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On February 26 2013 16:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I realized something else while going through Prom's filter...
MS, Prom himself mentioned that you are Mocsta...Geript only seems to agree with this after it was already mentioned.
Now I'm REALLY not going to be any good at looking into meta aside from what I've already said about Geript, but to me if this is true you've definitely changed your game around quite a bit.
What do you have to say about that and the fact that Geript is buddying you real hard? He also never responded to you saying his post structure was different aside from disagreeing with you 'at points' and not explaining himself.
Maybe I can get some insight from you before he gets back and what he says will corroborate in some way?
prome can say what he wants.
I am who I am.
This game isnt to prove whether or not I am mocsta or <insert whoever else>. We are looking for scum.
As for Geript buddying me; his filter shows one independent question sent my way.
That in conjunction with a lack of kneepad work towards me; I dont see where the buddying claim originates from?
But yes, I agree he never responded to my query; and I am still seeking an answer to that. So yes, he is another fucker I am currently suspicious of.
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I'm not so sure what is difficult to understand about that...the beginning of the probing inevitably leads to other people catching on as well.
Any thoughts on my post after that?
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Ok you answered it.
I'm not concerned as to whether you are Mocsta or not, but clearly Geript is.
On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much?
On February 26 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
I'll hit that up Moc when I'm not on my phone.
It's a psychological thing Geript is revealing about himself here. He recognized someone he appears to 'know' (based on last game once again) and already assumes you and him share a rapport by referring to you as 'Moc,' and the fact that he assumed you are Mocsta in the first place, not even referring to a realization of the fact. He already assumes you two have a friendly connection, hence, 'buddying.'
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On February 26 2013 16:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because his RNG case and scumread on me looked scummy. The quotes probe into his intentions but that is where the suspicion began and where I believe Prom realized he fucked up, as he said, forcing him to try and make himself look less scummy by voting VE and calling me 'super townie.'
OK, so you think he preempted the RNG being treated as scummy.
Why do you think the scumread on you was scummy?
And why do you think he would risk more "limelight" by doing a 180 on his read and declaring you super townie? - Does this not directly oppose the intention of "clearing one's name"?
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On February 26 2013 16:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok you answered it. I'm not concerned as to whether you are Mocsta or not, but clearly Geript is. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much? Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
I'll hit that up Moc when I'm not on my phone. It's a psychological thing Geript is revealing about himself here. He recognized someone he appears to 'know' (based on last game once again) and already assumes you and him share a rapport by referring to you as 'Moc,' and the fact that he assumed you are Mocsta in the first place, not even referring to a realization of the fact. He already assumes you two have a friendly connection, hence, 'buddying.'
I didnt read it that way. When was referring to .?Mocsta? I enquired whether he was talking to me.
It is common to address smurfs by who you think they are (Look at FiveTouch in Mafia LIX)
Now question for you:
Why would it matter Geript is "buddying" up to me? Why not the plethora of other players?
I checked the playing list for NMM37, you and Geript were in that.. why not buddy you to develop this rapport?
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Hiya I'm back. Rereading the thread now, it is a laborious process. Any specific questions for me?
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Little too WIFOM for my tastes but I'll take it anyway.
On February 26 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok I'm back. Just kidding about lurking, y'all! Appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion, Aquanim. Let's see what my extremely extensive D1 filter has reeled in. Oh look, a wild Promethelax who drops a scumread on me along with this timeless wisdom: Show nested quote +I can't read him on meta because I haven't played with him. Which is why I read him on behaviour instead. You were a scum coach in his one townie game. Do you have any insight you wanna share? At which point VE can't even contribute because I apparently 'lurked hard' D1 in my NMM game (despite the fact that if he even took 5 seconds to look at my filter from that game I was one of the highest post counts that day, well above the real lurkers in that game).
The scumread on me was scummy as it was based on almost nothing, especially since he focussed me when Vivax did the exact same thing, as VE stated.
On February 26 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:07 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Prom that's closer to what I'm looking for. Why do you prefer to lynch WoS over Vivax? Because I don't care to lynch Vivax. I know I'm the only guy on the forum who thinks this but Vivax is a good player and useful to town when town. Also, as Marv showed in fruity, he is catchable as scum on meta alone. Tl:dr I have a scum read on WoS and not on Vivax. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly?
lol Explain plz. Vivax is equally guilty of what you're accusing WoS of.
As for the 180, sure you can call it 'pressure' or whatever but that early in the game and based on nothing? What did he have to gain as town by doing that? In any case it's not the 180 on me that concerns me as much as the other stuff, and especially the vote switch.
On February 26 2013 17:04 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok you answered it. I'm not concerned as to whether you are Mocsta or not, but clearly Geript is. On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much? On February 26 2013 12:29 geript wrote:
I'll hit that up Moc when I'm not on my phone. It's a psychological thing Geript is revealing about himself here. He recognized someone he appears to 'know' (based on last game once again) and already assumes you and him share a rapport by referring to you as 'Moc,' and the fact that he assumed you are Mocsta in the first place, not even referring to a realization of the fact. He already assumes you two have a friendly connection, hence, 'buddying.' I didnt read it that way. When was referring to .?Mocsta? I enquired whether he was talking to me. It is common to address smurfs by who you think they are (Look at FiveTouch in Mafia LIX) Now question for you: Why would it matter Geript is "buddying" up to me? Why not the plethora of other players? I checked the playing list for NMM37, you and Geript were in that.. why not buddy you to develop this rapport?
I'm asking you why you think it would matter because as I said before, I'm curious to hear his own intentions on the matter. And as for buddying again, obvious....because he made it very clear he thinks I'm 'scum.'
I'm curious as to why I have to prove everything I say to you even though everything has already been proven elsewhere in the thread? Multiple times if I remember correctly. (See DoctorHelvetica's long case on Prom, I'm sick of filter diving to prove everything to you).
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EBWOP (because you posted as I was writing this):
The WIFOM in my post refers to this post by you.
On February 26 2013 17:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because his RNG case and scumread on me looked scummy. The quotes probe into his intentions but that is where the suspicion began and where I believe Prom realized he fucked up, as he said, forcing him to try and make himself look less scummy by voting VE and calling me 'super townie.' OK, so you think he preempted the RNG being treated as scummy. Why do you think the scumread on you was scummy? And why do you think he would risk more "limelight" by doing a 180 on his read and declaring you super townie? - Does this not directly oppose the intention of "clearing one's name"?
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And with that, I'm off to bed.
Hopefully I've given you enough material to work with MS (because that's the only reason I could see you asking obvious questions that you could get the answers to yourself) until tomorrow.
It's funny this back-and-forth actually does seem very 'Mocsta-y' of you...so if you were trying to hide it then you're slipping.
Not that it matters any.
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WoS: I am asking for clarification because:
I am trying to get a better appreciation of how you think; and instead of assume why you are making decisions I would rather you tell.
The quotes are nice; but dot points would have sufficed 
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On February 26 2013 17:04 MilkSuckler wrote:
Now question for you:
Why would it matter Geript is "buddying" up to me? Why not the plethora of other players?
I checked the playing list for NMM37, you and Geript were in that.. why not buddy you to develop this rapport? On February 26 2013 17:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm asking you why you think it would matter because as I said before, I'm curious to hear his own intentions on the matter. And as for buddying again, obvious....because he made it very clear he thinks I'm 'scum.'
Yes you asked the question, and I responded i don't believe he is buddying.
as for moc being shorthanded to establish rapport; did you consider he could have posted on the phone and it was simply easier?
I think you are grasping at the equivalent of a scum slip; and that certainly can not form the foundation for scrutiny.
If you think he is buddying me; because he thinks you are scum; and I expressed doubt regarding you at the time... then what does that make of Dr.H/me/VE/Wade Fell who have made cases on prome?
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So I will re-ask:
(1)why are you so fixated on this buddying claim as a meaningful contribution?
(2)And why ignore promes buddying of vivax?
I know you did a short dive of Vivax, but I did not see you direct any counter pressure his way?
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Yo MilkSuckler, who do you want for mayor at the moment and why?
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On February 26 2013 17:30 Aquanim wrote:
Yo MilkSuckler, who do you want for mayor at the moment and why?
My first choice is Dr.H but he doesnt want it.
If no one else steps up over the next 30hrs then:
On February 26 2013 15:47 MilkSuckler wrote:
I am comfortable enough with VE play so far to vote him for a role.
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I'm also going to bed.
Milky...
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Everyone should feel free to vote me but I don't like my chances. Thread sentiment is something of a specialty of mine and I think the best I can hope for is Pardoner - which is fine with me, though I'm not really inclined to use it. Simply knowing it's not in scum control is absolutely fine with me.
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What about you aqua with mayor?
Also, now that there has been an addition 10-20 pages; is your top read still OO?
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On February 26 2013 17:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Milky
Watch me all you want VE. Just make sure you don't forget to scum hunt as well
Night
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On February 26 2013 17:39 MilkSuckler wrote:Watch me all you want VE. Just make sure you don't forget to scum hunt as well Night
Not sure if veiled remark on our last game insinuating I'm scum...
...or subtle town claim.
Anyway, night!
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On February 26 2013 17:38 MilkSuckler wrote:
What about you aqua with mayor?
Also, now that there has been an addition 10-20 pages; is your top read still OO?
Agreed, if DocH wanted it I'd vote for him. I intend to properly read up on Wade Fell - if I end up thinking he's town (which I think I will, but we'll see) then I wouldn't be against him as mayor. After all, in this setup mayor will probably die pretty fast, and if WF is NK'd I won't be devastated.
Obvious still hasn't done anything to make me think he's town at all. I've skimmed the last ten pages or so but haven't thoroughly read them yet. I think I need to go read some previous games of Prom to decide whether the case on him is good, it seems to be mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions.
Still rereading so my reads are a work in progress.
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I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves.
I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours.
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