 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:54 geript wrote:On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here. It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like. On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end. But how does that make me scum? On the Meta case: If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work. It makes you scum because you've been calling frantically for a vig shot waste and a mayor kill for ages with very little to go on. I admitted that part of your case has merit but I explained my thoughts on that. The rest is just useless. As far as the meta explanation, what is DR? And yeah, I get that RL is an issue; the only times I can contribute are during downtime at school or when my 2-month old kid is asleep (read: rarely), but I have been contributing nonetheless. Why would you sign up then if you have no time to make meaningful contributions? (I'm also unsure if you're trying to excuse your play this game or last game; I'm assuming you mean this game, but you contributed more often this game in a shorter amount of time {D1}, the posts are just crappier).
Why does no one pay attention to my cases.
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On March 03 2013 03:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote: If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm. LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique Nice DE-LURK i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game This. And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous. Looking at last game, townie geript would be curious about understanding your reasoning and probably fall back when coming into new information. Any townie would. Geript isn't doing that. When he actually pointed out the one thing about me that would be a reasonable argument (it's untrue, but if he really thinks I'm a liar stealing pardoner he should have been pushing me yesterday) he then comes out and says I've been saying a lot of stuff that makes him think I'm town but can't say what it is. Now he's completely unwilling to listen to anything I have to say. This all happened after a PROVEN NONEXISTENT SCUMSLIP that he refuses to acknowledge right now. There is no way Geript is town.
I still kind of want to move the discussion on, but now it seems there might be a chance geript gets lynched today rather than Chez? I'd love to see both of them die anyway but to me it still seems as though Chez is more important, unless you count the fact that we've been talking about them all damn day, and Geript somehow manages to steer the discussion towards himself constantly to prevent useful discussion of anything else. He's not getting any scummier folks; time to make a decision one way or the other so we know where we stand.
Mocsta, geript does bring up a point that he referred to your play being different D1. I agree with him actually, it certainly does look as you were disguising your play (obviously, I suppose, you're smurfing) but you dropped it near the end of day one before your smurf-slip. The thing ISSSSSS......(and I don't really like the idea of meta cases either, especially on someone more experienced) your play this game now seems much closer to yours last game where you were scum.
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On March 03 2013 03:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Why does no one pay attention to my cases. Because some people are more focused on jerking each other off and picking on newbies than anything else. I can't wait until I get to be a vig, I'm only going to shoot out of spite. Geript, this is a personal plea to you, regardless of alignment. If you so believe that this is how people are treating you, PROVE THEM OTHERWISE. You're not doing very much to lift suspicion on yourself (and don't say you can't, because it's definitely possible, you've just given up) and it has nothing to do with the fact that you're new. I'm new as well and every time people bring up points regarding me I do my best to explain and/or defend them as well as coming up with more reads.
Now I have nothing against you personally, but I think your play is extremely scummy. I have explained why. Unless you are some third-party role or there is some crazy plan that explains all this, martyring yourself as it currently stands isn't going to mean all that much. Play the game to get better, don't give up.
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On March 03 2013 04:00 layabout wrote:Btw if a thread has not been posted in for (i think it's 4 hours) then the folder by it turns from red to yellow. It's absurd that it would happen in this game. Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 23:41 layabout wrote: why the hell is a 142 day2 thread in the yellow? Hence the complaining last night that the atmosphere was abysmal. I think it was like 3-4 people for 8 hours+
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On March 03 2013 04:01 geript wrote: Nope, wrong. If you think I'm scum, I've already pointed out that you should kill me today then. Alright, your attitude has been made very clear. I'm not going to get baited however and 1) my vote is staying on Chez for today, and 2) I think discussion needs to be moved off of geript one way or the other. People need to decide so we can move on, please.
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On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote: Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBumOn March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote: Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu?What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on. His play recently looks like real standard scum. Hard defends Chez, possible scumbuddy, randomly asks questions to a whole bunch of people ABOUT a whole bunch of people, a LOT of game-theory posts without adding anything particularly useful, no cases of his own (except for one on JJ which he promptly drops), no providing his own leads.
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On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote: I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.
Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum. The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred. I think any argument towards Geript at this point is completely useless at this point considering he's not actively trying to defend himself; rather he picks and chooses what he's going to ignore and what he's going to respond to and whether he feels on acting martyr-y at the moment.
According to ME, (since we didn't have a vote count too recently), Vote count is 13 for Chez and 6 for Geript right now, so that does not make him likely To get lynched in ~2.5 hours(?) At least I hope not; as I've stated before I really just don't feel like giving him what he appears to want. If he really wants to be lynched that badly he can wait a day. Chez is more important in my eyes; I don't care what Geript flips as much as I do Chez.
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One hour to go. LET THE VOTE SWITCHING SHENANIGANS BEGIN! (But seriously, y'all better not.)
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On March 03 2013 07:59 layabout wrote: I don't want to play in this game anymore So vote for yourself. It's the cool thing to do.
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Did your conversation with your mason partner have anything to do with why you shot Milkman?
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See then here's the issue...you probably need to die either so way so we know you're telling the truth? If so it means we may have mafia mason or JOAT on our hands....ugh.
I dunno I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not switching.
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On March 03 2013 08:35 WaveofShadow wrote: See then here's the issue...you probably need to die either so way so we know you're telling the truth? If so it means we may have mafia mason or JOAT on our hands....ugh.
I dunno I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not switching. And because I've given fair warning on not switching, I refuse to have a no-lynch be on my head.
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YEEEEEEEEE So happy the voteswitch didn't happen. Now let's see...
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On March 03 2013 09:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 09:07 geript wrote: Well I think that I don't need to check this thread anymore. Why not? Props to Chez for that IRC stuff it would probably have gotten to vote switch if I saw it earlier. GG. Yeah I do gotta give him props for that. It was a really good last-minute attempt, though I imagine most people who were going to change to Geript had their minds made up already. I wish I had picked up on the crumbing though; still something I'm terrible at.
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On March 03 2013 09:29 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 09:23 geript wrote: I appreciate it BH, but I don't think there's a point. don't be a Negative Nancy. Look, let's say hypothetically you are in fact Town, AND nothing you do or say will prevent you from getting lynched. This is the worst case scenario, and from your constant incessant whiny bitching, it is what you appear to believe. You're a reasonably bright guy: you have 72 hours to hunt scum, and then you will be lynched, and after you flip, you're a confirmed townie. What this means is, If you wrote like 3 great cases on the 3 remaining scum between now and getting flipped, we can say "oh, geript is a confirmed townie, in fact one of the few who wrote cases" since you will literally be mod-confirmed. We'll read the cases and they will be valued to the town. And that's in the worst case scenario, where we 100% lynch you. 72 hours, and you can be more helpful to this town than anyone, including me-- even if you get lynched. If I were you and I were a townie, I would use my time as best I could to win the game. You win as a townie, even if you're dead at the end, when the town wins. If I were you and I were scum, though, I'd keep whining and find excuses to bitch, moan, and not contribute between now and getting lynched. Your call. I'm pretty sure we've tried explaining this kind of stuff to him but he seems pretty set. When he flips, we'll find out why.
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There are 3 mafia left and maybe a 3rd party. Since we haven't really hit mafia lurkers yet (and there's bound to be one, considering how many we have) I'm thinking we need to start looking there as well...problem is there are so many targets to hit before than (Soniv, Geript). Neither of these two are going to give adequate defenses to make me doubt killing them (Soniv because he's lurky as fuck this game and doesn't contribute, and Geript 'cause he's either being an epic baby or he has an epic plan; either way we find out when he dies), so vigs (Vivax?) one of those two for sure. As for tomorrow we'll see where we stand based on which of them die tonight. Hopefully both.
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EBWOP: so many targets to hit before them
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Oh sorry to ignore your post Mocsta. I've been meaning to get to you since yesterday but your filter is always so goddamn wtfhuge. Let's see how tonight goes down first, and if it so happens we're short on scum targets tomorrow it may be worth giving it a go. (This doesn't mean I think you're scum specifically, it just means I have to give your filter a dive 'cause I see a pattern. You're null for me right now.)
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On March 03 2013 10:19 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh sorry to ignore your post Mocsta. I've been meaning to get to you since yesterday but your filter is always so goddamn wtfhuge. Let's see how tonight goes down first, and if it so happens we're short on scum targets tomorrow it may be worth giving it a go. (This doesn't mean I think you're scum specifically, it just means I have to give your filter a dive 'cause I see a pattern. You're null for me right now.) If your null on me whatevz, but can you at least do the courtesy and tell me what you dont like in my play. All game, you have tried to sow doubt on me, by asking the opinion of others.. Theres a reason no-one has obliged. If its purely, you think I am playing a similar game as scum; fine, that is your choice. But you have shown no mentality that is common between the games other than statement of opinion. You're right, which is why I suggest dropping it for now. You're on my radar after the rest of this shit goes down, that's all. (Another major reason why I don't want to go through the gargantuan effort of sifting through your filter is because chances are my case will go ignored anyway. I'm not sure if it's Geript's 'newbie factor' or if people think what I post is genuinely not worth addressing or what.)
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On March 03 2013 14:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote: Tho if geript is scum then we got this in the bag. Scumteam should just give up if we get 3 lynch in a row As is they only get 1 KP tonight. If it goes as expected considering the number of deaths D1 should we expect only one death tonight or do we think they double-loaded bullets onto someone?
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On March 03 2013 17:24 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end.
There have been lots of little things that have bugged me about WoS. Call it tunneling, call it confirmation bias, call it whatever you want. Now I'll admit that the bolded phrase could be taken to mean, "VE is clearly town." But isn't the simplest way of saying that as doing just that. This phrasing makes it sound to me like he knows the right place to be looking. More to come. More tunneling to come. Looking forward to it.
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I grow weary of these games. COME AT ME, GERIPT, FOR I AM FEARLESS HAVE AT THEE
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On March 03 2013 17:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 17:43 Aquanim wrote:On March 03 2013 17:09 Mocsta wrote: It is the way he chooses to push his agenda.
I think there is a clear difference in that behaviour.
Yeah I have no idea what this means. Could you be more explicit? What is different in the way he "pushes his agenda"? alsi in a bigger game i think it is easier to have different opinions. Not sure why u think there is less tolerance.
I would quote wade yelling at everyone for not voting chezinu two hours into day two, and toad and layabout calling everyone terrible for not considering them confirmed town, etc. etc. but you know what I can't be assed. Im not home. Will flesh this out for u day3. Frankly i cant see how u see similarities in play. But will deal with yhis day3 assuming i am around It's probably a little harder for him considering he wasn't in the game. I'm actually so excited for Geript's upcoming case, what's he gonna bring to da table this time?
I'm kinda tempted to just leave it to other people to pick apart for once since both our cases kinda get ignored a lot.
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Oh wait Geipt you're doing a stream of consciousness on random people in the game and not just me? I am disappoint.
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On March 03 2013 18:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: borderline personality disorder? Dr Geript, Analyst Extraordinaire strikes again.
Really wish he would leave that RL shit out of it if that's what he's doing.
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I'm not even sure what you're talking about here, but one thing stuck out to me, really.
On March 03 2013 18:24 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 17:51 Mocsta wrote: It is the way he chooses to push his agenda.
I think there is a clear difference in that behaviour. Look, there's really not a point. Honestly. My filter looks different at points and in some regards. He can point to size/vets/coaching, you can point to the fact that there's a difference. I can point to the fact in 12 games, I've gotten LVT in 10 of them (one of them I was mafia). Either way, I think that barring something completely crazy I can put the 11nth on the mantle with the rest. So I'd appreciate it if you'd just shut the fuck up about my play entirely as you're literally judging me on the best game I've played and there's no real way to defend myself this game. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN TRIED.
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On March 03 2013 23:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:Geript: I appreciate that you are starting to contribute (or at least trying to). As Wade said, tossing out your town reads isn't really all that helpful. I'm curious to see what happens with Hassy. I'm assuming he'll be modkilled with the day post, so we may find our answers to his alignment at that point. Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:36 Aquanim wrote:On March 03 2013 20:30 geript wrote: No, I thought he was town while you were attacking him. Call it starsenses, call it whatever you want. In rereading, and specifically thinking that the dude is disengaged from the game. Nothing particularly scummy about not wanting to play but feeling obligated to. Yeah I can sympathise with that. But it's whatever man, I think we're all agreed that I'm getting lynched tomorrow so you really shouldn't have to worry about it; like we all know that no matter what I flip, everyone's going to be saying "no reason to read him, dude's terrible." If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear. Um...what? Care to explain? I have a gymnastics meet today, so I'll be unavailable the majority of the day. And every day, lurker scum. Oh boy, I'm so excited for the prospect of listening to another day of geript's retarded reads and tunneling. Oh well you guys are welcome to follow up on his reads if you want, but I'm basically ignoring everything that's come out of his mouth at this point.
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Ohai Test. I did comment on it:
On March 03 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote: If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm. LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique Nice DE-LURK i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game This.And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous.
As far as Geript goes honestly I'm sick and tired of him. That's why I'm being antagonistic I guess; because he is continuously calling me scum without any real basis to it while pushing out about 100 other reads, and since, knowing my alignment, I know how ridiculous his read on me is (and his fail on VE) I can extrapolate to his others. It's really frustrating having someone calling you scum all game for no reason. (Soniv's recent post apparently shows that, though I wouldn't say mine is without reason.)
ANYHOW I am done talking about Geript as I stated before. That is the absolute last time I am going to answer any questions about him. You can read my filter if there's anything you want to know about my stance towards him, I've probably repeated everything about 8 times now. I'll be back later after daypost.
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Lol so...gg? I have no reads right now other than Geript/jcarlsoniv so I believe I'm going to be mostly useless today.
I'm not 100% sure of myself though, so is there a way we can for sure rule anybody out yet? Vivax I guess?
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In this mafia game:
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I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
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On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
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On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
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Oh yeah and just to be sure I don't have to listen to him for another day, ##Vote: Geript
And I will not be switching my vote: I've made it clear that scum or town, he is messing up the game for the rest of town right now and he needs to be gone.
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Which is why that point is what makes me think he could be 3rd party; the fact that he legit didn't KNOW what Chez was going to flip and he took a gamble, hoping a green flip after a strong defense would clear his name to lurk for the rest of the game.
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On March 04 2013 14:25 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 14:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah and just to be sure I don't have to listen to him for another day, ##Vote: Geript
And I will not be switching my vote: I've made it clear that scum or town, he is messing up the game for the rest of town right now and he needs to be gone. Why do you feel the need to justify your vote when you've been pushing me the whole game? Why do you feel the need to continue talking, while spewing nothing of value? Here's another thing I'm going to make very clear: this post is the very last time I will be responding to topics directed to me about you or by you. I refuse to contribute to this shitty atmosphere.
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On March 04 2013 14:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's hard to be interested in this game when it seems like scum seemingly aren't even trying. Luckily, I have the next two days off so I will pay attention. Has anything happened except for Geript being snarky and refusing to share his thoughts and everyone repeating the same things over and over? Narp.
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On March 04 2013 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's hard to be interested in this game when it seems like scum seemingly aren't even trying. Luckily, I have the next two days off so I will pay attention. Has anything happened except for Geript being snarky and refusing to share his thoughts and everyone repeating the same things over and over? Narp. Figures Anyway I'm pretty set on Vivax being SK. Explains his anti-town behavior. If you are SK Vivax, you should claim. Your best shot is to claim and promise to town that you will hit our best scum candidates to stay alive longer and hope you can force some kind of weird situation where you can actually win the game. Unless scum RB's you indefinitely you'll be found out anyway. I think that's how it works anyway. This game is weird, not in a setup way but it just feels like everything has collapsed and now we're just gonna keep lynching lurkers/spammers until town wins.
Or this amirite?
On March 04 2013 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Honestly scum are fucked just as a numbers game. Even if BH and me were both scum no way could we trench out to lylo I'd be impressed.
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Well I don't think we have to worry about Hassy. It's only a matter of time. Also I'm 95% sure glurio is town.
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On March 04 2013 15:45 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 15:34 JungleJorge wrote: 2) Mafia forgot to send in their actions. That means aqua is lying and thus scum. Says nothing about vivax alignment. Seems unilkely as aqua would be better served not claiming the RB in the first place.
You reckon that if they did that they wouldn't have sent the RB either. Couldn't it have been a town RB?
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Alrighty. Seeing those last couple posts from Geript means I will revert my earlier decision to not be a part of discussion about or by him. I look forward to reading his case about me and we'll see if this one has some merit; and the very least it'll help him learn more in the post-game as it seems the process of learning has already begun. It'll also put some life back into this dead game for me; maybe I'll actually have to put some effort in since I haven't had to in quite a while.
I will NOT, however, be changing my vote; as was stated by Geript himself, DrH and Mocsta, the ship has mostly sailed on your usefulness (barring what you have to bring to the table over the next 24h) and the toxicity you have brought to this game, whether scum or town, is not worth me deciding to keep you alive.
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Warning: Fluff + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2013 08:40 MilkSuckler wrote: Well unfortunately he responds in a manner difficult to respond to.
The thing is he has been consistent in this approach all game. Suggesting a player tilted from the when his mayor campaign was insta-rejected.
If scum, I would expect even novice level to change gears and try to save themselves.
Not geript.
He still chooses to be a bulldozer with an undersized engine.
I think that is much more synonymous with bad town play than shore scum play.
Again look at aquanim and his approach to entering all lynches. This guy loves Beijing the critical thinker when town and putting down all others who are impulsive and obnoxious, if he thinks you`re not contributing... He tells y.
There is none of that this game except for an rb which has no basis. Lynch aquanim Autocorrect? I laughed.
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On March 05 2013 09:40 geript wrote: Besides if you want that truly impressive performance and ego bump that's a sure incontestable winner, then you're going to need to name 3 straight to lynch as you werent the lead on Prome and I won't be that. Pssst. I'll tell you a secret. + Show Spoiler +
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On March 05 2013 09:53 MilkSuckler wrote: Geript.. I have again offered an olive branch. This is the last time I will extend this.
Your conversation with your top scum target WoS.. reads very forced.
Frankly I don't care what you do in real life, and I judge you on your on-game ability, not your apparent skills from profession.
Bring out your WoS case as promised, I will judge fairly; and will do my best to ensure it is fairly judged across the board.
I expect a well-reasoned, rational case removed of fallacies, in particular emotion. That you are back to actively communicating (instead of yelling) suggests your mindset is capable of producing this quality, please deliver. Pretty sure he's mostly ignoring me and talking to WF. Anyway, bring on the case!
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On March 05 2013 13:25 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 13:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Sorry if you're going to hate me forever for getting you lynched. I don't look down on you at all and I'd hope you can just keep on playing and improving. I'm actually quite sure it has nothing to do with getting me lynched. If that we're the case then if dislike VE and Vayesh as I was on their lists. Wait now I'm confused. Do you hate me too?
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On March 05 2013 14:52 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 14:39 geript wrote: Even if I did, the game would still go on regardless. You guys still have 2 to find plus the possible 3rd party. *buddying *+1 *desire to not be looked at *desire to appear engaged *desire to be noticed without discussed *never taking an actual hard stance *making a case but not pushing it whatsoever *displaced emotions *natural defensiveness without showing same/similiar responses to previous pressure (NMM36) There you go, enjoy. Now I concede and you still have 2 scum and a possible 3rd party to catch. Yes, I can agree with much of that. Its funny this whole VE/WoS/Geript menage trois. Apparently VE was speaking about you feeling scripted... but.. for me.. its WoS who was scripted. Specifically here: + Show Spoiler [WoS scripted] +On February 26 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok I'm back. Just kidding about lurking, y'all! Appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion, Aquanim. Let's see what my extremely extensive D1 filter has reeled in. Oh look, a wild Promethelax who drops a scumread on me along with this timeless wisdom: Show nested quote +I can't read him on meta because I haven't played with him. Which is why I read him on behaviour instead. You were a scum coach in his one townie game. Do you have any insight you wanna share? At which point VE can't even contribute because I apparently 'lurked hard' D1 in my NMM game (despite the fact that if he even took 5 seconds to look at my filter from that game I was one of the highest post counts that day, well above the real lurkers in that game). Real strong cases to go on D1 guys, bravo. /golfclap In other news, there are 5 people who have yet to post and 5 possible scum. COINCIDENCE? Your fate is sealed unfortunately, but I more than support WoS to be the next lynch. Meh. I have no desire to write up a long and complicated defense for it to be completely ineffective as to the outcome of the game. There are more important people who have contributed and done far less in this game, and arguably look 50x more scummy that that crap you dug up on me.
If at some point throughout any support is garnered towards my lynch then I'll put in the effort, but right now I see absolutely no reason. I am in no danger.
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On March 05 2013 15:20 MilkSuckler wrote:You forgot to add (yet) at the end Well it won't be for a while in any case. I'm not sure exactly what kind of support a Geript-led campaign is going to pick up considering he's written himself off; knowing what I know I have no reason to trust his reads nor should anyone else and I have made cases explaining as such. Hell I'm not even worried about NK possibility because not only am I not a high-priority target (since I'm not as useful as the vets have been) but thanks to yours and Geript's suspicion I bet scum will assume you guys'll lynch me at some point and leave my death up to town. If I DO die, it wouldn't matter either because the game right now is heavily in town's favour and it's gonna take a lot more than one mislynch to turn the tide. Worst case scenario, you flip me D4 and Soniv gets implicated. Best case, I prove my innocence to the powers that be and Soniv (or Aquanim? Still want Soniv) dies. Win-win for me.
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I LEARNED FROM LAST GAME BOYOS I AM FEARLESS IN THE FACE OF (weak) ADVERSITY
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On March 05 2013 15:42 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 15:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I LEARNED FROM LAST GAME BOYOS I AM FEARLESS IN THE FACE OF (weak) ADVERSITY Whatever If you need a recap Player X: I think WaveOfShadow is town but I will make a fake case against him to gauge reactions <Case Released> WaveOfShaows: umm thats a really good case, I dont have a defense other than I will try harder yeah.... fearless indeed lol But FEAR NOT, for when I start to shove my town foot up yo' ass, you will know it Yeah last time I sniveled away when under pressure because I had no idea what else to do. This time I'm not. BRING IT MOCSTA BRING IT HARRRRDDDDD
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On March 05 2013 15:56 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 15:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 05 2013 15:42 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 05 2013 15:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I LEARNED FROM LAST GAME BOYOS I AM FEARLESS IN THE FACE OF (weak) ADVERSITY Whatever If you need a recap Player X: I think WaveOfShadow is town but I will make a fake case against him to gauge reactions <Case Released> WaveOfShaows: umm thats a really good case, I dont have a defense other than I will try harder yeah.... fearless indeed lol But FEAR NOT, for when I start to shove my town foot up yo' ass, you will know it Yeah last time I sniveled away when under pressure because I had no idea what else to do. This time I'm not. BRING IT MOCSTA BRING IT HARRRRDDDDD Im not bringing anything cos you asked. I am waiting for a flip just like everyone else, and will see what that changes. As far as I am concerned, out of the remaining ?16 players, there prob 6-10 I couldnt give a shit to who gets lynched first. You're on the list. But I bored.
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Wouldn't the mutant shooting himself be against his win-con?
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On March 06 2013 06:50 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 06 2013 06:40 Aquanim wrote:On March 06 2013 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I had to guess based on my gut who that would be it would be WoS or BlazingHand. You think scum BH would have hard-bussed Chezinu day 2 like he did, reducing scum KP to ONE? 0.o 0.o 0.o It's something I would do If geript flips town we should definitely think about lynching WF Nah. You're a much better target. Also I don't know whether to be honoured or insulted since more and more people seem to think half of what I write is scripted.
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On March 06 2013 07:46 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2013 06:50 grush57 wrote:On March 06 2013 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 06 2013 06:40 Aquanim wrote:On March 06 2013 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I had to guess based on my gut who that would be it would be WoS or BlazingHand. You think scum BH would have hard-bussed Chezinu day 2 like he did, reducing scum KP to ONE? 0.o 0.o 0.o It's something I would do If geript flips town we should definitely think about lynching WF Nah. You're a much better target. Also I don't know whether to be honoured or insulted since more and more people seem to think half of what I write is scripted. k gl Great contribution. Thanks for participating! WTB 5 vigs.
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Meh. I'm disappointed that Hassybaby was town. Now maybe we can breathe some life into this game since it was all sucked out completely over the past few days. (GG both of you btw.)
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Lol Mocsta what the fuck? I thought you were massively misposting or something, you actually want me to do that? Alright give me a bit. And I'll say a few things before I start: I don't regret lynching Geript. For those (such as JJ) who think his lynch was a mistake, just look at his play. He made himself impossible to ignore, and impossible not to lynch. Remember his reads, his gameplay and remember what I'm saying now, and we'll see where D4 takes us.
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Good lord these lists. Haha I'm really interested in seeing what you think you can learn from this; hell I could just pick any of these and order them any way I want just to see how you'll react.
On March 06 2013 09:14 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS..Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) Lessee...Layabout first and I dunno 'bout the other two. OO, Random?Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) Grush, Aqua, GlurioPlease order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) I'm very unsure as to these three. The vig claim from Vivax kinda has me convinced tbh, but there's always SK possibility...it'll be easier to tell after night. Probs the order they're already in.Please order these 3 in scumminess (scummiest first) I think you're probably the scummiest out of all three. WF/DrH tied. If you want 12 reasons as to these twelve reads then gl, 'cause it'll be a while. I'm honestly not sure what you hope to gain from this besides some massively fucked up association case. You can implicate me for wanting Geript dead since D1 practically but I feel I was justified.
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Oh right I was supposed to add JJ right? Probably in between you and the other two.
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My stance right now is since we (probably) don't have any vig bullets left we need to start eliminating the rest of the lurkers, or at the very least get them to speak the fuck up. It is way too easy for the final two (plus 3rd party?) to hide. Jcarlsoniv grush glurio randombum These are the worst 4 offenders imo. I include Glurio even though I believe him to be town based on meta.
iamp and JJ are toeing the line right now; have contributed more lately and been slightly more useful, especially JJ. OO I consider to be lurking since he didn't do anything for almost 3 days. (Although his de-lurk was pretty decent.)
That is 7 players here with not a great amount of activity this game.VERY easy for one or both scum to be hiding here since none of them (aside from iamp and maybe OO) have been under any amount of real pressure at all or done a great deal of contributing.
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On March 06 2013 10:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vivax, will you shoot at Randombum tonight? What? Didn't he already shoot RO? Unless you're assuming he's SK...
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On March 06 2013 11:15 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 06 2013 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I survive to Day 4 it means one of two things.
1. Scum won't waste a shot on me with 1 KP assuming I'm a veteran or there could be another doc in the game 2. Scum are intentionally avoiding shooting "big name vets" (I hate saying that) to mask that they are led by one. - This is a plan I've personally employed as scum, to intentionally hit lurkers/less experienced players to push suspicion onto different vets around Day 3-4.
jcarlsoniv, why would you believe Chezinu is town and JungleJorge is somehow a scumslipper? You're one of only three people to not vote Chez yesterday including myself and geript (who voted for himself). Do you still believe that Vivax and JungleJorge hatched a plan together? Would you suggest they are the two remaining scum?
If anyone else considers that to be the case, note that Prom FoS'd JJ before he was lynched and Vivax FoS'd JJ as well in his largest post. I don't remember saying that I think Vivax and JJ hatched a plan together? I thought Chez would flip town because I honestly thought he would be a better player than that. I was mistaken. I began leaning town on JJ because of his RB claim, but after last night's shenanigans (or lack thereof - still speculating on whether or not scum sent in their actions), who the hell knows? I could certainly see Vivax being SK, and if he is, it means he'll be shooting someone else tonight. he has to shoot so his claim makes very little sense from an sk perspective he is extremely likely to be town. what do you think of glurio? Pretty much...this is why I think Vivax is probably town. We'll find out tonight with # of shots anyway. Unless of course there is no SK and Vivax as mafia shot RO to throw us off...but that strikes me as being really really dumb.
So Soniv, if you plan on sticking around for more than 5 minutes, who are your scumreads right now and why?
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Alright this makes me want to have another go at glurio's filter, though even if I find something that changes my mind from my earlier town stance I can't see myself wanting to lynch him ahead of the other 3 I mentioned. I remember feeling very strongly early that he was town; but I'll check to be sure.
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On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote: Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill? I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker. Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes?
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On March 06 2013 13:35 MilkSuckler wrote:For filter Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2013 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote: Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill? I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker. Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes? n revised thoughts on glue-man @ WoS I'll tell you what. I'll do it if I know someone other than you is going to read it.
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On March 06 2013 13:50 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2013 13:35 MilkSuckler wrote:For filter On March 06 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2013 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote: Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill? I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker. Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes? n revised thoughts on glue-man @ WoS I'll tell you what. I'll do it if I know someone other than you is going to read it. Whats that meant to mean? I am not even asking you something to do... you suggested it upon yourself Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright this makes me want to have another go at glurio's filter, though even if I find something that changes my mind from my earlier town stance I can't see myself wanting to lynch him ahead of the other 3 I mentioned. I remember feeling very strongly early that he was town; but I'll check to be sure. The filter is not exactly a big one to digest.... so stop being a bitch and complaining Ooooo Mocsta angwy. I'm serious though. Why should I keep feeding information that only you are going to use? Are you the town in its entirety? How are you going to be using the information I give you in the form of my read on Glurio? You're right I did suggest that I was going to do it; but I changed my mind. I don't find any compelling reason to do it right now. I'm not about to die anytime soon, after all.
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On March 06 2013 14:01 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Ooooo Mocsta angwy. I'm serious though. Why should I keep feeding information that only you are going to use? Are you the town in its entirety? How are you going to be using the information I give you in the form of my read on Glurio? You're right I did suggest that I was going to do it; but I changed my mind. I don't find any compelling reason to do it right now. I'm not about to die anytime soon, after all. I may not be town in its entirety, but I am one of the few left who still give a shit. Mark my words... If I want you lynched tomorrow, you *WILL* be lynched tomorrow.You and I are the only two here that have played with Glurio prior, and coincidentally we both gave him a meta town read. I have reverted; and am curious whether you are going to stick to your guns. If that is too much effort for you, perhaps you should be lynched tomorrow so you can solely focus on your newbie game. Sorry dear, I don't respond well to threats. If you want to lynch me, go ahead and do it, but it's not going to get you any closer to a win.
Unless you're scum, of course, amirite?
I'll look into it when I'm damn good and ready. :D
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On March 06 2013 14:07 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Unless you're scum, of course, amirite?. :D Wow, im so scared because a lurker has made an accusation. You have zero town cred Wave, your more than welcome to try. Will at least cure this boredom. What? I'm not trying shit, you're the one who threatened me. I merely stated that lynching me would only bring you closer to accomplishing your win-con if you're scum, a 100% true statement. Nothing more, nothing less. :D
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On March 06 2013 14:18 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2013 14:07 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 06 2013 14:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Unless you're scum, of course, amirite?. :D Wow, im so scared because a lurker has made an accusation. You have zero town cred Wave, your more than welcome to try. Will at least cure this boredom. What? I'm not trying shit, you're the one who threatened me. I merely stated that lynching me would only bring you closer to accomplishing your win-con if you're scum, a 100% true statement. Nothing more, nothing less. :D Well I am disappointed because (1) Aquanim poised a valid question - which I doubt will return a mod-confirmed answer ... and you have spammed it away & (2) You're pro Glu-man, and anti jcarl In what I developed from macho man.. .i showed one example of a clear contrast between Glu/jcarl (which I think speaks town favourably for jcarl). Out of everyone, I expected you to be the most exuberant with this development. One post is spam? Jeez if that's true, what to make of your filter that's at least 10 pages longer than the next person? Sorry I interfered with your ability to muck up the thread, please continue.
As to your second point...don't make me repeat myself. It's unseemly.
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I'll look into it when I'm damn good and ready. :D
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Mocsta where in my last post did I try to refute anything you said? Stop putting words in my mouth. Methinks I detect some OMGUS though. Are you frustrated that I implied you are scum for threatening to lynch me? Because I didn't imply anything, though you are welcome to read into anything I say in whatever way you want.
And looky here, Soniv has come out to play. Here's some advice, if you're to accuse me of something, at least put in the barest amount of effort to back it up; don't rely on the work others have done.
I have absolutely zero reason to provide my stance right now. You're going to make me repeat myself again I see. Alright last time, but I have something to add to it. I haven't lied about anything I've said all game thus far. I said I will do it when I'm ready and I will. On my time. Not yours.
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On March 06 2013 14:44 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you frustrated that I implied you are scum for threatening to lynch me? Because I didn't imply anything, Right, so if I look at your filter and Ctrl+F (MS/Milk/Moc) I wont constantly find scum within the same sentence... Cos if that is what you are telling me, then you need to be lynched NOW for lying. Show nested quote +And looky here, Soniv has come out to play. Here's some advice, if you're to accuse me of something, at least put in the barest amount of effort to back it up; don't rely on the work others have done. How about take your own advice Semantics, my dear. I didn't imply you were scum for threatening to lynch me. Never said anything about calling you scummy earlier in the thread.
And you make a good point, you're just begging for me to make a case against you, aren't you? You are TANTALIZED by the prospect of it.
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And if you're referring to me simply mentioning you and scum in the same sentence, maybe you shouldn't be so sensitive.
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Think I'll just dangle you on the end of my hook for a little while longer. I'm surprised I'm getting such a rise out of you, honestly.
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On March 06 2013 15:03 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Think I'll just dangle you on the end of my hook for a little while longer. I'm surprised I'm getting such a rise out of you, honestly. Im fuckn bored thats the only reason why.. Im more shocked Dr.H thinks this is a serious conversation, and completely side stepped Glurio.. Touche, sir. I'm off to bed. 'Twas fun, Mocsta.
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Good lord 9 hours and absolutely nothing. What a joke.
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Lol everybody professing that they'll look me over in more detail 'later,' and never following up, yet Mocsta lambastes me for doing the same thing. Lessee who dies tonight and I'll take off from there.
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GG WF. Seems as though we have work to do, ladies and gents. Looking at Glurio and WF now.
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Also, I'm suspecting at least one of our vets is mafia now. The vet/blue sniping is getting out of hand.
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On March 07 2013 09:23 The Macho Man wrote: also pray tell why in gods green earth you can possibly have a town read on glurio waveofs? Lol you mean my town read from days and days ago since I haven't looked at him since? Don't get all high-and-mighty with me. Where were your contributions during the early game?
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On March 07 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote: Macho, want to lynch WoS for process of elimination?
Hes now beyond bad townie, he is incessantly walking that fine line of trolling. How does that help town?
Lynch the fucker. You're so cute when you're angry Mocsta, let's date.
If you hot heads would be patient, I'll get around to my reads. Looking at Glurio now, my gut still says town but I agree there are a few things wrong with his posting, not to mention the HUGE dropoff in activity since the first few days.
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Fuck I have so many things to do gotta finish read on Glurio, look at WF and someone else as well. Thread movin too fast againnnnn
It;'s kinda nice actually.
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On March 07 2013 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you think wos is scum milksuckler? He's called pretty much everyone in the game out at one point or another for being scummy. It reeks of his manipulative play from NMM 37; as he's put it he's very good at steering people's thoughts where he wants them to go.
I'm not 100% sure it's scummy though because his filter is so goddamn huge it's taking me forever to get through it.
In other news, I looked at WF's filter and I've concluded that he was paranoid Sheriff.
On March 03 2013 08:48 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 08:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 03 2013 08:33 Wade Fell wrote: I don't care if someone else masoned Chezinu, what matters is that chezinu is scum. Someone else's poor choice of mason partner is not my problem. My god, a big part of me really wants to be right about Chez just so you can shut your friggin mouth heh well in 10 minutes when chez flips scum that big party of you is going to be highly disappointed
Chances are he checked at night. It's possible he didn't but he clearly was looking towards Geript next and was talking about him most of the day. He likely performed his next night check on Geript, which turned up guilty since he is paranoid. How do I assume this?
On March 04 2013 09:13 Wade Fell wrote: OH LOL I WAS PLAYING DOTA
I'm super glad I didn't get killed.
In any case, it's 100% clear that geript is scum. His so-called attempts to "hunt scum" are thinly-foiled attempts to discredit town. His clear scumminess, protection of promethelax and Chezinu before things looked bad for them both tell us he is scum. He's playing nothing like he played in his town games. I was nice to him during the night because I was hoping he wouldn't shoot me.
Geript is scum. Lynch him. Spill his blood.
##vote: Geript.
On March 04 2013 09:14 Wade Fell wrote: I'm even surer that Geript is scum today than I was that chez was scum yesterday. These are his two posts directly after the night end.
(Now it's entirely possible that WF was insane instead and didn't check up on Chez; rather he checked another mafia and got innocent result N1 hence not having the desire to push anyone else other than Chez based on his won reads D2.) Either way this conclusion merits a close look into WF's filter to see what else we can learn since he didn't give us anything concrete to go on. It's probably worth attempting to deduce his N1 check to see if it was Chez or someone else.
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I know this is confirmation bias since I already think Soniv is scum, but I REALLY like randombum's case.
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Nobody's found much in terms of breadcrumbs this game. I know they're out there though.
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People Mocsta has wanted to lynch:
ObviousOne
On February 27 2013 11:04 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 10:59 ObviousOne wrote: Are you seriously taking everything I said in the first few hours of the game as Gospel truth, guys? If you are, I'm sorry. I can't help you fix your read of me because I'm already dead if that's the case. My problem stems from Geript. I decided to read his filter from NMM37 and then noticed your filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=263107In that game as a replacement SERIAL KILLER...you were of more benefit to town in a 12hr period.. then you have been to this game in 24hrs.. That speaks volumes to me: The play shows a sharp contrast as well... pair this with the Shadowing Thread where your insight shared with VE again is widly deviating from your play this game. Randombum pieces it all together very well.. you look interested, but there is no substance. SCUM.
Almost all the vets. INCLUDING HIMSELF. Only two left alive though....
On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves:Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scumShow nested quote +I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game. I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum.
I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points)
VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play.
Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle, I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later*
jcarlsoniv
On February 28 2013 12:35 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:06 JungleJorge wrote: I've looked into Testsubject and I'm leaning town. Looked into Jcarl and I'm leaning scum on him, but not with the same confidence of the other 2 I pointed. Some assistance would be appreciated on JC. There are quite a few aspects of carl play I dont like. Hes definitely choosing to contribute on issues not dominant in the thread at the time.. but then.. the contributions are just pointing things out.. there is no detailed thought process. In short, I do not find him townie, and his demeanor regarding prome is suspect. However... his filter has strengthened my read on Vivax and my theory that prome pushed his meta defense on Grush, to give a meta defense on Vivax. Aquanim
On February 28 2013 16:28 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 16:18 Aquanim wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I want to know specifically how you think RNG discussion can be beneficial to town discussion, considering that was a major reason of you not accepting the case (initially)
Lemme lay out a possible scenario. - Promethelax runs for mayor on the platform of a RNG lynch
- Someone calls bullshit
On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote: 1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments?
- Promethelax tells them they're stupid
On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote: 1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments? Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming.
- Entering the realm of hypothesis where town prom did this: some scum attacks prom for making a bad case
On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteShow nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol
- Prom nails them for making a shitty case
On February 26 2013 09:07 Imaginary Town Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteYes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol yeah the post was stupid but how does it have scum mentality? your case is bad and a townie wouldn't make it no u scum. bro.
tl;dr - baiting scum to attack you (in a way which will expose them as scum) by making an easily attackable post is a conceivable town tactic. ##Vig: AquanimWrong answer The conversation I had with Prome pre-game actually supports your hypothesis. the problem is: promes actions in-game....Which conveniently you quoted for me already Show nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. Let me bring to the fore points I raised in my case of Prome Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 13:55 MilkSuckler wrote: (1) Conjecture: I have PM correspondance with prome (pre-LX) that state explicitly he is against RNG as it is both anti-town and stupid play. ... (2) Track History: Both Nomination & NMM37 contained proponents of RNG. They were both scum. Though this does not guarantee Prome as scum; it does suggest scum are more willing to run with it than town. ... (1) Outcome: Mentions the RNG play didn't generate the discussion he wanted. Yet responds to people with "pro-town gems" like: "you should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck". There is no effort in his filter to prompt further discourse; and when others critically query him, he immediately shuts them down with insults. ... (2) The plan: Provides details of the RNG plan to unveil scum - because only scum would support RNG. Ironically scum proponent: Djodref, took a similar stance in Nomination mafia. This is a very convenient stance any RNG proponent can outline; without dispute. The real question is whether prome went out of his way to facilitate discussion and identify RNG supporters. The short answer is: no" .... (2) RNG: You can include RNG as a sudden shift as it lost momentum. The whole play read like a farce with zero commitment. ... His RNG behaviour is classic scum mentality; and I believe if a townie ever pushed for RNG it would be performed with a lot more transparency.
There is no fucking way a townie goes about achieving a trap like that the way prome went about it. I actually have respect for your play; and know you pride yourself on picking up bullshit like what Prome did. That you turn a blind eye (repeatedly)... well... there is nothing to say Hassybaby
On February 28 2013 21:30 MilkSuckler wrote: If a vig is out there. My new recommendation is to have a good look through the 1 page filter of hassybaby.
This guy has shown zero interest in the game responding only if addressed Is super passive aggressive in his limited posts, And is never trying to develop any ideas
Lastly this fucker openly campaigned for pardoner... Saying feel free to shoot me *if* I use the role....
Please consider hassybaby as a legitimate vig target.
Restraining Order
On March 01 2013 02:37 MilkSuckler wrote:LOL.. Firstly.. how the fuck do you have a bigger filter than me.. must be the pre-game My thoughts actually changed two or three times while I fleshed out my response - hopefully its still coherent. (1) After checking the votes between 60min and Final.. I can see why you think the last few ppl that swapped on you, voted to ensure you were not pardoner. (2) Most of the vets in this game have played self-centric; so I wouldnt hold credence in their words influencing the whole of town (certainly some.. but not all 25 players) For reference of votes: + Show Spoiler +60min to goVisceraEyes (7): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, ObviousOne, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, TestSubject893, grush57, randombum, geript, WaveofShadow 10min to goVisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, ObviousOne, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, TestSubject893, grush57, randombum, geript, WaveofShadow, VisceraEyes, The Milkman, DoctorHelvetica Final CountVisceraEyes (10): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, ObviousOne, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, TestSubject893, grush57, randombum, geript, WaveofShadow, VisceraEyes, The Milkman, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, Wade Fell Now if this is all purely VCA.. i dont know how you go about ascertaining scum from inactives... I now presume this was the whole point of the post (if so.. apologies, it completely went over my head first read) - i.e. discuss to determine which is scum, which is inactive. (written after writing reads). Most of the below is pretty wishy-washy.. i guess if you didnt realise, most of these ppl haven't been on my agenda this cycle.. If I am around Day2, I will put energy into strengthening my reads. Vivax: Null (from red) - Im actually liking his recent activity.. sure its a touch shallow but i didnt mind it.. subject to change hassybaby: Red - already suggested for vig to check this guy out Macho Man: Null (From red)- I really want to lynch this guy.. hes really rubbing me the wrong way... but im giving him benefit of the doubt for being in two games (and prioritizing the other game over this one).. subject to change Restraining Order: Red - i really dont like this guy from the start.. done nothing since that I can recall vividly randombum: Green (From null)- I dont remember what this guy did most of the game, until he called me out on aquanim.. I liked the way he did it.. I know scum can defend a town read easily.. but i liked his approach (just like milkman) wave: Im stuck with this guy.. i would love to say bad town.. but.. that campaign for pardoner was interesting.. I would need to give this guy a dedicated filter dive to be certain.. will go bad town for time being. JungleJorge
On March 01 2013 08:59 MilkSuckler wrote: JJ is a common factor and needs to GO
Just in case you forgot, Toadestern
On March 01 2013 15:17 MilkSuckler wrote: ok.. i given up on grush..
i seen enough on toad to go ahead with that lynch full steam
Layabout
On March 01 2013 19:34 MilkSuckler wrote:Firstly, much better post than your last one. I would still prefer more 'exploration'; and more of a conclusion - as this seems to be a feeler post. I find a couple things interesting here too: p50; layabout decides to support the prome lynch, and then leaves his options by throwing some town pointers on prome -> which is where the hassy reference ties in. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:55 Promethelax wrote: You k ow hassy at all? Would he vanish like that as town? If anything, this makes hassy more likely to be town (unfortunately) ... i.e. prome sniffed an easy target to push as scum. p53; Dunno if the stuff with BH is "not game relevant".... I have only seen selfish motivations for BH so far - not explicitly town motivations.. so i dont rule out him being a rouge scum (i.e. everyone gives him some hate for distancing).. I figured if he was scum it would be easier to ascertain later cycles, so left him be. As for the quote: how stupid is that (in my opinion).. chaos bear requires a replacement and has zero posts.. how do you do consider him? As for the lurker lynch comment, that could easily be him defending himself. So in short, its a complete fluff post... and the tie with hassy I take more as a pretend-to-contribute moment, than, trying to save scum buddy hassy. [ I admit this is biased by me saying hassy more likely to be town from p50] It actually also reads as if he has no qualms with a hassybaby shooting.... p115; Now this post rang massive alarm bells for me when I read it the first time. The defense is: hassy won pardoner before and didnt use it... how does any of that apply to this game? Translation: when hassy is town he *CAN* be trustworthy in instances. How does this go towards identifying *THIS GAME* that hassy is town... it dosent.. so why throw it in there? In short: I can not see a town motivation for unveiling this information.If layabout has a town read on hassy; there has been no progression in his filter to corroborate this. This is exacerbated by the chaos reference lurker lynch p53 reference, where he seems to have no issue with a hassy death => can not have a town read. As stated before: the post does nothing to devine the alignment of Hassy and also reads as a discredit on aquanim.So then.. why unveil this information? My gut says: he was aware of the game info (prob played in it) and took it as a cheap way to contribute and make it look like he is paying attention to the intricacies of the game. There is no town motivation for this.. I am happy to start/join a layabout lynch *IF* toad doesnt get traction.
Chezinu and Geript
On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? Randombum and TheMachoMan
On March 06 2013 10:34 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 10:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm curious.
You say you agree, and yet you don't agree with WoS's opinion that I'm top scum. In fact, you even defended me during the day cycle.
May I ask why you don't hate me like everyone else does? I already explained my thoughts on you before.. I dont see why a scum would hard defend a 100% dead Chezinu (and it was obvious there was no coming back from him).. Townies stick up for scum all the time; that doesn't make you scum. For me: You are in the bad townie category, and I have no interest in furthering your lynch. Having said that I wouldnt defend you either - that is your job; if someone is pushing for your lynch, my responsibility as a townie would be to find a better alternative. (See below) ============ As I stated prior, Randombum ticks all the boxes for scum play (including, the slowly decaying thread contributions to signify bored VT) TheMachoMan has not lived up to his promise of increasing post count (as this is now his sole game). His contributions are mainly +1 (e.g. He plus +1'd me on Restraining Order). I am satisfied with him as my 2nd lynch choice.
WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote: Macho, want to lynch WoS for process of elimination?
Hes now beyond bad townie, he is incessantly walking that fine line of trolling. How does that help town?
Lynch the fucker.
Glurio
On March 07 2013 11:53 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 11:47 TestSubject893 wrote: Well see that's the thing, I don't know what I think of you yet, I'm still working that out right now. I had you squarely as town before, but you changed that for me. I think we've about hit the end of where this discussion is productive though. I Still personally dont see how that one action changes everything.. if anything.. my thought process around the whole event has been transparent, which is not conducive to scum play. If you think I was purposely tricking people, fine.. but think about it. its 2 scum, 12 town.. I still think its too early for scum to be sticking their necks out like what I did. But yes.. I agree with you, there is no point continuing this discussion. Im supporting my stance from yesterday.. Lynch Glurio
People are called out multiple times as well throughout the thread, hell I didn't even include Prom. That is almost EVERYONE in the thread Mocsta has suggested we lynch. Throwing around suspicion at absolutely everyone he possibly can all the time doesn't exactly strike me as town behaviour.
There are a few more gut things that bother me about Mocsta but his filter is just so godawful to go through right now I just can't do it anymore. Hell you can add filter occlusion to the list. His play reminds me VERY STGRONGLY of his play from NMM 37. Scummy.
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##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
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On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
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On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
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On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
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On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die. I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM!
Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet......
I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.)
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On March 08 2013 03:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote: [quote] Just so you dont feel ignored
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Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die. I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM! Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet...... I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.) Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game. One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one? The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him. As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying.
How you can consider Vayesh aggressive I have no idea, but alright I'll give you that. But Prom is going to be your example? Really? EVERYBODY wanted Prom dead, EVERYBODY made cases on him in various orders, he as obviously scum right from the get-go with his useless crap on RNG. (Lol 'you've hit two blues this entire game.' Subtle.)
I like that you conveniently choose to disregard my request for you to make another read. Pretty typical since you haven't done it all game; why start now?
It seems to me that if it comes down to either of us dying tonight (which I doubt very highly, tbh) all people really need to do is ask who has actually contributed, been transparent with reads, and been honest in everything they have done. Your foul-weather play is unacceptable in my eyes, and I would hope hope your adamant push on me will be seen by others as nothing more than the last death throes of scum.
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I was just about to post this but waited and lo and behold:
If I die, I'm looking forward to you eating your words. Funny, i was thinking the same thing. Hmm...except maybe you'd have no words to eat because you haven't come up with anything concrete all game to have to apologize to town for, huh? I think maybe the one positive thing I can think about me dying is people will stop bringing up ridiculous scripting arguments about me and maybe just try to take what I've attempted to do this game seriously. I almost, ALMOST want to die just so I can be vindicated, but that doesn't exactly help town right now. You're going down Soniv.
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I'm done flinging shit back and forth with you, btw. Town has proven themselves to be capable and intelligent thus far, I trust them to make the right decision.
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On March 08 2013 03:44 layabout wrote: Wave don't make me quote you but you never got round to giving us your judgement on glurio. You say he is town based on doing nothing really early on and then say about 5 times how your going to look at him but you never do. Deal. The reason I've been avoiding it is because the evidence has really been piling up against him and I'm having a hard time admitting I may be wrong based on my earlier meta reads. Throughout the entire game his reads are simplistic but seem genuine, but then there is a lot of +1 on later on. I can't really say whether or not this is newbie indicative or what. His long post where he describes how often Vayesh mentions each person seems a really odd way of trying to determine what Vayesh's reads were; seems misguided but a townie attempt at least. Not sure what the scum motivation to make a weird and bad case like that would be since it's unlikely anyone was going to go for it.
His lurking recently doesn't look very good at all but apparently that's just how Glurio tends to play and doesn't seem to be indicative of his town OR scum play very much. I honestly like his most recent content post and callout of my case on Mocsta, because while I have gut feelings on Mocsta (he's been rubbing me the wrong way a lot of the game) my case was grasping at straws to try to get people to pay attention to him in some way because I REALLY don't like how he goes unsuspected at all when i feel so badly about him.
Overall I'd probably have to say he still leans town for me. Newbie, not great town, but town nonetheless. If I'm wrong he's really improved his play behind the scenes.
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Oh and his long-ass list of WIFOM where he calls himself out for it being a bad idea is HUGE bad town tell. I should know, I've been guilty of it before.
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Oh and for the record, I don't think my case on Mocsta was complete bullshit. His filter is absolutely horrible to dive (I dare any one of you to try; maybe that's why he goes unscrutinized all the damn time?) and the fact that he doesn't stick to reads and throws suspicion around way more than anyone else seems indicative to me (or is just another factor of his spammy posting methods; i guess when your filter is twice as big as the next person's, you have twice the accusations?)
In any case I'm not looking to lynch Mocsta before Soniv, and i still want to hear more from Glurio before the day is out but I'm pretty sure of him.
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On March 07 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote:Day 4 The town awoke to find Wade Fell the victim of the night, many of them recognized him as a voice of reason in the town, the sheriff trying to put together the clues before his demise. Still others remember that he was also a bit crazy, and that he reminded them of that guy on "A beautiful Mind".The remaining 2 red lights on the device shined brightly in the morning sun, and the town could feel a sense of urgency loom over them. They were close. Close to both salvation, and destruction. Wade Fell, the Sheriff, was killed! It is now day 4! the day will last 24 hours! with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch! Wait a minute. Is that possible that we are left clues in modposts?? If so, WF was paranoid sheriff and my earlier suspicions on him were correct...though it also means we can't really learn anything from any checks of his.
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I count 14. I really don't like the idea of lynching Glurio, and I really don't want to change my vote. If I'm wrong y'all are going to associate the hell out of it and waste a day lynching me imo, but I'm willing to risk it. It's like 4 days till LYLO I think? Mebbe more? I'm willing to be wrong here to stand up for what I believe.
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On March 08 2013 06:06 layabout wrote: Votecount: jcarlsoniv(4): Testsubject893, WaveofShadow, glurio, randombum <--- bad lynch glurio(3): The Macho Man, DoctorHelvetica, layabout <---- best lynch WaveOfshadow(2): ObviousOne, jcarlsoniv <---- acceptable lynch vivax(2): JungleJorge, MilkSuckler <----fucking around with town for no good reason Testsubject893(1): Aquanim <----fucking around with town for no good reason charmander(1): Vivax <----fucking around with town for no good reason
not voting: grush57
It's also worth pointing out that there are 4 people in the fucking around category and only 2mafia and 1 3rd party?? present in the game. This is why people get fed up of normals. I don't understand, why does your 'fucking around' category exist exactly? Because they don't agree with you? (Vivax excluded)
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On March 08 2013 06:41 grush57 wrote: I guess I'll get on the glurio wagon. Also WoS is scum. ##Vote: Glurio LOL can we nominate him for best contribution 2013 or something?
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On March 08 2013 06:58 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 06:56 glurio wrote: How about we just lynch him instead? He's not active and looks seriously scummy. He won't get active even if called out. So what to do with him? Lynch him. i have been burned by starsenses before. This is fucking retarded. Grush posts one goddamn word that means NOTHING and this gives him a free pass for the rest of the damn game? How the FUCK does that make any sense? Should have been killed ages ago. Tomorrow.
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On March 08 2013 07:08 JungleJorge wrote: iamp, who shoots someone as vig and says I shot X I believe? You say I shot X, that qualifier is unnatural and suspicious. What vig keeps talking about vigs if he plans on shooting n1? Why would vivax shoot hassy when he was positive on glurio being scum? Makes no sense. It's funny, I noticed that yesterday and forgot about it completely trudging through the cesspool that is Mocsta's filter. (Fat lot of good that did me) Not worth changing my vote, though it does seem as though Glurio is going down.
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Aquanim: obviously I'm not going to go for no-lynch. As of now Glurio will still be lynched whether I like it or not.
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And not worth changing my vote to Vivax. I think THAT's pretty clear.
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On March 08 2013 07:37 glurio wrote: So no one reads what i post anymore? I did, but people seem to have their minds set on you. I could go on here about how your last post makes you look town but it doesn't make a difference anymore. People are going to believe what they want right now, and already probably see a very strong association case on me. Whatever you flip I get the feeling tomorrow is going to suck for me considering how much I stuck up for you.
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On March 08 2013 07:43 Vivax wrote: I know how retarded it sounds but it worked every time so far, if this is the only game where he crumbs that as mafia he will basically have a hard time in every one of his future games.
On March 08 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 06:58 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2013 06:56 glurio wrote: How about we just lynch him instead? He's not active and looks seriously scummy. He won't get active even if called out. So what to do with him? Lynch him. i have been burned by starsenses before. This is fucking retarded. Grush posts one goddamn word that means NOTHING and this gives him a free pass for the rest of the damn game? How the FUCK does that make any sense? Should have been killed ages ago. Tomorrow.
Well at least you addressed how dumb that sounds. The fact that all the vets are basically afraid of him and give him a free pass just because of what he's done in past games makes me kind of angry as a newbie entering into this 'mafia culture.' How is that a legitimate way to play?
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Thinking ahead you guys are going to fucking screw me on this anyway, aren't you? I'm just waiting for someone to come up with the fact that I'm risking my neck to defend Glurio all game as a scum tell. Scum puts Glurio up for lynching and due to strong association they can fucking WIFOM all day and say well I only did that because I knew he was town all along.
You guys had better have a close fucking look at who threw Glurio under the bus to begin with.
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Its a common expression, bad usage I guess. Go ahead and lynch me if he's scum.
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I'm going to go eat, won't be back before lynch. GG Glurio, I'm either a fucking idiot and you fooled me, in which case I don't deserve to live as town anyway, or I was right and I'll be vindicated either now or after I get lynched.
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On March 08 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Thinking ahead you guys are going to fucking screw me on this anyway, aren't you? I'm just waiting for someone to come up with the fact that I'm risking my neck to defend Glurio all game as a scum tell. Scum puts Glurio up for lynching and due to strong association they can fucking WIFOM all day and say well I only did that because I knew he was town all along.
You guys had better have a close fucking look at who threw Glurio under the bus to begin with.
Call it me out-thinking myself, or the scum who are about to target me next. I pre-emptively thought up the future case that is about to be brought up on me, not that I can prevent it either way.
I really don't want to pull a Geript here but I don't see any way out of this; if you guys consider me scummy you're not going to listen to me no matter what anyway....
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Fuck all of you haters. THINK, town. Think hard about the agenda here.
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It's not WIFOM anymore, I am RIGHT. We need to be able to determine who wanted me to go down most BEFORE the flip.
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On March 08 2013 09:02 layabout wrote: who the hell plays like that? Read my fucking lips, layabout, HE'S NEW. Everything about his posting SCREAMED new, but you all ignored it, and me.
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On March 08 2013 08:34 grush57 wrote: WoS tomorrow no matter what yes/no?
On March 08 2013 08:13 Vivax wrote: That sounds like the way to go.
If glurio flips red we lynch WoS no discussion.
And this is so ridiculously scummy. SO SCUMMY.
At least when DrH called me out he had something to back it up.
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Town I swear you'd better not let me die for defending Glurio since the beginning. I've been so transparent with my reads and you'd better not make me pay for it. My faith in on our strength after the first few days had better not be in vain; this is a good way to fuck up everything we've worked for.
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On March 08 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote: What's scummy about it you spoke of a townread of yours as being bussed.
Semantics, Vivax. Let's look it up, shall we?
To throw (someone) under the bus is an idiomatic phrase meaning to sacrifice another person (often a friend or ally), who is usually not deserving of such treatment, out of malice or for personal gain. From Wikipedia.
Often does not mean always. Glurio is the sacrifice who was not deserving of such treatment, thrown under the bus for mafia's personal gain. Simple as that. Just because the mafia version has come to mean one thing doesn't mean that's how I meant it. Lol I doubt he'd stick up for me but Soniv knows how much I talk in idioms.
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On March 08 2013 09:16 grush57 wrote: you tried to prevent one mislynch and that automatically clears up all the scummy things you done? Grush, you can talk to me when you do one positive thing this whole goddamn game. If I get lynched it sure as hell won't be because of you. If you'd take 3 seconds and read my filter you'll see that I stuck up for him all game, well before he was on the block. It may not mean anything to you or some of these others, but I'm sticking with it.
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I'm only going to defend the same points brought up towards myself so often. If you guys have made your decision that I'm going to die, so be it and I'll pull a Geript because until some new evidence is brought up for me to attempt and refute, there is no point right now. Instead I'll push my reads so maybe you guys will actually fucking LEARN something once I die.
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Lol you need my help to nail Soniv? Look at everything he's done so far. Finished reading? That's what I thought. 'Cause there's NOTHING. Am I really going to have to repost every case I've brought up against him thus far that everyone ignored?
As for iamp I'm necessarily with you on that. Soniv is the only one I absolutely certain of, and have been for days, much like my Glurio read.
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EBWOP:As for iamp I'm NOT necessarily with you on that. Soniv is the only one I absolutely certain of, and have been for days, much like my Glurio read.
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On March 08 2013 09:26 grush57 wrote: Oh yea WoS and Vivax I have been talking about jcarl being scum since a while ago, I'm fine with lynching him. Good enough for me (since it's true). For now.
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Hey DrH, completely given up on this game? ObviousOne?
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On March 08 2013 09:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 06:58 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2013 06:56 glurio wrote: How about we just lynch him instead? He's not active and looks seriously scummy. He won't get active even if called out. So what to do with him? Lynch him. i have been burned by starsenses before. This is fucking retarded. Grush posts one goddamn word that means NOTHING and this gives him a free pass for the rest of the damn game? How the FUCK does that make any sense? Should have been killed ages ago. Tomorrow. You're dead set on me being scum, and yet you want grush dead tomorrow... That. After all of the panicky shit I posted over the last hour or so.... THAT is the best you can do?
I can't believe you weren't lynched. There's two scum left, genius. And a probable 3rd party. No reason why it can't be both of you on the docket. Right now, just like yesterday, you're still my primary target.
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Well yall know where MY vote is tomorrow. Though the Mocsta-logic-train is chuggin' along. I have to re-read that.
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Really? 'Cause I've been talking about him being scum all game. I guess to be fair it's been a while since anything happened in here.
Soniv.
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On March 09 2013 07:31 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Really? 'Cause I've been talking about him being scum all game. I guess to be fair it's been a while since anything happened in here.
Soniv. Baby.. I would hold off jcarlsoniv I got something that will give you a GUARANTEED vote for Day5 and Day6. Gimme 10 minutes. Trust me.. *you* of all people will love this one. I drool with anticipation.
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Or your associations are shit and they just wanted to give me pardoner since I was willing to sacrifice myself anyway= easy town mislynch. Lol.
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Honestly, that case is so ridiculous it doesn't even worry me in the slightest. I worried myself more WIFOMing the hell out of myself with the Geript lynch than I'm worried about this. If I'm going to get lynched, then go ahead and do it, so long as you honour my death once you find out I'm town and kill Soniv.
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On March 09 2013 08:07 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly, that case is so ridiculous it doesn't even worry me in the slightest. I worried myself more WIFOMing the hell out of myself with the Geript lynch than I'm worried about this. If I'm going to get lynched, then go ahead and do it, so long as you honour my death once you find out I'm town and kill Soniv. As long as I am alive. you will get lynched for that association. Scum do no unanimously support someone the way they did with you.. the goal was important enough to warrant it. Supplement this with your wishy-washy game of playing hard to get with dishing out reads; and its pretty clear your #5 on the scum list. Supplement this with your /golfclap post and again its pretty clear you are #5 on the scum list. Vivax first though baby. Sounds good to me I guess. A Vivax flip as town will prove your associations are shit, and are likely scum, while a scum flip pretty much confirms you for town, in which case we've basically won anyway once Soniv goes down. It's a win-win baby.
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Since people seem to be around, is everyone else in agreement that apparently I need to die D6? Haven't heard anyone else's thoughts on the matter really, and that association case by Mocsta seems so unbelievably weak in comparison to his well thought out and logical case on Vivax.
I still say it's Soniv and I'm stickin' widdit, by gum.
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Nobody ever listens to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee jcarlsoniv is lynch target for D6, could see bartender or scum easily
On March 03 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote:On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote: Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBumOn March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote: Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu?What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on. His play recently looks like real standard scum. Hard defends Chez, possible scumbuddy, randomly asks questions to a whole bunch of people ABOUT a whole bunch of people, a LOT of game-theory posts without adding anything particularly useful, no cases of his own (except for one on JJ which he promptly drops), no providing his own leads.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
On March 04 2013 14:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Which is why that point is what makes me think he could be 3rd party; the fact that he legit didn't KNOW what Chez was going to flip and he took a gamble, hoping a green flip after a strong defense would clear his name to lurk for the rest of the game.
On March 08 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol you need my help to nail Soniv? Look at everything he's done so far. Finished reading? That's what I thought. 'Cause there's NOTHING. Am I really going to have to repost every case I've brought up against him thus far that everyone ignored?
As for iamp I'm necessarily with you on that. Soniv is the only one I absolutely certain of, and have been for days, much like my Glurio read.
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Too much lone wolfing on this scumteam it seems. GG both of you.
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Et tu, DrH? Sigh. Well if you're going to kill me you'd better kill Soniv first since if he is bartender giving him an extra night to kill a whole bunch of people is probably a bad choice.
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On March 10 2013 15:36 MilkSuckler wrote: Let's take out jcarl, as he might not gnige tonight.
We know WoS is final scum
BTW good work on work in vivax everyone Lol 'we know.' There are going to be a lot of people that are going to feel very silly.
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I'm glad everyone seems to think the game is won, so I'm going to continue trying to scumhunt and help out the town when they find out that it's NOT over when I die. I'm thinking Grush but I'm going to have to go back and look.
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Yeah there's almost nothing at all to look at. Grush's filter is full of absolute shit. Not a single case to be spoken of, accusations and votes without explanations thrown out all over the place, and yet everybody leaves him alone all game. Must be real nice to play a game of mafia, throw out the absolute minimum contribution and get a free pass all game. Meanwhile I try my hardest to write up cases and prove shit to people and get either selectively ignored or tunneled. Apparently nobody cares since Mocsta is basically confirmed town that his most recent read on me is shit despite being right about Vivax. Makes all sorts of associations based on how the mafia interacted with me but where in MY FILTER do you find me interacting with THEM in such a manner?
Just so unbelievably frustrating.
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Oh yeah I forgot to vote. ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
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##Vote: DoctorHelvetica Absolutely has to be. He is the only one of the vets who has managed to avoid being targeted the entire game? Look at the list of people who just went down. Not to mention he's been keeping me alive because eventually he figured somebody (Mocsta/Geript/himself/whoever) would eventually be able to push through a mislynch to give him some extra time. That's the only reason I've been left alive this long. Super active and helpful early game to help us find scum and then doesn't help much at all for the next while. This makes me think it's more likely he's bartender rather than scum because it doesn't look as scummy since he helped lynch scum and then disappeared as more and more townies started to die.
I urge the two of you who are left. I am the easy choice FOR A REASON. Don't vote for me or we're going to lose.
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On March 11 2013 09:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +Sounds good to me I guess. A Vivax flip as town will prove your associations are shit, and are likely scum, while a scum flip pretty much confirms you for town, in which case we've basically won anyway once Soniv goes down. It's a win-win baby. Oops look who tried to deflect the nail-in-the-coffin bandwagon yesterday His associations were still shit, and claiming Engineer was dumb as hell because he basically gave the bartender an ok to ignite.
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On March 11 2013 09:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: But the Vivax case was not and that's ultimately all that mattered isn't it
I agreed that the Vivax lynch made him town, but that doesn't mean he's right about everything. Come on, DrH that's a weak proof. I'm going to have a fucking hell of a time trying to fight a lynch against you but you can do better than that at least.
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Challenge accepted. Honestly I was thinking of just laying down and dying like Geript, but now it's actually on me to find some fucking scum or we lose. It's David against Dr. Goliath; I'm going to earn my right to play in your upcoming game.
Also hold on a sec, how in the fuck did I deflect the Vivax case exactly? I meant exactly what I said there, but was wrong about Soniv.
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On March 11 2013 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you've literally never accused me before and this seems like desperation
why didn't me being alive yesterday set you off or shit even the day before that? all of a sudden you're sure i'm scum now? you're doing this instead of analysis on randombum/grush/testsubject all of whom have come under heavy suspicion at some point or another in this game? It is desperation, you're right. Because I actually fucking care about winning/losing the game right now since we lost 5 townies at one go. Grush has come under no serious suspicion at all all game and no one seems to give a shit despite my attempts, so what is trying now going to do? Randombum I remember seeing as town earlier but I'll have a look at him eventually. Testsubject I'll get to.
You first.
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Why do YOU care so much to actually pressure me all of a sudden after doing nothing for the past 3 days? Same reason I'll bet.
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On March 11 2013 10:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The situation is only desperate assuming there is a bartender which if that's the case, he has basically already won. If it is 1 scum versus 4 town there is at least one more chance to get it right. There's always a chance at an armorer or vet so it could even be another day after that. The fuck? Explain how there is no bartender.
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5 kills. How does the KP add up even WITH two bombs from Mocsta? Where are scum going to get 2 nightkills all of a sudden?
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Wait, how are scum going to get 3 nighkills assuming one was used on Mocsta! The fact that you are either playing dumb or didn't realize this looks awful on you. And don't give me bullshit about not reading the OP either, you've had ample opportunity to re-read EVERY TIME someone has called you out on it.
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No I'm not letting that go. How in blue FUCK would you expect 5 nightkills to happen without an ignite from a bartender? Please. I will delight in this tale.
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If this doesn't alert to the other people in this thread how little you seem to care, I don't know what does.
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It's so nice to have other people with opinions in this game. The fact that you didn't care early doesn't make you less scummy either. If you are bartender it means you can let town and mafia kill each other all game. Your actual hard effort early game was enough to throw people off your trail because you can actually hunt scum like a towny and not sacrifice your win-con.
If you ARE just bored, why should anyone believe what you have to say and believe that you're putting effort into anything? You're looking for an easy cop-out answer as to your inactivity lately and your frankly HUGE slip. Even IF bartender ignited people with Ignite in the thread, that means you'd have to be assuming mafia had 3 KP. Where are they going to get those KP considering we've nothing but 1 every night since the beginning of the game and we already figured out we don't have an SK? I refuse to believe that basic math and analysis is beyond your reach.
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I never said you were scum, I said you're bartender. You make a massive post talking about how much you don't care and you don't even care to read my accusations against you THAT YOU'RE MAKING THE POST TO DEFEND IN THE FIRST PLACE? Hah.
Couple more interesting things I picked out of here.
On March 11 2013 11:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My inactivity is 2/3rds the fact that I'm usually at work during the majority of the days discussion and filter diving has become really unattractive in a game that I would have conceded days ago if I were scum.
It's not beyond my reach but it's not something I ever do. Different people scumhunt in different ways. I limit myself to looking strictly between the lines because it's the thing I think I'm best at. It's why my Day 1 reads are so good and then my game takes a dive after that because I try to branch off with my analysis into things I'm not very good at doing. Some people like to catch scum by thinking really hard about the setup/night actions and laying traps or catching people in impossible logic/bad roleclaims. Those players fill that role pretty well and I don't because it's not the thing about mafia I find interesting, I just want to look at the behavior side of things. Some people like to ask lots of questions, some people like to rely on association reads, some people like to conspiracy theory, etc.
I don't do any of those games. I swear to you I've gone 3-4 days into a game as town without even realizing there was a certain role in the game. Someone starts talking about the mad hatter and I didn't even know there was a mad hatter. I don't care because it's not really relevant to the way I analyze things. It's an aspect of my game I absolutely should improve on though, I'll give you that.
If I was assuming mafia had 3 KP how would I make that assumption if I were scum? That's a point +100000 for how lazy I'm playing but has nothing to do with my alignment. I figured mafia killed MilkSuckler after learning his bombs weren't on any of them and the fourth KP I didn't really pay attention to but you're right, it must be the bartender.
And the 5th? Even during this conversation you're essentially telling me you don't care. That's not a towny way to play. At all. The only night it ever would have been possible for scum to have 3 KP was right at the start of the game. (Not including dayvig). You're really telling me that you don't ever read roles or flips or ANYTHING all throughout a game? It doesn't even make sense to me how you could play a game of mafia that way without blowing reads completely and sounding really stupid every single time you're proven wrong.
I would tell you this though, as scum I take things very seriously and if I stopped caring about the game I'd at least ask for a replacement out of respect for my teammates. I wouldn't just tank and stop caring like I am now because I figured town had won a long time ago. Do you watch sports? It's like when an elite team plays against some scrub team not even going to make the playoffs and gets owned because they underestimate their opponents and don't even try. That's what I've done in this game. I won't make any promises that I will care a lot later but if I'm the last scum in this game, I would throw in the towel the right way which is a PM to GreYMisT.
There's only one scum left right now and clearly he hasn't thrown in the towel yet. If this is some 'subtle' way of calling me scum and telling me to give in, even that makes no sense because scum has a real chance of winning this game right now. WHICH IS WHY I'M TRYING TO FIND HIM.
What I have learned to trust is my Day 1/2 analysis when I was caring about this game and I'm trying to get back in touch with what I was thinking then and put the rest of events into perspective. Vivax had absolutely no response to my case and after some weak confusion about the night actions there wasn't much of a defense except for people who wanted jcarlsoniv dead instead. It's not just that you had soniv as a higher scumread than Vivax (I'm dubious about that because I think I nailed him pretty hard on Day 1 but just got sidetracked whereas Jcarls at least put surface effort into scumhunting and was more townie about the way he acted by far) but you seemed to be legitimately upset that Vivax would be lynched at all. Now MilkSuckler is gone. Show me where Soniv put effort into scumhunting besides a few measly questions and maybe one case throughout his whole tenure in this thread. He was useless. What contributions did he make to help out the town? I defy you to tell me how he helped. I stood by the mislynch on Geript and I stand by my reads on Soniv.
So far you've managed to demonstrate that I've lacked interest and effort in this game - as is true for every game I play in - but now can you demonstrate why that makes me scum and what my scum motivations are for not even reading what happens? So I can reference my disinterested town meta that you have no idea about since it's been almost a year since I've been active? So I can make a meta defense (which I hate doing) against people who don't know me? That's a conspiracy theory at best. Nope, but I already demonstrated your 2rd party motivations.
YOU ARE THE BARTENDER.
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Ugh. EBWOP (right at the end of my last post:
So far you've managed to demonstrate that I've lacked interest and effort in this game - as is true for every game I play in - but now can you demonstrate why that makes me scum and what my scum motivations are for not even reading what happens? So I can reference my disinterested town meta that you have no idea about since it's been almost a year since I've been active? So I can make a meta defense (which I hate doing) against people who don't know me? That's a conspiracy theory at best.
Nope, but I already demonstrated your 2rd party motivations.
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3rd party. Fuck me. Anyway now it all depends on whether the other two town in here (if anyone else besides me actually cares about salvaging this clusterfuck of a game) want to lynch DrH first or try to find who the actual scum is.
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On March 11 2013 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm the bartender who doesn't even know what the bartender does until now
oh i see Or you are lying and you are covering it up using the earlier laziness precedent you set up.
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Welp, guess there's no convincing anyone since I basically haven't been listened to all game. Good luck town, you're going to need it. Basically the only chance you guys have is if mafia hits the bartender tonight, and I'm not so sure it's within mafia's best interests to do that. I'll change my vote to randombum since it's the only chance in hell I've got to save myself, not that it matters since even if I live another day I still won't be able to make you stubborn sons of bitches listen to me.
##Unvote: DoctorHelvetica ##Vote: randombum
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To make it easy as fuck to frame me?
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If the bartender doesn't get hit tonight he can win real easy since he's been manipulating the fuck out of us all from the start anyway. Honestly, I've put in about as much effort as I can guys. This isn't me martyring, but I am either literally not good enough at this to be able to convince you, (nor have I been all game with cases I've made apparently) or you've already made up your minds. If you guys are so sure of the lynch on me, make it happen and I guess I have to take some blame in the loss for not being better at the game. I've been avoiding playing the noob card all game but since I'm about to exit anyway it's the last card I've got.
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I don't fucking know what to believe. No one else who is still alive right now has been under any serious suspicion all game. DrH as bartender makes the most sense to me considering his recent post history but I have to keep my vote on you to save my own ass just in case there is a last minute switch.
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Well as I said, I've got nothing else to go on. If you really think I need to be lynched then go ahead and do it, but with 1.5 hours to go I've just got nothing left in me. If by some miracle I survive then I can try to put something together for the next day but that all hinges on people actually listening to what I have to say. Hell I guess if it's only 3 people on D7 (if that happens) I guess they'd have to huh?
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DrH is just so much more believable than me I guess ever since his effort on D1, but now he's doing the exact same thing he did before. Put in a whole bunch of effort knowing that the train is set, then leaves.
He even said he was going to do a full case on me but never did because HE DIDN'T NEED TO. He'd already convinced all of you with minimal effort. Just quoted his own earlier post on me from fucking two weeks ago, even though he had since changed his opinion of me and called me towny. Like...what else do you need me to show you guys??
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I have no fucking clue who scum is, but it makes more sense to lynch scum tonight than bartender since he needs two nights to make a kill. I'll go wherever I need to go at this point, since most people just don't seem to care one way or another. Damn you scum/bartender for leaving me alive to face this shit. Leave the bad townie 'till the end because people are always going to throw suspicion on me to make your lives easier.
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I don't think DrH was involved in any of them aside from the Prom lynch to be honest. It was the only one at all into which he actually put pages worth of effort into. And then of course he uses his excuses "well I don't like trying after the first couple days of a game, I don't read roles etc."
My point was with regards to the Prom lynch. Yes you're probably right he would have been lynched anyway, but DrH REALLY pushed that along and refused to let any discussion of it die D1. Makes complete sense from a 3rd party player PoV.
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On March 12 2013 06:28 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 06:21 randombum wrote: I want to say test-subject is scum because of his willingness to drop a one-liner to get majority on you and then lurk away. Best case scenario for scum is to get a lynch quick without having to commit which is exactly what he did there. What else do you want me to say? I think that discussion between WoS and DrH was telling. WoS seemed all over the place in his motivation, trying just to discredit DrH rather than show he was scum. WTF? How do you figure? I made a huge case regarding him being bartender. I've already said I don't know who's scum, for all I know it could be you because I haven't looked at you yet. I'm not all over the place in motivation at all. I want to survive and I town to win, but it has been very difficult for me to do it alone when I get ignored the whole thread and now everyone is voting me. Of course I'm going to fucking try and discredit DrH when he sets a weak as fuck train rolling on me today, thinking he can set that and leave allowing him to douse someone else tonight.
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On March 12 2013 06:32 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think DrH was involved in any of them aside from the Prom lynch to be honest. It was the only one at all into which he actually put pages worth of effort into. And then of course he uses his excuses "well I don't like trying after the first couple days of a game, I don't read roles etc."
My point was with regards to the Prom lynch. Yes you're probably right he would have been lynched anyway, but DrH REALLY pushed that along and refused to let any discussion of it die D1. Makes complete sense from a 3rd party player PoV. I don't think that's 3rd party motivated. He was putting a big target on his back by being so vocal and helpful to the town. I think DrH is the least likely player remaining to be bartender. He could be scum though. Of course that's 3rd party motivated. 3rd party wants scum lynched as well, especially as bartender so he can sit back at night and douse a whole bunch of townies while not being under suspicion during the day. Plus he had protection on him N1 as for the big target, didn't he?
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On March 12 2013 06:36 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 06:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 12 2013 06:28 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 12 2013 06:21 randombum wrote: I want to say test-subject is scum because of his willingness to drop a one-liner to get majority on you and then lurk away. Best case scenario for scum is to get a lynch quick without having to commit which is exactly what he did there. What else do you want me to say? I think that discussion between WoS and DrH was telling. WoS seemed all over the place in his motivation, trying just to discredit DrH rather than show he was scum. WTF? How do you figure? I made a huge case regarding him being bartender. I've already said I don't know who's scum, for all I know it could be you because I haven't looked at you yet. I'm not all over the place in motivation at all. I want to survive and I town to win, but it has been very difficult for me to do it alone when I get ignored the whole thread and now everyone is voting me. Of course I'm going to fucking try and discredit DrH when he sets a weak as fuck train rolling on me today, thinking he can set that and leave allowing him to douse someone else tonight. Maybe I misinterpreted your intent in some of those posts then. Either way, I think concluding that DrH is 3rd party seems really naive to me. He's been the center of attention often, and 3rd party doesn't want that. The fuck often? He didn't do anything for the last 3 fucking days!!
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On March 12 2013 06:38 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 12 2013 06:32 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 12 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think DrH was involved in any of them aside from the Prom lynch to be honest. It was the only one at all into which he actually put pages worth of effort into. And then of course he uses his excuses "well I don't like trying after the first couple days of a game, I don't read roles etc."
My point was with regards to the Prom lynch. Yes you're probably right he would have been lynched anyway, but DrH REALLY pushed that along and refused to let any discussion of it die D1. Makes complete sense from a 3rd party player PoV. I don't think that's 3rd party motivated. He was putting a big target on his back by being so vocal and helpful to the town. I think DrH is the least likely player remaining to be bartender. He could be scum though. Of course that's 3rd party motivated. 3rd party wants scum lynched as well, especially as bartender so he can sit back at night and douse a whole bunch of townies while not being under suspicion during the day. Plus he had protection on him N1 as for the big target, didn't he? Didn't you attack him earlier today for not being killed at night yet? Obviously 3rd party doesn't want to be killed at night and would try to minimize the chance of this by being less vocal. You can't have it both ways. Sure I can. He was protected N1 after being super vocal , and then wasn't super vocal at all the rest of the game so that scum would pick off more important targets.
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On March 12 2013 06:41 randombum wrote: I sort of want to believe WoS about Dr.H because not being target of scum is one thing, and you do that by not being super correct nailing scum left and right, but you want to contribute so town doesn't lynch you. Especially as a vet, town would expect Dr.H to contribute, but Dr.H has done it in a way so he's not a big target for scum, as proven by the fact that he's alive. In that sense I can understand seeing bartender out of Dr.H. His play would fit that role.
However, I can't get over the fact that a Dr.H bartender would have never ignited night 5. I thought about this myself and the only thing I can think of regarding that is whoever it was (even if not DrH) it was done as a gambit to make me look worse. Whoever it is is apparently very confident in their own abilities to manipulate the rest of the game in their favour after I die. DrH seems like a likely candidate for that.
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I can't convince you of who I think is scum because I don't know. I can't trust a single person in this game right now so I'm completely on my own and everyone is looking to me for all the fucking answers.
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It's you. I looked through your filter and guess what I found? NOTHING. You've been appearing to put forth effort all game but every single one of your votes falls late onto a bandwagon that's been started for quite a while already. You make absolutely NO cases against anyone (I think you made one calling randombum town?) When Aquanim catches on, you put in the absolute most effort I've seen from you all game only for OMGUS. There a couple of stupid points in his case (regarding the Geript/Chez thing) but overall he makes some good point. You have spent all game making noncomittal accusations without ever backing it up until the voting has already begun. You DID soft defend RO. When Vivax suspicion was going around on D1 you didn't even mention him. And now you're pushing me even harder than randombum is, hoping I'll get frustrated and just give up, allowing you an easy mislynch and probably win.
IM NOT GOING DOWN THAT EASY FUCK ALL OF YOU
(I could also easily see Grush being scum since he has had the absolute least contribution out of anyone all game, but again why even bother bringing him up? It's like he's not even in this game right? Never mind that Toad wanted him gone right away.)
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##Unvote: randombum ##Vote: TestSubject893
You were right that I'd better figure it out or we lose. Fuck trying to save myself the game's over for town if we mislynch anyway. At least I'll go down fighting, right or wrong. FUCK ALL DEM HATAZ
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Lol. See? So what does it matter what I do right now? I'M DOIN' IT IN STYYYLE
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On March 12 2013 07:07 TestSubject893 wrote: You're accusing me of OMGUS?
You have now thrown suspicion in the direction of every other player alive today. I'm glad you're making this tough choise so easy for me. OH and for the record that's not true. I don't really suspect random, but I had to vote him earlier in case someone switched onto him so I could survive, thanks to Grush. Since you've made that clear that isn't going to happen, I'm going to stick with you until the end of the day.
Goin' down swinginnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Oh please. Everything I could do right now is 'doing what scum would.' Was anyone going to listen to Geript and the end of his life? I'm at least trying to be a little bit classy and continually put forth effort even as I get lynched so maybe, MAYBE you other two townie idiots will LEARN something.
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On March 12 2013 07:11 TestSubject893 wrote: If you thought we should lynch DoctorHelvetica at the beginning of the day you should have been able to convince me of it. But then, without even deciding that your theory on him was wrong you've switched gears to me simply to try and draw attention away from yourself. I don't think my theory is wrong at all. Are you not reading your own fucking posts? People have stated they'd rather lynch scum today than bartender. If I believe DrH is bartender THEN NO ONE IS GOING TO BE VOTING HIM, ARE THEY? You even called for me to find the scum, since I hadn't been able to do so previously. So I here I am, finding scum. I still believe DrH is bartender.
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LOL drawing attention away form myself. REALLY? Considering I am pretty much all of today's posts? You REALLY think that if I was drawing attention away from myself I'd be trying my fucking hardest to do anything right now?
Your arguments are weak as all fuck, Test, and the best part for you is you don't even have to refute my points against you because you KNOW you're in no danger right now.
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I'm going to go take a shower and cool off. I should be back just before the lynch to see what goes down and watch the town ruin their only chance at winning this game.
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This game is out of my hands now. Random, Grush, and to a lesser extent DrH (if you guys are town). Shame on you guys for your participation levels and essentially giving up the game.
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GG town. Not that you care.
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GG guys! I'm really sad we fucked up due to inactivity but I'll try harder to make more cases lategame nest time. Any specific criticisms anyone has for me? (Aside from less WIFOMing myself and conspiracy theories?)
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On March 13 2013 12:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 12:28 Aquanim wrote: feh. Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch). At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/ Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers). The Game will be an enjoyable experience. I'm much much stricter about spamming/lurkers than other mods and there will be crazy flavor level far beyond anything I've done yet and I've already done a lot with that I came like within a hair of asking players for mailing addresses and physically mailing out role letters That's creep city dude. Looking forward to it!
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On March 14 2013 04:31 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 04:28 Blazinghand wrote:On March 14 2013 04:25 grush57 wrote:On March 14 2013 01:16 Sn0_Man wrote:On March 13 2013 09:57 grush57 wrote:On March 13 2013 08:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Out of curiosity, Why didn't grush vote No-lynch?
If that happens, then the night actions could result in him winning (since it was possible for the bar-tender to have doused the mafia, and for the mafia and bartender to kill each other the final night. Unlikely, but he has no other path to victory... yes I considered that then checked the op On March 13 2013 10:02 grush57 wrote: Plus then they would of probably lynched me. It was definitely allowed and it was definitely your only possible route to victory so... Should have done it where does it say voting for no lynch is allowed. why would scum/3rd party go for that anyways they wouldn't. you just don't vote until the final like few seconds of the day, and then cast your vote in such a way to cause a no-lynch. Is it going to work? well, probably not, they might gang up on you or like whatever but I'd have given in a shot since I like winning in case if a tie the first person to get a vote dies. trust me I wanted to win but I saw no possibility. I'M NOT ACTUALLY A TROLL GUYS :'( Then why not participate in the game and help us so it never got to that point?
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Grush your heartfelt explanations of warmed my heart just a little. No policy lynches in future games for you! (Can't say the same for what other people still think of you)
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