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On February 28 2013 06:21 TestSubject893 wrote: I think you're town now, but I also think that if there are any players who could be fooling me and the town at large, you two are among them. That's why its so scary to me; the cost of being wrong is quite large. Hence my conspiracy theory post....
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Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
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On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves:Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum Show nested quote +I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game. I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum.
I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points)
VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play.
Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle, I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later* The fuck, Mocsta? You suspect yourself? Upon looking back at the horrible mess that was pre-lynch a couple ideas popped into my head but honestly they're not worth voicing because they're way too complicated and unlikely to be true. All the same I REALLY didn't like the Toad/VE fiasco... DrH and to some extent BH seem quote townie to me, DrH especially. If he's not town just like Zare early last game I'd be terrified for us all.
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On February 28 2013 11:05 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves:Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game. I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum.
I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points)
VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play.
Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle, I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later* The fuck, Mocsta? You suspect yourself? Upon looking back at the horrible mess that was pre-lynch a couple ideas popped into my head but honestly they're not worth voicing because they're way too complicated and unlikely to be true. All the same I REALLY didn't like the Toad/VE fiasco... DrH and to some extent BH seem quote townie to me, DrH especially. If he's not town just like Zare early last game I'd be terrified for us all. I added myself because I have nothing to hide and I was one of the ppl who built a case on prome. I think its null I included myself.. I was active enough in promes lynch (in my opinion) that as scum I would have to consider myself in that list regardless. If you think I included myself in that list to then clear myself of suspicion straight after (by saying its unlikely I am scum).. well.. then you really need to read my filter and determine for yourself whether you think I am scum or town. I'm not accusing you of anything, I was just confused to be honest. As far as involvement in the case on Prom forming associations....the problem is I don't feel the Prom flip really accomplished anything aside from lynching scum. Which is great, but since he was gone so early and for so long I don't think we can gather enough concrete info about other people from that. As I said I have some really convoluted suspicions that are possible but not nearly enough to go on, and as people have stated, Occam's Razor.
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On February 28 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote: For what it's worth, I feel like any kind of "building up to not lynch Prom" you're seeing Milk is nullified by the fact that I've been pushing since yesterday to get DocH elected. I did my best to not get elected, I even capsraged. The veteran players didn't want me as Mayor so I wanted to oblige them. Unless for some reason you think that DocH was unlikely to lynch Prom, then your point about me "building up to not lynch Prom" being a problem is moot. At no point did I not want today's lynch to be Prom. Ever. Yeah, and DrH did the same thing, yet here we are.
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On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote: My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus.
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I back, ladies and gents. A couple thoughts before I do a nice little scum case (give me an hour or so): Mocsta, I agree with you about glurio. This is the least scummy he has ever looked and he's okay in my books. (Of course this could mean that he finally learned how to do things right, even as scum, but I find that unlikely). As for Hassy...what makes him scummier than the other people who have been lurking like crazy? Specifically Soniv...he is SO scummy to me right now.
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Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you. For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you.
I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw.
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On March 01 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you. For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you. I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw. VE already mentioned it: He didn't want to be mayor, he rage'ed around the deadline and he was pretty damn unreasonable when he raged. All points that should make someone question VE and yet people ended up voting him as mayor, which is somewhat weird unless it's a "fuck this DrH guy!" attitude going around. I actually agree with him. People voting VE without proper reason are weird because they should have at least stumbled upon his later posts doubting him but they apparently didn't. Uh...here's my proper reason:
On February 28 2013 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm probably not going to be around until 30 min or less before day end, so I'm going to stick with my vote on VE because I have no way of knowing if the plan is going to work out. Good luck, and VE, remember that there are a lot of people who are doing their best to trust you. I haven't thus far seen any reasons you shouldn't be lynching Prom today. This was quite a while before the lynch, well before VE started going nuts. Yes he was flip-flopping a bit and so i could've voted Dr.H instead (didn't want to vote BH, didn't like his single-mindedness) but meh. I wasn't going to be around and VE was a decently safe vote. Hell I even left my vote on him and warned him before I left. Simple as that.
You're welcome to dive into my filter to find more Mocsta, but in my opinion it probably makes more sense to confirm higher-priority targets for tonight/tomorrow like people's thoughts on Vivax or Hassy. I personally have another in mind, but as I said, it's coming.
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Oh and I'll make it even more clear than that post I quoted...I assumed I was going to be around right before the vote but it turned out I wasn't until way after. I was shocked to see all that was going on.
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On March 01 2013 02:59 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 01 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you. For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you. I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw. VE already mentioned it: He didn't want to be mayor, he rage'ed around the deadline and he was pretty damn unreasonable when he raged. All points that should make someone question VE and yet people ended up voting him as mayor, which is somewhat weird unless it's a "fuck this DrH guy!" attitude going around. I actually agree with him. People voting VE without proper reason are weird because they should have at least stumbled upon his later posts doubting him but they apparently didn't. Uh...here's my proper reason: On February 28 2013 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm probably not going to be around until 30 min or less before day end, so I'm going to stick with my vote on VE because I have no way of knowing if the plan is going to work out. Good luck, and VE, remember that there are a lot of people who are doing their best to trust you. I haven't thus far seen any reasons you shouldn't be lynching Prom today. This was quite a while before the lynch, well before VE started going nuts. Yes he was flip-flopping a bit and so i could've voted Dr.H instead (didn't want to vote BH, didn't like his single-mindedness) but meh. I wasn't going to be around and VE was a decently safe vote. Hell I even left my vote on him and warned him before I left. Simple as that. You're welcome to dive into my filter to find more Mocsta, but in my opinion it probably makes more sense to confirm higher-priority targets for tonight/tomorrow like people's thoughts on Vivax or Hassy. I personally have another in mind, but as I said, it's coming. If I didnt have the pardoner campaign in my head.. you would have been green for me. But yes, as it stands you are not a priority read for me.. good luck with ya case, i look forward to reading it. My mindset as to the pardoner campaign was pretty transparent I think. I recognize myself as not being the most experienced player around therefore I could easily take a role nobody wanted to go to someone more...I dunno...'suspect?' and not use it. On top of that I'd be more than willing to sac myself for the good of town if that's what it took (since people were discussing the plan to eliminate pardoner at the time) if people didn't trust me. I was hoping to come up with more during the day as well so if you guys DID have to lynch me you guys could've learned stuff, that's all. You like looking into meta, amirite? Tell me that doesn't fit with my activity last game and I may or may not have learned.
In any case, if you're not looking into me now, save it for later; it's in my filter now. K no more responses 'till I've finished my case.
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Alrighty, here we go:
Why Geript is SCUM
I've been over his shitposting regarding me in the early game which amounted to absolutely nothing since he seems to have dropped it himself, but I'll bring up his last couple thoughts towards me in case people have forgotten:
On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote: I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax.
On February 27 2013 09:00 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 08:07 MilkSuckler wrote:GeriptOn February 26 2013 12:25 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:21 geript wrote: Was referring to the "that post is likely generated by town" comment. My point is that I still don't like how his core fluctuates and it seems more like he's rewriting scripted posts and trying to blend under the newbie umbrella. hhhmmm, I must say the "read" - if you can call it that - on Wade Fell was weak at best and scummily deprived of stance at worst. And serves as stark contrast to the pardoner request post. I noticed in NMM37 some players were writing posts for the lurkers to contribute with; so could be a valid tactic going forward here. @GeriptCan you please identify which components of his post read forced and scripted to you. Do you still feel that way now WoS has increased his post count? + the question in the quotes pls I still feel the post was artificial. But otherwise I'm less strong on him after reviewing the rest of his filter, more null minus instead of scum.
Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here.
On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. So aside from the fact that we were both right, is that alone enough to make us scum in his eyes? One measly post? Reeks heavily of OMGUS.
This is the post that really screamed at me from his filter:
On February 28 2013 16:40 geript wrote: You went on the offensive to prevent anyone else from getting credit. You've lied multiple times about whether or not you wanted to lynch Prome. You've lied multiple times about whether you're running for mayor. You've intentionally tried to grab at pardoner which is a pro-scum role. You've lied about not trying to take credit for the mayor lynch. There's nothing that can be trusted about you. You're scum. VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end.
I'll save my weakest point for last: meta. Have a look at Geript's filter from NMM 37: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=298120 I'll make it easy for you: The first and last pages are irrelevant because they happened before and after the game, respectively. 2 pages of filter full of analysis, pressure on various people (myself included) and even defense of himself when under suspicion. Geript's role that game? Vanilla Town.
Now let's look at his filter from this game (again, first page mostly useless, you can look at the end of page 1):
One liners, martyring, accusations without basis, weak and/or deferred defenses and two cases all game, one that he JUST posted. One of his 'cases' was on me and we've seen how far that went. He has more pages of filter in THIS game, yet has contributed MUCH less. Examples:
On February 28 2013 11:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's explicit in my posts, I have nothing to fear. geript is scum so fear him you should not Fine, then investigate and/or vig me.
On February 27 2013 11:17 geript wrote: Fine then Dr. You think I'm scum. Bring the case.
On February 26 2013 10:58 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts Im too lazy to check, but IIRC you're post structure is different as well. Do you disagree? LEADING TO
On February 26 2013 11:02 geript wrote: @MS yes at points. Which he never addressed despite me asking him to.
On February 26 2013 19:43 geript wrote:Sorry I got caught up at work; major AC leak and a busted urinal within 30 minutes of each other and when I don't usually clean. Had to call people in, explain why I was there, what was going on and why I wasn't responsible for it. First off, there are three distinct tones in WoS key post and I'm going to separate them out. Show nested quote +A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? All this says is that whatever you are about to propose is absolutely retarded. All it says is, "ignore this post." This tone is returned to at the end. Show nested quote +Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. The second tone is the analysis tone: Show nested quote +Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. Basically this says, "trust a newbie to be pardoner." The problem is that his argument falls apart when you really analyze it. You don't want pardoner in the hands of a newbie because it's a free pass for when they get caught for them unless they're lynched D1. I agree with previous analysis, best to put pardoner on the mayor's lynch target. Next the general plea: Show nested quote +I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. This section is especially out of tone for him. I feel like I'm watching C3PO talk to Jabba here. This paragraph especially feels forced; the diction is all wrong for him. His posts are little more than mimicry than anything else in general but this paragraph is nothing of the sort. Next, I actually have to agree with what Prome said. The difference between Vivax response and WoS response is that Vivax actually attacks the argument (If you do A+B then no way you get to C). WoS response was essentially, "You got NK last game." WoS is playing excited this game. Even when he's grabbed a touch of heat, he's not been the slightest concerned about it and continues to "counterpressure" with bleh. I'm going to reread the thread a few times before I head to bed and sleep on it but for right now Vivax and WoS are on the top of my list but I'd need a flip to make a strong case.
Once again this entire case is based on some 'emotional core' and the 'feeling' that I scripted my posts.
Let's go through this recent case though. Does it hold water? (My comments are bolded)
On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote:The case against VE: 1. He's a liar. He's lied about almost everything he's said. He's running for mayor, but he doesn't want to be mayor. I documented this quite well in my previous post so I'm not going to bother continuing with it here. Did he REALLY lie though? Not from what I can see. He flip-flopped a little between whether or not he was 100% gonna vote for Prom but he came through. He never campaigned for mayor despite getting the votes. Not completely reliable maybe, but flat out lie? No.2. He didn't want to remove the pardoner position at all. As of 7:03 we had 7-6-6-5 vote distribution. Not only is there what like 2 hours to consolidate votes on Prom, but we get a clear leader of VE with 9 within 15 minutes. Right before this post: Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I still oppose trying to put Prom as pardoner. Too many variables. Too many lurkers. Too many people who don't want to budge their vote. It's not feasible. Plus Dr. H adds his vote around 7:30. Didn't VE say that he never wavered in wanting to lynch Prome? Didn't VE say he wanted to be pardoner to keep it out of scum's hands? Why not try and force the issue of getting to solve both goals? Lynch Scum, prevent pardoner shennannies. But no, he's wholly against any reasonable attempt to remove the pardoner. That's right folks, there's a clear pro-town plan to wholly remove pardoner and Prome in one fell swoop and VE doesn't want to go for it because it required getting 3 people at max to put votes on Prome. There were multiple people on. There were multiple people paying attention. No reason to think that this plan wouldn't work. VE wanted to keep the pardoner in the game solely so he could be pardoner. Seriously? That whole fiasco was a disaster waiting to happen. The fact that VE commented on it and refused to contribute if anything leans him MORE towards town in my eyes. There are SO many thinsg that could have gone wrong, including but not limited to the fact that tons of people were switching their votes and it would have been very easy for scum to pull off some last minute switch shit, especially since there probably would've have been town doing the same either for the own reasons or to prevent it. Geript REALLY clawing at straws here, it shows.Any bull about vote switches to move Prome into Mayor are completely insane as those people would be vig'd and/or lynched ASAP. 3. He has made multiple attempts at trying to grab the most pro-scum role. Most pro-scum role? Lol. On its own the fact that there were plans to destroy that role from the start probably warded scum off of it completely. And as for multiple attempts to grab it? Yeah so did I, which is maybe why he sees us both as scummy. Our motivations were different though, I fully planned to sac myself if necessary to eliminate the role (which I have explained multiple times), yet VE wanted to keep it. But we're both scummy, right? We have to trust the impeccable reads Geript has been littering us with all game, right? (never mind how wrong he was in NMM)4. He's playing scared. Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 17:36 VisceraEyes wrote: The reason I felt DocH should be mayor 3/4 through the cycle yesterday was because Promethelax was my prime candidate, but because town was in such agreement about him, I considered switching the lynch to someone else, thinking we could reach an easy as fuck majority D2 on Prom. Anyone who has played with me as town knows that I have no fear of doing unorthodox things based on my reads, and no one knows that better than me...so I made a post stepping down to let DocH run the show. DocH would have lynched Promethelax 100%. I want to highlight this section in particular. Other than the blantant lies, Prome brings up two separate points: A. That he's not afraid of doing unorthodox things B. The town majority on Prome was there (aside: even if there were more people like myself who were null-to-null-minus leaning on him, most everyone in the least thought the case had merit and it was an acceptable lynch) His solution to this situation is to "step down"? Stepping down isn't in VE's personality at all; he's Type A personality all the way. He wants to be in the driver's seat. He wants to flash his epeen and gloat left and right. He wants to not only be able to have his pick of the litter and still be able to lynch Prome later. So why not take his target where he pleases? Is he not going to trust his reads? That's pretty easy to rule out due to personality. Is he trying to bend to the will of the people? Maybe, but as he stated, that doesn't fit him. He doesn't give a fuck what other people think of him. Is he scared of the repercussions if he didn't select Prome? Damn right. His goal is survival; nothing less, nothing more. When he got 'stuck' with Mayor he chose the option that would put the least pressure on him. He's avoiding. Day vigs wait to do your job until morning. This is probably the most sound point that Geript makes. I'm willing to attribute the waffling to the contrast of VE's Type-A personality (as Geript put it) with the responsibility to do the right thing as town saw it. VE wanted to do both essentially, and didn't know at the time which he was more likely to do. Still not lying, and honestly fairly noble giving it up to someone who was very clearly tunneling Prom (DrH) and was very obviously going to lynch him. Geript is really just trying to make VE look a lot worse than he does (there are other reasons that make VE look not so shiny in my eyes, but as I've said it's not enough to go on and relies a lot on conspiracy-level mafia play) and is not doing a very good job of it since this is the most he's contributed at all thus far. All that it comes down to is a mafia attempt to get a vig to waste a shot for town and eliminate a mafia-threatening double-vote. Geript = Scum
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On March 01 2013 04:30 geript wrote: I've worked in a psych ward for 2 years. I've worked with DSS kids for another 2 years (almost 90% of which were categorized both by personality type and psych issues). I'm a nursing student currently and have spent another 3 months of clinical in both pscyh and high risk psych. I'm qualified to be able to read your posts and categorize your personality from that. I know you're not afraid to do unorthodox things because you have said that multiple times and the general consensus on the boards was that you have done that before. Here is my earlier example of Geript's behavioural analysis abilities just to add to me case:
On February 26 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts Lol and you thought I was scum then, too. GL with that, bro.
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On March 01 2013 04:37 geript wrote: Dr.H I have you on null plus now after rereading your posts. A liar, ok, but that in and of itself isn't damning and not enough to get you lynched. While I'm not fond of lying in this game in general, I can at least admit to it's usefulness at points. You're keep your own council as is evident by your posts.
Yes I thought about both of you being scum, but both of you being scum makes very little game play sense in the long term as I would expect (as town) you'd be likely to be targeted early or reasonably early. I forget which game it was that I had read previously, but it's like the unwritten rule about Marv; in LYLO, lynch Marv. Makes very little sense in any regard to have 2 people run, passively or actively, for mayor/pardoner. Of the two, VE looks far more like scum to me than you. This I agree with, only slide the scale so that DrH is town and VE is null. Also wait where is DrH lying? Are you calling him out on lying too becasue he changed his mind and sort-of-decided to actively run at one point then backed off? 'Cause that appears to be your definition of lying across the board. Changing one's mind does not= lying.
let me help you out: Prom saying "I am not scum," getting lynched, and flipping red would be lying.
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On March 01 2013 04:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here. It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote: VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end. But how does that make me scum? On the Meta case: If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work. It makes you scum because you've been calling frantically for a vig shot waste and a mayor kill for ages with very little to go on. I admitted that part of your case has merit but I explained my thoughts on that. The rest is just useless.
As far as the meta explanation, what is DR? And yeah, I get that RL is an issue; the only times I can contribute are during downtime at school or when my 2-month old kid is asleep (read: rarely), but I have been contributing nonetheless. Why would you sign up then if you have no time to make meaningful contributions? (I'm also unsure if you're trying to excuse your play this game or last game; I'm assuming you mean this game, but you contributed more often this game in a shorter amount of time {D1}, the posts are just crappier).
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On March 01 2013 05:25 geript wrote: DR= Dominican Republic. I didn't say I didn't have time to make meaningful contributions. I think my points on VE have loads of merit. The Prome train looks like a planned bus; Mocsta is right about that. I'm interested in finding the lead cause of said bus as they're the problem. Speaking of worrying about town cred, I believe I was the first one to hint about that?
On February 28 2013 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote: Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy. And so the herd is herded. Something about this really bothers me. Maybe it's because since the Prom lynch has basically been in effect and agreed upon by most everyone in the thread since like hour 3, it makes it very easy for anyone to manipulate what people do based on this. [conspiracy theory] VE is set up on an easy case thanks to easy Prom bus and entire town puts him on the road to election. He slowly gets more and more waffly so that eventually people move off him, knowing that the town will go wherever prom gets lynched and suddenly pardoner becomes an easier role for mafia to attain. [/conspiracytheory] Obviously this isn't entirely likely and probably not a worthy bus if it was set up from the beginning but there are other ways in which the super early decision of a Prom lynch can benefit, including but not limited to the ability to hide all fucking day. Prom had better be mafia at this point, considering how much confidence was put into this without trying to adhere to any of the plans anyone else has come up with.
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And if you do have time to make meaningful contribution where have they been up until now? So you believe the bus is legit. And apparently you're trying to determine if VE is the head of it? I would expect you have more to go on than this though, and I'm actually very interested in what you have to say now; maybe you and I have come to similar conclusions (I'm not convinced of the bus just yet though).
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On March 01 2013 05:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation. So are you trying to say now that your capsrage wasn't a planned move to try and move Dr.H into the mayor slot intentionally? Maybe not on its own, but it probably was. it's the intention you're misreading. If VE is town, then he is only furthering what he originally said about him not actively trying to attain the mayor role; his own vote change to DrH confirms this. If VE is scum then you're saying he intentionally did it to try and get the pardoner position? I just don't see that as likely on its own; if the scumteam was trying to organize a bus anyway, why not put a scum member as mayor with two votes? I don't believe that DrH is scum so it doesn't make sense to give up the more powerful role to town, especially to someone as active and pro-town as he is.
It is possible they did this to try and mafia dayvig him at a later date or something (since a NK will be difficult with medics and such), but that seems too dangerous to me; for a scumteam the longer DrH is left alive the harder it becomes for them. This is all a little WIFOM-y but I'm trying to get behind your point of view here, and it doesn't quite work.
Care to clarify your thoughts on the bus plan?
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To be clear, Geript, even though you probably don't care (and neither does anyone else, regarding the response to my case, SIGH) there is something I'm looking for to make you seem less scummy to me and so far I'm not seeing it.
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On March 01 2013 06:05 geript wrote:WoS. I've repeatedly taken the position that Pardoner is a far more Pro-Scum role and far better in Scum hands' than Mayor is. As I stated in my case, VE has made multiple announcements that he was interested in pardoner and specifically tried to get the Pardoner role over the Mayor role. Considering the pressure all game to destroy the role completely I doubt that entirely. As is the role is not going to be used; I trust DrH with that. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote: It is possible they did this to try and mafia dayvig him at a later date or something (since a NK will be difficult with medics and such), but that seems too dangerous to me; for a scumteam the longer DrH is left alive the harder it becomes for them. This is all a little WIFOM-y but I'm trying to get behind your point of view here, and it doesn't quite work.
I'm unclear on your antecedent's here. Are you referring to trying to setup VE or DrH to be dayvig'd? DrH Also are you trying to say that this was setup so that I (scum geript) could call for a dayvig on VE/DrH? Because that's a pretty lousy plan. No I'm not saying that because I'm not sure how you fit into the plan I have in my head exactly. Hence the information I'm trying to get out of you to make it clear to me one way or the other. My thoughts on the bus plan. I think it was a planned bus and that one of the people leading the bus is scum. I think that VE was the driver trying to use it to gain town cred. Clear? If that's the extent of how far you think the bus goes that's not enough. I don't like that you're hiding reads directly about me as well [/b][/b]
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