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Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVII - Page 49
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 14 2013 05:37 Sn0_Man wrote: So your reasoning on Syl is: If WB thinks Syl is scum, then Syl must be town. /facepalm Why would scum bus each other D1? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't want to dive into OMGUS. If you want to now, go ahead... | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 13 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Why are you expecting him to change his vote? In my opinion, WB is kind of locked into Sylencia because it's the only person he has really targeted... @Mandalor: Could you please justify your vote being with someone you were suspicious of. Please and thank you. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On February 14 2013 05:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Why would scum bus each other D1? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't want to dive into OMGUS. If you want to now, go ahead... It's called playing for the long-game, but it doesn't work unless it's super convincing. TL Mafia LI | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On February 14 2013 05:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Why would scum bus each other D1? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't want to dive into OMGUS. If you want to now, go ahead... Why would you make association cases pre-flip D1? That doesn't make any sense. Seriously, you are SO CONFIRMATION BIASED on WB that you are letting his opinions colour your views on other people. I mean, as scum its safe to D1 bus a scumbuddy who won't get lynched anyway... Pure WIFOM but so is your argument that Syl is town. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On February 14 2013 05:40 cDgCorazon wrote: @Mandalor: Could you please justify your vote being with someone you were suspicious of. Please and thank you. I'm not making connections before a flip. Despite my suspicion, WB might be anything. Also, as I said, he voted early and had two more hours to change his vote while I was asleep. And he did. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 14 2013 05:45 ObviousOne wrote: It's called playing for the long-game, but it doesn't work unless it's super convincing. TL Mafia LI Yeah but this is a newbie game. Why would they try such a risky tactic? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 14 2013 05:47 Sn0_Man wrote: Why would you make association cases pre-flip D1? That doesn't make any sense. Seriously, you are SO CONFIRMATION BIASED on WB that you are letting his opinions colour your views on other people. I mean, as scum its safe to D1 bus a scumbuddy who won't get lynched anyway... Pure WIFOM but so is your argument that Syl is town. Because WB's attacks on Syl are literally the only action that he can cling to and say "hey guys, I'm scumhunting!" The problem with my whole case on WB is that it was the first part of D1. Had he said all of those emotional things, lets say, an hour before the lynch, would you have voted for him? | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
- Yes, the objective is for town is for a town win and not survival, but I am 100% sure of what I am and I am not about glurio. - At the time I was typing my head was on the chopping block, but after I posted it someone had already moved off of me, so it looked like I was saying it for no reason. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
My Last Will Just in case I do get killed tonight. I’m not sure what the odds are, but I know they’re greater than zero. So as a preventative measure, I will post some thoughts on other players in the game. Warbaby- You all know my thoughts about WB. I’m going to lay off for a little bit and pursue other reads (if I survive). Sn0 is right about the confirmation bias thing. Perhaps it’s started to set in a bit. I’m still suspicious, but I’ll save it for later. Geript- In all honesty, his case against me had a little bit of merit, but most of my answers were in the other posts on my filter. The interesting part is that he is only focusing on my vote for Glurio when there are 2 other people who helped seal Glurio’s lynch. His whole strategy of setting up half-cases so that others can finish them off is lazy town at best, scummy at worse. However, I would still like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is adjusting to a different way of playing Mafia. I think he got a bit too emotional when he said Moc and I were basically forcing him out of the game. WoS- I know this point has been discussed to death but I really don’t like the fact that he threw his vote away D1 (scum don’t usually care about the lynch unless it’s one of their own) and his non-vote for Sevryn was scummy as well. I’ll be keeping an eye out on him. Syl/Mandalor/Sevryn/OO/Testsubject(Basically everyone who fit how Glurio was playing)- Post more (or do a better job than the person you replaced). Don’t wait until the lynch deadline gets close to give us your reads. Be proactive scumhunters. I’m sorry this is probably shorter than it should be, but I must go to work. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 14 2013 04:28 ObviousOne wrote: @Mocsta do you yourself think Sylencia was more valuable to town than Glurio? Consider this given any hindsight based on anything Sylencia may have posted thus far N1. What does Sylencia offer to town that Glurio lacked? Also, do you think WaveofShadow is trying to bait you into making association cases based on a town flip so you can look more scummy down the line if you're ever on another town lynch vote list? (1) I wrote this intentionally vague because I didnt want to highlight this thought/assumption during Night 1. I thought people in the moment would understand the reference. If you need, I will answer this in more detail Day2. On the chance I am NK'd, the breadcrumb I will leave is: look at Sn0_Man filter; its a direct reference to that. (2) I didn't read it that way; and to be brutally honest, what I have seen from WoS so far does not indicate he thinks ahead *THAT* far. I read the post as he was confirmation biased towards his two lurker reads; and was saying whatever is required to keep them in the limelight - even if the logic is inaccurate. If what you say above is true; and if he was scum, I think we are fucked 'cos thats pretty crafty. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Regarding that second point about WoS, yeah I can see how sticking to his reads could go either way, so I'm still not leaning one way or another. I'll be keeping my eye on him. My gut tells me there's something going on between him and Corazon but I can't place it just yet. I would love to hear more from Mandalor, he seems to be equipped with the tools to hunt scum and work is getting in the way. @Mandalor, are you going to have anything resembling a weekend where you will be able to spend a bit more time with us? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 14 2013 02:09 Sn0_Man wrote: On a slightly different topic: I would like to hear an explanation of this line Mocsta. I asked before but I don't remember much of an answer. On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote: You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town. It has to do with: On February 12 2013 11:40 geript wrote: I didn't claim warbaby as town; I stated I think he's town. There's a big difference between the two. back to rereading Then our conversation On February 12 2013 15:03 Sn0_Man wrote: I still don't see it as a "chainsaw defence of a scumbuddy". On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote:You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town. The point being; it never clicked with me why Geript mentioned he was saying he thought WB was town, instead of claimed town. When you said, it may not have been a "scum buddy" it all clicked together. I countered by saying: On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote: just keep in mind please; chainsaw defense doesnt apply to just defending scum buddy. its basically just attacking the someones attacker personally (instead of their argument). So can be applied to defending town. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
Thoughts on a few other players: + Show Spoiler [Mocsta] + Mocsta is the remaining glurio wagoner that I didn't comment on above. I think his play is a lot like his scum play in XXXV. I'm just getting done with work, so I haven't taken the time to pick his filter apart yet, and review his meta in all games. But I've noticed he's a lot less aggressive as town sometimes (especially compared to his early D1 play this game). I also don't like the way he tried to box us into "pick 2 lurkers and 2 actives to lynch" as D1 was finishing. This is a ridiculous suggestion IMO -- if there are legit lurkers around we shouldn't even be discussing lynching an active on D1 (barring an egregious scumslip of which there have been none). It seems like he was trying to egg us on into lynching an active player (saving his scumteam from having to kill that active player with a night action?). If I'm alive D2 I'll put a lot more effort into analyzing Mocsta. + Show Spoiler [sylencia] + Still lurking hardcore. 1 post 22 hours into N1? Claims to have done an analysis on me, but I don't see an analysis on me in his filter. Why did he only de-lurk at the end of D1 when "his head was on the chopping block" (in his own words)? Was he reading the thread but not posting before that? I'm leaning scum on sylencia. + Show Spoiler [Mandalor] + Still lurking, but not that bad. I don't see overt scum motivation in his posts and actions, but I wish he would participate a lot more. + Show Spoiler [Sn0_man] + Null read. He's active, considering many angles, questioning multiple players. If he's scum he's blending in extremely well. + Show Spoiler [geript] + Basically the same as sn0_man, except he's a bit less active, and thorough in his analyses. + Show Spoiler [zarepath] + His play seems very analogous to my last game with him, when he was town. His bait and switch fake case was well executed on D1. He's been making posts that are useful to town, IMO. Maybe I have some kind of bias after I did a doctor save on him last game, because I want to lean town on zarepath. But a null read would be more rational. + Show Spoiler [WoS] + Like sn0_man, he seems to be keeping an open mind. I like this post. A scum knows the essence (alignment) of the flip already. If WoS is scum, it's a cute trick to act like he's excited to see the flip. Not saying he's town, but he's definitely not got the scummiest filter in the game right now. + Show Spoiler [ObviousOne] + I don't understand why he's concealing his ideas until D2, unless he's sure he won't be night killed (eg, he's scum). But his other posts make sense to me. Obviously I won't vote myself, but I might be interested in a sylencia lynch as O1 suggests. I'm totally burned out from work (dealing with unusually complex stuff this week), but I'll try to post some more of my thoughts before N1 is out. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18161 Posts
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On February 13 2013 09:44 Sn0_Man wrote: You aren't helping yourself glurio. I think I may be willing to vote Sylencia, but my read on him is Blue or Scum, not green. I read somewhere that people who seem withdrawn and preoccupied with blue roles (like Syl was when we talked about WB's pseudo-blue claim) are often blue themselves. (Somewhere is in Ver's analysis of XXX). I really didn't want to lynch Syl because he might flip blue but his contributions haven't really been in line with what I would hope a town member would try to bring to the table. So basically, I'm willing to consolidate on Syl but I want you guys to understand the risk that he flips blue is decently high IMO. Also, in regards to this I'm going to say that I am not blue. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
K. i am 50% through my last will | ||
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