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Blazinghand *
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February 09 2013 01:08 GMT
#71
/in
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February 09 2013 09:09 GMT
#81
I think wbg is also talking about people who don't play the game seriously but instead just lean on roles when playing. When I make a themed game like Witchcraft Mafia, I try to keep the underlying setup and roles as vanilla and straightforward as possible. Of course, you get games like Age of Empires in which there isn't really scumhunting,
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February 10 2013 04:17 GMT
#88
Yeah this game looks brotacular
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United States25550 Posts
February 10 2013 07:10 GMT
#94
On February 10 2013 15:58 Mocsta wrote:
I want to join, but not sure if I am allowed.

Will ask first.

I am in two games presently. (well second starts tomorrow)

Im confident I can keep up with both + this one; but, if you dont want me to join for that reason that is fine too!


99% of people who say this play like dick and/or get inactivity modkilled. do you really think you're a unicorn
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United States25550 Posts
February 10 2013 07:54 GMT
#96
On February 10 2013 16:25 Mocsta wrote:
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On February 10 2013 16:10 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 10 2013 15:58 Mocsta wrote:
I want to join, but not sure if I am allowed.

Will ask first.

I am in two games presently. (well second starts tomorrow)

Im confident I can keep up with both + this one; but, if you dont want me to join for that reason that is fine too!


99% of people who say this play like dick and/or get inactivity modkilled. do you really think you're a unicorn

lol

Well I said im OK if you're not. No need to be sarcastic. Was at least honest about the situation.


i'm not sarcastic like look every time someone says that message then read their filter
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United States25550 Posts
February 10 2013 08:09 GMT
#98
maybe if i give you enough crap about this it won't end badly
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United States25550 Posts
February 10 2013 08:29 GMT
#102
i dont even have anyone particular in mind dood

its all the same
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United States25550 Posts
February 10 2013 13:34 GMT
#105
judst play in games you want to play in and play well

there will be no frowning

only smils
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United States25550 Posts
February 11 2013 22:38 GMT
#124
dun duddundunDUN dun dundundunDUN dun dundundundundunDUN dundundundunDUN
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United States25550 Posts
February 11 2013 23:04 GMT
#133
is it vslentines day
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United States25550 Posts
February 11 2013 23:08 GMT
#136
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February 11 2013 23:38 GMT
#140
this is my pregame music'

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:05 GMT
#183
Secret ballot is a profoundly bad idea. I don't like Mayors. But Instant Majority Lynch is where it's at my brosephs

##Select: Instant Majority Lynch
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Blazinghand *
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United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:07 GMT
#186
FWIW, it might be easier to elect a Mayor on D2 than it is for your typical D1 Mayor election. Instant is superior though with or without the policy-- typically instant majority games in my experience favor town. Even a day of it is worthwhile.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:08 GMT
#187
Dandel Ion you can't force) people to say if they gave you a role. And I wouldn't recommend claiming who gave who roles or what because some roles work better when scum doesn't know what you are (ie Vet, DT, etc)
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United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:09 GMT
#190
I guess it depends of mayor is "decides the D2 lynch" or mayor is "decides the D2 lynch, and gets some additional powers and 1-2 bodyguards"-- I assume it's the former, in which case there's not a huge advantage to going mayor over instant majority, which increases the pressure on scum.
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United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:10 GMT
#191
On February 13 2013 09:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On February 13 2013 09:08 Blazinghand wrote:
Dandel Ion you can't force) people to say if they gave you a role. And I wouldn't recommend claiming who gave who roles or what because some roles work better when scum doesn't know what you are (ie Vet, DT, etc)

I KNOW I CANT FORCE IT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO


I suppose that's between you and your rolemaker, then. He knows who you are, and what you have, so he is probably a better judge of this than I am.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:16 GMT
#197
On February 13 2013 09:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Secret Ballot obviously best idea. I'm secretly scum and secretly don't want people to know who my secret buddies and I are secretly voting for.


please stop, omg please stop you're being so helpful i'm being crushed by your helpfulness

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:17 GMT
#200
On February 13 2013 09:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On February 13 2013 09:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Why not RNG vote Dandelion?! ;P

If someone could refresh my memory, does mayor have anything special other than choosing the lynch?

OH YEAH LET ME ROLL ONE.


THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 10! REJOICE!
##VOTE CROSSFIRE99


I could kiss you for that

On February 13 2013 09:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On February 13 2013 09:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Secret Ballot obviously best idea. I'm secretly scum and secretly don't want people to know who my secret buddies and I are secretly voting for.

THIS GUY IS SEXY.

NOT YET SURE IF ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE.


Easy way to find out

##vote: Mr. Cheesecake
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:18 GMT
#203
On February 13 2013 09:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##Sheep: Dandel Ion

##Vote: Crossfire99



so... helpfull..... stop being so helpful
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:21 GMT
#208
On February 13 2013 09:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On February 13 2013 09:18 marvellosity wrote:
1 kinda sounds hilarious. Are we against hilarious?

I FIND IT KIND OF UNFAIR THAT THE VOTING FOR THE SECRET VOTING IS NOT SECRET TOO

WHAT'S THE POINT OF THAT


maybe voting for the instant majority lynch should be instant majority
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:28 GMT
#212
On February 13 2013 09:22 Crossfire99 wrote:
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On February 13 2013 09:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 13 2013 09:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Wait why am I being voted for?


RNG's a bitch

Dude, I know. I am scum and you caught me. You should lynch me.


You wound us so
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:29 GMT
#214
So, what's with the all caps

I should have written a role that required only all capsq
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:29 GMT
#217
why is everyone's response to everything "sarcastically pretend to be scum"

this is possibly the least useful of all responses
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:31 GMT
#220
Kitaman's thoughts on using our knowledge of our role-receivers is smart. The responsibility should lie with each individual role-creator, at first. Bear in mind that once a few of us have died, this becomes less reliable ( a guy may be alive and his role-creator could be dead) but it is nonetheless an excellent idea.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:32 GMT
#222
I've already signaled my role-reciever that I'm his role-creator, if he's smart enough to pick up on it. If he's not, well, that's pretty typical of him. But it's okay.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:33 GMT
#224
I can't really pass up an opportunity to insult someone who is utterly defenseless and unable to retort.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:37 GMT
#226
always
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Blazinghand *
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United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 00:59 GMT
#232
you can find the voting thread here.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:03 GMT
#251
On February 13 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On February 13 2013 09:32 Blazinghand wrote:
I've already signaled my role-reciever that I'm his role-creator, if he's smart enough to pick up on it. If he's not, well, that's pretty typical of him. But it's okay.


why would you want to do that?


nice try
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:04 GMT
#252
On February 13 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well, I dont think mayor is necessarily good because its not worth the risk IMO.
If we vote in scum, We will defiantly not get a scum lynch tomorrow, and also, it basically kills discussion.


your reasons are bad

you are scum

##unvote
##vote Oatsmaster
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:20 GMT
#260
On February 13 2013 12:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
And we are gonna get trolly BH this game.
Thats totally great. And awesome.


the idea that the reason we should choose instant majority over mayoral based on the "risk of electing scum" is preposterous, as is the idea that mayoral would kill discussion. You posted something that appeared townie and "part of the herd" but was nothing but smoke and mirrors. These conclusions are not conclusions a townie would come to. there is no trolling happening here. simply put: you are scum.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:20 GMT
#261
On February 13 2013 12:16 gonzaw wrote:
Well basically (from what I remember in other games) nobody votes at all and keep discussing stuff until they have the balls to lynch someone, just so they don't hammer too soon.


and from what I remember from hosting plenty of instant majority lynch games, this scenario works out really well for town and really poorly for scum
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Blazinghand *
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United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:25 GMT
#263
I'm not saying mayoral lynch is better. I'm saying that the reasoning you gave for instant majority being better (and note, instant majority is in fact better), is fallacious and springs from a scum mindset. The issue isn't that you disagree with me, but rather, that your agreeing with me is done in a scummy way.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:25 GMT
#264
Also, the fact that you haven't taken a moment to read my filter and realize my own reasoning for instant majority lynch is not helping your case in the slightest.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:28 GMT
#266
zZz
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February 13 2013 03:29 GMT
#268
Nice try moving goalposts mr oats

unless you have something more to say I think my case stands for itself
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United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:40 GMT
#276
On February 13 2013 12:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On February 13 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Nice try moving goalposts mr oats

unless you have something more to say I think my case stands for itself


I don't really...see a case?

His reasoning isn't necessarily bad, it just differs from yours.


Look, think about your thought process as a townie when you evaluated the three options. You probably rejected the Secret Ballot out of hand barring some weird circumstances because it takes information away from town, then you thought about Mayoral and Instant Majority. Thinking about the strengths and drawbacks of both, you'd note that Mayoral elections produce a different kind of discussion than lynch votes (not necessarily better or worse) and the actual vote itself tends to be about who says they'll use the lynch on whom and who you have a town-read on. Instant Majority sounds dangerous but actually buts the scum under a lot of pressure assuming nobody gets dumb and jumps the gun on the hammer.

But what you don't think about, and I'm certain nobody town aligned thinks about as a main reason not to use mayoral, is the possibility of making a scum player mayor. It's a risk of mayoral, but it's not the reason you wouldn't run it-- after all, if what the mayor does is pick who gets lynched, picking a scum player to be mayor isn't a huge risk. We're not giving powers to the scumteam, and in fact, having a scum under that spotlight could be very helpful to town. From a townie perspective, which any townie will have, you probably want instant majority because it's simple and lets you lynch someone. You want your vote to do something and you want to put pressure on the scum. You don't reject mayoral because a scum might get elected-- this might actually be the best outcome short of a townie get elected and lynching scum. You reject mayoral because instant majority is better and gives you more power to hunt scum.

Oats came into this giving reasoning that comes from a mindset not of townie scumhunting, but of scum shirking responsibility and blending in, and thinking fearfully.

I thought this was pretty obvious, guys
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 03:41 GMT
#277
BAZINGA
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February 13 2013 03:58 GMT
#288
On February 13 2013 12:57 austinmcc wrote:
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On February 13 2013 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, I think scum BH is better at the game. At least he appears to be better than town BH.


What are you basing these BH reads on?

probably on trying to get md to stop attacking hin
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February 13 2013 04:02 GMT
#293
On February 13 2013 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am basing them/it off his posting.

So does me giving BH a town read alignment indicative?

given how youve phrased it yes... u scum
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February 13 2013 04:34 GMT
#296
On February 13 2013 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 13 2013 12:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 13 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Nice try moving goalposts mr oats

unless you have something more to say I think my case stands for itself


I don't really...see a case?

His reasoning isn't necessarily bad, it just differs from yours.


Look, think about your thought process as a townie when you evaluated the three options. You probably rejected the Secret Ballot out of hand barring some weird circumstances because it takes information away from town, then you thought about Mayoral and Instant Majority. Thinking about the strengths and drawbacks of both, you'd note that Mayoral elections produce a different kind of discussion than lynch votes (not necessarily better or worse) and the actual vote itself tends to be about who says they'll use the lynch on whom and who you have a town-read on. Instant Majority sounds dangerous but actually buts the scum under a lot of pressure assuming nobody gets dumb and jumps the gun on the hammer.

But what you don't think about, and I'm certain nobody town aligned thinks about as a main reason not to use mayoral, is the possibility of making a scum player mayor. It's a risk of mayoral, but it's not the reason you wouldn't run it-- after all, if what the mayor does is pick who gets lynched, picking a scum player to be mayor isn't a huge risk. We're not giving powers to the scumteam, and in fact, having a scum under that spotlight could be very helpful to town. From a townie perspective, which any townie will have, you probably want instant majority because it's simple and lets you lynch someone. You want your vote to do something and you want to put pressure on the scum. You don't reject mayoral because a scum might get elected-- this might actually be the best outcome short of a townie get elected and lynching scum. You reject mayoral because instant majority is better and gives you more power to hunt scum.

Oats came into this giving reasoning that comes from a mindset not of townie scumhunting, but of scum shirking responsibility and blending in, and thinking fearfully.

I thought this was pretty obvious, guys

While I see where you are coming from, I did actually think about electing scum as a mayor being a big downside to Mayoral vs Instant.

For one, it is immensely difficult to tell the difference between a town mayor lynching another townie, and a scum mayor lynching a townie. And for two, its much harder to hold people accountable for their votes in an 'everything-goes-wrong' mayoral election. Mayoral elections tend to turn into "Follow the vet" more than "elect the towniest person in the game".


Even this thought process I consider distinct from oatsmaster's thoughts. See you don't just stop at "what if scum is elected", you immediately think about distinguishing town mayors lynching townies and scum mayors from lynching townies. You worry about a weakened discourse from the mayoral election and give specifics, and by the very action of doing so heighten the discourse of a potential mayoral election and pressure scum. This is not the thought process of a hasty unskilled scum player. Contrast what you've posted here with what Oatsmaster posted:
On February 13 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well, I dont think mayor is necessarily good because its not worth the risk IMO.
If we vote in scum, We will defiantly not get a scum lynch tomorrow, and also, it basically kills discussion.


What we don't see is any attempt to analyze, lay the groundwork for analysis, or even press for instant majority lynch. He's basically saying stuff similar to what you're saying, but he's saying it from a defensive, hidden, scummy mindset. It's key to realize that Oatsmaster and I are in agreement about which lynch system would be best for D2, but the way he's voiced his concerns has been scummy. Of COURSE the thought of a scum mayor occurs to you, and even if from your personal experience it's bad, it only takes a casual comparison between your post and oatsmaster's post to see that oatsmaster is scummy scum.

It's also important to note that Oatsmaster's initial response to my pressure was to discredit me-- say I'm "trolling" or have "confirmation bias", rather than convince me or defend himself adequately, and only after it appeared that others were listening did he decide his best defense was to call me town with no reasoning then disappear from the thread. Admittedly, it is possible that he's a confused townie, but his immediate reactions (discrediting with a gradual transition into panicked buddying) confirm his scum alignment in my eyes. Pending further information, I say we should all vote to lynch him.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2013 04:43 GMT
#298
Oatsmaster, most people who have played with me extensively are aware I'm very active and aggressive as both scum and town, and am highly prone to shenanigans as any alignment. I won't comment as to my own guilt. Experience tells me I will do too good a job of prosecuting myself, and convince you that I am guilty - or else you will decide that my prosecution was too half-hearted, and that I am scum. I will remark only this in my defense - that I have never been mislynched as town, and get lynched all the time as scum.
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February 13 2013 04:44 GMT
#299
actually, I got mislynched in storm mafia when I replaced in! I think that was the only time though.
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February 13 2013 04:47 GMT
#301
On February 13 2013 13:46 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 13:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Oatsmaster, most people who have played with me extensively are aware I'm very active and aggressive as both scum and town, and am highly prone to shenanigans as any alignment. I won't comment as to my own guilt. Experience tells me I will do too good a job of prosecuting myself, and convince you that I am guilty - or else you will decide that my prosecution was too half-hearted, and that I am scum. I will remark only this in my defense - that I have never been mislynched as town, and get lynched all the time as scum.

What are you even defending yourself from? He's done nothing but call you townie :o

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February 13 2013 05:09 GMT
#312
I'm not your role-maker but i bet he'd be happy if you targeted me
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February 13 2013 05:12 GMT
#314
i hope your ability gives candy
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February 13 2013 12:47 GMT
#340
On February 13 2013 21:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah but Scum Marv tries to win, like he would try to look really townie and probably succeed. Lurky marv probably has IRL issues.
But yeah, I dont really think he is scum at this point.
I will rethink this read at lylo probably.

you are literally bad
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February 13 2013 20:52 GMT
#456
On February 14 2013 05:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On February 14 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 14 2013 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 14 2013 01:07 Keirathi wrote:
On February 14 2013 01:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Good afternoon gentlemen, I hope you're all well

I've been reading everything while at my internship, and this comment caught my eye:

On February 14 2013 00:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
And no, the first job of a townie is to establish his own innocence. As you should know.


Justify this, because that's the last thing that a townie should be worried about imo

I agree with Dandel. Having amazing reads is good and all, but the reality is that most of us mere mortals are wrong as often (and sometimes even MORE often) than we are right. Proving that you are town is way more beneficial to town as a whole than any individual day's reads.


And see, to me, that's a bit odd. Dandelion expresses how important it is that townies establish town cred (which I personally somewhat disagree that that's not necessarily #1, but that's a whole different discussion) and yet he has done nothing at all in my mind to try to establish his own townieness.

If anything, his behavior thus far has led me the other way.

I did not say I did.

Has anybody filled your personal little criteria of "establishing townieness" yet? Cuz I don't think so.



Not at all. Some people are appearing townier in my mind, but as far as I'm concerned, you're all scum until the day I die.

I just find it interesting that for someone who is parading around the fact that town members should try to establish townieness first and foremost, you sure ain't doing any of that. Do as I say, not as I do, I suppose...

Also, I would like to point out that since Blazinhand challenged me and I voted him, and Dandelion picked up the assault on Oats, BH has all but fallen off the face of the planet.


man a guy sleeps for like 7-8 hours and he's off the face of the planet

I will not dignify your poop-vote on me with a response

I don't like how oats has been playing overnight. He is trying too hard to sound eager and "contribute" by asking a lot of pointless questions. he's still scum.
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February 13 2013 20:59 GMT
#457
also yeah gonzaw what's your deal are you scum or what
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February 13 2013 21:02 GMT
#459
he gets a chance to respond before we lynch him
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February 13 2013 21:04 GMT
#461
I'm getting bored so he gets 12 minutes
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February 13 2013 21:15 GMT
#466
TIMES UP

##unvote
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February 13 2013 21:17 GMT
#468
just to be clear: gonzaw is being profoundly useless acting like scum weird posts doesn't make sense blah blah you get the point
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February 13 2013 21:21 GMT
#471
that's my special secret role power: mind control to make people weirder

all that ALLCAPS business was me as well

jk
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February 13 2013 21:40 GMT
#474
On February 14 2013 06:29 Crossfire99 wrote:
Blazing, do you think gonzaw is scummier than oats?


at this moment yes. if oats was scummier i'd have my vote on him. there's no possible town reason gonzaw would act like he's acting
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February 13 2013 21:43 GMT
#477
On February 14 2013 06:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On February 14 2013 06:40 Crossfire99 wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:20 austinmcc wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
just to be clear: gonzaw is being profoundly useless acting like scum weird posts doesn't make sense blah blah you get the point

You keep inducing people to make weird comments. Oats before, now DI saying he'd sheep your vote without providing ANY explanation himself or waiting to see what your explanation was.

I thought perhaps he had a voting restriction and couldn't be the first voter on someone, but he started off voting Crossfire99, so he seems able to drop the first vote.

zzz, I called gonzo out for the exact same stuff 6 hours ago already.

DO YOU THINK HE HAS REAL LIFE ISSUES!?

OH JUST LIKE YOU OR DO YOU LURK BY CHOICE THIS GAME?


there's no such thing as real life issues
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February 14 2013 00:06 GMT
#508
Gonzaw not being very direct. But this most recent posting is town gonzaw, as opposed to scum gonzaw. I'm amenable to an oats lynch instead of a gonzaw lynch.
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February 14 2013 00:52 GMT
#513
On February 14 2013 09:25 gonzaw wrote:
You still think Oats will flip scum? What do you say about all the stuff everybody said "in favor" of Oats?


nobody in this game knows what they're talking about except me and anyone who I previously mentioned to know what they're talking about
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February 14 2013 00:56 GMT
#515
On February 14 2013 09:54 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 14 2013 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Gonzaw not being very direct. But this most recent posting is town gonzaw, as opposed to scum gonzaw. I'm amenable to an oats lynch instead of a gonzaw lynch.

Would you care elaborate on the specifics ?

Also oats is terrible Lynch he clearly has an interest in who gets lynched

Why are you pursuing this so strongly?


nope nope and nope
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February 14 2013 00:57 GMT
#516
actually yes nope and nope

gonzaw's listy posting is more like town. he's still the best lynch cause he entered this game playing like scum gonzaw and changed to town gonzaw after i called him out so like that's pretty suspicious
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February 14 2013 01:02 GMT
#518
On February 14 2013 10:00 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 14 2013 09:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2013 09:25 gonzaw wrote:
You still think Oats will flip scum? What do you say about all the stuff everybody said "in favor" of Oats?


nobody in this game knows what they're talking about except me and anyone who I previously mentioned to know what they're talking about

Lol


I will make an exception for greymist, who probably knows what he's talking about
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February 14 2013 01:02 GMT
#520
On February 14 2013 10:02 Crossfire99 wrote:
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On February 14 2013 06:40 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:29 Crossfire99 wrote:
Blazing, do you think gonzaw is scummier than oats?


at this moment yes. if oats was scummier i'd have my vote on him. there's no possible town reason gonzaw would act like he's acting

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On February 14 2013 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Gonzaw not being very direct. But this most recent posting is town gonzaw, as opposed to scum gonzaw. I'm amenable to an oats lynch instead of a gonzaw lynch.

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On February 14 2013 09:57 Blazinghand wrote:
actually yes nope and nope

gonzaw's listy posting is more like town. he's still the best lynch cause he entered this game playing like scum gonzaw and changed to town gonzaw after i called him out so like that's pretty suspicious

Uh...which is it? Is he scum or town? Or should I just wait another hour and he'll be back to being town.


wow you're literally bad
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February 14 2013 01:03 GMT
#521
okay for people with IQs below 50, here's my stance:

Lynch Gonzaw! I have my vote on him.
I am "amenable" to lynching Oats. This means I consider this a possibility, albeit not my top choice
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#522
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amenable
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February 14 2013 01:05 GMT
#524
iamperfection knows what he's talking about
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#528
And just so it's clear: it's not like there's been some big explosion in content between gonzaw being scummy and gonzaw being town-like. Like, if it was the first few posts in the game and everyone was derping around asking about policy or talking about tomorrow's lynch mechanic a few worthless posts would be forgivable but the time that passed between this post
On February 14 2013 05:09 gonzaw wrote:
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On February 14 2013 05:02 marvellosity wrote:
On February 14 2013 04:57 gonzaw wrote:
Kay im back

I would like to kill randombum today. Stuff he posted seemed too "neutral" and shit, specially that "wall of text" about BH.

Other than that maybe kill BH, he's being his usual trolly scum self, specially with that bad case on Oats.


I know you usually to be a gentleman of many words; the Captain of Debates (Cods).

Yet your discourse thus far has been sadly limited, one might say you have given up your place and become the Captain of Rare Pronouncements (Carps).

Is the gentleman not amiable to great discourse with his colleagues?


I skimmed the game and those are my first impressions.
Everything else is null and some pointless discussions.

marv, is this thing of yours a post restriction or are you doing it intentionally?


and this one

On February 14 2013 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
Sorry for the absence, I was playing PoE.

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On February 14 2013 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
just to be clear: gonzaw is being profoundly useless acting like scum weird posts doesn't make sense blah blah you get the point


I won't say I haven't been "useless", but I haven't been paying much attention to this game and not much has been going on.

Most of the "pointless discussions" were about Oats being scum for saying some stuff about the mayor choice, which I didn't see at all, and you just seemed to nit-pick stuff which didn't seem alignment-indicative at all.
That makes me a little suspicious of you, since you seem to still think Oats is scum and think your reasons are "legit".

Parking your vote on me right now is "easy" as well.

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On February 14 2013 06:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:06 austinmcc wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 14 2013 05:59 Blazinghand wrote:
also yeah gonzaw what's your deal are you scum or what

if you vote him i'll sheep you.

Why do you want to lynch Gonzaw?

Cuz he lurks and doesn't say anything useful and/or looking like he's trying to figure the game out.

Both were not things one could attribute him with the game I just played with him, where he was town, so I figure he may well be scum.


I basically joined this game for the PTP part lol
I'm not that invested in the actual mafia game itself, as I was with MTG, but whatever.


I still kind of want to kill randombum, but not many people have done enough stuff for me to get a good scum read on someone.
Stuff like this and this seem too neutral and trying to blend in.

Cheesecake posted some weird stuff I believe, but seemed kind of non-chalant so he may actually be town.
I didn't really notice anything else out of the ordinary in a scummy way.
Dandel is acting weird though, but he's still being a dick as he does as town (last game for instance) so he gives me a slight town gut feeling.


like nothing happened in thread that would give him more info about this stuff, it's just people pressuing him and him realizing he's slipped up

Gonzaw could have showed up and made this quasi-helpful post right away but he did not. And it wasn't dicking around at the start of the game, it was scum-motivated posting pushing scum objectives. his backpedaling to me only further indicates his scumminess
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#529
The main thing to bear in mind here is that Gonzaw is trying to actively emulate his town play and isn't doing too bad a job of it, but the timing of his town-like posting, as a response to pressure, and his initial scummy posting, make him #1 in my book. Look at the thread between those two posts and you won't see some new info coming to light that Gonzaw leaps on. It's just gonzaw realizing that he's been called out, and putting more effort into appearing townlike
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February 14 2013 01:11 GMT
#530
Kurumi's posts have been obnoxious so I haven't bothered reading them. I'm like 90% sure he'll get vigged for being annoying
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#537
On February 14 2013 10:13 Crossfire99 wrote:
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On February 14 2013 10:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2013 10:02 Crossfire99 wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:40 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:29 Crossfire99 wrote:
Blazing, do you think gonzaw is scummier than oats?


at this moment yes. if oats was scummier i'd have my vote on him. there's no possible town reason gonzaw would act like he's acting

On February 14 2013 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Gonzaw not being very direct. But this most recent posting is town gonzaw, as opposed to scum gonzaw. I'm amenable to an oats lynch instead of a gonzaw lynch.

On February 14 2013 09:57 Blazinghand wrote:
actually yes nope and nope

gonzaw's listy posting is more like town. he's still the best lynch cause he entered this game playing like scum gonzaw and changed to town gonzaw after i called him out so like that's pretty suspicious

Uh...which is it? Is he scum or town? Or should I just wait another hour and he'll be back to being town.


wow you're literally bad

I'm trying to understand your thought process. You begin with the same premise, gonzaw's most recent posting is townie, but then come to 2 different conclusions (lynch oats and lynch gonzaw) in the span of an hour. I want to know why you changed your mind.


well there's no way scum could be this intentionally opaque so maybe this isn't literally the worst town play I've ever seen
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#538
On February 14 2013 10:13 iamperfection wrote:
So what should he have done bh?

Continue to deep it up and do nothing?
His reaction to the pressure should be a null tell at best


what he should have done was be useful and try to hunt scum from the start

his reaction to pressure appears townlike but is in fact not. he's emulating town gonzaw
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#540
On February 14 2013 10:14 Crossfire99 wrote:
lol i should have refreshed


lol oop
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#557
On February 14 2013 10:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On February 14 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote:
Crossfire gets so many townie points for that.

All my townie points.

and my axe
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February 14 2013 03:58 GMT
#576
which half am i in
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#757
hello
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#763
votes on sttutttters and hassy are bad. these guys haven't shown a scum mindset, stop flailing around at people who are somewhat less active (there was a time and a place for that) and let's lynch scum

I guess if you've got shit rreads then yeah ok vote the stutts. But BE AWARE that you're policy lynching the guy. I sure as hell aint gonna be policy lynching him when big G and oat-dawg are on the field.

Hassy there's a slightly better case against him but tbh it's not on par with the gonzaw scum mindset thing or just everything oatsmaster has done today.

I'm reading this austinmcc case on you now iamp. I don't know if I can ever recall him being so aggressive/useful on something
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February 14 2013 22:09 GMT
#766
i guess i'm not saying hassy or stutts lynch is bad per se but at least be aware that it would be a policy lynch >:|
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February 14 2013 22:12 GMT
#772
yeah the sylencia lynch is also bad. you're all bad
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#774
On February 15 2013 07:12 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 15 2013 07:09 Blazinghand wrote:
i guess i'm not saying hassy or stutts lynch is bad per se but at least be aware that it would be a policy lynch >:|


I disagree, sir, and if you believe so, you have not been listening to the discourse very well.


I've read the arguments in favor of lynching hassy and I am simply not convinced. yes, he was active in Parallel mafia and weighed on on matters of policy, interacting with brodoosks like foolishness and so on, and this time he's been an inactive ass (filter) but that doesn't make him scum. It makes him an inactive ass. Vig him or pressure him after this lynch, but this is at BEST a meta lynch based entirely on activity level and not mindset, and at worst a policy lynch of a potentially useful player.

You're just wrong.
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February 14 2013 22:45 GMT
#796
The case on Iamp is okay, but it's out of character for austinmcc. I think it (and the follow up) tell us austinmcc is townish and iamp is scummish but it's not on par with the travesty that is Oats.

Okay so I'm like super sure Oats is scum now. Gonzaw has been sticking to his "I'm going to act like town Gonzaw" dealie but he's still up there. If he's scum he will slip up sooner or later.

Let me tell you about oatsmaster.

First there's the oatsmaster from NMMXXV. In this game, oats was town. This oatsmaster is aggressive, fearless, and likes to lather on the pressure. His first real case on anyone in that game comes relatively early after his entrance into the game, and it's big (link). He defends himself adroitly and directly (link) and follows up on his case (link) aggressively. He is so unafraid that people think he's actively intimidating town from contributing and he slaps them down (link). He plays fearlessly, recklessly, and over the top (link), and is shot N1 for his trouble. He asks a lot of questions in his posts but is mostly making forceful interrogative questions and statements.

Then there's the oatsmaster from TL Mafia LIX. In this game, oats was scum. This oats isn't aggressive D1, but it's a mayoral election so he gets a pass on that. Once the cases and votes start flying, though, check out how he's posting. He defends himself indirectly (link) posts weak attacks with no votes (link) and doesn't defend himself aggressively like he does when he's town (link) and his attacks are mostly questions without followup (link) or irrelevant (link) and when he votes, does so utterly without follow-up (link). Note that as both town and scum he swaps his vote a fair amount after voting, but as town he gets involved and responds to people's responses, but as scum he basically just plops down a case and is done since he's not as interested in trying to find the truth etc.

So we have a pretty good idea of what oatsmaster acts like as town and as scum, and it makes sense-- fearless, aggressive townie makes cases, follows them up, argues a lot, and fearful, sniveling scum is less direct, posts cases without follow-up, and is irrelevant a lot. This game, the first thing that oatsmaster said that had any meaning was that marv was town-ish, but even this he half-retracted (link). His interaction with Dandel is un-aggressive and more questioning than prodding (link) and as previously mentioned his reaction to my case is weak. When people made cases on oats as town, he quote carpet bombed them and called them out. He actually literally called mocsta a dictator for attacking him. His cases this game (link) (link) (link) have had no follow up and he basicallly hasn't been in the fray at all. The only post he's made this game that looks ;ike town oats is this one (link) where he lays some smackdown.

This isn't fearless town oats. This is sniveling scum oats.

and he should hang for it.

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February 14 2013 22:48 GMT
#799
guys guys guys read my case on oats
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#802
On February 15 2013 07:50 austinmcc wrote:
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On February 15 2013 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
guys guys guys read my case on oats

There have been more than just those two games, though. I don't think town oats in CT was as forceful, but I also didn't join until later.


his first case in CT (link)
he follows it up! (link) (link) (link) and so on

he cares

and he's aggressive after the party leader election
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#803
On February 15 2013 07:51 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 15 2013 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
guys guys guys read my case on oats

oats hasn't gone away from the spotlight that looks townie to me.

i reject your case


oats hasn't aggressively pushed ANY of his ideas which he ALWAYS does as town. his cases have no follow-up, he posts a vote or a random question then fades into the background, never to be see or heard from again

your rejection is bad
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#805
On February 15 2013 07:54 iamperfection wrote:
who cares if a guy is lurker by the way.

hasbaby
mr.cc(why we let him play i dont even want to fathom)

havent done shit
that is scum motivation. we dont know if we have vigs that can just shoot easily
i say kill them the only way we know for sure now.


no.
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#807
i categorically oppose a lurker policy lynch when there are scummy people to be lynched
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February 14 2013 22:56 GMT
#809
iamp I want you to seriously sit down with the three oats filters I linked, or at least the quotes I linked, and tell me this is town oats

you won't be able to do that because this isn't town oats
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#810
On February 15 2013 07:56 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 15 2013 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:
i categorically oppose a lurker policy lynch when there are scummy people to be lynched

but fucking lurking is scummy


your suggested policy lynches would chiefly serve to hurt town. we have scummy people to lynch for real reasons. You really want to toss the dice with lurkers when we could hunt scum? >:| come on man
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#811
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February 14 2013 23:00 GMT
#816
On February 15 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 15 2013 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
iamp I want you to seriously sit down with the three oats filters I linked, or at least the quotes I linked, and tell me this is town oats

you won't be able to do that because this isn't town oats

you cant just categorically say that.

Each of those games is a different beast.

CT has so much activity there was a ton of info to go off of ( this game not so much)
The other game was a newbie of course he is going to be more forceful he doesn't have vets or better players to listen to

in this game he has stuck his neck out and isnt trying to blend in he is town in this game.


wow you literally didn't read my case, did you.

you're actually just scum.

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#821
On February 15 2013 08:01 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
iamp I want you to seriously sit down with the three oats filters I linked, or at least the quotes I linked, and tell me this is town oats

you won't be able to do that because this isn't town oats

you cant just categorically say that.

Each of those games is a different beast.

CT has so much activity there was a ton of info to go off of ( this game not so much)
The other game was a newbie of course he is going to be more forceful he doesn't have vets or better players to listen to

in this game he has stuck his neck out and isnt trying to blend in he is town in this game.


wow you literally didn't read my case, did you.

you're actually just scum.

##unvote
##vote iamperfection

whatever dude your delusional

tell me why you think im scum


you didn't read my case and you're acting like you read it
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#822
On February 15 2013 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:01 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
iamp I want you to seriously sit down with the three oats filters I linked, or at least the quotes I linked, and tell me this is town oats

you won't be able to do that because this isn't town oats

you cant just categorically say that.

Each of those games is a different beast.

CT has so much activity there was a ton of info to go off of ( this game not so much)
The other game was a newbie of course he is going to be more forceful he doesn't have vets or better players to listen to

in this game he has stuck his neck out and isnt trying to blend in he is town in this game.


wow you literally didn't read my case, did you.

you're actually just scum.

##unvote
##vote iamperfection

whatever dude your delusional

tell me why you think im scum


you didn't read my case and you're acting like you read it


also you want a bad policy lynch
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#829
On February 15 2013 08:04 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:01 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
iamp I want you to seriously sit down with the three oats filters I linked, or at least the quotes I linked, and tell me this is town oats

you won't be able to do that because this isn't town oats

you cant just categorically say that.

Each of those games is a different beast.

CT has so much activity there was a ton of info to go off of ( this game not so much)
The other game was a newbie of course he is going to be more forceful he doesn't have vets or better players to listen to

in this game he has stuck his neck out and isnt trying to blend in he is town in this game.


wow you literally didn't read my case, did you.

you're actually just scum.

##unvote
##vote iamperfection

whatever dude your delusional

tell me why you think im scum


you didn't read my case and you're acting like you read it

i did read i don't agree with it


no that's fine you're just didn't know what games i referenced in the case and you only addressed the town meta and not the scum meta (which if you had read you'd know he's playing JUST like) so yeah you're scum
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#832
In any case, iamp, here's what's gonna happen. you're going to get lynched and flip scum, then, we're gonna lynch oatsmaster. there's nothing you can do to stop it. nice playing with you.
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#834
I would be okay lynching oats first and iamp first if we can't get the votes for iamp today btw
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#835
EBWOP: oats first and iamp second
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#839
On February 15 2013 08:10 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:08 Blazinghand wrote:
EBWOP: oats first and iamp second

no come on lynch me i want to see your face to see how far you have fallen as a player

you didnt explain at all how im scum.

Considering i have no problem bussing as your association is retarded
you didnt show how any of my actions match my meta for scum or town
you just got pissed off i didn't agree with you






got any last words? zZz
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#841
On February 15 2013 08:12 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:09 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:03 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:02 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:00 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:
i categorically oppose a lurker policy lynch when there are scummy people to be lynched

but fucking lurking is scummy

So, since scum are the only people that ever lurk, then the scumteam must be Hassy/Sylencia/MrCC/Stutters! Thank you for solving the game! [/sarcasm]

stfu

No. Your entire premise is dumb, because it can be categorically proven than townies lurk from time to time, for whatever reason. Yes, lurking is bad. Yes, lurking hurts town. Yes, it is frustrating to play with people who never post. But no, lurking does not make someone scum. And there are valid reasons to actually think other people ARE scum.

show me where the fuck i said every fucking lurker is scum

Lurking is literally the only reason you've given for wanting to lynch Hassy. So why Hassy, and not CC? Or Sylencia? Or Stutters? If lurking is scummy for one, then it should be scummy for all. Why are you picking him out of the crowd? Context says that if lurking is enough to condemn Hassy as scum, it should be enough to condemn them all.

cause we can only lynch one at a time

also i value marvs opinion above anyone

also why the fuck are you talking in extremes i obviously dont think every fucking lurker is scum they can be and along with marvs opinion i will go with hasy


"it's not my fault, it's marv's fault! don't lynch me for playing like scum plz"
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#843
On February 15 2013 08:13 iamperfection wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:10 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:08 Blazinghand wrote:
EBWOP: oats first and iamp second

no come on lynch me i want to see your face to see how far you have fallen as a player

you didnt explain at all how im scum.

Considering i have no problem bussing as your association is retarded
you didnt show how any of my actions match my meta for scum or town
you just got pissed off i didn't agree with you






got any last words? zZz

you realize im going to be here all the way up to the lynch.

justice cant be silenced.
why are you ignoring my posts do they have no meaning to you?


I think everyone knows what your so-called "posts" mean
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#845
On February 15 2013 08:14 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:12 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:12 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:09 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:03 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:02 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:00 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:59 Keirathi wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:56 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:
i categorically oppose a lurker policy lynch when there are scummy people to be lynched

but fucking lurking is scummy

So, since scum are the only people that ever lurk, then the scumteam must be Hassy/Sylencia/MrCC/Stutters! Thank you for solving the game! [/sarcasm]

stfu

No. Your entire premise is dumb, because it can be categorically proven than townies lurk from time to time, for whatever reason. Yes, lurking is bad. Yes, lurking hurts town. Yes, it is frustrating to play with people who never post. But no, lurking does not make someone scum. And there are valid reasons to actually think other people ARE scum.

show me where the fuck i said every fucking lurker is scum

Lurking is literally the only reason you've given for wanting to lynch Hassy. So why Hassy, and not CC? Or Sylencia? Or Stutters? If lurking is scummy for one, then it should be scummy for all. Why are you picking him out of the crowd? Context says that if lurking is enough to condemn Hassy as scum, it should be enough to condemn them all.

cause we can only lynch one at a time

also i value marvs opinion above anyone

also why the fuck are you talking in extremes i obviously dont think every fucking lurker is scum they can be and along with marvs opinion i will go with hasy


"it's not my fault, it's marv's fault! don't lynch me for playing like scum plz"

go fuck yourself

explain how im scum you haven't done it


you're literally pushing scum objectives
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#847
like really, a policy lynch? come on dude we've got so many scummy people to lynch and you want to policy?
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#851
the issue here iamperfection is that many players in this game have found legit cases to make. I don't think the case on hassybaby is a legit meta case (like say my case on oats) because you're not addressing his mindset of his pattern of play as scum. you're just saying "look, he's posting less, he must be scum" and this is not a legitimate way to play. This is a policy lynch in a room filled with scummy players. We should be hunting scum, not policy lynching. Your refusal to actually read my case only further reinforces my suspicions that you are working against the town
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#853
see like my boy austinmcc actually read the case and disagrees with me for a meaningful reason. he's wrong, but not scum.
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#857
I will admit that Oats isn't PERFECTLY playing to his scum meta. there have been inklings of prods and responses to prods that weren't as present in his scum game. The fact that he's so divergent from his town play in the direction of his scum play (plus his scummy entrance into the game) to me still indicate he is in fact scummy. I'll also allow for the fact that his scum play may have improved by a small amount since he last played scum. That being said I think currently iamp should be our priority target. I'm willing to lynch oats if we can't get a majority on iamp, though.
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#858
On February 15 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:16 Blazinghand wrote:
the issue here iamperfection is that many players in this game have found legit cases to make. I don't think the case on hassybaby is a legit meta case (like say my case on oats) because you're not addressing his mindset of his pattern of play as scum. you're just saying "look, he's posting less, he must be scum" and this is not a legitimate way to play. This is a policy lynch in a room filled with scummy players. We should be hunting scum, not policy lynching. Your refusal to actually read my case only further reinforces my suspicions that you are working against the town


I have quite clearly pointed out, my esteemed sir, that the little contribution that Hassybaby did make looks like a sham, a farce, a pretence. His apparent enquiry into Mr D Ion's alignment was empty and not followed through. As I have indeed mentioned before, it is the appearance of caring but in a manner that does not demonstrate as such.


it may be a moot point shortly
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February 14 2013 23:24 GMT
#861
I'd like a gonzaw lynch much better than a hassy lynch. That being said I'd really prefer an oats or optimally an iamp lynch
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February 14 2013 23:25 GMT
#862
##unvote
##vote stutters695


NO NINJAING

GET HIM NOW
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#863
On February 15 2013 08:24 Stutters695 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: imperfections


what is this
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#869
On February 15 2013 08:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
It sucks major dick, but stutters does this as town too. See: MTG mafia.

That said, jumping back onto him looks tempting.


>:|
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#872
On February 15 2013 08:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
It sucks major dick, but stutters does this as town too. See: MTG mafia.

That said, jumping back onto him looks tempting.


>:|

If he explains within the next 10 minutes, it's k.

If he doesn't let's lynch him, k?


This is entirely reasonable.
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#876
On February 15 2013 08:34 iamperfection wrote:
its a bad idea because it is so stupid therefore stutters is more likely to do that as town.

as scum he would worry more about pulling a stunt like that


as town he'd want to push a case or like interact with the thread in a meaningful way
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#882
On February 15 2013 08:34 austinmcc wrote:
Mainly because I don't care about the ninjavote, tbh. You yourself noted that he has ninja voted as town.

AMG HERE IS A THING THAT WE PERCEIVE AS SCUMMY BUT ALSO HE HAS DONE THIS AS TOWN. LET'S LYNCH HIM UNLESS HE EXPLAINS.

When just a little while before, you said
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I also don't actually wanna lynch stutters. Just wanted to pressure him into posting.


That makes me think that you don't find stutters scummy. You don't want to lynch him, just wanted him to post. Yet, despite not finding him scummy, you want to move BACK to him because of something you know he has done as town? Does not compute.

Like, you say you want to go "back" to him. But if your reasons before were "wanted to pressure him into posting," you SHOULDN'T want to go back, because it's lynch time. We need to lynch SCUM. Not lynch someone to try and get them to post. The same reason you say you voted for him previously no longer applies, so going "back" is silliness.


Hm I'll admit it's possible I'm making an overreaction here as town. if he has indeed done this as town, then perhaps he's just terrible and does scum-motivated things as town. These last minute voteswings have a tendency to cause bad things to happen, so I'm willing to move back to one of my top suspects. I don't like stutters at all though. I don't like that he mysteriously voted the guy i was voting for, breaking the tie, without commenting. I don't like it one bit. It makes me suspicious that he's scum and iamp is town (yes blah blah associative tells unflipped players etc) but now I'd rather lynch oats who is more of a sure thing than imap
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February 14 2013 23:38 GMT
#883
basically: Stutters, you are literally the worst person that this isn't a scumtell for you. It also makes me question my iamp case if someone like you was trying to subtly tip the scales and get him lynched.

a thousand curses upon your house.

##unvote
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#884
also why is everyone trying to lynch hassybaby you guys are all terrible
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#897
On February 15 2013 08:40 Sylencia wrote:
In any case, Blazinghand's case on Oatsmaster is more compelling to me that a lot of others, so I'll be sheeping with him on this one.

##unvote
##vote: Oatsmaster


I appreciate the support, but for your own sake you should give your thought process and reads out now, before the flip. It's important to other people forming reads on you
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#909
On February 15 2013 08:47 gonzaw wrote:
##Vote: Hassy

Even if Hassy is a coinflip at this point, I think it's a better lynch than Oats.
I'm not that convinced about the stuff said about Oats


>:| hassy isn't a coinflip, he's a "roll a d6 and hope it comes up 6" flip because he's getting replaced. Come on man oats is scum
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#912
Everyone who wants a no-lynch, keep on voting for your wagons, but anyone who wants to actually lynch scum vote oats
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#916
I understand some of you aren't the most pleased with the oats lynch but the flip shall vindicate my convictions
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#918
look if you sit around complaining that there aren't enough people to vote oats then we definitely won't get a majority. at least TRY
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#920
On February 15 2013 08:53 kitaman27 wrote:
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On February 15 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:45 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:40 austinmcc wrote:
kita, why leave the sylencia/kurumi stuff out of your read?


I didn't really come to any conclusions from it, other than the fact that sylencia found it important to respond to a player that was voting for him. Did you get something out of the exchange?

I find it odd that you seem focused on sylencia as a scumread, but didn't mention or draw anything from what has been the only sylencia-centric exchange in the thread, imo.

Especially given that, if we can trust kurumi, there's some way in which they can check each other, meaning that sylencia may be a bad lynch at this time because we'll be certain/certainish about his alignment later.


I only noticed the Barrack Obama claim. I didn't catch kurumi's later post about the alignment confirming, though I'm still not quite sure I understand what he's saying.

Swapping to oats as he is my secondary preference and I want a lynch this cycle.


"this cycle" = the next 5 minutes fyi
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#930
I think we need 1 more
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#935
On February 15 2013 08:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So...oats? Ok

vote oats
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#937
hurry
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#944
thank you all for your support. to the doubters: you're all authorized to apologize sincerely once oats flip scum, and say "Blazinghand is literally the best"
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#947
On February 15 2013 08:57 iamperfection wrote:
i see only 7 and you wont have my support


ARE YOU SERIOUS
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#950
come ON, iamp. we can't no-lynch today are you THAT SURE he's town that you'll let a no lycnh happen
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#952
everyone quickly make sure you're actually voting oats
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#956
On February 15 2013 09:01 iamperfection wrote:
oh you did have enough i cant count

it's the thought that counts, and you really preferred a no-lynch to an oats lynch... the flip will show your colours
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#1887
On February 20 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
GG.
I still hate you BH.


LOL
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#1919
On February 20 2013 03:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw I dunno how this went from 20 - 5, to 13 - 4, but that sure didn't help.

Add to that that town only had bad players.


well there was also me!
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#1921
On February 20 2013 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 20 2013 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 20 2013 03:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw I dunno how this went from 20 - 5, to 13 - 4, but that sure didn't help.

Add to that that town only had bad players.


well there was also me!


it was a massive stroke of luck that the day 1 lynch killed you. made all the difference. pretty much where the game diverged from a town win to a mafia win, I think.


I'm not sure I'd have been able to catch crossfire very easily since he was 1-shot lynchproof. I may have mislynched stutters also since he was playing like turd (though I won't make this mistake in the future, seeing how he played this game). If Oats didn't have the hipster vengeful trait and we went into D2 at 7-4 with me alive instead of 6-4 it still wouldn't have been an easy game for town.
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#1923
On February 20 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 20 2013 09:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 20 2013 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
On February 20 2013 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 20 2013 03:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw I dunno how this went from 20 - 5, to 13 - 4, but that sure didn't help.

Add to that that town only had bad players.


well there was also me!


it was a massive stroke of luck that the day 1 lynch killed you. made all the difference. pretty much where the game diverged from a town win to a mafia win, I think.


I'm not sure I'd have been able to catch crossfire very easily since he was 1-shot lynchproof. I may have mislynched stutters also since he was playing like turd (though I won't make this mistake in the future, seeing how he played this game). If Oats didn't have the hipster vengeful trait and we went into D2 at 7-4 with me alive instead of 6-4 it still wouldn't have been an easy game for town.


no, but for example, you'd have relentlessly pushed gonzaw day 2, and with kitaman outing himself with the daypost, you'd also have made sure he get lynched.

You were vet so hard to kill... I can't believe you wouldn't have gotten one of gonzaw or kitaman lynched day 2.


yeah i definitely had a man verson of a lady-boner for lynching gonzaw.
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#1927
so how cool was crossfire's role? pretty cool right
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#1929
On February 26 2013 00:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
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On February 25 2013 15:44 Blazinghand wrote:
so how cool was crossfire's role? pretty cool right

It was cool except for the part where I was perpetually framed and incriminated, though it would have been a handy excuse if I was ever tracked to one of the kills...I would have been more pissed off about that had I been town lol

yeah but as a townie you're a roleblocker and either a day vig or lynchproof, and if you day vig you steal the guy's role for a night. how sweet is that?! and you can just claim being a supermiller
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February 26 2013 04:28 GMT
#1933
On February 26 2013 12:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
aside from all the townies killing themselves off without mafia interference (save kita choosing kill), cross' role was a little OP given that he was mafia. I sincerely doubt town would have recovered either way, but it was a big nail in the coffin. Dandel going overboard, while hilarious, didn't help


but as mafia he returns guilty to like EVERYTHING so in theory he will want to blow his ult on a kiss rather than being lynchproof. but yeah lynchproof is a really strong thing.
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