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On February 23 2013 04:06 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok I do think VE is scum. I feel less confident on Phagga. However if CC is having doubts I think we should go with Debears then We all believe he is scum. So why not make the switch. What do you guys think.
@Phagga I appreciate your defending me based on meta. But at this point I am not a lynch candidate anyway. I would like to see more posts that scumhunt from you rather then defend me (as I am not gonna get lynched today)
I'm not defending you, I'm laying out my fucking thoughts on why I switch my read on you. I have been yelled at enought that I seem to "back out of my reads without reason" and that I'm just "going with the flow", and I'm sick of it.
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@Phagga. Ok at this point I would like a list of your town reads and your scum reads. Also who you want to lynch today
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On February 23 2013 03:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 03:49 yamato77 wrote:
The lynch is not going easily, you're trying your best to derail it. Debears said the same thing while trying to get Jay lynched. You have a different mislynch target but it's the same shit. Then lynch Debears you fool. Why the fuck, if we are scum together, would I call Jay town and not just push his lynch? Like holy shit are you blind.... Lynch Debears or Phagga idc which. It's actually funny because everyone sheeped my scumteam prediction and now thinks I'm scum for wanting to lynch a different person on the list. Hilarious.
No, I think you are scum because you are pushing me like mad, without giving any explanation about all the associations you claim. Once its me and debears, then me and jay, then me and oats. Why? Noone knows, because you just want to sling shit at me, you don't want to give out reasons.
And what's the case on me, anyway? That post that is over a week old and is full of lies and misrepresentation? The fact that I did not intent to lynch snarf until you brought out your case? But did you not make the case exactly to make people vote snarf together with you? Why is it wrong then that I took it as the base for my vote? Oh, and a pro-tip: Jay never wanted to lynch snarfs in the first place. But interestingly enough, that rather seems to make him town in your eyes.
On February 23 2013 01:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
You know I'm town, Jay. I 'confirmed' you town to the entire thread and took you off the ballot for todays lynch. We need to derail this lynch. VE could be scum, but Phagga is 100% guarenteed. He has done nothing today but buddy you and be like 'yeah, let's lynch VE :D' <--- I doubt that's a bus, because if VE were to fall, Phagga and Debears scumteam would be outed.
I'm buddying up to jay? You must be fucking kidding me. I tried to show everyone the reason why I switch my read on jay. It's called laying out your thoughts. But hey, I know someone who is hardcore buddying up jay:
On February 23 2013 01:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Jay
Don't you think it's a bit odd that everyone who thought you were scum suddenly sheeped me and put you as town? I think VE is a mislynch today. Nobody is opposing this lynch -- literally everyone including myself wants VE dead. At lylo, that's never a good sign for town and I've only ever seen it end up in a mislynch. The only one hard defending VE is Debears, and it really has to be a stunt.
Scumteam is: Phagga / Oats / Debears
Both Oats / Debears have defended Phagga and not wanted to lynch him.
As soon as I put out my Phagga / Debears / VE theory everybody instantly bandwagoned onto VE -- who I was least sure about. Debears is hard defending VE because he wants town to believe VE is scum. It's that simple. If they were scumbuddies, we'd have seen a bus or try to push a more realistic lynch candidate. This hard-defend of VE is nothing more than a play to 'confirm' VE as scum. He just wants to lynch VE -- and, in reality, the best way to assure that happens is to oppose his lynch. It makes so much sense.
I'll put it right out for you here, Jay. Yamato is blind. He even thinks I'm scum (which, he has in every game I've played with him as town). Scum is sitting back, feet up, smoking a cigar and counting the votes to the VE mislynch. Phagga and Oats are on board with it. They have every other town vote in the game. Debears is opposing the lynch just to make it seem like they are scumbuddies so VE can get lynched even harder, confirming the scumteam in Yamato's head. It's brilliant, really, but sad that they have to manipulate Yamato to do it.
You know I'm town, Jay. I 'confirmed' you town to the entire thread and took you off the ballot for todays lynch. We need to derail this lynch. VE could be scum, but Phagga is 100% guarenteed. He has done nothing today but buddy you and be like 'yeah, let's lynch VE :D' <--- I doubt that's a bus, because if VE were to fall, Phagga and Debears scumteam would be outed.
VE is a mislynch, and it's becoming more obvious as time goes on.
But hey folks, it's easy, cause you know, cheese is constantly rereading the thread and reconsidering his reads:
On February 21 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I want to get this right and not fuck it up. I want my target to be 100% certain to flip scum. As such, I will reconsider my reads on Phagga / Jay (one of them is scum, this is a certainty. The recent loljayistown sheep on me is bothersome, but not entirely wrong) as well as VE.
On February 19 2013 12:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I have a few more ideas other than 'Lol jay / phagga scum'.
On February 21 2013 16:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nomination wifom best wifom. I see your point, though. As I said, I want to be 100% sure of this lynch. There are other possibilities to consider. screaming VE scum over and over at lylo doesnt achieve much. It just makes you bad, even if you are right.
Yamato, characteristically you are a very confirmation biased and clouded townie. Im nkt saying you arent right in this case, but there are better ways to go about things.
I'll do a full write up tomorrow on who we should lymch. If it's VE, cool. wagon of justice.
However, when does write ups and reconsiderations come up, there is just him yelling "phagga is scum, together with YX", and no explanation why this is the case. Look it up. For several pages of filter, Cheese has gone on and on about me and the scum team, never telling WHY I am scum and WHERE the association lies with his other suspects.
This ties in nicely with his lack of cases. Remember D3? Cheese flooded us with cases that day. Yamato, me and Snarfs each got one, how nice of him. However, since the 14th (that's over 8 days now) Cheese has not given any justification why someone besides me is scum. The only thing he wrote is a paragraph about debears where he concludes that debears is scum because of his interpretation of my vote switch on snarfs and because he soft-defended me! That's the whole basis why cheese thinks debears is scum! Further on, there is no explanation on why Oats could be scum, just that it would fit some association that was never explained.
And to top it off, i was called out by VE that I gave no reason why I think VE is scum. However, cheese never gave any reason why VE is scum, and VE never called him out. Gee, I wonder why. Could it be because they are scumbuddies?
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On February 23 2013 05:25 jaybrundage wrote:
@Phagga. Ok at this point I would like a list of your town reads and your scum reads. Also who you want to lynch today
Town: Yamato, probably Jay
Scum: Ve, Cheese
I'm feeling unsure about the third scum. I want to lynch VE, then progress from there. If Cheese is in the nomination, I will vote/push him.
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Phagga is so town.
He gets it. Thank God.
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On February 23 2013 05:44 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 05:25 jaybrundage wrote:
@Phagga. Ok at this point I would like a list of your town reads and your scum reads. Also who you want to lynch today Town: Yamato, probably Jay Scum: Ve, Cheese I'm feeling unsure about the third scum. I want to lynch VE, then progress from there. If Cheese is in the nomination, I will vote/push him.
Thougts on Debears and Oats as well plz. If we lynch Debears would you be down.
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As I said, I feel unsure about Oats and Debears. I currently think that debears is the last scum, but I'm not yet convinced. Therefore, i don't want to lynch him yet.
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I'm off to bed. Stay strong town, lynch VE.
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We're not lynching Phagga today, nor jay. Both have put in a ton of effort. VE is the lynch.
Tomorrow I want to look hard at CC, as I said earlier. The last mafia, as Phagga said, is one of Debears/Oats, but I'm not sure which. My gut says debears, and that's exactly what I've been operating under today.
I won't be around for the deadline but afterward and most of the next few days I will be here making cases and such. See you guys on the flip side.
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I'll take good care of the thread for you dear. Don't worry, I won't try anything fishy. Maybe.
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Can we get a vote count Im feeling lazy :3
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Day 7 Vote Count:
VisceraEyes (Lots): All the idiot townies
phagga (None): Not nearly enough.
Deadline in ~4 hours.
Currently VisceraEyes is set to be mislynched.
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GG scum. Sorry guys I tried and failed to convince you. I can only do so much replacing in late
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Day 7 Vote Count:
VisceraEyes (5): yamato77, jaybrundage, Oatsmaster, phagga, VisceraEyes, jaybrundage, Oatsmaster
jaybrundage (1): debears, Mr. Cheesecake, Oatsmaster
phagga (0): Oatsmaster
debears (1): Mr. Cheesecake, jaybrundage, Oatsmaster, Mr.Cheesecake
Deadline in ~1.5 hours.
Currently VisceraEyes is set to be lynched.
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Why VisceraEyes is Most Definitely Town
Look, I know I'm going to die. For this reason I'm not going to waste time trying to get my scum reads lynched. Instead, I'm going to take an introspective look at my play and try to explain why I've made the decisions I did.
Day One - Lynch the Lurker
Early on in the day I had a town read on Mocsta and Oats. Their back and forth just smacked of town on town, in spite of Oats screaming otherwise. This interaction however caused me to take my first (yeah first fucking sue me) look at the OP and the mechanics involved in this game.
I had an early slight scum read on Palmar based on his inactivity - though I'm well aware of his penchant for fucking off regardless of his alignment. It had to do with prplhz being the target of his suspicions. I was looking specifically for prplhz' entrance into the game, because the last few scum games what I remember of prplhz was his tone was very indicative of his alignment. This game was no different, and he came into the game SOUNDING very town. The problem was that he fucked off early, deigning to bitch about thread atmosphere and do nothing of import else. For this reason, I wanted to pressure him to see what happened and chose him as the subject of my lurker lynch. I had a scum read on Palmar, and because I'd been shot down from lynching Palmar I went after prplhz as a lurker lynch.
I also had a scum read on Snarfs, who ended up being the subject of my first case. It was largely ignored - the only person I remember commenting on it was Mocsta, who said that he agreed with my points, but did NOT want to lynch Snarfs. This led to my waiting for further input, and subsequently my pushing of a lurker lynch. Near the end of D1, Palmar had come into the thread and tried to derail the current lynch in favor of….I don't even remember who, maybe prplhz some more. But because of this I was stricken certain that Palmar was mafia. I spent the entirety of the D1>2 Nomination Phase analyzing the previous day with the knowledge that Palmar WAS Mafia.
Day 2 - Nomination Day
Once the nominations were announced, I was put to my first hard decision. Palmar who had been a serious scum read had gone up for nomination…and based on my analysis of the setup I had determined that scum would likely put up three townies. So, it became a question of what I believed to be more likely: that Palmar was phoning in this game as town, or Palmar was ballsy scum. Based on his inactivity, I ruled out the latter and ultimately decided that Palmar was likely town, along with Mocsta whom I had a town read on from the previous day. slOosh was my only null in this list of 3, and I was leaning SLIGHTLY scum on slOosh at this point, based on him ignoring my Snarfs case. However with the nomination I was forced to rethink this read.
D2 also brought slOosh' original case on me, which was a sour pill to swallow considering the fact that I just had to rethink my own scum read on him. Most of D2 for me was spent trying to explain my inexplicable scum read on Palmar, and eventually trying to talk slOosh down from his read on me. All and all, it was pretty much a disaster…because not only did I not get to push my own Snarfs read in the thread (I was presently following slOosh' advice in allowing the nominees to lead the discussions) but I also developed an actual scum read on prplhz based on his incessant inactivity and refusal to do anything other than call me scum for no reason. Not to mention the fact that because slOosh was pushing this case on me for something he was guilty of himself, I had also developed a scum read on him…further taking me away from my original case on Snarfs.
Day 3 - Bowel Evacuation
Day three was the first time my ass was on the line…and actually the first time I was ready to die to further town's agenda. slOosh had gained quite the following and eventually the lynch was between myself and Snarfs. After repeatedly (and CAPSLOCKLY) attesting my innocence, and after Cheese came with a master-case (or something) slOosh eventually backed off and we were able to bag our first scum.
I think this is where my problems actually began though.
Based on the Snarfs lynch, I believe that scum had to try something obscure to implicate me - something subtle. I think this is when it was decided that I wouldn't ever be put up for nominations…and Day 4 was just about to start.
Day 4 - Mocsta and the Mislynch
Day 4 marks the last day I put any effort into this game, and for that I apologize. D4 brought Mocsta and his case against me, featuring none other than the "double-bus" theory everyone seems to be subscribing to today. Laughably bad in context, because of how I had decided the most likely way scum would play in this setup, but ultimately good enough to further exacerbate the doubt already latent in the thread surrounding me. Obviously I was not nominated…but Mocsta was. I found this to be highly suspect, and made my final and fatal error in judgement - deciding that based on all of this, Mocsta HAD to be scum. He flipped town though, and that pretty much decimated my will to continue trying.
In Conclusion
In my opinion, scum have played a MASTERFUL game. My final guess for scum right now is
phagga, debears, yamato
…but honestly wouldn't be surprised to be COMPLETELY off. Their agenda is extremely convoluted to me and I have no idea what's actually scummy and what's actually townie stupidity/paranoia/whatever. What I do know is that this is a mislynch, and that the game ends with me dying. As I said, I apologize for not putting more effort into this game.
Feel free to lay into me in post-game. I deserve it, though not as much as you probably think.
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Scum have gone silent. So dumb
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Why wouldn't they? Shit's flying their way.
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Fun fact: I'm eating cheesecake right now.
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FUCKING WIERD SO AM I MY WIFE MADE ME A PB ONE FOR VDAY
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