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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 06 2013 07:43 GMT
#14
/confirm

There will probably be periods where I am inactive for slightly longer than 24 hours. This won't impact the amount of effort that I put into this game - only how often I can post. I will not be modkilled.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 06 2013 18:10 GMT
#33
On February 07 2013 02:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Can I in yet?
if so /in i wont be modkilled


Read this:

On March 04 2010 15:36 flamewheel wrote:

If you are not semi-permanently banned, you must sit out a number of games equal to your Banned Game Count. You may sit out any game which is hosted on this forum unless the host of that game says otherwise (which usually happens in games which are over very quickly). Not playing in a game is not the same as sitting it out.

To sit out a game, you must do these two things during the signups of that game (assuming you are not currently sitting out a different game and the game in which you were banned has finished):
1. PM the host of the game you are sitting out saying you are sitting out that game.
2. Post here that you are sitting out that game.
If you cannot point me to a post or PM clearly stating "I am sitting out XYZ Mafia," you are not sitting out that game.

I will note that you are sitting out that game once it starts. At the end of that game, your Banned Game Count will be reduced by 1 and you will be removed if if is 0. You cannot sit out two games which run concurrently. Your name will be added to the "People taken off the list" category so I can keep track of you in case you are banned again in the future. You cannot play in other games which follow the Ban List until the last game in which you are sitting out has finished.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 12 2013 20:27 GMT
#103
Are third parties possible?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 12 2013 20:46 GMT
#105
No party post-game. Thats hangover time where everyone complains about bad play and host errors.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 14 2013 00:28 GMT
#132
On February 14 2013 08:46 WeWinMafia wrote:
Oh if that's how we lynch I'd like to toss in a

##vote Vivax

but sady it's not how we lynch
##unvote


oh god I know who you are -_-
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 14 2013 00:35 GMT
#134
nah, I'll keep his secret for now.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 14 2013 17:25 GMT
#285
##Vote yamato77

he scum. I'll explain later.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 14 2013 21:56 GMT
#347
Im on my phone so youll have to pretend that I quoted.

The reason why I think yamato is mafia is very simple. Early on in the game yamato asked two questions about matt and syllo's opening posts. Both of them appear very strange in that they seem to be advancing the idea that the person is mafia without actually saying it outright. They do not appear genuine to me at all.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 14 2013 22:04 GMT
#351
On February 15 2013 07:01 WeWinMafia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 06:55 layabout wrote:
WeWinMafia(Toad) why did you miss out ObviuosOne, HiroPro and Mattchew?

The people I mentioned should have no problem sharing some of their thoughts. I don't know if that's true for the 3 you just mentioned.


Thats mean i might kill you for fun again.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 14 2013 22:51 GMT
#371
I'm being persecuted by 2 hypocrites It won't be long before Mr Kaplan shows up too

Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 14 2013 23:11 GMT
#378
grush is the towniest person in this game. He can do whatever he likes.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 02:39 GMT
#398
If someone wants to talk about something, I'll be around for some time. And I'll actually try to play seriously.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 03:36 GMT
#400
Because I don't feel that Toad is someone who can really be figured out using meta and I didn't have any way of proving that it was him so I thought it would just be a distraction. Also, it would be kind of a dick move for me to out him when he hadn't even gotten a chance to do anything.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 04:19 GMT
#402
Just saying that I think it's Toad doesn't actually help that at all as I can't actually prove it's him and someone else would have probably disagreed with me and then that would have been all we talked about.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 16:20 GMT
#510
On February 15 2013 14:06 Coagulation wrote:
that would make sense if you hadnt of made it a point to notify the thread you know who he is.

w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town.


I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 16:31 GMT
#520
On February 16 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:20 HiroPro wrote:
On February 15 2013 14:06 Coagulation wrote:
that would make sense if you hadnt of made it a point to notify the thread you know who he is.

w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town.


I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia.


I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him.


Right but LVIII is more recent and the opening situation is much more similar to this game in my opinion. Do you not feel the same way?

Like the beginning of Mario from what I see is just very casual in general. It seems natural that he would post in a more casual manner there.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 16:36 GMT
#523
On February 16 2013 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:31 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:20 HiroPro wrote:
On February 15 2013 14:06 Coagulation wrote:
that would make sense if you hadnt of made it a point to notify the thread you know who he is.

w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town.


I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia.


I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him.


Right but LVIII is more recent and the opening situation is much more similar to this game in my opinion. Do you not feel the same way?

Like the beginning of Mario from what I see is just very casual in general. It seems natural that he would post in a more casual manner there.


This:

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets...

I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking.

I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.

@wbg voters: dafuq?


is quite different to this:

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yeah so he didn't RNG shit. Scummy as fuck much?



On January 03 2013 07:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
really kush? he calls you a troll so you ninja omgus lazer?


HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 16:45 GMT
#528
On February 16 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:36 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:31 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:20 HiroPro wrote:
On February 15 2013 14:06 Coagulation wrote:
that would make sense if you hadnt of made it a point to notify the thread you know who he is.

w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town.


I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia.


I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him.


Right but LVIII is more recent and the opening situation is much more similar to this game in my opinion. Do you not feel the same way?

Like the beginning of Mario from what I see is just very casual in general. It seems natural that he would post in a more casual manner there.


This:

On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets...

I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking.

I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.

@wbg voters: dafuq?


is quite different to this:

On February 14 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yeah so he didn't RNG shit. Scummy as fuck much?



On January 03 2013 07:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
really kush? he calls you a troll so you ninja omgus lazer?




right, both those quotes are disbelief, wtf moments. Here he is specifically calling it "scummy as shit", in LVIII he quite clearly did not.


I don't know - I don't actually agree lol. Like maybe I'm just looking at the overall feel more rather than specific phrasing or such, but the general style he has just seems more similar.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 17:09 GMT
#531
On February 16 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:45 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:36 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:31 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:20 HiroPro wrote:
On February 15 2013 14:06 Coagulation wrote:
that would make sense if you hadnt of made it a point to notify the thread you know who he is.

w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town.


I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia.


I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him.


Right but LVIII is more recent and the opening situation is much more similar to this game in my opinion. Do you not feel the same way?

Like the beginning of Mario from what I see is just very casual in general. It seems natural that he would post in a more casual manner there.


This:

On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets...

I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking.

I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.

@wbg voters: dafuq?


is quite different to this:

On February 14 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yeah so he didn't RNG shit. Scummy as fuck much?



On January 03 2013 07:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
really kush? he calls you a troll so you ninja omgus lazer?




right, both those quotes are disbelief, wtf moments. Here he is specifically calling it "scummy as shit", in LVIII he quite clearly did not.


I don't know - I don't actually agree lol. Like maybe I'm just looking at the overall feel more rather than specific phrasing or such, but the general style he has just seems more similar.


The overall feel is as I described in my case. He's looser and more carefree as town, and more constructed as mafia.


meh. maybe you are right. I don't know, I think I've wanted to lynch hopeless every game I've played with him and he always seems to be a big lynch/vig candidate in every game that I've seen him play, so maybe I'm just wary because of that.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 17:26 GMT
#535
On February 16 2013 02:12 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 02:09 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:45 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:36 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:31 HiroPro wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:20 HiroPro wrote:
[quote]
w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town.


I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia.


I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him.


Right but LVIII is more recent and the opening situation is much more similar to this game in my opinion. Do you not feel the same way?

Like the beginning of Mario from what I see is just very casual in general. It seems natural that he would post in a more casual manner there.


This:

On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets...

I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking.

I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.

@wbg voters: dafuq?


is quite different to this:

On February 14 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yeah so he didn't RNG shit. Scummy as fuck much?



On January 03 2013 07:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
really kush? he calls you a troll so you ninja omgus lazer?




right, both those quotes are disbelief, wtf moments. Here he is specifically calling it "scummy as shit", in LVIII he quite clearly did not.


I don't know - I don't actually agree lol. Like maybe I'm just looking at the overall feel more rather than specific phrasing or such, but the general style he has just seems more similar.


The overall feel is as I described in my case. He's looser and more carefree as town, and more constructed as mafia.


meh. maybe you are right. I don't know, I think I've wanted to lynch hopeless every game I've played with him and he always seems to be a big lynch/vig candidate in every game that I've seen him play, so maybe I'm just wary because of that.


ya. i mean, i'm not all guns blazing that he's mafia, but i think there's a pretty good chance of it. what you said here reminds me of austin's argument to me on Day 1 of LIX when I wanted to lynch prplhz - "i always find him scummy, he always seems to be a lynch target". Of course, but these guys roll mafia as well ^^

Talk to me about yamato, then. What about his questions did you find unnatural?


They didn't seem like questions that have actual answers to me, or at least answers that he would want to know or hear - like he asked matt "While he's often pro-town as mafia or scum, wouldn't you not want to let yourself be influenced by marv's opinions on the alignments of players if he is mafia?". Like his thought process there doesn't seem real to me - if marv is often pro-town even as scum, why is mattchew's choice so bad if he really can't distinguish properly? It seemed more like he was trying to subtly suggest that matt knew alignments. The thing about sandroba seems fake because I'm pretty sure that they've played together and everyone in every single game always goes "sandroba so easy to read"

Then the question about syllo talking to sandroba seemed really strange because first - why is he asking risk.nuke a question on syllo's thought process and that phrase " if he's town?" at the end just rubs me the wrong way. Also his reaction right after seemed unnaturally angry.

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 19:26 GMT
#594
layabout, what is your opinion on marvellosity?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 19:31 GMT
#598
On February 16 2013 04:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm not comfortable lynching yamato. This bandwagon seems to go way too easily with not enough reasoning.


We have 3 votes total on yamato, which is as many as super has picked up in like the last 5 hours and yamato's wagon is the one that is going too fast for you?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 20:50 GMT
#641
I'll vote for Toad over super if we can't get a majority on yamato.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 20:53 GMT
#642
Also I get a very bad feeling from marv's posting. There's nothing specific that I can point to but I get the sense that he is willing to push almost any of the wagons. It feels a lot like he just adds fuel to the fire whenever something pops up. The only person who he hasn't really done that with is yamato.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 20:55 GMT
#646
And in between you seemed perfectly willing to push supersoft.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:01 GMT
#649
I seem to recall you saying that as mafia, you like to push as many mislynches as you can before you go down.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:04 GMT
#652
how is that irrelevant? It looks like what you are doing in this game.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:26 GMT
#675
On February 16 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
i still don't get why people don't give a shit that Vivax isn't here pushing stuff, when normally he screams like a maniac as town.

i don't get it at all.


meh, this is actually true.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:27 GMT
#676
but yamato is the same is he not?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:27 GMT
#678
is it just because people are ignoring vivax while going after yamato?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:46 GMT
#698
On February 16 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax


join me guys. we can do this. and i'm right.


Can you sum up for me why you think he's mafia (like not related to meta).
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 21:58 GMT
#714
Can you show me an example from the game I hosted marvel? Vivax is right when he says that LIX was completely different - you were in complete control of that game and had a bloc that just backed up everything you did.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 22:20 GMT
#723
I think we should stick with yamato. But I'll back something else if you guys try to lynch super.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 23:10 GMT
#831
Someone should shoot obviousone tonight. It seems very strange that he screws around for most of the day and then comes back to vote super on nothing.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 23:24 GMT
#853
Btw, everyone should note that Artanis was not the majority voter on yamato - he came afterwards. Additionally, he was a person who constantly defended yamato by attempting to frame the case on him as being about lurking instead the extremely strange behavior in the beginning (which Artanis also attempted to explain away) and by complaining about the wagon being fast. The most suspicious part about the wagon thing is where he says the yamato wagon is too fast while ignoring the super wagon which was actually bigger and faster-developing.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 23:28 GMT
#857
If I were mafia, I would have a pre-written post to claim credit for a lynch when it actually didn't do anything. I don't think it's unlikely that Artanis would do that. Also, TL towns are generally scared of no-lynches beyond belief, so a lot of blame gets thrown on people who "cause a no-lynch" even if they otherwise did nothing suspicious.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 23:31 GMT
#861
grush feels very genuine to me. I don't think he is a good lynch right now. Also he is a guy who tends to run around and try to create all sorts of last-minute wagons if he doesn't agree with the lynch. I don't think that is a sign of him being mafia - he is capable of doing that as either alignment I believe.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 23:47 GMT
#882
I think these people are good vig candidates: obviousone, coag.

Then we have vivax, marv, artanis - these are the people that I think need to be looked at closely by everyone.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 23:48 GMT
#883
hopeless too i guess.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 15 2013 23:53 GMT
#888
marvel, I would like to see an actual full-fledged case by you on Vivax before daytime. I do think he is very suspicious but I do not really have the time to go through his games and I find it very difficult to tell if he is genuine or not since I don't really have a good grasp of the way he thinks. during the action res period if you can would be good.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 16 2013 00:34 GMT
#903
rofl, I didn't even remember Mattchew was in this game.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 16 2013 22:06 GMT
#1043
why would you not shoot Coag -_-
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 16 2013 22:16 GMT
#1060
hopeless, I'd like to hear something from you on who you think is mafia. You seem very useless right now.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 16 2013 23:00 GMT
#1093
sigh, I don't know what's worse. The fact that Toad actually thought faking a shot would clear or incriminate marvellosity or the fact that Artanis wouldn't play along and speculated about it being fake. doesn't mean that they're mafia. just irritates me that people do stuff like this for no good reason. Like if you can think of the idea to fake a shot, you have to realize that almost everyone else in the game will consider the fact that you are faking, they may play along or not, but it's just dumb and wastes time.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 16 2013 23:13 GMT
#1111
you can just die coag. if you're town, you're an absolute fucking waste of space.

##Vote Coagulation
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 16 2013 23:17 GMT
#1121
Are you that dumb you stupid moron? Actions couldn't have been changed at that time.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 16 2013 23:30 GMT
#1135
On February 17 2013 08:27 Vivax wrote:
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On February 17 2013 08:17 HiroPro wrote:
Are you that dumb you stupid moron? Actions couldn't have been changed at that time.


Hiro, why so mad?


Because I want to kill coag so bad for doing nothing but sadly I have this voice in my head that tells me "coag plays like this every game."
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 00:40 GMT
#1157
wait I just realized something. Coag thinks marv is definite town. he accuses me of being butthurt mafia who wasted a roleblock on toad when I saw him claim vig. why in the hell would I roleblock toad if I was scum and marv was town?


Am I dumb or did coag just claim scum?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 01:25 GMT
#1163
layabout/toad?

On February 17 2013 09:40 HiroPro wrote:
wait I just realized something. Coag thinks marv is definite town. he accuses me of being butthurt mafia who wasted a roleblock on toad when I saw him claim vig. why in the hell would I roleblock toad if I was scum and marv was town?


Am I dumb or did coag just claim scum?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 01:33 GMT
#1173
On February 17 2013 10:31 Vivax wrote:
Wtf are you guys even talking about, Toad didn't announce his shot until resolution period began. So far only Zess claimed to have seen the crumb.


Yes but Coag didn't seem to be aware that were as action resolution period.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 01:41 GMT
#1179
On February 17 2013 10:34 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 17 2013 10:25 HiroPro wrote:
layabout/toad?

On February 17 2013 09:40 HiroPro wrote:
wait I just realized something. Coag thinks marv is definite town. he accuses me of being butthurt mafia who wasted a roleblock on toad when I saw him claim vig. why in the hell would I roleblock toad if I was scum and marv was town?


Am I dumb or did coag just claim scum?


Toad only claimed the shot in the resolution period right?

So theoretically you roleblocked Toad just because, then you found out Toad was 'shooting' me, and then you go 'argh fuck oh noes you bastard!' or something.


meh, that makes some sense i guess if youre coag.


I don't think he knew about the action resolution because it didn't even seem to make sense that he would say something like that if he knew, but I guess it works if he thought the way you just explained. also he said he didn't know what the voting system was, so I figured he wouldn't know any of the other mechanics.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 01:46 GMT
#1181
On February 17 2013 10:42 marvellosity wrote:
right, but you don't have to know the mechanics when host announces it in the middle of the thread


Yea but the host also announces the voting mechanic when he makes each vote count rofl. And those are more than once lol.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 05:46 GMT
#1193
rofl Toad. Every single normal mini that bugs has run except for maybe the first c9++ has had a town roleblocker.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 05:46 GMT
#1195
*possiblity
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 05:48 GMT
#1198
but in any case, I don't think it's likely that a town rb would target Toad.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 05:50 GMT
#1201
yea, we're not lynching Toad today. who do you think is mafia out of layabout's list grush?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 21:51 GMT
#1398
lol. this might be the fastest game ever. I'm not thinking marv as mafia right now tbh.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 21:54 GMT
#1399
it seems very stupid for marvel to be mafia and switch last minute if he also knew that risk was going to switch.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 21:57 GMT
#1401
yea, let's kill Matt.

##Unvote
##Vote Mattchew
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 21:59 GMT
#1404
On February 18 2013 06:56 Vivax wrote:
Then why did you say he should be looked into after the lynch nontheless?


I felt that at least 1 mafia would be on yamato and he was someone who constantly tried to derail the yamato lynch up until the last moment.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 22:07 GMT
#1406
On February 18 2013 07:00 Vivax wrote:
Matt would make sense since he hasn't been modkilled for not voting. I can't imagine Bugs being the guy to be forgiving unless it was really bad for mafia. He asked us to type "I will not be modkilled" as well.

I'd like you to specify your own reasons for thinking he's scum though.


Bugs will never modkill solely for not voting. And he doesn't do things by alignment like that.

Matt is mostly by elimination of the people who are almost certainly town and by the reasoning he has been using on risk/Artanis/marv. He has been saying that mafia wouldn't late switch because they don't know how things would turn out. However, risk flipping mafia if anything makes the chances that marv is mafia lower if you look at that logic. What reason is there for 2 mafia to switch like that when they know the other one will switch? It seems very opportunistic to me that he is voting for marv.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 22:23 GMT
#1409
I'm not sure. It's very hard for me to tell with him since I don't know him at all. He is likely to be mafia purely on voting, but he does at least seem to be trying to figure some stuff out.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 17 2013 23:22 GMT
#1423
Spending kp on actions is not standard (and also completely ridiculous to have in a mini). Additionally, we already had a mafia with a double role flip - you don't really have mafia with roles if it's a sac kp for actions.

Having 1 fixed kp for 16 players/4 mafia is not that unusual at all. Might have some kind of mafia member with a limited kp.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 00:20 GMT
#1432
mm, you're saying Toad is lying.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 03:02 GMT
#1469
Ask whether a person who you target will be told that they were roleblocked.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 03:10 GMT
#1471
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 07:06 GMT
#1482
Can we get a vote count please.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:03 GMT
#1576
lol. you should really shoot matt though.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:18 GMT
#1596
amazing. can we kill matt now please?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:18 GMT
#1597
On February 19 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 01:16 sandroba wrote:
On February 19 2013 01:12 marvellosity wrote:
zinggggggg

man i would be so cool if you are mafia too =P


you know i'm not though

##Unvote
##Vote: Hopeless1der


going for 2/2


you're 1 for 3 bro. can't turn that into 2 for 2.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:24 GMT
#1600
On February 19 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote:
Why matt over hopeless Hiro?


Because it would give me satisfaction. No but in all seriousness I'm too lazy to explain and thankfully I don't have to.

The short answer is unless you think that every single mafia player voted for yamato, hopeless is town.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:40 GMT
#1606
On February 19 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 01:18 HiroPro wrote:
On February 19 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
On February 19 2013 01:16 sandroba wrote:
On February 19 2013 01:12 marvellosity wrote:
zinggggggg

man i would be so cool if you are mafia too =P


you know i'm not though

##Unvote
##Vote: Hopeless1der


going for 2/2


you're 1 for 3 bro. can't turn that into 2 for 2.


I mean today, no need to be bitchy. I still voted for yamato remember


Not trying to be bitchy. just tired. I need this game to end soon.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:46 GMT
#1611
Lol ok. gg. I don't understand why you would do that as mafia but ok.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:46 GMT
#1612
I guess you just wanted to stick it to Toad?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:49 GMT
#1618
hahaha marv.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:49 GMT
#1621
push 2 cases on scum but get blamed for opposing another one rofl.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 16:59 GMT
#1637
Ah yes. Huge thanks to the hosts. I liked this setup.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 17:01:16
February 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#1640
I would have given gun dealer 1 bullet personally. But I don't think it's a huge deal.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 17:04:13
February 18 2013 17:03 GMT
#1643
Oh, I didn't realize the rbs worked at day too. Ok that makes sense. 2 seems completely reasonable then.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 18 2013 21:45 GMT
#1696
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15769557

If VE can post a picture of himself eating a hat, I think marv can too.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 19 2013 00:33 GMT
#1723
No he's not lol. I poked him on d1 to see if he would call me stupid and he did
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 20 2013 09:08 GMT
#1757
Thanks for the writeup bugs. Good as always.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 09:27:40
February 20 2013 09:26 GMT
#1762
On February 20 2013 18:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 18:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 20 2013 18:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I had a town read on Marv all game long but Zess managed to make me worried and I didn´t want to mess up, so I decided to send it to syllo instead, since everyone seemed to regard him as pretty much confirmed town. My reads this game weren´t really great. I had a few strong green reads but found it difficult to really discern the townies that weren´t playing from scum. I didn´t find anyone with an agenda, which I guess makes sense as it seems scum didn´t play with one this game.


right-and that was only one player's pressure.

syllo and sandro didn't look particularly better than marv at that point in the game. The only difference is that no one had attacked them and at least 2-3 people had attacked marv (among them were Zess and Toad).

If mafia shed doubt on syllo and sandro, using the fact that neither of them really stepped it up on day 1, things might have looked different. They wouldn't even need to try to lynch them, just repeatedly call them out and throw dirt on them.

Well, I think that part specifically is because no one dares to attack syllo/sandro as they have a reputation of figuring out each other's alignment easily. Scum knew they had to paint both Syllo and Sandro as scum if they wanted to get them lynched, which would've been a very hard thing to do.


Some of this is obviously very easy to say after the game is over and not as easy to do when actually playing.

And it's a little more difficult in this game since most people are aware of how syllo and sandro generally play but I feel that the goal should be to get some obstinate townie stuck on the idea that one/both are scum in plain sight just complaining about how nothing is happening but no willing to do anything themselves.

I think there was even a decent opportunity at some point when sandroba mentioned that he was suspicious of sandroba for not doing anything? Why not make this a big deal, why just sit silent about that. It doesn't need to constantly be repeated by mafia, but it definitely shouldn't just be allowed to disappear.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
February 21 2013 07:34 GMT
#1787
There's a difference though. They were only "confirmed" because he shot a mafia. c9++ vigs are "confirmed" no matter what they shoot since mafia don't have any vigs.
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