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DoctorHelvetica
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1. When you say the victim of a hit is notified of a doctor save, what does that mean? Does the victim merely know they were protected by a doctor or do they know who the doctor is? 2. If the Radio Announcer masons with someone for a cycle are they barred from masoning with that person again for the rest of the game? Or is there some sort of waiting period like they just can't choose the same person again for the next cycle? I can only assume if the Sheriff is in the game at all that at least 1 of them would be sane otherwise it's a complete detriment to the town. Not all sanities described in the OP are necessarily present if Sheriff's are in the game, right? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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I'd hope to see people putting more effort into their accusations beyond "lol this guy is mafia". I'm not sure why he would throw in such a half assed "vote for me" post as mafia, but that's all WIFOM bullshit anyway. On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote: Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. Gerpit is the top scum read because he would make a bad lynch regardless if he's town or scum? That's not a reason, you're just calling him stupid more or less. Mafia like to jump on stupid townies don't they? OO has been immediately antagonistic to anyone disagreeing with him also. That's not really indicative of alignment but it certainly isn't protown. Convince me you aren't scum, don't bother trying to explain how Geript is a great scumread because it's not. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol | ||
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1. "Oh, I only did it for discussion" On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote: Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. GREAT DISCUSSION. If, like you claim, you wanted to create a discussion that would benefit the town and reveal peoples intentions you have failed miserably. You have contributed nothing to the discussion. A question was asked of you and you offer absolutely no insight into the point of the RNG, the intentions of your plan, the intention of anything, it's just worthless bloviating. This post is wet garbage. If you want to create a discussion, push your point. That's what town does. Town explains his reasoning, pushes the rest of the town toward his goal. "Hey I'm gonna RNG" and "You're bad player if you don't support RNG" isn't a discussion. You don't have the right to blame the failure of your plan on the rest of the town when you put zero effort into convincing anybody that it was a good idea. Don't dare come out and say you don't really think RNG is a good idea and you only did it as part of some secret scumhunting trap plan because that's bullshit. Please tell me how you planned to find scum or do anything productive this way. 2. RNG isn't transparent. It can't be unless you post a youtube video of you entering everything in and announcing the results. There's no screenshot you can take that proves it was a real RNG. Also this: He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. This sounds like a vet scum in his team told him what to say, or a really bad fake scumhunting. The ideas which gerpit proposes weren't worth responding to. You didn't respond to them. You don't seem interested in it. You seem more interested in day plans and your own candidacy, how is that any better than pointing out the flawed reasoning in someones campaign? His point about the nightkills is directly related to gerpit's platform for mayor so your entire accusation is a complete wash. On February 26 2013 10:21 Promethelax wrote: Because I wanted it to gain some real traction. I had an idea about actually getting close and withdrawing my nomination since if scum was up for lynch they'd be pushing me as mayor where if there was a townie up for lynch they'd be pushing against me. It's a plan that only works if I get support on it. That was the discussion I wanted to spark. Thanks for finally explaining that. Although that's a plan that only works if you withhold information from the town and again has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of discussion except for the one that the scum might be having in their private chat. I don't understand your pressure on Aquanim either. You called him out for a weak accusation of ObviousOne and all of a sudden he's scummy (the best you had done up to that point is argue with VE and point a finger at WoS for bad reason). You ask him to tell you his scumread (which he had already stated and explained) and all he did was basically say the same thing he already said, but now it's townie? It's really unconfident and nothing about aquanims accusations against OO changed at all. That's my best guess for right now. Feel free to convince me otherwise. Which mayor is going to lynch Promethelax again? | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote: A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN actually i just misinterpreted what toades said which is that the town should swing the votes so that the leading lynch candidate is also elected pardoner, i.e. voting for a lynch as such to remove the role from the game entirely not a bad idea but it would be too much of a pain in the ass to orchestrate and mafia shouldn't care enough about the role to put up a fight, certainly gives them a nice platform to throw rocks at anyone who isn't interested in the plan though for not being "pro-town" enough | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I have no intention of fighting with you and if you want to scumhunt with me I'm perfectly willing to do so regardless of your alignment. If anything it should help me get a better read on you no? So why suggest that we scumhunt separately? mafia's goal is to survive and nothing else really, when you're already guilty it's more difficult to push arguments against people you know are innocent, less confidence in it. why argue with you and get lynched if you get elected when he can try to make you stop paying attention to him altogether | ||
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Remember the example of the scummiest post ever from Ver's Guide where tree.hugger said (paraphrase) "Yeah, I think youngminii has really great cases against him. Good scum read. Don't think I'm gonna vote for him though." (They were scum teammates in the end, and even if YM wasn't scum that is a damn scummy thing to say) That's exactly the kind of hesitation that's incredibly suspicious and it isn't too far away from what WoS is saying. He's not willing to call Prom scum despite praising my accusation, so what the hell? Not interested in his ramblings about the pardoner either. Why wouldn't scum, trying to get pardoner, try to do so in the most townlike way possible? Why wouldn't scum use the platform of pardoner/mayor as a method to try to buy credibility with town despite the role not being all that useful? Why should I trust someone who spent more effort explaining why he should be pardoner than trying to ensure we lynch the right way today? Why should I take "scumhunting good, bandwagon (pressure is what this really means) bad" as a pro-town sentiment? | ||
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is this because of that bullshit about how your job as a townie is to prove you're a townie and scumhunting is somehow second to that? | ||
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ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:18 MilkSuckler wrote: DoctorHelvetica.. are you against me voting you for mayor? I don't want to be mayor, no. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:26 randombum wrote: Just caught up, some thoughts. The idea of setting up votes so the the pardoner is the lynch target seems ridiculous. Here's a crazy idea. What if we try to get scum elected on purpose. The idea is the mayor will probably not last every long in this set-up anyways. My plan is basically we get a scummy person in the thread elected as mayor and get him to lynch the scummiest. Depending on what he does and how the flip goes we can gain a lot of good information. If the mayor is unwilling to lynch the scummiest then we can vig the mayor. If he turns red then we have caught two scum. If he does lynch him and he turns red then good, the scummiest looking player was scum. If the mayor lynches the scummiest and he turns green, then we have to seriously look at the mayor. If the mayor also turns out green, then the town really sucked. Basically we use this vote to choose our lynch target and put a scummy player in the spotlight by making him mayor. While normally having a scum mayor would really suck, the fact that there are no bodyguards make it far less risky because we can simply vig him if his play sucks. I have a crazier idea, what if we instead just try to lynch scum because that's the whole point of this game if you're town. Hear me out, but I think if we lynched scum every day, we would win the game. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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As town it doubles the huge incentive that mafia already have to hit me and as mafia it doubles the intensity of the spotlight and accusations. The added pressure on either side fucks with my game and I don't play as well in a mayor game. I don't see the role as particularly useful without bodyguards because the mayor is going to be lynched or killed either way. I feel more comfortable on the outside looking in if that makes sense. I'm trying to stop posting too much (as I have been every game and failed in every game). That should be reason enough. If I think the lynch is going in the wrong direction I might run though. @WoS, please don't use your meta as a bailout for bad or scummy play. Just try to improve. Focus on hunting scum and explain your reasoning better. I have zero interests in your ideas about the campaign. If Promethelax is your top scumread, why are you hesitant to push for him to be lynched? Is not the goal of the game to lynch scum? If Prom is town, we all move on with the information we have and continue to push and pressure until the town wins. It's not going to be a perfect victory so don't get caught up in your own lack of confidence. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:35 randombum wrote: Why are you treating gathering information and lynching scum as mutually exclusive. This plan involves lynching the scum target and putting another in the spotlight. I could get it if you said something like "this plan would never work because...." or something like that, but to simply dismiss it because gathering information is bad? no one cares about or likes your plan so tell us who we should lynch or who you think the mayor should be. if you want to have a scum mayor, that's essentially the same question right? | ||
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On February 26 2013 11:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why would anyone who is town offer an RNG solution? You seriously pushed it then when everyone called it stupid you say it's just for discussion? Now that I'm reading filters I've changed my mind. Promethelax needs to be lynched. 1. "Oh, I only did it for discussion" GREAT DISCUSSION. If, like you claim, you wanted to create a discussion that would benefit the town and reveal peoples intentions you have failed miserably. You have contributed nothing to the discussion. A question was asked of you and you offer absolutely no insight into the point of the RNG, the intentions of your plan, the intention of anything, it's just worthless bloviating. This post is wet garbage. If you want to create a discussion, push your point. That's what town does. Town explains his reasoning, pushes the rest of the town toward his goal. "Hey I'm gonna RNG" and "You're bad player if you don't support RNG" isn't a discussion. You don't have the right to blame the failure of your plan on the rest of the town when you put zero effort into convincing anybody that it was a good idea. Don't dare come out and say you don't really think RNG is a good idea and you only did it as part of some secret scumhunting trap plan because that's bullshit. Please tell me how you planned to find scum or do anything productive this way. 2. RNG isn't transparent. It can't be unless you post a youtube video of you entering everything in and announcing the results. There's no screenshot you can take that proves it was a real RNG. Also this: This sounds like a vet scum in his team told him what to say, or a really bad fake scumhunting. The ideas which gerpit proposes weren't worth responding to. You didn't respond to them. You don't seem interested in it. You seem more interested in day plans and your own candidacy, how is that any better than pointing out the flawed reasoning in someones campaign? His point about the nightkills is directly related to gerpit's platform for mayor so your entire accusation is a complete wash. Thanks for finally explaining that. Although that's a plan that only works if you withhold information from the town and again has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of discussion except for the one that the scum might be having in their private chat. I don't understand your pressure on Aquanim either. You called him out for a weak accusation of ObviousOne and all of a sudden he's scummy (the best you had done up to that point is argue with VE and point a finger at WoS for bad reason). You ask him to tell you his scumread (which he had already stated and explained) and all he did was basically say the same thing he already said, but now it's townie? It's really unconfident and nothing about aquanims accusations against OO changed at all. That's my best guess for right now. Feel free to convince me otherwise. Which mayor is going to lynch Promethelax again? I demand a response from Promethelax and everyone who does not think Promethelax is scum or actually believe him to be town to explain exactly why in detail. | ||
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You're letting Prom get away with absolutely zero pressure. He has ignored my case and went on and on about his stupid townread on Grush and you're okay with letting your top scumread just completely ignore the heat? | ||
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On February 26 2013 13:19 randombum wrote: Honestly, I'm not good enough to figure out mafia day one based purely off what people have posted. That's partly why I find a plan which is designed get as much information as possible so appealing. Electing someone mayor that you think is scum doesn't give you any information. Making that decision depends on the fact that you can figure out mafia on day one since you would need to do that anyway to elect a scum mayor. You're not making sense to me. | ||
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