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On February 12 2013 21:54 marvellosity wrote: Maaaaaaaaaaaan, that role doesn't even take any imagination. Pretty standard, imo. my imagination isn't made for this and now you're putting me under all this pressure. Stop it t.t | ||
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Glad to see that we don't actually have an all caps post restriction. Fine with instant majority. Actually find it strange that secret ballot was an option, compared to some of the lesser poisons that might have created discussion. I have my own reasons for having a minor read on BH, but for those who haven't played with him as scum he's certainly capable of being active early and taking a spotlight. Buncha spammy posts and 9 or so vote changes, way more than anyone else, on D1 of bureaucracy as scum. Also, hello role creator, if you are who I think you are. | ||
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On February 13 2013 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, I think scum BH is better at the game. At least he appears to be better than town BH. What are you basing these BH reads on? | ||
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On February 14 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: I don't know why you're so concerned with this, but you don't need to be. It's early and there's not a massive wagon on you.Im pretty innocent. Anyone with a scumread on me other than Dandel PLEASE SPEAK UP. Nah you shouldnt think that I am scum because you dont have evidence to back it up. The number of people with town/scum reads on you does not determine your alignment. You don't magically become town because there are townreads on you. Dandel Ion doesn't seem to be winking you out of existence because of his scum read. So for now, reads on you aren't that important and shouldn't be eating up thread space like this. On February 14 2013 00:16 iamperfection wrote: marv was krumi one of the guys you talked to pregame about trolling all day? I find his posts devoid of any actual content. Says stuff is weird but doesn't bother to say if they are alignment indicative at all. im thinking scum on him This is how kurumi posts some games. There is some content in the posts, you just have to read them. Frankly, I think we made out well in terms of this game being non-confusing. Marv may or may not have a posting restriction, but nobody has to speak in limericks or rhymes or song lyrics. | ||
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Right now all you've done is least squares regress(ion) to being rude, and that's no way to integrate yourself into this thread. Frankly, you've differentiated yourself, and are a couple standard deviations of hostility above the mean. You should try being more (a)cute, and then others would provide you with the reciprocal courtesy. | ||
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On February 14 2013 00:32 Oatsmaster wrote: So austin made a really weird post defending me/dandel. Any thoughts? You misinterpreted. My post says "stop talking about this because you're not driving it in a useful direction." | ||
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On February 14 2013 00:39 marvellosity wrote: Were you referring to this nugget, young Oats? If so, I do not believe you are interpreting this gentleman's thoughts in the correct manner. However, Gentleman austin gave the air of wariness regarding young Oats, and yet has rescinded from this position, or so it would seem. I am curious whether the gentleman was satisfied with what he heard from young Oats. I think BH made good points, but they rely on the person he's analyzing to be thinking in a certain way. Don't know whether Oats was doing so, or not, so I discount BH's analysis somewhat because of that. Oat's response to BH's pressure was odd, and the answer that Oats gave for what he was using to tell the difference between scum BH and town BH was not satisfactory, but nothing to be done about that. I wouldn't elect him mayor, but I wouldn't ask a Phoenix to breathe fire on Oats right now, nor would I push him and cause him to Falldown some stairs. | ||
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On February 14 2013 00:47 Oatsmaster wrote: You seemed like you wanted to take a vote of who had what read on you. The way I interpreted it, you were then going to post to dandel "This many people think I'm town, you're the only one with a scumread, it can't be right. Neener neener."With the general reluctance of people giving out town reads, and me copping flak for it earlier, The way he phrased it was that he was too sure that we were town. He subtly said it instead of outright saying 'I think dandel and oats are town' because he knew that he couldnt really back out of that in order to 180, and he looks like he is contributing to break up the 'fight' That would have been a dumb post and I wanted to cut it off, because your alignment is not dependant on the reads that people have on you. How someone reads you may inform THEIR alignment, but it doesn't have anything to do with yours. | ||
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On February 14 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Every time marv and I disagree on someone. I may not be "right" in the sense that they flip scum, but I'm "right" in the sense that I have some sort of moral obligation to defend my read to the death and also be entirely sure he's wrong.Austin, when have you been the only one to say that someone is scum against all opposition and be right? For me, it just DOES NOT HAPPEN. Every time that happens, I am wrong and that guy is town. Yeah Dandel, my head is in the clouds, I cant be seen talking to peasants like you. Oh the embarrassment I must go through in order to play this game. You are making too much of this again. It's D1. We were a couple hours in. "all opposition" is overkill, given that a bunch of people hadn't posted at all, and only a couple players were defending you. "the only one to say that someone is scum" is entirely wrong, because at the very least BH and DI were attacking you. | ||
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On February 14 2013 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote: BH backed off IIRC. And you failed to address my main point which was you calling both me and dandel town. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF? That you are wrong. That I have already said you were wrong. That marv said you misread my post and were wrong. | ||
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Good to see you playing and not hosting this one. | ||
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On February 14 2013 03:49 Kurumi wrote: Do you mean He Who is Pulled by Horses?A spammer turned lurker... The world could not bear such clash of impossibility.. The shadows echo through my head... echo through my head. My head. Danger! Danger it is! | ||
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Why do you want to lynch Gonzaw? | ||
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On February 14 2013 06:10 Dandel Ion wrote: Would you still sheep BH if he voted Gonzaw because a magical abacus appeared to him in a dream and told him to vote Gonzaw?Cuz he lurks and doesn't say anything useful and/or looking like he's trying to figure the game out. Both were not things one could attribute him with the game I just played with him, where he was town, so I figure he may well be scum. | ||
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On February 14 2013 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: just to be clear: gonzaw is being profoundly useless acting like scum weird posts doesn't make sense blah blah you get the point You keep inducing people to make weird comments. Oats before, now DI saying he'd sheep your vote without providing ANY explanation himself or waiting to see what your explanation was. I thought perhaps he had a voting restriction and couldn't be the first voter on someone, but he started off voting Crossfire99, so he seems able to drop the first vote. | ||
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On February 14 2013 06:38 Dandel Ion wrote: This is true. I did (fibo)nac(ci) remember that when looking at your sheep comment.zzz, I called gonzo out for the exact same stuff 6 hours ago already. | ||
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Have I been mistaken about my point of origin? | ||
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On February 14 2013 06:47 Crossfire99 wrote: Seriously, what's your deal man? Is this some sort of post restriction or something? It should be plane to the reader that my word choice has been coordinate(d) with some kind of goal. | ||
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On February 14 2013 07:33 Keirathi wrote: No can do. The set of actions available to me does not include that as a member.And what goal is that? Johnny up and say what you mean. It's nothing spectacular, and this bit isn't useful to any alignment. You could consider my odd posts a constant in the equation that equals a town win, where c=0. | ||
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On February 14 2013 08:39 gonzaw wrote: Atm my strongest reads are positive. There are a couple people I want to check back over, because I only have a vague idea of what they've done this game, but nobody is leaping out to me as scummy. Yo austin, do you have any reads? | ||
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On February 14 2013 11:51 randombum wrote: Also what's omgus? By context I can tell its calling out the person who called you out. But what does the acronym stand for. Oh my God, you/you're suck/scum, I believe | ||
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I do remember Hassy being more active there, which isn't hard, but mainly remember him making some comments concerning current thread events that were in line with what I was thinking. Especially D1, there was a lot of spam about how we should vote to swap/lynch that game, and he made a few posts that just felt thought out concerning what he preferred. Here, there's an absence of that entirely. You can summarize his posts in 2 bullet points basically, and one of those is just that he seems to have something concerning his role that he wants to discuss at an unknown time in the future. | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh really keirathi? Guess I must of thought that with his huge picture and generally mod confirmed town after day 1, that he was more active. Its still a problem. As austin has pointed out. ? When was he modconfirmed town that game? | ||
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At least within his D1, he's actively reading both threads. He discusses the general plan of who to swap where. He asks Foolishness, who was in the other thread, some questions concerning Foolishness's posts. When Darkfire posts his weird claim, Hassy questions Darkfire. When Dieno is being lynched (and after lynch), he's trying to draw conclusions from what was happening. A lot of his activity was on that first day, and it somewhat tailed off afterwards. I would like to see hassy more active, but I don't currently want to vote him as #1. | ||
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Hassy was an active participant in D1, see above. He felt less active during other day. D1 there also required a bit more planning, as we pretty much had to decide how to play that game on D1, whereas D1 here is just "okay instant majority." If I take the setup posts out, there's still meat there. Questioning foolishness, questioning darkfire, generally keeping track of things. It's absent here. Gotta admit though, I haven't played with hassy much, and don't think I've played with scum hassy. That's one reason I don't want to lynch based purely on differences between Parallel and here...that's not really a sample size of his play that I can trust. I'd rather be able to judge his posts and his decisions. If there isn't anything in that bucket to go off of, I'd be down to lynch him tomorrow I guess, but this is just a blind lynch at this point. | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:09 iamperfection wrote: then who do you want to kill the most? I started a post saying gonzaw, but I don't think that's my choice. Pretty sure I'm overvaluing LIX in being willing to lynch him, because there I didn't put enough stock in his activity. Here, he was momentarily Gonzaw after being called out, and then went back to being nothing. That's the same pattern that I didn't value enough in LIX, but the circumstances are also different in that he had a red check there and no red check here. What I would really like is for Sylencia or Cheesecake to show up and be able to chat with them for like 20 minutes. | ||
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When I read over people that are on the periphery of this game, he sticks out to me. I actually agreed with Gonzaw's statement that randombum's posts were "neutral." This bit of his post on Oats/BH - If you read Oats statement from the point of view where its already decided by town to pick instant majority, (which I think this town has.) then his reasoning makes sense is pretty much the most unique thing I've seen out of his posts. Granted, I liked the thought, but the rest is mush.He has scumreads on oats and gonzaw, his only real reads given, but this is at a time where oats has already been called out and gonzaw has as well. To some extent, he admits as much, noting that others have pointed out his Oats issues. At the end of his filter he's on stutters, who everyone has the same thoughts about because there aren't any other thoughts to be had. It just reads like empty space except for the one line about oats's thoughts and one response to some gonzaw pressure. But even the gonzaw defense is like..."i didn't call you scum, just said you weren't contributing" and things like that. It's his biggest post, but yet doesn't say anything, and reinforces the mush because in some cases he's actively defending himself against gonzaw by saying "No, I said something much more bland than the interpretation you're taking." I will go check parallel. | ||
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Then once the early stuff was over he poofed away, and chimed in to talk about how/why he voted sylencia and about stutters lurking. I get a BIG disconnect between his entrance and the rest of his play this day, and it worries me. He's also in the "do not want to lynch right now" area for me, but I would really like it if the insightful and well-thought-out posts weren't all concerning early stuff and setup, and some of them applied to actual reads or pushed discussion forward during the times we've been stalled. We've all sucked at pushing thing forward during the stall | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:46 kitaman27 wrote: Just a thought that had been in the back of my head and was worth vocalizing.Don't worry austin, I'm still the bestest. The toughest part for me is that I have no access to TL during the 9 hours of the day at work, so I'm limited to posting at certain times of the day and last night things were really slow. I have about 20 minutes left on my lunch break so hopefully I'll be able to decide by then. Also, wtb work that blocks access to TL | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:45 Keirathi wrote: His posts there have...stuff. Some full thoughts, some one-liner questions that show he's reading. Right, I agree with your sentiments. But he also did the same things in Parallel. He was very much a non-factor for most of the game, but people just kept calling town because it was Palmar (and marv, too?) he was OMGUS'ing and sticking his neck out against. This defense post, against Foolishness's case on him, looks similar to his defense post against Gonzaw this game, but it feels different. The structure is similar - break the accusation up and respond to pieces. But the responses are different - little one-liner question responses to Gonzaw, more...quippy. Whereas his response to foolishness looks meaty and like he's refuting things a little deeper/more seriously. I would totes <3 marv, iamperfection, dandel ion looking at those posts and seeing if they find them similar, different. Bonus points if they use that to try and read randombum this game. | ||
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On February 15 2013 03:03 Dandel Ion wrote: I like this post. If I had some pi handy, I would give you a piece. Also I didn't read PU, and I don't plan on doing it. Too confusing with the two threads. I'm not sure what merit there is in comparing only 2 posts, and nothing else about his play. Context is important too. From glancing over them, they look relatively similar, but different in parts. To say more on them, I do not really feel qualified. @Kita: If your read is "newbie lurker", but you want to lynch him for that,does that mean you have no scumreads at all? Will iamperfection and marv post equally like-able posts? WHO KNOWS!? | ||
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On February 15 2013 03:23 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys first day of work last night and VDay today. The girlfriend is sick though so I'll be spending most the day doing online coursework to pass the time while she sleeps so I'll try to get some stuff done before the deadline. Can you give us a 20 or 30 minute where you're just here and available? | ||
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By induction (maybe) Town wants to find scum Town wants to look town Town needs to post in order to do those things You making yourself available for a window of time allows you to comment on things, be asked questions, post and contribute Therefore, IF you are town, you should be amenable to a window of posting/QnA. If nothing else, it can focus what you need to look over and at least give you some minor stuff in thread. IF you are scum, I would imagine that you'd prefer to prepare a post or two, drop them, and scuttle away (scum scuttle, it is how they move). + Show Spoiler + Not relevant to this post: QED PYTHAGORAS ARCHIMEDES SOME OTHER STUFF? e=mc squared? | ||
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On February 15 2013 03:32 Stutters695 wrote: Yeah. I have a class at 330 but until I leave for it at three I'm here. Fire away. I'll be back around 5. Phone posting so I don't want to bother editing that but those are in EST. Thanks. Who here have you played the most games with, or is there anyone that you've played with and feel like you have somewhat of a handle on how they act? | ||
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Take iamperfection, if you would. Throw out his vote, just read the substance of his posts. Do you get a read off of him? If not, can you just identify like...his towniest post, his scummiest post, and the post of his that you think is the most important for whatever reason, as well as why you choose those? iirc you can't quote off phone, so just something to identify those. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MtGfCbo.png) They're mostly identical EXCEPT: Duck 1 has a scar on his head, but I won't tell you why. The red spots are acne, because Duck 1 has been shooting up with DuckRoids™. Duck 1 also has a mildly uncomfortable case of athlete's foot, but it's not entirely debilitating. Duck 2 has a teardrop tattoo, signifying that he's in a duck mexican gang and killed another duck at some point. I won't reveal how. The ducks fight each other without outside weapons. Who wins? Why? | ||
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I'm willing to vote iamperfection. Interaction with BH/Oats early iamperfection had similar thoughts to mine that BH was doing something similar to Rock Band. Make a case, watch reactions. Rock Band was a fantastic game for town, started off well BECAUSE of BH's case, and so I would expect iamperfection to be down with starting similarly. But when discussion starts, he gives reasons why he has a town read on oats and then... On February 13 2013 14:22 iamperfection wrote: do you have a point to your question or are you just questioning my logic for shits and giggles. i have a town read on oats deal with it On February 13 2013 14:30 iamperfection wrote: .... so your post had no point oats has had 0 fear of the spotlight in my view that is townie On February 13 2013 14:33 iamperfection wrote: instead of going with discussion, getting posts out of people and responding, he's particularly confrontational. Which is not out of character for him, I've seen him be confrontational and flippant, but he RECOGNIZES that BH is acting similar to Rock Band. He knows that game started out well because of BH's stuff. But instead of taking this opportunity to interact and to get reads on the people who disagree with his reads, he just gets confrontational and shuts up. Note that he gets confrontational and shuts up, not confrontational and argues that others are wrong/scummy.whats wrong with confrontational we aint finding scum if we hold hands and sing songs all day Filler iamperfections filter, in terms of pages, is sizeable for this point in the game. But there's a LOT of one-liners, and a LOT of meaningless questions, and a lot of poking at people who were speaking oddly, without doing anything. There's more in his filter than just these, but a lot of comments on people talking like chezinu or speaking in riddles. Also just a couple generic comments where he mentions marv but adds nothing to the thread - marv scum cuz he's not playing. marv scum guys. marv's post meant this or that. Cases/Lynches/Substantive Stuffz He chimed in about ducks. He was reading thread. He chimed in about crossfire and Grey putting up a filter. He was reading thread. There is not a sense, from his filter, that he has missed large windows of time. In that light, the positions he's taken for/against lynches are very ... terse? He's made no attempt to push anything of important, no attempt to really defend anyone apart from saying oats took spotlight and is therefore town. It's been a relatively dead thread and a lot of us are guilty of this as well, but...iamperfection keeps touching on suspicions and then never DOING anything. On February 13 2013 14:33 iamperfection wrote: Never asks kurumi anything or interacts directly with kurumi beyond asking him to stop speaking in riddles (Possible magical kurumi rule violation!?!?!?!?). Does ask BH for his thoughts on Kurumi, but nothing else. whats wrong with confrontational we aint finding scum if we hold hands and sing songs all day Here's him talking with BH about Gonzaw: On February 14 2013 09:54 iamperfection wrote: Would you care elaborate on the specifics ? Also oats is terrible Lynch he clearly has an interest in who gets lynched Why are you pursuing this so strongly? On February 14 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote: He is saying he still thinks gonz is scum because he only started acting town after being called out. On February 14 2013 10:13 iamperfection wrote: So what should he have done bh? Continue to deep it up and do nothing? His reaction to the pressure should be a null tell at best There's almost nothing there. He doesn't comment on any of the other stuff with Gonzaw, just noting that Gonzaw being townie in response to pressure is null. Fine. What about any other comments made? What about the non-BH's who wanted to lynch Gonzaw? His own full thoughts on Gonzaw? Nope. Not in thread. Note: he even engages Crossfire here, noting what BH was saying about Gonzaw On February 14 2013 10:15 iamperfection wrote: He didn't I already explained it. Are you reading the thread? But again, he's just hitting this one facet of the posts for/against Gonzaw, and nothing else. So where's his vote? Where's his case? Stutters. On February 14 2013 23:12 iamperfection wrote: the wagon of justice feels better about kurumi's contributions(aggressiveness and speaking some sense) the wagon of justice now puts its full weight behind a stutters lynch. lets see if we can make him "catch up ". ## vote stutters On February 15 2013 00:34 iamperfection wrote: so stutters has a meta where he doesn't do anything? pretty useful meta if he were scum. i say we force him to contribute or he should die a most horrible death. Stutters, whether scum or town, is an easy person to drop a vote on today. I may be slightly biased here, because I don't view a vote as REALLY pressuring someone into acting when they're lurking, but: lets see if we can make him "catch up ". i say we force him to contribute or he should die a most horrible death hey group, let's do this thing. hey group, let's do this thing. His vote is on stutters, and maybe that's all the motivation he thinks stutters needs. But he makes NO attempt to actively engage stutters in discussion. To me, this is not a townie looking at a lurker. kita and kurumi have both poked at lurkers, explained why/how, and continued on. [caveat: that doesn't mean they're town, it's just how they've acted]. iamperfection's way of voting/calling out stutters is entirely different. It's not actually an attempt to move things forward at all, imo.##vote: iamperfection He's got filler. He's chimed in on some minor things about oats/DI/gonzaw, but never pushed discussion forward, even when given the opportunity to on the first night concerning Oats. He didn't try to figure out what kurumi was saying. He's not really living up to his pressure on stutters. I would like to lynch him. | ||
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kita is still doing what he's been doing stutters looks better after his response. For now, if I were to graph the lynchability of everyone, iamperfection would be at the top of the graph/have a bunch of pie/whatever other system I used. randombum probably behind him? kita and kurumi I have to watch a little harder going forward. | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:22 Keirathi wrote: Off the top of my head, I can only give the you the best answer I've got - I don't know, actually. @austin: How does that compare to what a town iamp, specifically, would do? The only specific thing I remember about scum iamp is that he's more than willing to vote early. I have not refreshed my mind by reading any past games, although I remember him as scum in GSL Open III. | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:25 austinmcc wrote: Off the top of my head, I can only give the you the best answer I've got - I don't know, actually. The only specific thing I remember about scum iamp is that he's more than willing to vote early. I have not refreshed my mind by reading any past games, although I remember him as scum in GSL Open III. Followup. From skimming GSL , he's asking more little questions here, but again, not doing anything with them. In GSL III he made small but more than one-line posts. He had some little quips. He's down to use profanity. He didn't really do much in the way of accusing anyone, from a quick read, other than vader7, who was our lurker D1 there. However, Keirathi, I'd direct you to GSL Open 2. I played in that one with scum iamperfection, and the complaints I have in this game are the EXACT things that caught my eye there - + Show Spoiler + iamperfection - Look at his filter. It's chock full of one liners, of single questions that he never follows up on. Needs to be compared against past play, but there are SO MANY one liners and dangling questions. There are very few full, original thoughts. His thrawn vote was...I guess people vote sometimes of single things they find scummy, but it felt like something that a townie would do in a rush, then later change his vote or explain his vote further. I overreacted, found that thing you did scummy, but this other guy is entirely scummy OR I overreacted and voted you for x, but then I went through your filter and, you know what, I like my vote because of x, y, z. He just NEVER gives much out in the way of thoughts, never follows up the questions he asks, I really don't love this filter. If you check his D1 stuff there, town was dawdling around and so there was no need to get involved. He just drops one liners, questions that he doesn't follow up on. | ||
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Given a sample of his posts, looking at just those games and not others because I don't really feel the need to go super duper far on this, we're looking at a pretty high confidence interval for pegging him as scum, imo. I AM MANGLING SOME OF THESE THINGS SO BAD. I HOPE IT HURTS, ROLE CREATOR. I HOPE IT HURTS. | ||
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marv are you drinking bourbon with me or ... who is that to? On February 15 2013 06:35 iamperfection wrote: I don't no what your smoking Austin I have been around I post one liners deal with it Yes. I said you've been around. That's part of why I think you're scummy. You have chimed in on a bunch of little things like ducks and crossfire's filter list - showing that you are around. Yet you don't follow up your questions, don't tease out more information from your reads, and don't fully comment on cases 'n' such. The fact that you HAVE been around means you've had the opportunity to do that, whereas if I said the same things about kita's play today, he could say "well I've been at work and didn't post at all, so I haven't had time to respond to everything." It's a point against you, imo, but I agree you've been around. | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:40 Keirathi wrote: Not sure if you're talking to me. I wasn't in GSL 3, but I was happy to hop on the iamp lynch in GSL 2 because he couldn't keep his townie persona up while marv was getting lynched, The only time I've ever been wrong about iamp's alignment once I made a final decision was Aperture 2, and I was basing that off of 3 posts just because he was on the lynching block. You were in GSL 3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602 GSL 2 was the super shitty one, and you weren't in it, at least D1. If you look at you and iamperfection in GSL 3, he was actively asking you to tell everyone his alignment, because you could read him so well. | ||
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From 3 + Show Spoiler + On October 22 2012 08:13 Keirathi wrote: The only person I would feel in any way comfortable making any kind of meta read on while still alive in this game is iamperfection, and thats only because he has a very, very distinctly different posting style as town vs scum. At least until he figures out how to trick me  On October 23 2012 03:34 Keirathi wrote: It's pretty easy. Note the bolded. Scum iamp doesn't say things like that that could potentially make him look bad. It's basically the same read I had on him in Aperture, where I was wrong. The key difference, I think, is that he only had 4 posts and I made a snap judgement rather than basing it on an overall pattern, partly because GSL2 was still going on at the time and I was convinced he was scum in that game (which I was right about). He is very distinctly more carefree as town, while being careful as scum. Of course, I've told him this multiple times so he could potentially try to play differently, and his recent posting regarding me and v7 seems much more careful than his posting earlier in the day. So, I'm still slightly town on him and wouldn't want to lynch him today. If he is scum trying to play differently, I don't think he'll be able to keep it up for long. On October 23 2012 03:53 Keirathi wrote: It's pretty hard to separate that knowledge out. I've read or played in every single game that iamp has been in, AFAIK. Maybe I would be a bit suspicious of a random guy for hopping on the easy bandwagons, but not more so than other people. But again, I don't think this is scum iamp. On October 24 2012 05:23 Keirathi wrote: These are the kind of posts that are making me suspicious of iamp again. It's just so...not iamp. Town iamp doesn't give a fuck what you think about him. He explains himself when he feels like it, and doesn't care how bad the explanation is. He certainly doesnt apologize, even sarcastically. Note that you're even aware of the possibility that, because you've discussed this exact issue with him, he could just be acting differently to confuse you. | ||
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I think he's scummy I don't care as much for the meta in this case, because it's been discussed Your response just seemed very focus on asking me to match up this game with his meta. I'd point towards GSL 2, especially D1, to read for him acting like he is here, imo. Just remembered 3 because we were in it together, and this same thing came up. | ||
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But let's say that all negative numbers are scummy, and all positive numbers are townie. Would the number corresponding to iamperfection be real or imaginary? | ||
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Would the SQUARE ROOT of the number corresponding to iamperfection be real or imaginary? | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: I must protest at your assumption that everyone is a "gentleman." Surely some of the folks here aren't.randombum, you appear to be a man of integrity. At the very least, I am a fan for the time being of a gentleman who concurs with my thoughts. austin: please phrase your enquiries in a manner that I can comprehend, it would verily be appreciated by this gentle soul. You disagree with keirathi in terms of iamperfection's meta, it seems. But do you agree with some of the points that I raised? Do you find iamperfection to be a scummy scamp or a townie scamp? | ||
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Because kurumi makes it sound like sylencia's alignment can be determined based on what he's trying to get Kurumi to do with his role... | ||
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There's only one answer there though. Back in 15-20. | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:36 iamperfection wrote: this Hassybaby wagon feels comfy by the way, i encourage everyone to at least try it out. go read his filter he says nothing of value he is a good lynch. He says nothing of value. But he also pretty much says nothing at all. Perhaps he's being especially sneaky in not making excuses, saying he's catching up, throwing in a post here or there, but his being a nonfactor in this game right now points me towards him just not playing. | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:45 iamperfection wrote: he did have that i might need your help for my role guys but there was no follow up. That's being a non-factor. I might at some unknown time in the future possibly need help from you guys about something I haven't revealed. It shows that he read his role PM, I guess. But he didn't say what it meant, and IF there is something in there that he wants to discuss with town, he hasn't done so. Again, to me that shows he simply isn't playing atm. | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:48 Blazinghand wrote: guys guys guys read my case on oats There have been more than just those two games, though. I don't think town oats in CT was as forceful, but I also didn't join until later. | ||
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I'm gonna look his stuff back over, because I hadn't been overly scummy on him this game. But it's worth another look. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:03 Sylencia wrote: austin: you asked if I was here about 6 hours ago, I am now - what did you want to ask? I wanted to do some back and forth questioning with you, try and get you active in thread for a bit and give us something to work with. For now I'd like to put it aside, because there's other stuff happening and a lynch is coming up. | ||
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But here...there are a couple things I get hung up on. On February 13 2013 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote: You didnt say it outright no, but the way you have been asking questions, is making me think you have a scum read on me. Why does it matter, if ME as town, has a lousy and innaccurate read on BH? Just ignore it/correct it and move on. However, if Me as scum, has a unsupported town read on BH, does it make BH scummier? Or townier? In conclusion, the only reason to be asking me questions like these is if you think I am scum This is just a funky post. He's responding to Keirathi, who's been poking at him, but hasn't outright called Oats scum. This post, to me, is devoid of scummy intention. He's trying to get this point across, he's trying to draw conclusions or get other people to draw conclusions from his actions, but not in a way that's like...doing much. I'm having a hard time coming up with why scumOats responds here in this way. It doesn't muddy the waters about whether you (BH) are town/scum, it doesn't try to make himself look townie, it doesn't really respond to keirathi's posts specifically, it feels like something that he just posted off the cuff and this was his thought process at the moment. On February 13 2013 22:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Nope, I see no reads in your 'first' post Marv. Help us out here. Pew pew. Super magical kurumi rule. He couldn't interpret a post that was written in an odd style, but he's trying to do so. Shows he wants to get information from the thread. Not foolproof, but in general I'm inclined to see people who try to make sense of cryptic posts/posters in a townie light --> they're trying to figure things out, which is townie to me. All his nonsense with me. He kept derailing thread about whether I had a town read on him and DI, assuming I did, questioning me. Yes, it clogged up thread. Yes, it didn't go anywhere useful. But he wasn't creating a big ol' stink and dragging the whole THREAD into it, he was mostly pestering ME. He may have posted a bunch and not pushed things forward at that point, created clutter, but the fact that a lot of it was him chatting with me keeps me from attributing a scummy mindset/purpose to those posts. I don't want to vote him. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:26 Keirathi wrote: Forgive me for not jumping to sheep you then, but your weakly reasoned policy-but-not-policy lynch of Kenpachi in Parallel has turned me away from following you down those rabbit holes. That lynch was butt, but marv wasn't the only reason it went down. Heck, iirc, he wanted to lynch ME at first. He was also 3P. That lynch was also SPECTACULARLY butt. | ||
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AMG HERE IS A THING THAT WE PERCEIVE AS SCUMMY BUT ALSO HE HAS DONE THIS AS TOWN. LET'S LYNCH HIM UNLESS HE EXPLAINS. When just a little while before, you said I also don't actually wanna lynch stutters. Just wanted to pressure him into posting. That makes me think that you don't find stutters scummy. You don't want to lynch him, just wanted him to post. Yet, despite not finding him scummy, you want to move BACK to him because of something you know he has done as town? Does not compute. Like, you say you want to go "back" to him. But if your reasons before were "wanted to pressure him into posting," you SHOULDN'T want to go back, because it's lynch time. We need to lynch SCUM. Not lynch someone to try and get them to post. The same reason you say you voted for him previously no longer applies, so going "back" is silliness. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:34 Blazinghand wrote: as town he'd want to push a case or like interact with the thread in a meaningful way If you're going to push Oats heavily on meta, does the fact that stutters has ninja voted, done so recently, and done so as town (apparently), not have any weight? If not, porqueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:45 kitaman27 wrote: I didn't really come to any conclusions from it, other than the fact that sylencia found it important to respond to a player that was voting for him. Did you get something out of the exchange? I find it odd that you seem focused on sylencia as a scumread, but didn't mention or draw anything from what has been the only sylencia-centric exchange in the thread, imo. Especially given that, if we can trust kurumi, there's some way in which they can check each other, meaning that sylencia may be a bad lynch at this time because we'll be certain/certainish about his alignment later. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:48 Dandel Ion wrote: So we're 4-4-3-2 right now. You guys suck at consolidating. Believe oats is at 5 votes. It's not looking like crossfire or jcarlson is around right now, which makes moving two of the votes off iamperfection difficult. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:51 iamperfection wrote: im going to say this one more time anyone. and i mean anyone. that is going to rely on thier role to prove they are town is an idiot. i dont care what role you have you can only be judged by your contributions. This is NOT true if sylencia gives kurumi the role "On N1 we each check each other and are guaranteed to know each other's alignments, nothing can mess with this, etc. etc." I'm not saying that kurumi has a role that can show his alignment. I'm saying that, from what kurumi posted, it APPEARS that the role ITSELF can check both his and sylencia's alignments, depending on what happens. | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:11 iamperfection wrote: what would have changed............... See all the other posts, or just think about it. Role creator knew that a lynch on Oats meant a lynch on the first voter. If he thought BH was town, he should have said something so that we knew what was going to happen. If he didn't think BH was town...he should have said something anyway? I don't remember anyone finding BH scummy, so there was no reason to speak up. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:51 Keirathi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster Keirathi's vote was ON OATS. He unvoted and revoted oats. He would have been the first voter had he not done that. | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:13 Dandel Ion wrote: Everyone claim their role target and the one left over is responsible. It's easy for me to say that, I already told ya I made randombums, l0l. IF we are going to do this, we need to have a discussion beforehand. I don't think we need to all claim right now. I also don't want 2-3 people to read this and claim, which then kind of forces everyone else to fall in line. We should not be doing that before having a discussion on the matter. | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:14 iamperfection wrote: It's not bearing on your alignment that you don't seem to be thinking stuff through, but...come on manwould it have stoped bh? i dont think so he was in his town tunnel mode but whatever If someone tells you, "Hey, I made the role of the guy you're lynching, and he's going to kill the first voter on him, which is you. You can avoid this if you just unvote and revote: aren't you going to do it? Scum, town, whatever BH's alignment was, if someone said YOU ARE DOING A THING THAT WILL KILL YOU AND IF YOU TYPE THESE TWO LINES IT WON'T KILL YOU, then you probably type those lines. Whether he was tunneling or not, town or scum, anything...oat's role's creator didn't need to STOP BH, he just needed BH to unvote/revote, or at the very least to let everyone know "HAI GAIZ SOMEONE GONNA DIE" | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:16 Keirathi wrote: When I unvoted, I was the ONLY vote on Oats, and no one was even seriously talking about lynching him. The bandwagon happened after I unvoted. I AM WRONG AND KEIRATHI IS CORRECT AND I AM BAD AT READING. KEIRATHI DID NOT UNVOTE AND REVOTE OATS | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: Maybe his role creator thought it was possible that BH was scum. Notice that my first vote was on BH. Also, there was 5 minutes of panic voting, and I'm currently away from my computer. Sorry it fucked us, but don't you fucking blame me for sheeting the fuck out of BH. I was all for iamperfection, but preferred a lynch over a no lynch. | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:37 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, I agree. I just decided it was crazytalk. Perhaps mocsta will replace in and we'll have ACTUAL crazytalk.That was indeed my interpretation, my good sir. For what other reason did he say "you can bitch about the role I created tomorrow." Also I do not understand why gentleman jcarlson would ask the rest of us gentleman to bitch about the role he created if he did not, in fact, create young Oats' role. | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:54 iamperfection wrote: What does this have to do with ANYTHING?also this is so appropriate for bh given his role and his actions in trying to lynch me and oats | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:58 iamperfection wrote: that should be self evident austin. If he was trying to bring balance to the force And he wanted to lynch you and oats And oats flipped town... Moreover, the only effect that his flip has on his wanting to lynch you is that...now we know he was a townie and wanted to lynch you. | ||
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kita leaves Dover at 150 km/h, staying at that speed. It trains on over to the chunnel, and trains through the chunnel, headed for Lyons. sylencia leaves Lyons at 200 km/h, staying at that speed. It trains on over to the chunnel, through the chunnel, headed for Dover. do they hit each other in france, the chunnel, or england? | ||
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Kurumi, can I ask you about this post? On February 15 2013 08:43 Kurumi wrote: ONE MINUTE What the heck.. I didn't pick up on it fully when you first posted this, but was the "What the heck" due to these posts in succession, or due to the "I'm reading through things to see who I want to vote" --> one minute later "BH's case is more compelling than others" I missed the timestamps, but that's a MIGHTY quick read through the last couple pages. | ||
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On February 16 2013 05:51 iGrok wrote: Remember to pm Hopeless with everything. If I get it and he doesn't, it doesn't count. Nice try, iGrok. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:24 Dandel Ion wrote: Try at what, lol? Infiltrating the game and...being evil? I dunno. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:26 Dandel Ion wrote: He's supposed to do that though. See the nightpost. tl;dr oops | ||
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It's kind of something that will either be confirmed because everyone sees you, or blowed up when they don't. So it makes no sense to fakeclaim that, and it's not like covering your scummy self by claiming to be a self-aware miller because you say you're responsible for EVERYTHING. So for now, it's good to know in case of any investigative powers, but it's not alignment-determinative. | ||
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Gonzaw, I don't need that part of the manual, I don't think. I've been observing the data from my tests, and the data is all coming in lower than I think it should. I thought maybe the manual could help me figure out why my I'm not seeing the numbers that I thought I might. DI, I have no idea what that means really, but okay! | ||
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I'm doing my best to resist my normal play this game and so I'm putting aside 3P for now. We have 4 scum in this game and maybe some 3P. Topping my scumreads are kitaman and iamperfection. Here's the dealio. I thought iamperfection was scummy D1. Is he contributing much to the thread? No, certainly not as much as I would expect from someone with his number of posts. Why not? Well, lots of one-liners, lots of questions that he doesn't follow up on. Scummy. Have I seen this before? Yes. From scum iamp in GSL 2. Does that mean he's 100% scum this game? No. That's stupid. But meta? No. We should shutup about meta, where "meta" = he is more in-your-face as x than y. That's not a particularly difficult thing to fake, at least for a little bit. He has had opportunities to push discussion forward this game, and instead has taken the opportunity to shut it down. He has asked questions, but not followed up in a way that makes it look like he cares about the answers. Instead of trying to figure out what kurumi was saying at times, he just shat on kurumi's posts and people who post cryptically. Those things are scummy. People who do scummy things are probably scum. Ta da. kitaman is different. It's less about what he's done and more about what he's NOT done. Look at his start to this game. "I am kitaman the mighty, the towniest townie ever. I will drive discussion, I will push the game FORWARD (stop talking about instant lynch, it's over, let's move on)." Since then...nada. I expect more from kita, and the very fact that he STARTED the game so townie shows that he can play a friggin townie game. But his followup shows that he wanted to START townie, to look townie, and tells me that he's not. Specific things that I'm picking up on are his pushes/reads D1. On February 14 2013 21:20 kitaman27 wrote: The thing about stutters is that he even acknowledges the harm of a lurker, yet 36 hours into the game has yet to make a real post -_- I'll try to check in during lunch to make my decision for today's lunch. Wish more people would actually start posting so we would have something to actually go by. Stutters is a lurker. This post comes 12 hours after kia's last post. 13 hours after kita's last substantive post, where he chides town about pooping up thread and asks some questions. But kita's return is full of nothing. He notes that stutters is a lurker. YES! Good job team! We all know that, it's been pointed out. For someone who doesn't want one-liners and a clogged thread, he's returning to quote a post more than 11 hours old and do nothing with it. That is scummy to me. He has no new info, no followup to his questions, he just pokes at a lurker. And then? On February 15 2013 03:00 kitaman27 wrote: Right now, my gut read tells me that Sylencia is a newbie lurker. There really isn't much to go by with him, but so far Sylencia has only responded to people who have placed a vote on him, indicating that his prime concern is survival. He hasn't made any posts that show he cares about town or hasn't come up with any sort of plan that could benefit us. Even his comment about the PYP is a one liner that doesn't show very strong resolve. He also shows a lack of confidence or aggressiveness, which is generally a mafia trait. Even if he is overwhelmed by the setup, there are still plenty of player interactions to comment on. When I asked him if he had any suspicions, he said no and promised to catch up, but never did so. If this was his first game, maybe I'd understand, but looking through his old games, he has like 4-5 under his belt. By now he should be able to know what kind of things to look for and comment without being prompted. For now, I'll keep my vote on Sylencia. Unfortunately, I have to head out yet. Hopefully by the time I get home I'll have time to look at the rest of the candidates. We're now MUCH further into the game. Kita returns with a read (good). Kita's read is on sylencia (eh). It's a substantive post, but it's so restricted. It talks ONLY about why he thinks this one lurker, who his vote was already on, is scummy. He admits "there really isn't much to go by with him." But kita has spun that not very much info into his only decent post in a while. He still hasn't followed up questions, looked elsewhere, commented on anything else. At this point, kita, who was policing the thread so hard early and being a great townie, is not interacting with thread. He went from participating, getting a feel for the thread and guiding it forward, to chiming in with thoughts on sylencia and commenting on nothing else. But yet, he's kind of...missing stuff about the guy he's focused on. I saw that, and asked him: On February 15 2013 08:45 kitaman27 wrote: I didn't really come to any conclusions from it, other than the fact that sylencia found it important to respond to a player that was voting for him. Did you get something out of the exchange? On February 15 2013 08:53 kitaman27 wrote: I only noticed the Barrack Obama claim. I didn't catch kurumi's later post about the alignment confirming, though I'm still not quite sure I understand what he's saying. Swapping to oats as he is my secondary preference and I want a lynch this cycle. Effectively, in sylencia's small filter, Kita missed all of this: On February 14 2013 15:01 Sylencia wrote: Kurumi, since you're voting for me right now, can I ask you to let me perhaps share with you the fact I'm innocent tonight? On February 15 2013 00:00 Sylencia wrote: But you realise you have nothing to lose by passing through the night. If I wanted to kill you, it'd be out there in the open wouldn't it? On February 15 2013 00:01 Sylencia wrote: well actually, I take that back I'd do it the more traditional way but still, it's a gamble I think you should take. Not buying it. kita either missed that or didn't really read through sylencia. If he MISSED it, when I brought it up, I would expect him to have comments. Substantive comments. This is a THING that sylencia has done, right now, he's "that lurky dude who might be scum and has something to do with kurumi." That is "sylencia" in the dictionary. But kita "didn't really come to any conclusions from it." When I brought it up, he says he missed it and doesn't follow up. That tells me this read is fake. It tells me we have scumkita, because he didn't really read over sylencia or doesn't really care about sylencia's posts. He's a good player. He's a "vet" afaik. He started out SO townie. But look at the follow-up. There isn't any. He's not interacting with thread. His only substantive post/case is on a lurker without much to go on, yet he misses the defining thing that lurker has done. If he's busy/at work, not a problem. But he HAS some posts. They just stopped doing anything. The well of townieness ran dry, and now he's coasting and doing nothing, which absolutely does not match up with active, thread police kita at the start. Look at how well he's ducked ANY talk about himself. I'm guessing most people have him as town because of his early posts, but then he hasn't been around actively, so they're not updating the read. But the not being around ITSELF is important here given his early play, and given his more recent posts. kita so scummy. Plox to lynch or shoot or something? Who else might be scum? Gonzaw could be. This is much more like his recent scum game than his town games, not just because he's not spammy but because he's poking his head up when being talked to, not adding much in the way of new thoughts to the thread (besides a read on keirathi), and then disappearing again. I do not like this. He also made my role, which contains some hidden information that I am not given access to. I asked for his read on me because I figured if he was strongly townie on me, he might tell me that info. But he didn't, which is confusing me right now. In light of the rest of his play, I'm currently leaning scum on him. Those would be my main reads for the moment, I guess. | ||
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Mildly townie on stutters, given his response to my questioning yesterday. Need to see more, because that post could have been crafted relatively easily, given the amount of time between question/answer, and how iamperfection's filter can really only leave you with one impression at that point - not a lot said, one-liners, questions, etc. worried about randombum. He's been on the periphery of things. I don't get strong feelings from him any way, and 30 minutes after reading his filter, I realize I dont' remember much about it. Randombum in PU was interactive, doing stuff, and there were things I remember (even if I remember dumb stuff like him calling out Palmar for calling him a bitch, the filter was MEMORABLE). I don't like that a picture of his posts/filter doesn't stick with me after I read it. townie on kurumi. Mainly because of that single post where he notes the timing of sylencia's reading a couple pages, digesting cases, and picking a favorite. I get less of a read from sylencia making those posts because maybe he's just lazy/not actually reading as hard as we'd want him to/whatever, so I'm not 100% convinced sylencia is just flat-out lying. But the fact that kurumi picked up on that is a BIG townie point for him in my mind. I'm not experienced with scum yet, but post timings isn't something I'd look for to attack people on. I'm just not gonna notice things like that and bring it to the thread's attention, imo. So, pretty much just off that one post, I'm townie on kurumi. relatively townie on marv, actually. Out of all the people piling on lurkers yesterday, he had some actual reasons for voting lurkers. Marv can make up reasons if he needs to, but he didn't need to in that scenario, because everyone was just pooping on lurkers in general. Marv chose a specific lurker, for a reason, and pushed that guy. I like that a lot more than him just shotgunning at sylencia/cheesecake/hassy, and although I disagree with his assessment of hassy's posts this game as doing something and then disappearing, I can see where he's coming from. I also fully support stupid posting, staying in character, whatever, and I don't give two craps whether he puts effort into the game or not. It would be better if he did (so long as he's town), but On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote: What is Mafia? To put very simply, Mafia is a game of lying. marv carried my ass, and some other asses, a little while ago. I don't care if he wants to take one off and enjoy it. It's a game. Our job to solve it with or without his help. Anyway, I'm not scummy on him at the moment, when there are other scum suspects. jcarlsoniv is whatever he is. His claim timing is wonky, but not in a way that has me sure of any alignment. most of the rest of the players I don't have a particularly strong read on, or don't have any special thoughts about that you shouldn't. | ||
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Awwww man. I came close to figuring out what you needed DI, but didn't quite get there and tried to avoid playing the "what is DI's power" subgame. Did what I could to stay away from role/setup fun this game and play mafia as much as I could. On February 20 2013 03:28 Dandel Ion wrote: We didn't only have bad players. That's bs. We lost SIX townies in the first cycle, and some solid players within that, and it heavily neutered our ability to catch up. Kita was as close to straight-up outed as mafia as you can get, and had done more or less nothing except push sylencia's lynch for a while, yet town still lynched sylencia.btw I dunno how this went from 20 - 5, to 13 - 4, but that sure didn't help. Add to that that town only had bad players. Hassybaby, whhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? I was really hoping for a hairless victory or for that role to get passed along a couple people before game's end. Instead it just fizzled out hardcore | ||
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Hassy getting replaced meant that there was no first officer AND nobody became bald during the first night, so everything about that role got a late start in moving. I agree, though, that choosing Gonzaw was odd. | ||
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On February 20 2013 03:53 gonzaw wrote: No, I didn't. Considered going for the doubler,but the abilities all seemed so expensive that I was skeptical I could survive long enough for it to pay off and me to get anything done.Hey austin, did you buy any ability at night? Or did you just hoard JP points? Also Grey, what are the "hidden" bonus JP austin could have gotten? I assume you changed the ones I knew right? (if it's in the spreadsheet I can't see it, for some reason my browser skips cell 12 which is austin's one lol) Because the hidden things were hidden, it looked like I needed to wait til N2 or N3 to get anything BIG off, and probably only had one shot at a big use if I were going for maximum impact. So I sat on my points D1, and because I died I don't even know how many I would have had going into D2. | ||
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On February 20 2013 03:57 gonzaw wrote: Well supposedly Grey should have "balanced" the role if indeed the abilities were too expensive >_> You could have Roleblocked everybody that had a prime number of posts though, that would have been fun! (and you had the JP to do that N1 I think) It would have taken 650. I figured I gained JP at the end of each cycle, because the post restriction bonus was "10 posts in a single cycle." So during N1, I thought I only had 500 JP. In that case, the only possible action I could take was to roleblock everyone who had a number of visitors that was a multiple of 5. Seemed unlikely to do anything. | ||
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On February 20 2013 04:04 gonzaw wrote: Yeah you were supposed to gain JP at the end of every cycle I even told Grey how to do it: Yeah, but a cycle is day/night. So I would have gained JP at the daypost starting D2, but didn't even live through the first cycle. | ||
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25 energy per PHASE, day/night. 50 per cycle. I've always been told that a cycle is day/night, and that also fits with the Infestor energy gains. POSTGAME EDIT: I see what you're saying with that, but based on that the creator said, it was supposed to be a gain of 25 per day and 25 per night, for 50 a cycle. That PM just says 25 energy per phase, that he GAINS at the daypost (as I read it). So he gets 25 per cycle, but is only given the energy at the daypost, so it only comes in 50 energy chunks, at least as I read that. | ||
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Plus, as far as the thread could tell: (1) you made my role; (2) my role had hidden ways to gain power; (3) you didn't reveal those ways to me; and (4) you thought I was town. Anyone who was mildly-very scummy on you and read my full PM and interactions with you SHOULD have concluded that you were scum. None of us knew that you didn't know yourself what had made it into the final role. | ||
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In terms of lessons learned for future PTP games, being super clear on how the role works seems like a good idea, and adding some more healing/protective powers seems like a good idea. Most of us went for offense, or gave people the OPTION for defense (except the support role, which had pure defense built in. Any others?), and it meant a very, very quick end to the game. | ||
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Thanks for hosting this Grey/hopeless, even though it was a stomp, it was fun to play and delivered on the interesting bits that a PTP game can produce. On February 20 2013 04:55 GreYMisT wrote: I loved the Picard role and might use it in another game. The role acts as a tracker and a 1 shot mason, and rewards you for choosing the correct alignment both because he will protect you, assume your role if he dies, and you can mason him. Thanks. I realized that I like the idea of roles in Holy Roman, where they get passed down. Most of the rest was to try and add flavor but keep it from being OP, so you couldn't full-on mason someone and couldn't always rely on track results (especially with the speed of this game). One thing I was thinking about as this played out was how the power word mafia that you (you, right?) always seem to want to get fully fleshed out and run functions somewhat like Holy Roman. Everyone's got something, and then as kills happen you've got players who are gaining more words/power. For some reason that always seems very complex, and like it wouldn't be friendly to newer players/lurkers/possible anyone, but there's something neat to the idea of powers that can get passed on from player to player. | ||
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On February 20 2013 05:15 GreYMisT wrote: He could pick a town bodygaurd and have that town player bodygaurd him. of course thats a risk because the town player would get his role if he were ever lynched. ^ that was what I intended. Basically, I figured that if he chose a town bodyguard, he took a risk. Should he get killed by anything odd (third parties, reflected stuff, etc.), then he could actually use the bodyguard to take a shot. But seeing as it was more likely a scum player would get killed by town KP/lynch, he'd be giving up the Picard role to a townie. If he chose a scum bodyguard, the risk of losing the role to town was much less, but there was a small chance that he'd reveal a scumbuddy if he were killed by something odd. If he died a normal death, town could maybe figure out who had been chosen as first officer, and then could make the determination whether that guy needed killing or no. At some point, scum either outs their team by keeping the role within the mafia, or some mafia Picard chooses a townie first officer and risks giving up the role. I imagined they could WIFOM things somewhat, but ultimately you couldn't keep passing Picard from scum to scum because town would start lynching all picards/first officers until you ended up hitting a town player (who hopefully would have chosen a town first officer, so that town knew that Picard would have a town-chosen first officer the next day). | ||
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On February 20 2013 07:51 gonzaw wrote: I figured maybe there was some calculator-specific stuff in the hidden things. I referenced Phoenix and Falldown, the two graphing calculator games I remember (shoutouts to high school and TI-82 or 83!). I tried all the number combinations that spelled out words that were funny when I was in middle school. That was about all I could think of to try for calculator specific, except I thought about claiming to be charging based on solar energy or something, except then I'd have to convince people I wasn't venosaur or whatever pokemon it is.Anyways austin, you could have shouted to people and post in pretty colors and change your vote a lot. That could have net you like 300 JP or something Why would you think me wanting you to write "BOOBS" in numbers would be something I'd put in the role.....? >_> <_< I dunno, there was just NO indication as to what "hidden" ways were. It made them sound very secretive, and like they were different from the normal ways, which were all related to the game itself. So I was trying to post whatever I could calculator-specific or me-specific, thinking maybe those would trigger things. On February 20 2013 07:53 gonzaw wrote: Yaya, I would have ended up trying to mass protect/reflect or something. Way better use of the ability to hit multiple targets, imo, than me just hitting everyone for dmg or screwing EVERYTHING up by delaying a bunch of actions a night. I just needed to survive a day or two to hit that point, and it didn't happen. If only BH hadn't died and there were more town targets alive, maybe I'd have made it.Also austin, my role wasn't "offensive". As you can see the KP costed like 900KP. (Well, the RB was cheap, but I thought Grey would have made it more expensive when he and Hope "balanced" the role >_> ) I had protect+cure for 800+400 JP each you could have used. Also I tried to put more "support" and stuff that isn't just "KP" or "Protect", like the one that gives someone 1 more vote, etc. I tried to think of more, but couldn't We had some roles that could be used defensively, but either had equally good/better offensive powers, or ramped up. Yours was actually relatively balanced in that protecting a bunch of people, some that I could order around and get to post a certain multiplier, felt better than shooting a bunch of people for .5. It just seems that we had a LOT of early deaths, which really snowballed and knocked town out of things for the most part. Makes me want to make a more defensive role for the next PTP. Of course now everyone will make defensive roles, nobody will ever die, and the game will end up like Caller's Kebap game or something. | ||
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On February 20 2013 09:16 gonzaw wrote: Hey now. I think there were some decent ones. But yeah, I was cracking up as I typed that, it was so bad that I had to use it.The point for me was for you to get them without "trying", and then be like "wow how the fuck did I gain JP?" and try and figure out what you did or what happened to you Thus I tried putting stuff that you could make without trying (like the color stuff, or changing your vote a lot). Not post obscure stuff that you wouldn't do at all otherwise lol I put the "there are hidden things so act crazy!" also to, in a way, make you do funny shit trying to figure out the hidden ways so I could laugh at you....which kind of happened Also you should be ashamed of your "math" breadcrumbs (fibo)nac(ci) ? Come on dude Also, at first I misremembered what I needed to do, and tried to make 10 references in 1 post. | ||
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On February 20 2013 09:24 iamperfection wrote: I was kinda trying to lynch you, so I actually don't mind that.i thought about protecting you austin but then i didn't Really thought I looked nice and townie and could draw some protection. | ||
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On February 20 2013 09:31 iamperfection wrote: Yeah. I actually really liked your role, and it had some of the better powers-to-fit-a-flavor. But the fact that your prot forced you to be a bodyguard, when you could get a decent amount out of your role if you stayed alive, means it was probably worth trying to find someone who would stay around.i did think you were town. but i figured the person trying to kill me is my enemy so then i didn't. plus i could only protect one guy for the whole game for some reason. and for some reason it doesn't really help town since i would die anyway. | ||
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On February 20 2013 09:58 Blazinghand wrote: I fully support the use of this phrase.yeah i definitely had a man verson of a lady-boner for lynching gonzaw. | ||
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