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acro what are you talking about? idk what you're asking
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Hey, I'm here on my lunch break. I have like an hour or so before i have to leave, so if someone wants to ask me something while I'm catching up, feel free.
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Who are you top scum reads? If you had to make a will before dying, what would you say?
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On February 27 2013 03:19 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:16 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 03:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
i might switch to double lynch if some of the adam voters will too Err, it's instant majority, so unless you won't be around to hammer Keir if he approaches the 8 votes needed to lynch, you can safely make that statement by unvoting. Mind explaining how unconcerned you seemed about the duel? You were around at the time, so give us your story. Did the duel come out of the blue? It did for me as I was reading it. You seem pretty calm: On February 26 2013 16:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote: Keirathi
adam mind explaining why you had to call for the duel right now? Mind explaining your thought process at the time? This tunneling on the idea of the double lynch is incredibly scummy. Let it go, there's no way we're double lynching today, stop dissuading people from placing votes... I like the idea of a scumhunt challenge, just wish it was actually happening.
Interesting. Why is it scummy to want to double lynch?
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On February 27 2013 03:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
acro what are you talking about? idk what you're asking
I'm asking you to explain what you thought when Adam decided to duel. What was your opinion of Adam at the time, when he made the duel post?
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On February 27 2013 02:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Hapa, why are you playing so differently this game? Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 10:19 Hapahauli wrote:On January 26 2013 10:12 xsksc wrote:
Oh hai Hapa, we haven't met. Wanna play Prom's game for me?
Tell me about yourself. What are your strengths and what are your weaknesses? I've been playing TL Mafia for... 6 months I think? I coach newbie towns a lot, and I love me some mini-mafia games. Well I'm far from objective about my own strengths and weaknesses. In terms of a self-assessment though, I like to have a high thread-presence and get in the thick of things. Basically I'm town, I'm spammy, and I'll likely build 20 page filter by the time I get shot. In Normal Mini, you played for 24 hours and had a 3 page filter, here you almost played for 48, GUESS WHAT? Also a 3 page filter. Where is the high thread-presence and spammyness you are talking about? Also you seem to be posting a lot more freely in Normal mini than in this game.
Normal Mini IV started on a weekend, and I have MUCH more time on the weekends. I'm in school from 8pm-5pm on weekdays, and as a result I simply can't be as active. I've been just about as active as I could be given my schedule.
Also Oats, you're fishing for my opinions and reads, but I've heard nothing what you think about them. Do you disagree with my thoughts on Kei and Adam? If so, why?
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@Keir: same question as for thrawn. At the time you seemed slightly upset about being dueled by Adam. Did you think it was more likely for Adam or Thrawn to be scum? They seemed to be your only reads at the time.
On February 26 2013 16:46 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:25 Adam4167 wrote:On February 26 2013 15:45 Keirathi wrote:On February 26 2013 15:16 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 26 2013 15:12 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do. keir I feel like this point isn't going to go anywhere... what else makes you think adam is scum? Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it. On February 26 2013 15:20 Adam4167 wrote:
This point isnt going anywhere because there is no point to begin with.
Even if I were stepping forward to 'duel on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise', how does that show only scum motivation? It could just as easily be coming from a townie wanting to fight.
Bad case. You're brushing away my point with trivialities. I don't really give a shit what your actual stance on who should duel is, if you can provide good reasoning and show why its good for town. What does concern me is that I can't see any actual point to your stance. How is it beneficial to town? You see, the problem is, you may never even have to back your stance up in this game. What if every day we have a town collective agreement on who should duel? Or someone goes balls deep and duels on their own? Or someone refuses to duel, and we have a Likely Townie step in the duel the person who refuses? Etc, etc. When it gets to day 6 or something, and you've never had to actually back up your opinion on how you would handle the dueling, you can still say "But look guys, I'm town because I had a unique idea day 1 even though it didn't actually mean anything and I never had to put it into practice!" Do you not see how that could be beneficial for scum? I don't even know what the hell you're arguing anymore. Whatever it is, it isn't making me scum. Mess with the bull, you get the horns. ##Duel: Keirathi Congrats on your e-peen wagging contest. I was trying to explain my original paranoia and figure you out, but you jump the gun instead of giving people time to discuss it. Anyways I'm going to bed for reals now. G'nite.
This post is rather vague. Did you feel he was scummy for dueling you? Or did you feel it was a douche town move?
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@Hapa:
On February 27 2013 02:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 02:42 Hapahauli wrote:Oh damnit sniped by Oats. On February 27 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Thing is, Kei has done nothing to show me that he's town, and having played a couple of games with Adam, I find it really doubtful that he'd pull something like this as scum. Wait what? How many games have you played with Kei? You are calling Keirathi scummy for not playing to his town meta or his scum meta, but Adam is not scum because he isnt playing to his scum meta, or his town meta as Acro showed. How did you get this reasoning? I've played a couple of games with Kei, and heavily obs'd some more games that he was in. And you're completely twisting my argument. Yes Kei is playing differently than I've seen him play as both alignments in the past. However, I'm voting Kei right now because Adam's actions make very little sense from a scum-Adam perspective (given meta, demeanor, bravery, etc), and Kei has given me no reason to think he's town. If you take Adam's meta, demeanor and bravery into account, how can you ignore his town meta? He has never done anything remotely like pulling a stunt like this. Not in CT, not in WLIIA and not in LIX. The other games I recall from him are Hero where he was scum and a couple of games where he was modkilled for inactivity. Please explain how meticulous Adam, who writes cautious cases deliberating different angles, suddenly throws caution to the wind and says "FUCK YOU, I'M PALMAR BITCHES". What part of Adam's town meta am I missing?
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On February 27 2013 02:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 02:42 Hapahauli wrote:Oh damnit sniped by Oats. On February 27 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Thing is, Kei has done nothing to show me that he's town, and having played a couple of games with Adam, I find it really doubtful that he'd pull something like this as scum. Wait what? How many games have you played with Kei? You are calling Keirathi scummy for not playing to his town meta or his scum meta, but Adam is not scum because he isnt playing to his scum meta, or his town meta as Acro showed. How did you get this reasoning? I've played a couple of games with Kei, and heavily obs'd some more games that he was in. And you're completely twisting my argument. Yes Kei is playing differently than I've seen him play as both alignments in the past. However, I'm voting Kei right now because Adam's actions make very little sense from a scum-Adam perspective (given meta, demeanor, bravery, etc), and Kei has given me no reason to think he's town. If you take Adam's meta, demeanor and bravery into account, how can you ignore his town meta? He has never done anything remotely like pulling a stunt like this. Not in CT, not in WLIIA and not in LIX. The other games I recall from him are Hero where he was scum and a couple of games where he was modkilled for inactivity. Please explain how meticulous Adam, who writes cautious cases deliberating different angles, suddenly throws caution to the wind and says "FUCK YOU, I'M PALMAR BITCHES". What part of Adam's town meta am I missing?
But that's the thing - have you ever seen ANYTHING like this from scum Adam? No. It's at odds with his town mentality yes. However, it's even MORE at odds with his scum mentality.
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@Hapa: never mind, I missed your answer.
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EBWOP. Lol, no I didn't, you only answered it just now 
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On February 27 2013 03:43 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 02:51 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 02:42 Hapahauli wrote:Oh damnit sniped by Oats. On February 27 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Thing is, Kei has done nothing to show me that he's town, and having played a couple of games with Adam, I find it really doubtful that he'd pull something like this as scum. Wait what? How many games have you played with Kei? You are calling Keirathi scummy for not playing to his town meta or his scum meta, but Adam is not scum because he isnt playing to his scum meta, or his town meta as Acro showed. How did you get this reasoning? I've played a couple of games with Kei, and heavily obs'd some more games that he was in. And you're completely twisting my argument. Yes Kei is playing differently than I've seen him play as both alignments in the past. However, I'm voting Kei right now because Adam's actions make very little sense from a scum-Adam perspective (given meta, demeanor, bravery, etc), and Kei has given me no reason to think he's town. If you take Adam's meta, demeanor and bravery into account, how can you ignore his town meta? He has never done anything remotely like pulling a stunt like this. Not in CT, not in WLIIA and not in LIX. The other games I recall from him are Hero where he was scum and a couple of games where he was modkilled for inactivity. Please explain how meticulous Adam, who writes cautious cases deliberating different angles, suddenly throws caution to the wind and says "FUCK YOU, I'M PALMAR BITCHES". What part of Adam's town meta am I missing? But that's the thing - have you ever seen ANYTHING like this from scum Adam? No. It's at odds with his town mentality yes. However, it's even MORE at odds with his scum mentality.
Why is Keir being a lurker, something Keir clearly knows is a stupid scumtell, still a scumtell?
It is clearly at odds with both of his metas and you seem to think scum is more careful to not stand out like a sore thumb.
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Anyway, I need to stop defending Adam and let him speak for himself. That being said, this situation screams like a stupid emotional decision rather than a sinister mafia plan.
Interested to see Kei's reads. Have only seen his views on Thrawn and Adam so far.
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I thought it was stupid, but I think he is way more likely to be town than keir. What I think is scummy about adam has nothing to do with the duel, it's how his read on dino went away and the way he's been acting since he called the duel. But townies can change their minds and do crazy stuff like that and tbh I was sorta expecting someone to call out an early duel. So no, not that surprising. I can see the arguments for adam being scum. But I do not see the arguments for keir to be town.
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On February 27 2013 03:31 zarepath wrote:
Who are you top scum reads? If you had to make a will before dying, what would you say?
My reads haven't changed. I still think thrawn is likely scum because of his jumping around following thread sentiments, and I still see possible scum motivation in the Adam thing that I was trying to talk about.
I'll write up some more later this evening when I get home, but I don't think an hour is enough time right now.
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On February 27 2013 03:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:43 Hapahauli wrote:On February 27 2013 02:51 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 02:42 Hapahauli wrote:Oh damnit sniped by Oats. On February 27 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Thing is, Kei has done nothing to show me that he's town, and having played a couple of games with Adam, I find it really doubtful that he'd pull something like this as scum. Wait what? How many games have you played with Kei? You are calling Keirathi scummy for not playing to his town meta or his scum meta, but Adam is not scum because he isnt playing to his scum meta, or his town meta as Acro showed. How did you get this reasoning? I've played a couple of games with Kei, and heavily obs'd some more games that he was in. And you're completely twisting my argument. Yes Kei is playing differently than I've seen him play as both alignments in the past. However, I'm voting Kei right now because Adam's actions make very little sense from a scum-Adam perspective (given meta, demeanor, bravery, etc), and Kei has given me no reason to think he's town. If you take Adam's meta, demeanor and bravery into account, how can you ignore his town meta? He has never done anything remotely like pulling a stunt like this. Not in CT, not in WLIIA and not in LIX. The other games I recall from him are Hero where he was scum and a couple of games where he was modkilled for inactivity. Please explain how meticulous Adam, who writes cautious cases deliberating different angles, suddenly throws caution to the wind and says "FUCK YOU, I'M PALMAR BITCHES". What part of Adam's town meta am I missing? But that's the thing - have you ever seen ANYTHING like this from scum Adam? No. It's at odds with his town mentality yes. However, it's even MORE at odds with his scum mentality. Why is Keir being a lurker, something Keir clearly knows is a stupid scumtell, still a scumtell? It is clearly at odds with both of his metas and you seem to think scum is more careful to not stand out like a sore thumb.
Thing is, I don't think Kei is intentionally lurking or anything. A lot of his posts have suggested he's busy with work/whatever. His lurking doesn't seem intentional, thus the situation is very different from Adam's intentional DERP duel.
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On February 27 2013 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:47 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 03:43 Hapahauli wrote:On February 27 2013 02:51 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 02:42 Hapahauli wrote:Oh damnit sniped by Oats. On February 27 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Thing is, Kei has done nothing to show me that he's town, and having played a couple of games with Adam, I find it really doubtful that he'd pull something like this as scum. Wait what? How many games have you played with Kei? You are calling Keirathi scummy for not playing to his town meta or his scum meta, but Adam is not scum because he isnt playing to his scum meta, or his town meta as Acro showed. How did you get this reasoning? I've played a couple of games with Kei, and heavily obs'd some more games that he was in. And you're completely twisting my argument. Yes Kei is playing differently than I've seen him play as both alignments in the past. However, I'm voting Kei right now because Adam's actions make very little sense from a scum-Adam perspective (given meta, demeanor, bravery, etc), and Kei has given me no reason to think he's town. If you take Adam's meta, demeanor and bravery into account, how can you ignore his town meta? He has never done anything remotely like pulling a stunt like this. Not in CT, not in WLIIA and not in LIX. The other games I recall from him are Hero where he was scum and a couple of games where he was modkilled for inactivity. Please explain how meticulous Adam, who writes cautious cases deliberating different angles, suddenly throws caution to the wind and says "FUCK YOU, I'M PALMAR BITCHES". What part of Adam's town meta am I missing? But that's the thing - have you ever seen ANYTHING like this from scum Adam? No. It's at odds with his town mentality yes. However, it's even MORE at odds with his scum mentality. Why is Keir being a lurker, something Keir clearly knows is a stupid scumtell, still a scumtell? It is clearly at odds with both of his metas and you seem to think scum is more careful to not stand out like a sore thumb. Thing is, I don't think Kei is intentionally lurking or anything. A lot of his posts have suggested he's busy with work/whatever. His lurking doesn't seem intentional, thus the situation is very different from Adam's intentional DERP duel.
So if Keir isn't intentionally lurking what do you find suspicious about his behaviour?
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On February 27 2013 03:41 Acrofales wrote:@Keir: same question as for thrawn. At the time you seemed slightly upset about being dueled by Adam. Did you think it was more likely for Adam or Thrawn to be scum? They seemed to be your only reads at the time. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 16:46 Keirathi wrote:On February 26 2013 16:25 Adam4167 wrote:On February 26 2013 15:45 Keirathi wrote:On February 26 2013 15:16 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 26 2013 15:12 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do. keir I feel like this point isn't going to go anywhere... what else makes you think adam is scum? Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it. On February 26 2013 15:20 Adam4167 wrote:
This point isnt going anywhere because there is no point to begin with.
Even if I were stepping forward to 'duel on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise', how does that show only scum motivation? It could just as easily be coming from a townie wanting to fight.
Bad case. You're brushing away my point with trivialities. I don't really give a shit what your actual stance on who should duel is, if you can provide good reasoning and show why its good for town. What does concern me is that I can't see any actual point to your stance. How is it beneficial to town? You see, the problem is, you may never even have to back your stance up in this game. What if every day we have a town collective agreement on who should duel? Or someone goes balls deep and duels on their own? Or someone refuses to duel, and we have a Likely Townie step in the duel the person who refuses? Etc, etc. When it gets to day 6 or something, and you've never had to actually back up your opinion on how you would handle the dueling, you can still say "But look guys, I'm town because I had a unique idea day 1 even though it didn't actually mean anything and I never had to put it into practice!" Do you not see how that could be beneficial for scum? I don't even know what the hell you're arguing anymore. Whatever it is, it isn't making me scum. Mess with the bull, you get the horns. ##Duel: Keirathi Congrats on your e-peen wagging contest. I was trying to explain my original paranoia and figure you out, but you jump the gun instead of giving people time to discuss it. Anyways I'm going to bed for reals now. G'nite. This post is rather vague. Did you feel he was scummy for dueling you? Or did you feel it was a douche town move?
I thought it was just a stupid move. Arbitrarily, I think it was scummy because he cut off all discussion about other candidates, and felt like just straight OMGUS because I was trying to get some discussion out of something I viewed as scum motivated.
Then he had the gall to say that he dueled because I was trying to back out of a half-assed scum read?
For one, where was I actually trying to back out of it? I was trying to get someone to spit-ball with me and talk it through.
And for two, what happened to his scum read of Corazon earlier on night 0? Oh right, he backed out of it because of further discussion. Hell he even went so far as to say that he wasn't a "tunnel machine" and that he pulls out of tunnels all th e time. But if I try to get some discussion about something that I view as scummy to see if I'm just being paranoid, he gets all holy roller and pulls the trigger on the duel.
The situation reminds me a lot of GSL 3 (i think?). I saw something that I genuinely viewed as scummy and brought it to the thread. I took a lot of flak for it, but the difference is people were willing to discuss it with me while they were calling me scum. And as I talked it out more, and got some other perspective views, I changed my read.
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On February 27 2013 03:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:On February 27 2013 03:47 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 03:43 Hapahauli wrote:On February 27 2013 02:51 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 02:42 Hapahauli wrote:Oh damnit sniped by Oats. On February 27 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 27 2013 02:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Thing is, Kei has done nothing to show me that he's town, and having played a couple of games with Adam, I find it really doubtful that he'd pull something like this as scum. Wait what? How many games have you played with Kei? You are calling Keirathi scummy for not playing to his town meta or his scum meta, but Adam is not scum because he isnt playing to his scum meta, or his town meta as Acro showed. How did you get this reasoning? I've played a couple of games with Kei, and heavily obs'd some more games that he was in. And you're completely twisting my argument. Yes Kei is playing differently than I've seen him play as both alignments in the past. However, I'm voting Kei right now because Adam's actions make very little sense from a scum-Adam perspective (given meta, demeanor, bravery, etc), and Kei has given me no reason to think he's town. If you take Adam's meta, demeanor and bravery into account, how can you ignore his town meta? He has never done anything remotely like pulling a stunt like this. Not in CT, not in WLIIA and not in LIX. The other games I recall from him are Hero where he was scum and a couple of games where he was modkilled for inactivity. Please explain how meticulous Adam, who writes cautious cases deliberating different angles, suddenly throws caution to the wind and says "FUCK YOU, I'M PALMAR BITCHES". What part of Adam's town meta am I missing? But that's the thing - have you ever seen ANYTHING like this from scum Adam? No. It's at odds with his town mentality yes. However, it's even MORE at odds with his scum mentality. Why is Keir being a lurker, something Keir clearly knows is a stupid scumtell, still a scumtell? It is clearly at odds with both of his metas and you seem to think scum is more careful to not stand out like a sore thumb. Thing is, I don't think Kei is intentionally lurking or anything. A lot of his posts have suggested he's busy with work/whatever. His lurking doesn't seem intentional, thus the situation is very different from Adam's intentional DERP duel. So if Keir isn't intentionally lurking what do you find suspicious about his behaviour?
Firstly, a major reason I'm voting Kei is because I'm pretty sure Adam is town.
As for Kei himself, he hasn't given me any reason to think he's town at all. That and I didn't like his early interactions with Adam. His initial case made no sense to me, and Kei's constantly qualifying that he's not committing to his suspicions:
Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it.
I'd appreciate it if someone could look at my points about Adam and give some comments other than "lol bad". Tell me why. Maybe I'm just paranoid. I mean, at least he did take some kind of stance, and he's right, it was against the grain and I would normally give a few townie points for that. I'm just failing to see how, in this particular instance, his stance is beneficial to town, because I can't really predict any scenario in which he'll have to back it up.
AFAIK, i never said "Okay guys, Adam 100% scum lets lynch him". I saw something, and mentioned it to the thread to get some feedback.
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And since you're around Kei, respond to the above when you can.
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