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On March 01 2013 01:48 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 01:41 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, Acro looks way more town for his double-lynch idea than the people who adopted his double-lynch strat -- iamp and Thrawn. Mafia must have started the day thinking they could protect Keirathi, and the least committing switch they could make would be to go to a double-lynch.
And honestly, what looks more scummy -- making a case that somebody is a 3P and therefore we should double-lynch on Day 1, or actually believing and agreeing with it with very little justification? so are either of them scum? iamp and thrawn went from wanting keir dead (at a time when most people wanted adam dead) to wanting both keir + adam dead. acro went from wanting adam dead (at the time most wanted adam dead) to wanting both kier + adam dead (at the time when most people wanted keir dead) and you are saying that acro is most likely town out of that group?
I'm saying that when you only look at the evidence of a double-lynch being a bad idea, Acro really, really pushed it, while you and iamp just agreed, and in that piece of evidence, you guys look scummier.
Honestly, based just off of votes, scum likelihood from my perspective is like this (in descending order):
Dienosore
Sylencia
Corazon
Oats
Yamato
thrawn
iamp
Acro
This puts priority on attempts to preserve known scum, then bus timing. But this is just votes, of course -- but then again, I consider voting the most important activity of any player.
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On March 01 2013 01:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 01:48 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 01 2013 01:41 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, Acro looks way more town for his double-lynch idea than the people who adopted his double-lynch strat -- iamp and Thrawn. Mafia must have started the day thinking they could protect Keirathi, and the least committing switch they could make would be to go to a double-lynch.
And honestly, what looks more scummy -- making a case that somebody is a 3P and therefore we should double-lynch on Day 1, or actually believing and agreeing with it with very little justification? so are either of them scum? iamp and thrawn went from wanting keir dead (at a time when most people wanted adam dead) to wanting both keir + adam dead. acro went from wanting adam dead (at the time most wanted adam dead) to wanting both kier + adam dead (at the time when most people wanted keir dead) and you are saying that acro is most likely town out of that group? Show me one moment in this game. A single moment anywhere after D1 started where I did NOT want Keir dead.
On February 26 2013 19:50 Acrofales wrote:Caught up with the last page of posts now. Yamato brings up a good point. Syl brings up another. Keirathi's case was ALL about how Adam was only out to prove his townieness. Whether the case was good or not at the time is moot, I kinda liked Keirathi's later arguments for it. What I gave Adam townie points for are subtracted by Adam giving himself townie points for: it shows he was aware of how his posts are different from his scum meta. While I'm not sure it is as easy as that to change your scum meta, it is definitely possible to keep it up for a day, which is all he has done so far. + Show Spoiler [adam's post] +On February 25 2013 13:28 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 13:06 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 25 2013 12:55 Adam4167 wrote:On February 25 2013 12:47 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 25 2013 12:39 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 12:35 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:33 Dienosore wrote:
@marv: I've already mentioned that I trust you. If you sincerely believe that he isn't scum, then I will reconsider my hard stance. However, I would be a fool to not remain extremely suspicious until something happens that definitively clears up the situation.
@Hapa: He didn't just make a post about me. He called me out for a duel with his first post based on my first post. To me, this screams scum. why would you think someone being super aggressive is scummy should mean the opposite no? Aggression isn't a scum- or a town-tell. Aggression is simply aggression. Case in point: Mocsta NMM 37. Also, VE is pretty aggressive as either alignment. Just to name some examples. That said, Adam tends to lurk wayyyy too much as scum. His activity and early pressure on Dieno are uncharacteristic for his scum play. Too early to really tell, though. I still think Adam is lurking. Compared to most of the other people so far, he has been picking and choosing his times to talk very sparingly. Making one argument against Dieno and kind of attacking me/kind of not attacking me is really a drop in the ocean compared to the activity level the rest of the town has shown. I dropped my interest in you right about the time you said you wanted the two most abrasive and against-the-grain players to duel each other. That said to me that you are just being an emotional townie who wanted to get rid of people who weren't conforming to how you wanted the game played. I doubt scum would be making an argument like that, hence I have no interest in probing you further. Seriously, I was asked the question based off of 3-4 pages of the thread... If you seriously want to go hung-ho and call all of the shots, go ahead. There's no point in arguing with you, and I doubt my crappy internet can beat you to typing ##Duel once the Night period is over. Let's imagine a gung-ho player decides to duel someone that they have a scum read on, but the rest of the town does not agree with their reasoning. How do you choose between someone playing aggressive and someone you have a town read on? It's either going to result in the gung-ho player getting lynched or making a lynch that you are not happy with. Both are a waste of a Day cycle and are free kills for the scum basically. That's my biggest problem with you and Yamato's approach to the duel system. The fact that Yamato called me scum for it and that you are calling me emotional over it is absolutely ridiculous. I call you emotional because I just cant see the logic behind wanting the two people causing the most discussion to duel each other. Mafia that sit in the spotlight almost always fry, and as a general rule, try to avoid it. The likelyhood of either of us being scum is not good as a result. In your hypothetical, Id kill whoever was displaying the least value to the town, as in nomination mafia. We aren't all going to agree with every lynch, and there will come a time when you may have to choose between two people you have some form of a town read on. If we all unanimously agree on all our reads then either a) our reads are wrong because the scum are agreeing with us, or b) the scum team is so inept that they got clean swept. Reemphasizing the bolded part. This is incredibly disingenious. He seems afraid the point where he is going "against the grain" will be missed and therefore needs to reiterate that fact. Especially dropping his name in next to Yamato with the "either of us". Dueling Keirathi brings this to the next step, given his motivation: I want to prove that I can read scum. Except, he didn't. He OMGUS'd based on a general thread consensus that Keirathi is scum. NOWHERE does he actually give a read on Keir, other than: Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 14:30 Adam4167 wrote:
Now that my internet is recovered:
I fully support this duel between Thrawn and Keirathi. Thrawn is taking ownership of his reads, something I mentioned yesterday, I respect that.
That case against me was god awful, stinks of nothing-scum-case. It does nothing to illustrate why i'm scum, only that I was using logic that shows I think i'm town and everyone else should think it too. This doesn't say Keir is scum, it says Keir made a bad case. One which in hindsight wasn't even that bad. Adam is overly concerned with looking like town. The whole game he has harped on about how Dieno is scum. If his real motivation is to prove his own reads are so good, why is he not dueling Dieno?
I will look at his meta now. What I do know is that Palmar caught him in such a gruesome manner in Hero mafia (it's all on video) that Marv, his scumbuddy, felt forced to bus him early on D1. If that isn't a motivation to try to change up your style, I don't know what is.
Here is a large post about both adam and keir. This was from fairly early in the dueling cycle. You read this post and get the sense that acro is favoring saving keir and lynching adam. He never actually states this though. There is no conclusion about what his actual reads are but you can tell he's suggesting that adam should be lynched.
Here's when acro votes for keir via double lynch:
On February 26 2013 20:59 Acrofales wrote:
I browsed Keirathi's filter in what seems to be his only scumgame ever and I agree that he was active and manipulative there. However, he now has a ton of town games loading on pressure to perform as scum. I wouldn't put too much stock in Keirathi's scum meta. His play is still wildly different from his town meta, which is far more developed.
I still don't see enough in his play to consider him town.
Note that he never actually calls him scum, or points out anything specifically about his play that is scummy... just that he can't consider him town.
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Yeah, thrawn, he had just delurked and been a bit more active. His points on Adam suddenly seemed like they weren't completely ridiculous like I had assumed before. Here's basically my Keirathi timeline:
1. Funky (supremely useless opening post with no follow-up)
2. Scum (dropping in only to pressure someone already being pressured, then buggering off again)
3. Scum (convoluted Adam case)
4. Not looking townie (Adam went nuts)
5. Not looking townie (Keirathi's lunch break)
6. Scum (Keirathi never followed up anything and went MIA)
I even stated it with percentages somewhere. Keirathi didn't look as bad at times 4 or 5, but there was no way he looked like town and I wanted to kill him. At times 4 and 5, I would have preferred an Adam lynch over a Keir, but I still wayyyy preferred a double-lynch.
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Yeah, I forgot about thsoe stupid percentages. That was ridiculous.
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you know who is completly absent while everyone else talks about the game???
syl and dino that who
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Im pretty sure syl went to sleep.
Dieno hasnt been here in more than 24 hours.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
I'm here, I'm here.
Firstly, let me say NICE MOVES ADAM! Fucking man of steel right there. Some Clint Eastwood/Zoro shit. I admit, I totally thought you were a scumball, but with keirs flip, you turn back to gravy in my books.
And why are you guys all jumping down my throat? Because I've been inactive? Is that really the only reason? I've been working, posting when I can. And then it was my day off today, so naturally I went out to the bar last night and got hammered.
Well here I am. I'm gonna start on a new map. I have today and the next off, so I'll pretty much be watching this thread like a hawk until it's time to go back to work. If you guys have any specific questions, shoot em at me.
As for me dueling Syl, I would totally be OK with that. He has looked scummy to me for a while now.
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Who is scum dieno?
Also what do you think of yamato and his full pants on head retarded plan?
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
I'll make a bigger post later tonight explaining my reads.
What is his plan, Oats? Can you summarize?
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He wants to lynch Acro at the crack of dawn.
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On March 01 2013 02:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also what do you think of yamato and his full pants on head retarded plan?
If that's not a leading question I don't know what is.
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Useless posts everywhere.
WHY DID YOU POST THAT ZAREPATH.
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On March 01 2013 02:29 Dienosore wrote:
And why are you guys all jumping down my throat? Because I've been inactive? Is that really the only reason?
All of N0 you seemed obsessed with coming off as a nice guy. And even now, the first thing in your latest post is congratulating Adam for the kill... way after it happened. It smacks of overcompensation, but more importantly, it shows that the first thing on your mind is how pro-town you appear. It just seems as though the few contributions you make are motivated to look pro-town without actually BEING pro-town.
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On March 01 2013 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Useless posts everywhere.
WHY DID YOU POST THAT ZAREPATH.
Because if you actually wanted his legit opinions on it, you wouldn't use a loaded question. You were giving him a chance to look pro-town by agreeing with your summation.
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EBWOP: Whether scum-motivated or not (I dont' have a scum read on you), you shouldn't give suspected scum easy loaded questions like that to answer if you really want to get valuable info out of them, imo. It's a little thing but you asked why I posted it, so there you go.
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On March 01 2013 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
He wants to lynch Acro at the crack of dawn.
Why were you so excited for Adam to do this, but totally against Yamato doing it?
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The crack of dawn.
Adam did it out of nowhere. You cannot deny you felt a rush of like HERE IT GOES?
Well I did.
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On March 01 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
The crack of dawn.
Adam did it out of nowhere. You cannot deny you felt a rush of like HERE IT GOES?
Well I did.
Whaa.... I don't....
What?
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Oats likes to be surprised of stupidity, not forewarned of it.
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Dieno I want you dead. I think you're the scummiest person in the thread by far.
Convince me otherwise.
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