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Wade Fell
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VisceraEyes
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Wade Fell
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MilkSuckler
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On February 26 2013 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote: So in what way has my play left you more comfortable than Wade's? I haven't made anything like a concrete case on Prom - at least not one as comprehensive as yours and Wade's have been. Well I havent said anything prior to that point specifically on you, because there is no need to share town reads. For me: your playstyle is very different to Nomination mafia. In that game you had a vibe that was just too smooth, its why i thought you were scum. (Too clean = fake + you got lazy in the end) This game I get a lot more conviction and transparency in thought process. I know that doesn't guarantee town; but based on two distinct playstyles within a few days apart.. I am willing to go with my gut and say town read. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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MilkSuckler
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On February 26 2013 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, so your metric is "probability of being town" rather than "ability to find and eliminate scum" regarding mayoral selection, am I reading that correctly? Well I dont see how the metric "ability to find and eliminate scum' applies to Day1. Just cause you can solve the game; doesnt make you town. And until a flip, there is no evidence of eliminating scum. My read on you is situational because I just played a game with you for a fuckn long time. Again; your probing is either: you think im scummy - of which be a man and declare intentions Or what is the point? I assume you read through my filter: Do you have questions to want to ask me directly while we are both here? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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The day is still young obviously but that makes voting for a mayor extremely difficult, knowing that right now we have a choice of essentially 2-3 active members when there may be other valid choices who haven't spoken their minds yet. I'm not rushing to commit. This goes for scumhunting too; it really makes me hate D1 because half of the people in the game go completely unscrutinized while it's entirely possible that it's 8 or so townies are flinging shit at each other. Talking more about Prom is not helpful until he's ready to respond, I demand that he respond to my case in full and explain his reasoning adequately. It's worth noting that Vivax has 2 full pages in his filter with zero content. This is the kind of thing I like and what I was trying to allude towards earlier when I was torn apart for whatever reason by Dr. H. We need to be looking everywhere for scum, not just at the people who are right under our noses. As far as Vivax goes, again I'm afraid I can't offer anything useful. Endless questions and banter does not a filter make. On February 26 2013 11:09 ObviousOne wrote: Martyring? LOL That is a fairly inaccurate representation of what I'm doing here. You could have tunneled on me just as easily if I said "fucked if I know who is scum" and the only pressure I'm feeling right now is coming from my bowels care of this afternoon's tacos. ObviousOne's looks remarkably similar with a promise to be more active when he wakes up; I look forward to that and expect it, since he attempted to draw attention and pressure toward himself. Geript on the other hand still hasn't responded to my questions regarding his meta diving and buddying with who he presumes to be Mocsta. On February 26 2013 10:05 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 09:27 geript wrote: Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. That answer or this one? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? As of now I would also consider VE for mayor. He considers himself a good candidate for mayor but when shot down (due to 'newbie status or not') he switches to VE. He hasn't changed his vote yet since he hasn't returned in a long time but it is interesting to note that the next person to jump on VE-for-mayor (other than VE himself who is constantly switching his vote) is none other than our current scum candidate, Prom. This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1. Regarding Geript himself, I'm really not a fan of his tunneling me for reasons that needed to be left behind last game, but the fact that he is doing this either means he is, in fact playing the exact same game as he played last time, meaning he sucks at reads and is town, or he is specifically looking to act the same way. Either way, Geript, counterpressure time. I expect answers to my questions when you get back. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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MilkSuckler
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As for post-case: I am still suspicious and will continue to monitor motives. He made a "case" on prome which added no new context (in fairness there was no new content from prome). Though Dr.H/you/me/WF agree on the prome tells.... its not hard to sheep that sentiment when being the last contributor. For me that is not the issue though. My problem is that I interpreted his actions as posting the prome casef was as if it was original content; and thus, was establishing himself to net mayor/pardoner votes. - Essentially a campaign pitch founded upon a sheep case. This may be a harsh assessment, and I am willing to re-read the post in question when I have a fresh head. (i.e. later tonight) I will give him credit that he has changed his tone somewhat since the whole "vet comments". Still overall, I need to firstly mull over promes responses (when released) and then see how WF intends to follow-through. In short: I am suspicious of WF, and my strongest scum read is still prome. | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On February 26 2013 16:15 WaveofShadow wrote: This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1. WoS, can you please flesh this out a bit more: help me understand. Why is it obvious prome was looking to clear his name? Who sullied his name in the first place? | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On February 26 2013 16:22 MilkSuckler wrote: [QUOTE]On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote:My problem is that I interpreted his actions as posting the prome casef was as if it was original content; and thus, was establishing himself to net mayor/pardoner votes. - Essentially a campaign pitch founded upon a sheep case. This may be a harsh assessment, and I am willing to re-read the post in question when I have a fresh head. (i.e. later tonight) Other posters have outlined why this is enormously scummy, /QUOTE] zZz [QUOTE]On February 26 2013 16:22 MilkSuckler wrote: I will give him credit that he has changed his tone somewhat since the whole "vet comments". [/quote] lol this is like literally not a reason to ever give anyone a town read. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On February 26 2013 16:31 Wade Fell wrote: zZz lol this is like literally not a reason to ever give anyone a town read. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
Did i give you a town read? The answer is "no" I said I gave you some credit, nothing more, nothing less. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On February 26 2013 16:35 MilkSuckler wrote: Did i give you a town read? The answer is "no" I said I gave you some credit, nothing more, nothing less. being nice is worth 0 credit here this explains for you | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On February 26 2013 16:29 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS, can you please flesh this out a bit more: help me understand. Why is it obvious prome was looking to clear his name? Who sullied his name in the first place? The way I see it, he realized he fucked up once VE caught on. On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote: This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. I asked earlier on but it was ignored as far as I remember, why exactly would anyone bring up RNG at all? Is it ever a good idea? It seems to me that in every instance I have ever heard of RNG vote being talked about it has been shut down almost immediately so VE's suspicion makes sense though he doesn't delve into it here. After that, Prom immediately jumps on me as a scum read which is proven worthless by both VE early and later by me, a post which Prom himself says he 'likes.' He then switches his vote to VE. At this point the Prom train is already running and plenty of other cases have been made against him which he constantly ignores all the while switching his focus all over the place, finally ending up at Wade. I don't think I need to summarize in total all of the reasons other people have looked into as to why Prom looks scummy but for me at least it's all of the vote and focus switching along with the initial RNG attempted 'discussion.' | ||
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WaveofShadow
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MS, Prom himself mentioned that you are Mocsta...Geript only seems to agree with this after it was already mentioned. Now I'm REALLY not going to be any good at looking into meta aside from what I've already said about Geript, but to me if this is true you've definitely changed your game around quite a bit. What do you have to say about that and the fact that Geript is buddying you real hard? He also never responded to you saying his post structure was different aside from disagreeing with you 'at points' and not explaining himself. Maybe I can get some insight from you before he gets back and what he says will corroborate in some way? | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 26 2013 16:42 WaveofShadow wrote: The way I see it, he realized he fucked up once VE caught on. I asked earlier on but it was ignored as far as I remember, why exactly would anyone bring up RNG at all? Is it ever a good idea? It seems to me that in every instance I have ever heard of RNG vote being talked about it has been shut down almost immediately so VE's suspicion makes sense though he doesn't delve into it here. After that, Prom immediately jumps on me as a scum read which is proven worthless by both VE early and later by me, a post which Prom himself says he 'likes.' He then switches his vote to VE. At this point the Prom train is already running and plenty of other cases have been made against him which he constantly ignores all the while switching his focus all over the place, finally ending up at Wade. I don't think I need to summarize in total all of the reasons other people have looked into as to why Prom looks scummy but for me at least it's all of the vote and focus switching along with the initial RNG attempted 'discussion.' I am not sure if this answers my question to be frank. I wasnt looking for a case on prome; I wanted to know why you thought he had to clear his name. The quotes from toad/VE arent directly referencing prome as scum; they are simply probing into his intentions. What you have presented (to me) does not indicate sullying of prome; nor him requiring to clear his name. If you think you did answer the question, let me know where I am misinterpreting. | ||
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