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On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote:
For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him.
How about some feedback on what I wrote.
You agree or disagree.
Do you think I am grasping at straws, or is the logic valid?
Critique me and prove that your shadowing of VE paid off.
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Why are you asking me for permission. I am not your mayor.
Your actions are YOUR responsibility.
But mine (and others) to judge 
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On February 26 2013 14:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I really didn't like was his suggestion that we put grush/WoS into office simply because from his perspective they're "obviously town" or whatever.\ Like he's just assuming that the optimal play is to fill the positions with most likely townies rather than considering the relative strength of the roles...which is okay I guess but he hasn't made that objective explicit in his posting. For that reason it seems scum-motivated to me.
Noted, I agree - you can not attribute wanting to put in "confirmed town" into the role as scummy - as not enough information (conveniently) to ascertain motive.
However, we can query whether his "confirmed town" reads carry conviction and due diligence.
For example: He clearly said WoS >> Vivax. Why is Vivax even close to a (implied) town read based on what has been presented?
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On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote:
Firstly, The only people in this thread making any sense are VE and DrH. Besides them and myself nobody should even be considered for the mayoral role.
This vet circle jerking has to stop now
Being a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others.
Further it does not guarantee you are town.
All members of this game have a responsibility to be transparent in play and present well-reasoned thoughts.
Perhaps, players with lower experience would not make as capable a mayor as a vet; however:
(1) This mayor role is nerfed without BG - so the outcome of vet/new is of less importance
&
(2) Less experience is not synonymous with being incapable of reasoned thought that is CORRECT.
I don't have a problem with your prome case; I already commented on pretty much everything you wrote, a fair bit before you wrote it. But I guess it doesn't make sense, not coming from a confirmed vet.
The quicker you get over your game of 'soggy biscuit'; the quicker we are going to get along.
This is a scum player grasping for someone to point the finger at, someone to blame. This falls perfectly in line with what DrH says here (link) when he quotes from Ver's guide. .
Nice blatant buddying here. Im guessing you buy ya kneepads on bulk discount...
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It was a comment in general.
It was spurred because of his post though.
I think vets have a tendency to just ignore posts from non-vets; perhaps thats a valid way to separate wheat from chuff.
Note: I am actually not interested in running for mayor; as most have figured out, my campaign pitch was a joke.
The post was made because I don't want to feel my contributions are being ignored (unless they are totally shit house - which I do not think they are)
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On February 26 2013 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's quite the poisonous mindset you have there MilkMaid.
Further, perhaps the delivery was overtly aggressive; but the intention was far from poisonous.
Yes I know super town players exist that can solve the game blah blah; but comments like everyone is stupid just listen to us three are dangerous.
VE/Dr.H/WF are not confirmed town; and he is setting up people to blatantly sheep them by intimidation via experience.
Out of those three; Dr.H for me is the closet thing to be confirmed town.. and he has applied the same attitude to EVERYONE. Not just non-vets.
I am intercepting something before it grows out of control; and would make the same post again (perhaps less aggressively)
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On February 26 2013 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's just interesting to hear you say that when I've been in here trying to back and forth with you about Prom after commenting on your case and this is what I get in response - that I'm participating in what you perceive as "vet circle-jerking".
I mentioned liking your case, but apparently that's not good enough. Think about it.
The comment was not directed at you VE; but yes in hindsight I can see why you interpreted it that way. Apologies.
Is this something you want to further discuss; or is the matter closed?
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At the start of the game, several smurfs shared the same attitude to just say everyone else is dumb etc etc
Im making an assumption they are vet smurfs - which I think is fair. Hence, my comment was more affiliated with them + WF;
Mayor: I don't think will be the only voice; but certainly is a voice that may end up louder than all others. Or being treated as louder by the less enthusiastic players. So yes, I do envisage sheeping.
Im not really sure of the point of these questions; either you are extending this question session because you think I am a scum;
or...
I don't get it.
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On February 26 2013 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
MilkyBaby I'm gonna filter you if that's all right. Anything you want to tell me before I do?
Go ahead
Start by ctrl+f "/confirm"
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On February 26 2013 15:38 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 15:08 MilkSuckler wrote:
This vet circle jerking has to stop now
Being a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others. For all you know I'm warbaby. How srs are you claiming a smurf is throwing around his vet status?
Lol that made me laugh
You're def not warbaby - post structure doesnt match; but that makes you someone aware of the NMM games.
Even if you are not a vet; by comparing yourself to Dr.H/VE you are insinuating you are.
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On February 26 2013 15:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:23 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript How about... "no" :/ You seemed okay drowning out relative newbies earlier on.
It would pay to invest the time and read the entire filter before proceeding to post snippets.
Down the track I outline my issues with Geript campaign - which should provide motivations to that response.
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On February 26 2013 15:41 Wade Fell wrote:
And legitimately, if there is an attitude that we should only read what vets post, it needs to stop, because you can't form a read on someone without listening to what they have to say. Currently I strongly believe there are three people who could be elected mayor. I'm perfectly comfortable engaging with, discussing with, and listening to the ideas of everyone in the town. In fact, it's how I find scum. If I was not perfectly clear about that, I apologise for my ambiguity.
Thank you. This is what I meant in the first place.
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On February 26 2013 15:42 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 15:40 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 15:38 Wade Fell wrote:On February 26 2013 15:08 MilkSuckler wrote:
This vet circle jerking has to stop now
Being a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others. For all you know I'm warbaby. How srs are you claiming a smurf is throwing around his vet status? Lol that made me laugh You're def not warbaby - post structure doesnt match; but that makes you someone aware of the NMM games. Even if you are not a vet; by comparing yourself to Dr.H/VE you are insinuating you are. DrH and VE are just the people who IMO should be elected mayor. They're contributing to the town discussion. In your own way, you are as well, but I don't want to elect you mayor. I do want to elect myself mayor, so I fall into a category with those two. I'm not "insinuating" anything.
Yes but Dr.H does not want the role.
That leaves you advocating yourself and VE for two roles.
I am comfortable enough with VE play so far to vote him for a role. You on the other hand, I would prefer more choices. That thought might change as the cycle progresses; but I can only comment on the existing status quo.
(BTW, I already stated before, I wasn't interested in the role either.. my initial pitch was a joke hence the copy/paste)
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On February 26 2013 15:48 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 15:45 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 15:41 Wade Fell wrote:
And legitimately, if there is an attitude that we should only read what vets post, it needs to stop, because you can't form a read on someone without listening to what they have to say. Currently I strongly believe there are three people who could be elected mayor. I'm perfectly comfortable engaging with, discussing with, and listening to the ideas of everyone in the town. In fact, it's how I find scum. If I was not perfectly clear about that, I apologise for my ambiguity. Thank you. This is what I meant in the first place. Just fyi I don't believe such an attitude currently exists in this game, if for no reason other than the smurfs. If people are disagreeing with you it's not because you're black
Well no one has disagreed vehemently (yet).
However, as I said before: I was trying to intercept/circumvent something that to me looked like an inevitable occurrence.
Anyways, Im still waiting for prome to answer all the queries addressed to him; so looks like time for a re-read.
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On February 26 2013 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
So in what way has my play left you more comfortable than Wade's? I haven't made anything like a concrete case on Prom - at least not one as comprehensive as yours and Wade's have been.
Well I havent said anything prior to that point specifically on you, because there is no need to share town reads.
For me: your playstyle is very different to Nomination mafia.
In that game you had a vibe that was just too smooth, its why i thought you were scum. (Too clean = fake + you got lazy in the end)
This game I get a lot more conviction and transparency in thought process. I know that doesn't guarantee town; but based on two distinct playstyles within a few days apart.. I am willing to go with my gut and say town read.
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On February 26 2013 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, so your metric is "probability of being town" rather than "ability to find and eliminate scum" regarding mayoral selection, am I reading that correctly?
Well I dont see how the metric "ability to find and eliminate scum' applies to Day1.
Just cause you can solve the game; doesnt make you town.
And until a flip, there is no evidence of eliminating scum.
My read on you is situational because I just played a game with you for a fuckn long time.
Again; your probing is either: you think im scummy - of which be a man and declare intentions
Or
what is the point?
I assume you read through my filter: Do you have questions to want to ask me directly while we are both here?
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I didnt like his play prior to his case on prome. - that should be obvious for the filter dive.
As for post-case:
I am still suspicious and will continue to monitor motives.
He made a "case" on prome which added no new context (in fairness there was no new content from prome).
Though Dr.H/you/me/WF agree on the prome tells.... its not hard to sheep that sentiment when being the last contributor. For me that is not the issue though.
My problem is that I interpreted his actions as posting the prome casef was as if it was original content; and thus, was establishing himself to net mayor/pardoner votes. - Essentially a campaign pitch founded upon a sheep case. This may be a harsh assessment, and I am willing to re-read the post in question when I have a fresh head. (i.e. later tonight)
I will give him credit that he has changed his tone somewhat since the whole "vet comments".
Still overall, I need to firstly mull over promes responses (when released) and then see how WF intends to follow-through.
In short: I am suspicious of WF, and my strongest scum read is still prome.
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On February 26 2013 16:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1.
WoS, can you please flesh this out a bit more: help me understand.
Why is it obvious prome was looking to clear his name? Who sullied his name in the first place?
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On February 26 2013 16:31 Wade Fell wrote:wow I am the quotemaster Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:31 Wade Fell wrote:On February 26 2013 16:22 MilkSuckler wrote:
My problem is that I interpreted his actions as posting the prome casef was as if it was original content; and thus, was establishing himself to net mayor/pardoner votes. - Essentially a campaign pitch founded upon a sheep case. This may be a harsh assessment, and I am willing to re-read the post in question when I have a fresh head. (i.e. later tonight) On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote:
Other posters have outlined why this is enormously scummy, zZz On February 26 2013 16:22 MilkSuckler wrote:
I will give him credit that he has changed his tone somewhat since the whole "vet comments".
lol this is like literally not a reason to ever give anyone a town read.
Did i give you a town read?
The answer is "no"
I said I gave you some credit, nothing more, nothing less.
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On February 26 2013 16:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:29 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 16:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
This could mean any one of a number of things, the most obvious being that Prom was looking for an easy way to clear his name; that is, to jump on voting someone for Mayor even if said person was going to lynch him D1. WoS, can you please flesh this out a bit more: help me understand. Why is it obvious prome was looking to clear his name? Who sullied his name in the first place? The way I see it, he realized he fucked up once VE caught on. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. I asked earlier on but it was ignored as far as I remember, why exactly would anyone bring up RNG at all? Is it ever a good idea? It seems to me that in every instance I have ever heard of RNG vote being talked about it has been shut down almost immediately so VE's suspicion makes sense though he doesn't delve into it here. After that, Prom immediately jumps on me as a scum read which is proven worthless by both VE early and later by me, a post which Prom himself says he 'likes.' He then switches his vote to VE. At this point the Prom train is already running and plenty of other cases have been made against him which he constantly ignores all the while switching his focus all over the place, finally ending up at Wade. I don't think I need to summarize in total all of the reasons other people have looked into as to why Prom looks scummy but for me at least it's all of the vote and focus switching along with the initial RNG attempted 'discussion.'
I am not sure if this answers my question to be frank.
I wasnt looking for a case on prome; I wanted to know why you thought he had to clear his name.
The quotes from toad/VE arent directly referencing prome as scum; they are simply probing into his intentions.
What you have presented (to me) does not indicate sullying of prome; nor him requiring to clear his name.
If you think you did answer the question, let me know where I am misinterpreting.
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