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On March 01 2013 04:37 geript wrote:
Dr.H I have you on null plus now after rereading your posts. A liar, ok, but that in and of itself isn't damning and not enough to get you lynched. While I'm not fond of lying in this game in general, I can at least admit to it's usefulness at points. You're keep your own council as is evident by your posts.
Yes I thought about both of you being scum, but both of you being scum makes very little game play sense in the long term as I would expect (as town) you'd be likely to be targeted early or reasonably early. I forget which game it was that I had read previously, but it's like the unwritten rule about Marv; in LYLO, lynch Marv. Makes very little sense in any regard to have 2 people run, passively or actively, for mayor/pardoner. Of the two, VE looks far more like scum to me than you.
But I didn't lie. I ran for mayor because I only trusted myself at that point to lynch Prom. I wasn't terribly invested in the actual role itself. That's not quite the same as a lie.
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The only possible reason I would intentionally plan a lie in order to become pardoner is that I'm scum.
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On March 01 2013 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Doc I really wish you'd look over OO. I am relatively certain he's scum and you keep ignoring posts I write about him and interactions I have WITH him.
I'm not intentionally ignoring it, I just haven't been able to sit down and read for more than like 20 minutes at a time.
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On March 01 2013 05:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation. So are you trying to say now that your capsrage wasn't a planned move to try and move Dr.H into the mayor slot intentionally?
I know you're newer but me being totally disinterested and not explaining my trains of thought and VE flying off the handle into capsrage is nothing new. It happens in every game. There's nothing sinister about it, it's a personality issue.
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On March 01 2013 05:11 geript wrote:
I didn't say that I changed my mind on your attempt to run for Mayor instead of pardoner. Just that I felt like you lied about your attempt to run for mayor. In reviewing your posts, I stepped back and it looked (to use a previous analogy) more like Apollo in searching for the right guy than a underhanded attempt at pardoner.
No, it was because there was doubt at the time that Prom would be the lynch target so I said I wouldn't mind being mayor. Campaigning isn't really my thing, it's easier for me to try to convince people they should kill Prom than it is to convince people they should vote for me as mayor. I'm trying to avoid my tendency to strongarm my way into being the most significant/talkative player in the game. I posted this on my phone in the parking lot at work as well so it's not like I really had time to push a campaign. My breaktime was better spent reading the thread and trying to absorb as much information as I could.
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On March 01 2013 06:10 geript wrote:
Well then DrH, is it like him to play towards the group in allowing someone else to be elected because that what 'the town' wants?
It's like him to get really offended by criticism and throw everything he worked for out the window. I'm still unsure about his attitudes, why he would drop his convictions to support a lynch he wasn't 100% determined on, but VE approaches this game from a headspace I don't really understand. Right now, I'm more concerned about Toadesstern. I'm convinced that Promethelax was a bus that was planned much earlier than we might think and the fact that Toadesstern used that lynch to arrogantly pat himself on the back and yell about his town cred is very suspect to me.
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On March 01 2013 06:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 06:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 06:10 geript wrote:
Well then DrH, is it like him to play towards the group in allowing someone else to be elected because that what 'the town' wants? It's like him to get really offended by criticism and throw everything he worked for out the window. I'm still unsure about his attitudes, why he would drop his convictions to support a lynch he wasn't 100% determined on, but VE approaches this game from a headspace I don't really understand. Right now, I'm more concerned about Toadesstern. I'm convinced that Promethelax was a bus that was planned much earlier than we might think and the fact that Toadesstern used that lynch to arrogantly pat himself on the back and yell about his town cred is very suspect to me. I guess I have to ask why you never commented on this fact when I brought it up DAY ONE Doc. It was just as relevant then as it is now, considering how strong your opinion of "scumProm" was - his flip shouldn't have changed that much for you.
Because I have a very limited time reading this thread and I can't direct my attention everywhere at once. I've been trying to avoid thinking about Toadesstern for a long time because I have a hard time understanding his posts but I really can't do that at this point.
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I just hadn't paid attention to Toadesstern. I didn't even know he made a case on Promethelax to begin with until like a few hours before the flip happened.
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I should say again the majority of everything that happened the latter half of Day 1 escapes me because I only had 15 minutes at a time to read that thread and went to sleep very soon after I came home from work. I'll make a better effort from this point on to pay attention, I felt very comfortable at that point because I was sure about the Promethelax lynch.
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On March 01 2013 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But we're talking about my posts Doc - it's not about reading Toad's posts or OO's or anyones...we're talking about "Direct Mayoral Opposition" posts.
Yeah, I remember you yelling about Toadesstern and thinking that I don't really have time to read into it. I can't just take your word on it because you said he was scum. I'm inclined to agree with you now, so what is the problem?
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On March 01 2013 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's even consolidated and sucinct like you like - same with the OO case you "didn't have time to read".
I admit my interest level in this thread hasn't been what it should be. I'll correct that, just relax.
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On March 01 2013 06:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well now he's the leader of a scum wagon Doc. I wanted to lynch him yesterday and was called bad and stupid for it.
I would have wanted to go forward with the Promethelax lynch anyway since the idea that Toades is bussing depends on knowing Prom's alignment, right? I was upset with you because you were spamming and having a poor attitude. I don't think you're stupid for suspecting Toades, I never did, I just wasn't willing at the time to do the work required to consider that case.
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You're really making me not want to play this game. If you could not act like a baby for 10 minutes at a time it would be great
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On March 01 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
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Like there's no response to that...whatever, do what you can. I'm waiting.
It'll be a while, I have a lot of errands to run. I've said over and over that I'm not able to have the ideal activity level in this game so I'd appreciate not being unfairly criticized for reading everything that everyone would like me to read. I'll contribute as best as I can, when I'm able. That's just the best I can do. Sorry for being malicious.
I'm going to read as much as I can on Toadesstern, ObviousOne and maybe some others tonight, assuming I can make it home before the deadline hopefully I don't die tonight.
I think we should keep talking about Toadesstern though, everyone seems to agree it's troubling the way he handled the lynch results. I'm inclined to believe at this point that WoS is town because of his focus on conspiracy theories and that geript may be town because of the extremely convoluted way he is approaching scumhunting. I have a big problem with the way Vivax is playing but finding it hard to find scum motivations in there, the way he structured his large post was based on some big misconceptions (about what constitutes scum play and about what is useful to town) but I'm not convinced it's scummy. I will have to look at Vivax again because the 10 minutes I spent last night while drunk wasn't sufficient.
Vivax - what do you think about Toadesstern? Do you think mafia had a plan for Day 1, where do you rest on that?
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On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez.
There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it.
I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely.
Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia.
Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid.
Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true.
That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said.
This is absolute hogwash. He's basing his choices on balance speculation, not actually analyzing anything. Let's take out BC because he's a vet!
Where is the reasoning in this post? He hasn't been able to demonstrate what could possibly be scummy about BloodyCobbler or BlazingHand. Toadesstern is smart enough to know that you can't base a kill on speculation like this. "Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true." - Kinda like the assumption that we should kill random vets because one of them must be mafia?
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On March 01 2013 09:42 The Milkman wrote:
I cannot believe that a sane medic would leave mayor unprotected.
Like, no way in hell.
If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow.
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There are two roleblocks in this game, who was roleblocked by the concussion shot?
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On March 01 2013 09:50 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 09:42 The Milkman wrote:
I cannot believe that a sane medic would leave mayor unprotected.
Like, no way in hell. If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow. Why would you have protected WaveofShadow?
I think he's town and the way he is posting is constructive even if I don't agree with all of his ideas. I definitely would have used it on Vayesh though.
Also, I'm noticing a pattern with all of the people whose Day 1 play I feel really bad about.
1. Accepting the Prom lynch without even trying to push any alternative/look elsewhere
2. Trying to push ObviousOne/JJ as scum targets pretty hard
3. Attacking me a lot without ever calling me scum
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On March 01 2013 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:50 Aquanim wrote:On March 01 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 09:42 The Milkman wrote:
I cannot believe that a sane medic would leave mayor unprotected.
Like, no way in hell. If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow. Why would you have protected WaveofShadow? Lol I don't even understand this one myself. I don't know vets/smurfs...which one is BC?
VayeshMoru
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On March 01 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 09:50 Aquanim wrote:On March 01 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 09:42 The Milkman wrote:
I cannot believe that a sane medic would leave mayor unprotected.
Like, no way in hell. If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow. Why would you have protected WaveofShadow? I think he's town and the way he is posting is constructive even if I don't agree with all of his ideas. I definitely would have used it on Vayesh though. Also, I'm noticing a pattern with all of the people whose Day 1 play I feel really bad about. 1. Accepting the Prom lynch without even trying to push any alternative/look elsewhere 2. Trying to push ObviousOne/JJ as scum targets pretty hard 3. Attacking me a lot without ever calling me scum Which of my ideas don't you agree with? Insight plx, oh wise one.
You had a large post earlier detailing a conspiracy theory which I thought was really misguided thinking - but made me more or less drop all my suspicions against you. Same reason I'm now inclined to think Geript is town, because unlike TestSubject, he has consistently approached the game from that level. While I don't think it's good town play, it's definitely town play imo
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