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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On February 27 2013 03:36 Acrofales wrote: Interesting. Why is it scummy to want to double lynch? Got off on a rant the first time I answered this question and accidentally closed the tab. Do you really need to explain to you why lynching twice on the first day is less effective than lynching once? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9644 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:05 Alderan wrote: Got off on a rant the first time I answered this question and accidentally closed the tab. Do you really need to explain to you why lynching twice on the first day is less effective than lynching once? yes | ||
yamato77
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Acrofales
Spain18072 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:01 Hapahauli wrote: Firstly, a major reason I'm voting Kei is because I'm pretty sure Adam is town. As for Kei himself, he hasn't given me any reason to think he's town at all. That and I didn't like his early interactions with Adam. His initial case made no sense to me, and Kei's constantly qualifying that he's not committing to his suspicions: Maybe my original post wasn't full fleshed out, but it made sense as I talked it out more, no? How does that make me scum? My point didn't change, I just explained it better. And so what, I was being non-committal towards the read. I demonstrably do that as town on day 1. What makes me scum this time, but not the others? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:10 Acrofales wrote: Let me get this straight, Hapa: you think it's entirely possible Keir is town, but think killing him is the lesser of two evils? If you were a pardoner, would you consider stopping this lynch? Yes and yes. None of my top scumreads are on the block right now. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote: The first lynch is the least informed lynch, and you want to make two of them. This. Oh and night actions could be valuable tonight. Oh and having a vote count gives more information. Oh and lynching both doesn't force either of them to make good arguments that could be helpful. Terrible play. Worse than Adam's duel imo. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I'm going afk for a while. Hopefully by this time tomorrow there will be a clearer choice between the two, but right now my vote stays where placed, because Adam has yet to further justify his read on Keirathi as I requested. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:11 Keirathi wrote: Maybe my original post wasn't full fleshed out, but it made sense as I talked it out more, no? How does that make me scum? My point didn't change, I just explained it better. And so what, I was being non-committal towards the read. I demonstrably do that as town on day 1. What makes me scum this time, but not the others? Thing is Kei, you've done barely anything this game. Does the above make you 100% scum? No, but it's a point against you. At this point, I just need to see some activity/scum-hunting from you. If you're town, you have to prove it. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18072 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:16 Alderan wrote: This. Oh and night actions could be valuable tonight. Oh and having a vote count gives more information. Oh and lynching both doesn't force either of them to make good arguments that could be helpful. Terrible play. Worse than Adam's duel imo. Nights are valuable for scum. Expecting to rely on night actions is TERRIBLE play from town. Actually I'd argue threatening to lynch both of them makes for a FAR more effective hammer to force them both to start showing they're town. If you say you're lynching Keirathi, you let Adam off the hook, and vice versa. I'm happy to say I'm lynching both of them unless they give me a reason to think they're town. As for information from votecounts, voting for a double lynch gives you that same info. It's simply an extra option on the page. It's why I made my vote explicit, to set it apart from those who simply have no opinion. It IS the least informed lynch, I agree on that with you, which is why we want to gather as much information as possible about it, but as long as both Adam and Keir look terrible, why not kill both of them? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
Plus, look at town sentiment at the time the duel was called. At the time of his action it felt like people wanted to see Keir hang. Then, you have Keir essentially egging Adam on, by saying things like Adam would never have to prove that he was serious about dueling people. None of this changes the fact that until Keir was called out for his terrible night 0 play, he was one of the scummiest. He had claimed he was going to catch up with the thread and all he came back with was essentially an echo of marv. I'm sticking with my own read on this one. Adam looked like he was someone who could be egged on from his first statement and I think Keir took advantage of that. That being said, I'm not laying my vote down right now. We need all the discussion time we can get so let's not be too quick to hit that majority. Hold it against me though, if I come back and vote Adam without any reasoning. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:41 thrawn2112 wrote: snarfs how do you feel about double lynching? I don't want to kill Adam right now so I'm opposed. In general though, I could see the benefits of knowing two people's alignments. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:30 Acrofales wrote: It IS the least informed lynch, I agree on that with you, which is why we want to gather as much information as possible about it, but as long as both Adam and Keir look terrible, why not kill both of them? Because they DON'T both look terrible. They both look suspicious, but the problem with this whole duel is the fact that nobody wanted Adam in it except for Adam, and only two people wanted Keirathi in it. This is not a town-sanctioned duel, and so the scummiest people aren't in it. If we're ever going to double-lynch, let's have it be when town has actually put its two scummiest reads up for lynch, not when bad town goes after lurker town (this seems very possible). When people are saying that Adam looks scummier than Keirathi, it's still all relative -- I'm not convinced he's scum, let alone that they're BOTH scum. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:55 zarepath wrote: Because they DON'T both look terrible. They both look suspicious, but the problem with this whole duel is the fact that nobody wanted Adam in it except for Adam, and only two people wanted Keirathi in it. This is not a town-sanctioned duel, and so the scummiest people aren't in it. If we're ever going to double-lynch, let's have it be when town has actually put its two scummiest reads up for lynch, not when bad town goes after lurker town (this seems very possible). When people are saying that Adam looks scummier than Keirathi, it's still all relative -- I'm not convinced he's scum, let alone that they're BOTH scum. This is excellent analysis of the situation. Just wanted to point that out. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18072 Posts
On February 27 2013 04:05 Alderan wrote: Got off on a rant the first time I answered this question and accidentally closed the tab. Do you really need to explain to you why lynching twice on the first day is less effective than lynching once? No. You need to explain why it's scummy to want it. | ||
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