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On March 04 2013 18:40 ObviousOne wrote:
@Aqua:



Interestingly enough he wanted to do a vote switch from Chez based on Chez not being shot by a town day-vig. But he is interested in lynching Jcarl and I think that's bonus points for him right now. Still not interested in a randombum lynch. He looks like he's trying to figure stuff out.

On March 04 2013 18:46 Aquanim wrote:

Well there's only two scum left and unless randombum and jcarlsoniv are the last two scum I don't see why scum randombum wouldn't attack a suspicious-looking jcarlsoniv. After all, randombum has to do something...

On March 03 2013 02:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If anyone wants proof Geript is scum/3rd party go look at his town filter from the last newbie mafia. It couldn't be more different, I usually hate meta reads but this one is nothing but net

On March 02 2013 15:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Nothing is more telling than "Hey I'm gonna scumhunt hard and read everyones filters" and then never doing that and just pushing distrust on all the vocal town voices

the most significant things geript has done this game:
1. talk mess about VE, confirmed townie and potentially dangerous vet
2. talk mess about BC, confirmed townie and potentially dangerous vet
3. talk mess about me, potentially dangerous vet

his case against me depends on the idea that i heard about 2 night vigs in the scum qt and i just pointed out which post by vivax it was i was talking about and before that "slip" he had a null read on me so if he's still gonna call me scum, he's being illogical

MEANING his logic was formed for the purpose of the accusation not the accusation being formed on the basis of the logic

MEANING he is scum or incredibly bad and stubborn

On March 04 2013 18:57 ObviousOne wrote:

Have you checked Geript's meta as mentioned before?

Did you give it a look? It's night and day. Something is off about Geript this game and he's overplaying the martyr right now. I've done the martyring thing too, I martyred HARD in my second or third newbie game and I finally picked myself up and at least tried to do what any town player should do in his position: try to organize thoughts into cases and push them regardless of how terrible I looked.

On March 04 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote:
I also can't picture scum geript being, well, angry for this long. He reads as being really tilted to me, and IMO scum would be more resigned given how the game's gone so far.

Also, scum's first instinct is to survive and OMGUSing Wade at this point was basically suicide.

On March 04 2013 19:55 Wade Fell wrote:


I understand why you think that-- and in fact, there is a not-entirely-small part of me that agrees with your sentiment here. After all, would scum really keep up such a facade, be so angry, lash out so desperately and helplessly at me in a way that could only hurt himself? It certainly feels like it could be the hissyfit of a hopeless townie, fueled by anger and fear-- and it falls in line with geript's crazed ravings from earlier.

However, that small part of me must be silenced, because it is the part of me that is not rational, but rather, attempts to rationalize. It sees anger and emotion and it feels rather than thinks. It imagines itself cornered and hopeless and lashing out at its attackers desperately and self-destructively. It is seductive. It has a logic all its own, doesn't it?

It is wrong.

Geript is lashing out, yes, and he is doing so in a profoundly unhelpful way-- abandoning his reads for an omgus rather than writing cases on the scumreads he hashed out the previous night. This is probably the perfect act for scum who finds himself utterly cornered, on par with Prom's disappearance or Chezinu's shenannies. Geript has no tools, no day vigilante shot to wave around, and unlike Prom he is the 4th of 5 scum and cannot afford to go quietly into the night. On the other hand, he must plan for the contingency of his defense, whatever it is, failing, and his final teammate attempting to win alone in the darkness. Whatever he does between now and his flip, he cannot give up associative tells, not when there is only one scum left besides himself.

So he feigns anger, but he does it carefully-- no additional information or cases given out, just lashing at the two strongest townies remaining in the game. And geript is no ordinary anger-feigner, he is a skilled technician who works with mental patients-- he can feign anger like no other. This seed of doubt in your heart, it isn't based on geript hunting scum, giving out reads, or being useful or townlike in any fashion, even in mindset. A frustrated townie, even as he dies, tries to push his reads. Even when he OMGUSes, he is still OMGUSing for town. Even when he rages, he rages for the town. Geript is clever, but he must not give anything away with fake scumhunting, not when his teammate has to win the game alone.

Don't let emotions cloud your logical judgement.

On March 04 2013 20:10 Wade Fell wrote:
As a final note, and this must not be ignored: as it became clear his lynch today is unavoidable, geript has stopped trying to lynch his scumreads and is instead doing anything to avoid getting lynched. If we remember, as N2 drew to an end, geript stated (link) his three scumreads were Aqua, WoS, and one of Hassy/RO/DrH with TMM as potential third-party. As D3 dawned and he realized I was truly against him, he decided that I too was scum.

Now, if I were a town geript, I'd be trying to push my scumreads-- lynching any of them would be preferable to lynching myself. In fact, town geript would be okay with lynching me, or Aqua, or WoS, all of whom he states he has scumreads on.

So, when Layabout comes and votes Aquanim, someone who geript has stated quite clearly he has a scumread on, geript does NOT vote for Aquanim. A few hours later, he casts a vote for a different scumread of his, one who does not have any votes, WoS (link). Now, normally I'd think to myself "I guess geript has a stronger scumread on WoS than on Aqua. What a great guy! He's putting his ideal of 'lynch the scummiest scumread' ahead of something like trying to get anyone other than himself lynched". However, geript's votepark on WoS was brief. JJ votes Vivax, and shortly thereafter, despite NOT having vivax as a scumread, (link) and despite EXPLICITLY stating that he reads Vivax as probably town (link) and only possibly third-party, geript votes Vivax, citing associative tell reasons (link).

Remember, geript thinks of Vivax as town, possibly third party. That's geript's read. He has scumreads on a guy he's already voted (WoS) and a guy who already has a vote on him (aquanim, been voted by layabout) but isntead votes for someone based on an "Associative case" that he dismissed 72 hours ago when he said the vivax was third-party or town, a guy who he didn't list on his list of scumreads.

None of this makes a lick of sense from a town perspective. Associative cases between scum and an SK? Voting for someone who isn't a scumread of yours, and unvoting a scumread of yours to do so? Ignoring a case (and a vote) on one of your top scumreads?

None of this lines up at all with how a townie would act given the options available, not a townie who has a third party OR TOWN read on a guy, not a townie who has the scumreads he researched staying up super late, not sleeping for (link) to hash out, as available targets-- one with a vote on him already.

This is a scum player.

Geript is scum.

lynch him.

On March 04 2013 20:12 Wade Fell wrote:
Like, this level of "not remembering who your scumreads are" would be kind of understandable if he were going after someone who had been antagonizing him, like me. But Vivax? Come on, geript. So scummy.

On March 04 2013 20:28 Aquanim wrote:

jeez you had to wait until now to make an actual point.
That's a problem. To be honest I had his original suspicions of me as a point in his favour since my play has been frankly pretty shitty and everyone else who thought I was scum I have as probably town. The vote for Vivax is actually really really awful though. A scum Geript would know that though...

On March 04 2013 20:30 Wade Fell wrote:


Follow this logic, and all scummy play is townie play.

On March 04 2013 18:46 Aquanim wrote:

Well there's only two scum left and unless randombum and jcarlsoniv are the last two scum I don't see why scum randombum wouldn't attack a suspicious-looking jcarlsoniv. After all, randombum has to do something...

On March 04 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote:
I also can't picture scum geript being, well, angry for this long. He reads as being really tilted to me, and IMO scum would be more resigned given how the game's gone so far.

Also, scum's first instinct is to survive and OMGUSing Wade at this point was basically suicide.

On March 04 2013 20:39 MilkSuckler wrote:
Association, Association, Association.

On March 04 2013 20:46 Aquanim wrote:

Assuming randombum is town simply because he's attacking the scummy-looking jcarlsoniv is indeed a pointless association case and that was was in fact the point of my post.

On March 04 2013 20:46 Aquanim wrote:

Assuming randombum is town simply because he's attacking the scummy-looking jcarlsoniv is indeed a pointless association case and that was was in fact the point of my post.

On March 04 2013 20:48 Wade Fell wrote:


If I had an apple for every time someone drew associative tells between unflipped players, and an orange for every time this associative tell was worthless because said players were in fact not flipped, I'd have a fair number of apples and almost as many oranges.

Rather more on topic, I've done a pretty stunning takedown of Geript's N2/D3 play earlier on this page. What are your thoughts, MS?