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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2013 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote: I am basing them/it off his posting.
So does me giving BH a town read alignment indicative?
given how youve phrased it yes... u scum
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2013 12:47 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:On February 13 2013 12:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 13 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote: Nice try moving goalposts mr oats
unless you have something more to say I think my case stands for itself I don't really...see a case? His reasoning isn't necessarily bad, it just differs from yours. Look, think about your thought process as a townie when you evaluated the three options. You probably rejected the Secret Ballot out of hand barring some weird circumstances because it takes information away from town, then you thought about Mayoral and Instant Majority. Thinking about the strengths and drawbacks of both, you'd note that Mayoral elections produce a different kind of discussion than lynch votes (not necessarily better or worse) and the actual vote itself tends to be about who says they'll use the lynch on whom and who you have a town-read on. Instant Majority sounds dangerous but actually buts the scum under a lot of pressure assuming nobody gets dumb and jumps the gun on the hammer. But what you don't think about, and I'm certain nobody town aligned thinks about as a main reason not to use mayoral, is the possibility of making a scum player mayor. It's a risk of mayoral, but it's not the reason you wouldn't run it-- after all, if what the mayor does is pick who gets lynched, picking a scum player to be mayor isn't a huge risk. We're not giving powers to the scumteam, and in fact, having a scum under that spotlight could be very helpful to town. From a townie perspective, which any townie will have, you probably want instant majority because it's simple and lets you lynch someone. You want your vote to do something and you want to put pressure on the scum. You don't reject mayoral because a scum might get elected-- this might actually be the best outcome short of a townie get elected and lynching scum. You reject mayoral because instant majority is better and gives you more power to hunt scum. Oats came into this giving reasoning that comes from a mindset not of townie scumhunting, but of scum shirking responsibility and blending in, and thinking fearfully. I thought this was pretty obvious, guys While I see where you are coming from, I did actually think about electing scum as a mayor being a big downside to Mayoral vs Instant. For one, it is immensely difficult to tell the difference between a town mayor lynching another townie, and a scum mayor lynching a townie. And for two, its much harder to hold people accountable for their votes in an 'everything-goes-wrong' mayoral election. Mayoral elections tend to turn into "Follow the vet" more than "elect the towniest person in the game".
Even this thought process I consider distinct from oatsmaster's thoughts. See you don't just stop at "what if scum is elected", you immediately think about distinguishing town mayors lynching townies and scum mayors from lynching townies. You worry about a weakened discourse from the mayoral election and give specifics, and by the very action of doing so heighten the discourse of a potential mayoral election and pressure scum. This is not the thought process of a hasty unskilled scum player. Contrast what you've posted here with what Oatsmaster posted:
On February 13 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Well, I dont think mayor is necessarily good because its not worth the risk IMO. If we vote in scum, We will defiantly not get a scum lynch tomorrow, and also, it basically kills discussion.
What we don't see is any attempt to analyze, lay the groundwork for analysis, or even press for instant majority lynch. He's basically saying stuff similar to what you're saying, but he's saying it from a defensive, hidden, scummy mindset. It's key to realize that Oatsmaster and I are in agreement about which lynch system would be best for D2, but the way he's voiced his concerns has been scummy. Of COURSE the thought of a scum mayor occurs to you, and even if from your personal experience it's bad, it only takes a casual comparison between your post and oatsmaster's post to see that oatsmaster is scummy scum.
It's also important to note that Oatsmaster's initial response to my pressure was to discredit me-- say I'm "trolling" or have "confirmation bias", rather than convince me or defend himself adequately, and only after it appeared that others were listening did he decide his best defense was to call me town with no reasoning then disappear from the thread. Admittedly, it is possible that he's a confused townie, but his immediate reactions (discrediting with a gradual transition into panicked buddying) confirm his scum alignment in my eyes. Pending further information, I say we should all vote to lynch him.
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Blazinghand
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Oatsmaster, most people who have played with me extensively are aware I'm very active and aggressive as both scum and town, and am highly prone to shenanigans as any alignment. I won't comment as to my own guilt. Experience tells me I will do too good a job of prosecuting myself, and convince you that I am guilty - or else you will decide that my prosecution was too half-hearted, and that I am scum. I will remark only this in my defense - that I have never been mislynched as town, and get lynched all the time as scum.
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Blazinghand
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actually, I got mislynched in storm mafia when I replaced in! I think that was the only time though.
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2013 13:46 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 13:43 Blazinghand wrote: Oatsmaster, most people who have played with me extensively are aware I'm very active and aggressive as both scum and town, and am highly prone to shenanigans as any alignment. I won't comment as to my own guilt. Experience tells me I will do too good a job of prosecuting myself, and convince you that I am guilty - or else you will decide that my prosecution was too half-hearted, and that I am scum. I will remark only this in my defense - that I have never been mislynched as town, and get lynched all the time as scum. What are you even defending yourself from? He's done nothing but call you townie :o huehuehuehuehue
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Blazinghand
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I'm not your role-maker but i bet he'd be happy if you targeted me
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Blazinghand
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i hope your ability gives candy
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2013 21:18 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah but Scum Marv tries to win, like he would try to look really townie and probably succeed. Lurky marv probably has IRL issues. But yeah, I dont really think he is scum at this point. I will rethink this read at lylo probably.
you are literally bad
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2013 05:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 14 2013 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 14 2013 01:07 Keirathi wrote:On February 14 2013 01:00 Hassybaby wrote:Good afternoon gentlemen, I hope you're all well I've been reading everything while at my internship, and this comment caught my eye: On February 14 2013 00:06 Dandel Ion wrote: And no, the first job of a townie is to establish his own innocence. As you should know. Justify this, because that's the last thing that a townie should be worried about imo I agree with Dandel. Having amazing reads is good and all, but the reality is that most of us mere mortals are wrong as often (and sometimes even MORE often) than we are right. Proving that you are town is way more beneficial to town as a whole than any individual day's reads. And see, to me, that's a bit odd. Dandelion expresses how important it is that townies establish town cred (which I personally somewhat disagree that that's not necessarily #1, but that's a whole different discussion) and yet he has done nothing at all in my mind to try to establish his own townieness. If anything, his behavior thus far has led me the other way. I did not say I did. Has anybody filled your personal little criteria of "establishing townieness" yet? Cuz I don't think so. Not at all. Some people are appearing townier in my mind, but as far as I'm concerned, you're all scum until the day I die. I just find it interesting that for someone who is parading around the fact that town members should try to establish townieness first and foremost, you sure ain't doing any of that. Do as I say, not as I do, I suppose... Also, I would like to point out that since Blazinhand challenged me and I voted him, and Dandelion picked up the assault on Oats, BH has all but fallen off the face of the planet.
man a guy sleeps for like 7-8 hours and he's off the face of the planet
I will not dignify your poop-vote on me with a response
I don't like how oats has been playing overnight. He is trying too hard to sound eager and "contribute" by asking a lot of pointless questions. he's still scum.
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Blazinghand
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also yeah gonzaw what's your deal are you scum or what
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Blazinghand
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he gets a chance to respond before we lynch him
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Blazinghand
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I'm getting bored so he gets 12 minutes
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Blazinghand
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TIMES UP
##unvote ##vote gonzaw
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Blazinghand
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just to be clear: gonzaw is being profoundly useless acting like scum weird posts doesn't make sense blah blah you get the point
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Blazinghand
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that's my special secret role power: mind control to make people weirder
all that ALLCAPS business was me as well
jk
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2013 06:29 Crossfire99 wrote: Blazing, do you think gonzaw is scummier than oats?
at this moment yes. if oats was scummier i'd have my vote on him. there's no possible town reason gonzaw would act like he's acting
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2013 06:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 06:40 Crossfire99 wrote:On February 14 2013 06:38 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 14 2013 06:20 austinmcc wrote:On February 14 2013 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: just to be clear: gonzaw is being profoundly useless acting like scum weird posts doesn't make sense blah blah you get the point You keep inducing people to make weird comments. Oats before, now DI saying he'd sheep your vote without providing ANY explanation himself or waiting to see what your explanation was. I thought perhaps he had a voting restriction and couldn't be the first voter on someone, but he started off voting Crossfire99, so he seems able to drop the first vote. zzz, I called gonzo out for the exact same stuff 6 hours ago already. DO YOU THINK HE HAS REAL LIFE ISSUES!? OH JUST LIKE YOU OR DO YOU LURK BY CHOICE THIS GAME?
there's no such thing as real life issues
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Blazinghand
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Gonzaw not being very direct. But this most recent posting is town gonzaw, as opposed to scum gonzaw. I'm amenable to an oats lynch instead of a gonzaw lynch.
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2013 09:25 gonzaw wrote: You still think Oats will flip scum? What do you say about all the stuff everybody said "in favor" of Oats?
nobody in this game knows what they're talking about except me and anyone who I previously mentioned to know what they're talking about
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2013 09:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: Gonzaw not being very direct. But this most recent posting is town gonzaw, as opposed to scum gonzaw. I'm amenable to an oats lynch instead of a gonzaw lynch. Would you care elaborate on the specifics ? Also oats is terrible Lynch he clearly has an interest in who gets lynched Why are you pursuing this so strongly?
nope nope and nope
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