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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 04 2013 05:55 GMT
#3341
By Day 4/5 if me or BH are alive that's incredibly suspicious. Scum don't have the KP to kill enough townies though. As soon as either of us flipped town on a "why are you still alive" lynch, the town would just go back to killing the likes of grush, glurio, hassy, etc.

If 2 people continue to die every set of cycles this game will take like 6-7 more days to get close to a lylo situation that would be an insane amount of time for 2 scum to hide out
RIP Aaliyah
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 04 2013 05:57 GMT
#3342
Well I don't think we have to worry about Hassy. It's only a matter of time.
Also I'm 95% sure glurio is town.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 04 2013 05:58 GMT
#3343
On March 04 2013 13:49 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 13:40 randombum wrote:
Also, anybody want to discuss somebody not geript? Like jcarl, let's lynch that guy.

What do you think of Chezinu referencing jcarl in the fake logs?

I say fake logs because Chezinu didnt even bother to put time stamps?

The reference to jcarl was due to inserting a specific quote from his filter.


I try not to use the last ditch efforts of somebody who flips scum for reads. The more likely that scum is to be lynched the less weight it's given. This holds true for anybody, but especially for people known to be chaotic like chez who has apparently created a school of chaos.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2013 06:01 GMT
#3344
Moc you still around?
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 04 2013 06:08 GMT
#3345
On March 04 2013 15:01 geript wrote:
Moc you still around?

Depends
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2013 06:14 GMT
#3346
Look I'm going to post what I've been working on WoS on tues. I won't have time to pull it all together before then. I also don't think that there's any way to get my neck off the block. But just do me a favor and take a good look at him. Dude's not town. I know that you don't really trust me right now, but at least take a look at it afterwards.

Ps. This one doesn't count.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 04 2013 06:22 GMT
#3347
On March 04 2013 15:14 geript wrote:
Look I'm going to post what I've been working on WoS on tues. I won't have time to pull it all together before then. I also don't think that there's any way to get my neck off the block. But just do me a favor and take a good look at him. Dude's not town. I know that you don't really trust me right now, but at least take a look at it afterwards.

Ps. This one doesn't count.

yeah ok.. i can look into WoS and will judge the info fairly
JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 04 2013 06:34 GMT
#3348
OK so one of this things happened, tell me if you can find any holes:
1) Mafia purposely held their shot. Seems pretty unlikely given the game state we are in. I'm willing to say that this possibility should be ignored.
2) Mafia forgot to send in their actions. That means aqua is lying and thus scum. Says nothing about vivax alignment. Seems unilkely as aqua would be better served not claiming the RB in the first place.
3) Mafia shot RO. Vivax must be mafia. No sk, possible arsonist. Seems far fetched, but vivax has done this before as mafia in a previous game when he wanted to concede. Since it's possible there is an arsonist, mafia may not be able to concede yet.
4) Mafia shot the sk. Since no one has claimed a shot and I didn't send in my action to the correct host, if mafia shot anyone tonight besides RO they must have hit the sk. SK has to shoot every night. Vivax must be the sk, since if he isn't there would be another kill tonight besides his.

So the only reasonable explanations imo are 3 or 4, which all point to anti-town vivax. We should kill him today.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 04 2013 06:37 GMT
#3349
How is everyone forgetting that mafia could have sent in their actions, but sent them to grey only and not oats? I think this is a possibility.

Also JJ you think geript is not who we should lynch today, and you want to lynch vivax-- all of your case on vivax, in fact everything related to him you've said since the start of the day, has been entirely based on night action speculation, rather than behavioural analysis or meta analysis or associative tells. In fact, you've also intimated that vivax may be the SK. Why, aside from night action speculation, do you think Vivax is scum. Also, why do you think geript is town? If you do not explain your reasoning, nobody will go along with your push-- you must make a case.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 04 2013 06:44 GMT
#3350
If I can prove to logic that someone is scum or sk why should I bother making a case? If I'm a claimed watcher and saw someone making a kill must I do it too?
Anyway just go ahead and lynch geript. I see nothing whatsoever that warrants suspicion on him. When he flips town, maybe you will drop your cocky attitude. I see that RO flipping scum has done nothing to your reading abilities towards my posts.
JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 04 2013 06:45 GMT
#3351
On March 04 2013 15:34 JungleJorge wrote:
2) Mafia forgot to send in their actions. That means aqua is lying and thus scum. Says nothing about vivax alignment. Seems unilkely as aqua would be better served not claiming the RB in the first place.

You reckon that if they did that they wouldn't have sent the RB either.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 04 2013 06:52 GMT
#3352
On March 04 2013 15:45 JungleJorge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 15:34 JungleJorge wrote:
2) Mafia forgot to send in their actions. That means aqua is lying and thus scum. Says nothing about vivax alignment. Seems unilkely as aqua would be better served not claiming the RB in the first place.

You reckon that if they did that they wouldn't have sent the RB either.

Couldn't it have been a town RB?
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JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 04 2013 06:58 GMT
#3353
Sure, but I think at this point he would have claimed. Not like we need a RB to win this game. That would probably mean no scum RB though, so I wonder why they didn't shoot the claimed jailer.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 04 2013 07:00 GMT
#3354
On March 04 2013 15:44 JungleJorge wrote:
If I can prove to logic that someone is scum or sk why should I bother making a case? If I'm a claimed watcher and saw someone making a kill must I do it too?
Anyway just go ahead and lynch geript. I see nothing whatsoever that warrants suspicion on him. When he flips town, maybe you will drop your cocky attitude. I see that RO flipping scum has done nothing to your reading abilities towards my posts.


Um, you do understand I'm asking you to make a case, not like paint the sky purple or something like that. Like, you don't have logic, you have night action speculation, and that's not the same thing. If he's really scum you should be able to write a case easily. The fact that RO flipped scum has nothing to do with whether or not you need to write a case. Why do you even play mafia if you don't try to convince people?
Politics is the Mind-Killer
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2013 07:02 GMT
#3355
On March 04 2013 15:44 JungleJorge wrote:
If I can prove to logic that someone is scum or sk why should I bother making a case? If I'm a claimed watcher and saw someone making a kill must I do it too?
Anyway just go ahead and lynch geript. I see nothing whatsoever that warrants suspicion on him. When he flips town, maybe you will drop your cocky attitude. I see that RO flipping scum has done nothing to your reading abilities towards my posts.

Will you promise to quote Mars Attacks, "This is the president of the United States. I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of 3 branches of the government working for them and that ain't bad."
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 04 2013 07:07 GMT
#3356
On March 04 2013 15:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 15:45 JungleJorge wrote:
On March 04 2013 15:34 JungleJorge wrote:
2) Mafia forgot to send in their actions. That means aqua is lying and thus scum. Says nothing about vivax alignment. Seems unilkely as aqua would be better served not claiming the RB in the first place.

You reckon that if they did that they wouldn't have sent the RB either.

Couldn't it have been a town RB?

There is no town RB.. its JK

I am not the most travelled forum-mafia player.. but the concept of two JKs on town side seems unbalanced...
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2013 07:08 GMT
#3357
Also, bah bah bah on JJ. I remember having an association case on Vivax + WoS earlier so I don't feel bad about it in this case.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 04 2013 08:58 GMT
#3358
Anyone here? I just read randombum's filter and it contains:

- his weird "elect scum for mayor" plan
- scumreads on OO and jcarlsoniv he never followed up
- late sheeps onto Prom and Chezinu wagons
- that's pretty much it

Does anyone have any reason to think this guy's town? because I can't find one
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 04 2013 09:13 GMT
#3359
On March 04 2013 17:58 Aquanim wrote:
Anyone here? I just read randombum's filter and it contains:

- his weird "elect scum for mayor" plan
- scumreads on OO and jcarlsoniv he never followed up
- late sheeps onto Prom and Chezinu wagons
- that's pretty much it

Does anyone have any reason to think this guy's town? because I can't find one

Yeah just looking at a couple filters regarding recent events. I'll look at randombum in a few, my last pass was quite a while back. Here's what I'm looking at now:

JJ voted Grush earlier in the day because "why not". This game is matching Grush town meta IMO so I want to see what JJ saw (he seems to have dropped it in favor of voting Vivax).

@JJ what is it about Grush's filter that makes you think he could be scum? WF asked you earlier and you simply said "his filter." You seem to have forgotten about that request given all your night action speculation. "His filter" is not an acceptable answer.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 04 2013 09:40 GMT
#3360
@Aqua:
On March 01 2013 11:42 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 11:36 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 01 2013 11:29 randombum wrote:
Alright 22, Restraining order,

Overall, another really short one, but the conclusion is different though. I don't like his posting. Mostly lurkerish and minimal analysis (focused on JJ). His tone also really bugs me like:
On February 27 2013 01:09 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 27 2013 00:35 The Milkman wrote:
Why are people of low thread presence trying to defend Promethelax and swing the lynch somewhere else?

This is the dumbest thing I have read all game, and let me tell you, there are plenty dumb things around.

I hate comments like that which really shouldn't be a part of team liquid. His most redeeming post is:
On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax

Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes

Which is basically a scum list with no justification. In other words, it's pretty pointless/bad. And that's his most redeeming. So he's super suspicious to me.
Not quite as strong as jcarl because jcarls filter just as shitty, but as I posted earlier jcarl backtracked his reads with almost no explanation which to me is worse than lurking.

Randombum.. thanks for going through the filters.

you have identified two people you are suspicious of.

What do you intend to do with them?


I already stated I'm going to lynch jcarl unless I get convinced by somebody else. If for some reason nobody wants jcarl and they want RO instead I'd be willing to lynch him too.

On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote:
Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez

RandomBum

On March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote:
Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though.

?Chezinu?

What happened to Jcarlsoniv?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=120#2388


I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on.

On March 04 2013 13:40 randombum wrote:
Also, anybody want to discuss somebody not geript? Like jcarl, let's lynch that guy.

Interestingly enough he wanted to do a vote switch from Chez based on Chez not being shot by a town day-vig. But he is interested in lynching Jcarl and I think that's bonus points for him right now. Still not interested in a randombum lynch. He looks like he's trying to figure stuff out.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
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