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On February 27 2013 16:06 geript wrote: @Mocsta&Dr.H I need to get sleep before class in the am. I'll be back to answer these around noonish hopefully. @WF I'll answer you then too when I'm a bit more clear headed. I asked you a yes or no question, but alright. On February 27 2013 18:30 Vivax wrote: This post made my scumdar go off, this guy asked two questions about OO earlier but stopped pushing him despite posting the posts at the bottom earlier. He's currently agreeing with VE on Toad, but he never pressures Oo despite having a scumread on him, he just keeps asking others about their opinion on him. I asked questions of WoS and then stopped pushing him to discuss something else. I stopped pushing you to discuss something else. ObviousOne has actually been a fairly big part of the last 5-6 pages of discussion, so if anything Aquanim did his job. This reads off as a desperate attempt at deflecting suspicion onto a player that has done literally nothing scummy. Maybe I do have to read your last game as town to see if your play is usually this nonsensical. Otherwise, I'll likely be pushing you tomorrow. | ||
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I care about the election as a means to an end - to the day 1 lynch. I look at the election as nothing more than a lynch vote. I do not care about the ROLE, only the decision. What was your idea again, I don't remember making any comments regarding a plan of yours or anything. You'll have to deal with the fact that my train of thought isn't clear. I will never tell town straight up what I want to do tomorrow, who I'm suspecting in my head, or give any kind of list of reads or anything like that. I hate that style of play, I think it's cancerous and I won't do it. This bothers a lot of townies and they feel like I'm not transparent enough or something. I say they should go read Ver's guide again. If you really are having a hard time understanding my logic/methods, just ask me and I'm fine with explaining them as long as I feel it serves a purpose. By the way - a player asking a lot of questions/avoiding heavy analysis isn't indicative of scum by itself. Certain players like VisceraEyes, just play that way. Bothers me, but it does put some form of pressure so it's not completely wasteful. Particularly I find that newer players like to ask questions and put on pressure while parroting veteran players who write longer cases, or they choose instead to expand on them. What you can (and should) look for are statements/attitudes like this (on a player who does not scumhunt/put heavy pressure on anyone): -Why aren't you scumhunting? -Any post containing an FoS where irrelevant information (town plans, mayors, RNGs, null reads, etc.) are 80% of that post i.e. the accusation is just a postscript in a long post of bullshit -Yeah, I'm gonna scumhunt tomorrow, I just need some time to keep reading filters /im waiting for the flip but Day 2 im gonna kick ass... -Asks questions/accuses only or almost only players that are not being discussed/have very few posts/seems to be diverting attention away from current discussion @Hassybaby - Why do you think Vivax is scum? Have you been reading the thread up until this point? It would be nice to hear from you, because right now almost all your posts are defending yourself when you are in basically no danger of being lynched. I find that a little worrisome. | ||
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Let's say we have Player A and Player B. Player A is the leading candidate for a lynch on Day 2. Many players are accusing him aggressively. Player B defends Player A. He says that Player A has seemed very town-like to him so far in this game and he's not understanding the logic that some people are using to attack A. He would prefer to lynch Player X. Player A is lynched at the end of the day and flips mafia. What do we do now? Do we lynch Player B? Some people would say yes, but their instinct is most definitely wrong. From that information alone, I can not know if Player B was a helpful mafia teammate or a misguided town. In most games where I was scum, at least one townie has defended me in thread. In most games where I am townie, I have defended someone who was scum at some point or another. Like I defended WBG in Storm Mafia in favor of lynching VisceraEyes who was town. These things happens. So the real way we determine if Player B was mafia or not is we look back at his filter and go through the usual checklist of things that are scummy. Did his defense of Player A seem to come from a place of genuine misunderstanding, tunnel vision on another player, or plain old stupidity? Then that doesn't seem very mafia like. Is the rest of his post history scummy? Chainsaw defense? Wishywashy? Inherent guilt? Those are the real metrics we use to measure someones guilt. A flip is just context, it's useless until you plug that information to that filter. So whatever Prom flips doesn't really change guilty because anyone that looks scummy already (or town already) should look the same way whether Prom is town or scum. It definitely pushes back the JJ read for me, only because of the odd nature of his defense, but those kind of things don't happen that often. Even still, mafia will definitely defend townies up for lynch. ObviousOne (who is obviousscum as far as many of you are concerned) has buddied hard to me earlier in this thread. I've defended and buddied town players as scum, it's a survival tactic. Even if Prom flipped green, if I go through JJ's filter and see him showing signs of scum behavior, I will likely conclude he is scum regardless of the flip. It shouldn't matter that much. | ||
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On February 28 2013 02:15 The Milkman wrote: They also make tracking additional deaths during the night from possible vigilantes a little harder. But that's just additional info for personal consideration because as always WIFOM argument is here to stay. I don't get it why try to pin someone down as SK. That's just as meaningless as trying to determine what smurf is who. Also DrH, you'd rather see yourself elected as pardoner or BH? i dont care who is pardoner or mayor as long as promethelax is lynched | ||
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On February 28 2013 02:22 layabout wrote: Blabber:I thought we had a 72 hour day 1 i had read the daypost more than once as friday not thursday sometimes my brain just does that. Also it seems that prom is being lynched whatever happens. So i wasn't as bothered about finding scum. My preference for mayor was Dr.h because there was a chance he might lynch jcarl and i wasn't sure about VE's campaign. I have also been trying to have more of a thread presence while i am here because over time i consolidated more and tended to lurk as both town and mafia. In fruity my last game if i hadn't been correct in pushing yamato i would have made a good lynch because of my lurking. I also was not the one able to push the lynch even though i put the most content up about him. I also tend to wait before commiting to reads because people don't have much time to post meanfully early on and i like to take my time to sort out my thoughts. With regards to Prom, read his filter and tell me why it should be different if he is town, i feel like he has done what he should as town and thus does not deserve to be lynched. Grush is there because i think he filter was a lot better in fruity and there are other players that look more towny than he does. I defended you due to both the scumhunting point and the fact that i think your town, in part because of your reaction to the vivax analysis. I don't think i was clear enough when i talked about the lack of scumhunting initially but there isn't much i can do about it now. Town doesn't martyr themselves and give up when they have a ripe chance to defend themselves. Town also doesn't (r shouldn't rather) put up bullshit fluff, put no effort into it, then later claim it was for the purpose of productive discussion. I hate this kind of defense, that you can just say any useless thing then later say you were just looking to see how people would respond. What kind of response are you looking for? You're being so passive this game and it's really bugging me. I'll be taking a close look at you later. | ||
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On February 28 2013 02:35 layabout wrote: What martyring? I haven't pushed scum because i don't have a player that i think is scum and want to push in thread. +what i have i claimed was in the purpose of productive discussion? I'm talking about Prom. | ||
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On February 28 2013 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote: And so the herd is herded. Something about this really bothers me. Maybe it's because since the Prom lynch has basically been in effect and agreed upon by most everyone in the thread since like hour 3, it makes it very easy for anyone to manipulate what people do based on this. [conspiracy theory] VE is set up on an easy case thanks to easy Prom bus and entire town puts him on the road to election. He slowly gets more and more waffly so that eventually people move off him, knowing that the town will go wherever prom gets lynched and suddenly pardoner becomes an easier role for mafia to attain. [/conspiracytheory] Obviously this isn't entirely likely and probably not a worthy bus if it was set up from the beginning but there are other ways in which the super early decision of a Prom lynch can benefit, including but not limited to the ability to hide all fucking day. Prom had better be mafia at this point, considering how much confidence was put into this without trying to adhere to any of the plans anyone else has come up with. Very town thinking - silly but very town. Consider my fos on you erased. Not that I care who gets pardoner, but no way mafia is thinking about this kind of thing imo | ||
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I'm kind of checked out until the end of the day. The same discussions keep going in circles and now is the worst time to start pressuring people so I'll be reading on my own. You guys will know what I think when it matters. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Kind of stupid? Bad? Fuck this and fuck you both. Yeah, you have some really bad habits and they haven't changed since the last time I've played with you. Do you want to ragequit over that? I don't have to like the way you play, you can still be productive if you try to listen instead of getting angry. Don't be so scattered, if you're going to be mayor it's your responsibility to be an asset to the town and try to promote a good atmosphere, the opposite of what you're doing right now. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote: VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I have a feeling scum don't like the idea of me having 2 votes and medics on me every night. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:39 The Milkman wrote: You mean people would not protect you anyway? It all reminds me of poor Radfield. Dunno, hopefully geript/layabout isn't a medic | ||
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Oh, I see. I'm probably going to ask vigilantes to kill you tonight, but I'm glad to hear that anyway. | ||
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