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On January 18 2013 18:12 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 16:51 AxleGreaser wrote:
So does anyone actually have any good policy (aka rational reasons) on what we want in a mayor...
What is the risk to a town when they pick a mayor, All I know for sure is I shouldn't be... and why.
Which players, while we are not playing and there is no townie read, involved could be good mayor and why.
Is it to you guys just prestige and ego?
Haaaalp, I fell through hole in the flag, I had plan I thought it just went out the window.
For mayor, you want someone who can come up with really good reads. The mayor can speak freely without the fear of death (at least from mafia and vigilantes). The mayor will be able to rally everyone together and start an orderly discussion. With the presence of masons, it is highly likely that they will contact the mayor. The mayor will need to discriminate between the mafia and town. He must choose how much information to pass along to these individuals. The mayor's vote counts more than the average townie, so this discrimination between town and mafia is a very essential skill. Town shouldn't be to rash to lynch mayor. This has happened all to often. Chezinu could possibly be a good mayor. He has been know for his lists and as mafia a blue sniper. Though he is often very selfish and speaks in riddles to avoid being killed. He isn't known for pushing his lynches. He mostly lets others do the work, unless he has a special role like detective. However, I believe this would change if he were mayor. The selfish motives that hinders this player will no longer be in his way if he were mayor.
ok I'll vote for this chezinu guy
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Axle you're not being coherent at all >_>
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 14:18 gonzaw wrote:
Axle, in pre-game did you want to be mayor or not? I never fully understood that.
Why would you vote Chezinu before any other guys? Is it just his "Imma be serious" claim? These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler +
Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard.
His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see.
Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show.
The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better?
As a feel read approach to why the vote...
I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once.
regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] +
me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed.
Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information.
I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them.
In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...)
Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town.
And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game.
Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house.
Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes.
From a Newbie game
+ Show Spoiler +[B]On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which?
I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.
How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes?
[b]##Vote: gonzaw for mayor
And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it.
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Axle out of everyone yours was the only post I have trouble reading... I mean I can't skim your post and understand them. I can't get reads off you if you keep typing like that. Please do simple things like spell checking, plainer English and less Ozzie slang.
On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 14:18 gonzaw wrote:
Axle, in pre-game did you want to be mayor or not? I never fully understood that.
Why would you vote Chezinu before any other guys? Is it just his "Imma be serious" claim? These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler +
Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard.
His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see.
Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show.
The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better?
As a feel read approach to why the vote...
I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once.
regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] +
me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed.
Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information.
I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them.
In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...)
Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town.
And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game.
Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote:
Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753
it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep
that unless I find my own evidence.
If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it
whatever weight it is due.
I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting
properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly
feeling something was wrong.
Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in
the other big puddle. The quiet people.
Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed.
As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role
you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team.
As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no
evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa
before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall.
So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.??
An association case. Arnarnion and Oats.
In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different
pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time
to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo
They will also want to pick off the two blue roles.
Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of,
Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town)
The question is which?
I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes?##Vote: gonzaw for mayor
And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all.
>_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player.
Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it.
[B]On January 20 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote: This needs answers: Show nested quote +[B]On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote: I have questions, too: - gonzaw, Axle and JieXian: How is me being afk after my candidacy a "bad thing?". Post your reasoning!
Why would mafia preferably over town not post after the candidacy? Can you enlighten me?
Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor.
If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill.
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On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now.
Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy?
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On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do.
Don't know what are you trying to acheive there
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On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless
I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking.
What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says?
Vivax mind explaining?
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On January 21 2013 03:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I was looking for an answer, and this is it? You think I am scum cause? I announce my candidacy and then go to sleep? You answer with a metaphor that I don't see apply here anyway?
On January 21 2013 03:50 Vivax wrote:
EBWOP: You think that was scummy behaviour, you didn't express your belief of me being scum yet.
Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping.
Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination?
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On January 21 2013 04:02 Vivax wrote:
@JieXian
Why do you suspect exactly debears out of all lurkers? Cause austin already mentioned him?
Would you still vote for gonzaw as mayor?
@ Clarity
When will you be dropping your promised reads? I am taking back the support until I see something good.
I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better
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I'm not sheeping anybody, I'm getting different POV about a vet who isn't appearing, whom townie toad would know about. Why is asking someone a question sheeping?
No, I do not have a strong scumread on anyone yet.
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On January 21 2013 11:24 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 11:18 DearestSnot wrote:
Chezinu, I would argue that you are the one not reading, since you said that you find prpl scummy for breaking the Chezinu rule, and now you have said you would be willing to vote austin or gonzaw over myself or fivetouch despite the fact that Austin has stated he has no interest in lynching prplhz, while both myself and Fivetouch have stated the exact opposite.
Your last post was nothing but fluff directed at people to vote you for mayor. Don't be coy. oh so you are running? Oh and look, you do remember me quoting you and telling you that I was going to lynch prpl based on the Chezinu Rule.
what the hell is the chezinu rule?
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On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled.
He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What?
On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads
On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me
So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_>
I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now.
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Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia
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On January 22 2013 02:41 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Negatory. He was actually quite active in the games he got modkilled. It looks more like he didn't vote, or got caught up last minute and missed voting, then got modkilled. It's odd, but oh well.
Getting modkilled time and time again is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia
I mean I'm not saying he's confirmed townie because I can't read anything from him an he's still null for me, I'm pointing out how you're refuting your own case on him.
i.e. I think your case is bad
Vivax
Please don't lie to yourself. You got mad and OMGUSed me after I said I agreed with gonzaw. Please don't act all high and mighty that you made some well calculated moves.
Seriously just think a little longer before posting. I still don't notice any difference in you from our first newbie game.
I'm seriously considering Toad's idea to vote you in as sherrif but I'm a bit worried because other people seem to think you're not a complete noob at mafia idiot.
OK I think this is important for everyone:
Can someone please convince me that Vivax isn't a complete noob at mafia? Someone mentioned it earlier
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On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum
I don't get this. Why?
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I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that.
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On January 22 2013 02:53 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:43 JieXian wrote:
Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia This is absolutely true. I'm not advocating lynching him because he doesn't care about playing mafia though, and nobody is defending him on the ground that he "usually doesn't care about playing mafia." Bugs said a thing about stutter's past games. I went to go look at the past games to see whether I agreed with the thing. I do not agree with the thing. That doesn't make bugs wrong, that doesn't make stutter mafia. It just means that the only thing I've seen that's a real reason not to lynch stutter is something I disagree with, so I'm still down for lynching stutter.
What thing is that? Please be fast and I'm not joking around, trying to decide before I sleep.
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Austin sorry your case just looked waaay weaker to me now that Bugs posted his argument against yours and I'm voting for 5touch >_>
On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum I don't get this. Why? ___ I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that. Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots. Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads. Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred
I don't know why you're worried at all, beacuse he doesn't have any votes for now and everyone seems to think he's too stupid to be mafia except for 1 person.
How could you have missed out the candidates with the highest number of votes : FiveTouch, Chezinu
I find that fake paranoia scummy.
On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky.
No one would bother to slowly dissect your long post for a time zone when your tag says US.
Don't need to give me a defense that was already mentioned, wth can't you even realise yet that I don't think it's very likely that you're scum? I was very worried about being too rude and pissing you off.
But I guess I should be clear: I think it's more likely that you didn't change from our first game rather than you being scum.
Cool story, if that's the only argument I think you just got lucky that game and you're townie then.
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On January 22 2013 03:13 DearestSnot wrote:
Actually scum might want to elect you if they can't elect one of their own, since electing you is far better than electing someone who is townier or scarier in that role.
It leaves more people open for them to simply shoot dead.
Exactly, for that reason, in addition to his overall trolly style, I think toad might be scum. What do you vets think?
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Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag
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On January 22 2013 17:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Quadruple-post ftw:
JX might actually be more likely mafia for the #2 slot than oats, but that'd make oats go to #3 together with debears. I know JX somewhat from the TL-language exchanging thread. He has my skype and we're skyping in german every once in a while. I'd say every 2nd or every 3rd day for an hour, maybe a bit longer? So I'd say I know him somewhat outside of the game.
That being said I think he'd be the kind of guy who'd have troubles to post as mafia while talking freely about what's on his mind as town. I obviously can't back that one up at all and it's a personal opinion that could be wrong but I think so :p
I haven't caught up yet but I have to say, it takes me 2 fucking hours to catch up before I can post. There's so much stuff to read.
And lately I've not been online on Skype these few days for a long time too, you should know. I've been playing poker at night :D
Sandro thinks I'm scummy because of my activity. You can check my meta on witchcraft mafia. I don't have the luxury of sitting in front of my laptop the whole day =( I kept posting during the usual time even after suspicions were off me, though I'm posting a lot later because I've been playing poker and I have a shitload to read before I get back
+ Show Spoiler [Quote from Witchcraft] +On December 23 2012 04:43 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Why does JieXian disappear literally the second I get in the thread? This is the 3rd day in a row. you do realise that every day, especially around ~9-11Pm gmt+8 I post in huge waves and leave right after that right? On December 23 2012 04:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, but it's hard to get a read on you when your posting is limited by that timeframe. I'm also generally busy during that time.
Since I'm posting I'm going to justify my mayor vote since either 5touch of WBG raised it.
austinmcc : Didn't like his case on stutters at all
Chezinu : Trolling the whole damn game and he may be scum but apparently it's his style and I have yet to read his meta. Don't want a troll for mayor
Toadesstern : Infamous mafia player and suggested some stupid things like voting the village idiot as sherrif and trolling around at times while making a few good points.
His mason claim and log doesn't convince me since mafia can also mason. And the contents mean nothing if he's pretending and I have firsthand experience of his pretending skills :D.
Someone please tell me why are they convinced that Toad is town because of that because he's still a null for me
gonzaw : Started out good but ended up babbling to himself and giving empty promises. Don't trust him with reads and may be scum
Leaving FiveTouch , the player providing clear and good arguments and contributing. Even if he's scum I think he deserves his Mayorial position because he and WBG are appearing very pro town. However nothing is confirmed yet for me since they are vets and good at the game.
It was a no brainer, really. There simply wasn't another alternative.
On January 22 2013 06:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote:*snip* On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. No one would bother to slowly dissect your long post for a time zone when your tag says US. Don't need to give me a defense that was already mentioned, wth can't you even realise yet that I don't think it's very likely that you're scum? I was very worried about being too rude and pissing you off. But I guess I should be clear: I think it's more likely that you didn't change from our first game rather than you being scum. Cool story, if that's the only argument I think you just got lucky that game and you're townie then. Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote:
Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag Wouldn't it be funny if I just hit scum with my time-zone-unawareness-argument and no one still commented on this or how JX dodged my question? He clearly lied about it. Could just have said: "Meh, didn't think about it". Doesn't it make him look like he knows he's guilty? Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:22 Vivax wrote:On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote:
Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag Cool, why did you lie then? This question is especially relevant for the people thinking he's town.
My intentions were clear : I erred and admited my mistake by correcting and announcing that I erred. Your accusation would have been valid if I have actually edited my post.
You're not making any sense. Toad's and Sandro's reads on my were reasonable. Your are being crazy. For that matter, I thought you were American because of your good English.
You're either scum or really really mad or really really stupid. I'm inclined to rule out the last point and I can't decide if you're scum yet but I think it isn't too likely for now, so I think you may be pissed. I'm sorry. Stop going crazy.
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edit: I think it's more that 2 hours, should be about 3 hours.
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On January 22 2013 17:10 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 17:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Toad, just to make it easier to read, do you mean
Character Treats where treats mean
An event or item that is out of the ordinary and gives great pleasure.
or Character Traits where traits mean
A distinguishing quality or characteristic, typically one belonging to a person.
second one.
What is this about?
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On January 22 2013 19:53 Vivax wrote:
Any protective roles should also take a shot at thinking about me. Most people think I'm town as of now, especially more influential ones, I see myself as quite endangered just cause of that.
Mafias aren't retards, you're safe :D
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Seriously stop thinkign so highly of yourself
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It's a really long post so I'll answer it slowly. Formatting isn't easy.
On January 22 2013 23:29 Djodref wrote:
Another thing not speaking in favor of JieXian is his activity level. He had at least 3 pages at the end of D1 in Witchcraft Mini Mafia (town JieXian filter in WC MM) where he was much more annoying and persistent with his reads. I didn't see him here promote anybody of his own by the way.
Fair point, but do note that during D1 I had a townie read on the person that was about to be lynched and I was going crazy. This game, D1 went smoothly as a strong townie looking player (giving him the BOTD because I respect the skills of a vet) was getting mayor and lynching the right guy. As I said earlier, my vote on him was a no brainer and everything was crystal clear. And it was great too that it turned out that I was right about the lynch at least.
On January 22 2013 23:55 Djodref wrote:
@ Oats
Well, I was trying to point out JieXian contradiction. The reason JieXian invokes for not voting Vivax as mayor implies that Vivax is town (him having bad reads and all). But JieXian said before that he was suspicious of Vivax, so I don't understand why he needs this reason not to vote him, and it also looks like JieXian was referring to a town Vivax at this point.
So, maybe a scumslip.
You read it wrongly.
I'm not sure if he's very angry or scum or very very stupid. I'm not sure if he's scum or town. If he's scum and he gets mayor, he can get away with his scum reads more easily because everybody (vets) thinks he's a bad tunnelling townie.
How would the fact that it is his first Mayor game explain his strange first post ? I think he is playing the newbie card here somehow. Please also note the passive-aggressive way he answers to sandroba, saying that sandroba is attacking him because JieXian was suspicious of him first.
I found sandroba's attacks to be quite stupid, in addition to how he ignores everyone elsehence my attitude.My claim that it's my first Mayor game was addressing the fact that people found my question scummy. Gonzaw was the towniest guy at that time and as I said I could change my vote any time and I didn't even vote yet and I really changed it later. A Vet should know that early game votes mean nothing much.
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Addressing Vivax's case
Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:Please lynch JX + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:
*snipped axle coherency comment*
I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.
*question to host and gonzaw vote*
*Joking about earlier game* I took a look at what reads he meant. Written by gonz very early, probably not serious: + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote:
*snip
Seems like sandro flipped scum again.
Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town? Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with. It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized. + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote:
Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread:
1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign.
2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions.
It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps.
There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro. However, in the next post: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote:*snip* Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all. >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote:This needs answers: On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote:I have questions, too: - gonzaw, Axle and JieXian: How is me being afk after my candidacy a "bad thing?". Post your reasoning!
Why would mafia preferably over town not post after the candidacy? Can you enlighten me?
Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor.If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made. Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol. I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence. He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now. Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters? As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor. Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it). Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him. These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads. More or less like this one in the second post after: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says?Vivax mind explaining? He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now. Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro. JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw). He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw. No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then? + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 04:02 Vivax wrote:
@JieXian
Why do you suspect exactly debears out of all lurkers? Cause austin already mentioned him?
Would you still vote for gonzaw as mayor?
@ Clarity
When will you be dropping your promised reads? I am taking back the support until I see something good. I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post. Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:49 Vivax wrote:Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I was looking for an answer, and this is it? You think I am scum cause? I announce my candidacy and then go to sleep? You answer with a metaphor that I don't see apply here anyway? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:50 Vivax wrote:
EBWOP: You think that was scummy behaviour, you didn't express your belief of me being scum yet. Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping. Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum?
A lot of my early game questions were simple questions to help me read. It's my first time playing with the vets and I know nothing about them. Asking for Toad's stance on them will help me and moreover I can get a read off Toad himself. In a vaccumm I might have lynched either Vivax or Sandro but people are complex. I kept asking the other vets too on what they think about each other. It helps me read everyone.
It's fucking D1, my job is to gather information about everybody.
Would you say this to someone you think could be scum?
How many times do I have to repeat this until it sinks in?
I THINK YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO MAKES BAD READS. Either that or you're scum acting dumb. Or you're mad. So I'm trying not be emotional like I used to be with every previous game I've played in and tell myself that dumb arguments aren't necessarily scummy.
You gave me an irrefutable excuse that you were sleeping. Even if I didn't believe you, arguing with you there will not lead anywhere.
"YOURE NOT SLEEPING" "IAM" "NO YOURE NOT" " YES I AM DUMBFUCK"
I explained my mayorial votes earlier
I'd like to add that I'm not alone in thinking you're / may be an idiot. Toad thinks so too and I'm sure the vets do.
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On January 23 2013 03:04 sandroba wrote:
@Oats I see you defended quite a bit of people already, but I don't really see who are your suspects. Can you please tell me who you think the mafia team might be with your reasoning?
@JX I think the same applies to you, can you do the same?
I honestly can't imagine what the mafia team might be doing at this stage because of all the possibilities and this being my first Normal game, only played minis before.
I have weak suspicions on a few people but I had something that stands out from debears. He's uninvolved like a few other people but I can't understand this at all and no one has given me an input yet:
On January 22 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote:Austin sorry your case just looked waaay weaker to me now that Bugs posted his argument against yours and I'm voting for 5touch >_> Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote:On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum I don't get this. Why? ___ I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that. Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots. Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads. Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred I don't know why you're worried at all, beacuse he doesn't have any votes for now and everyone seems to think he's too stupid to be mafia except for 1 person. How could you have missed out the candidates with the highest number of votes : FiveTouch, Chezinu I find that fake paranoia scummy.
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Someone please tell me what they think about that fake paranoia by debears
On January 23 2013 03:46 gonzaw wrote:I don't find Vivax's case convincing to be honest. I skimmed it when he first posted it and it didn't convince me then either. I guess the most "damning" thing in the case is Jiexian asking random questions, but some stuff about "following up the questions", or the first stuff about him "agreeing" with me, seems like nitpicking. I don't really think JX should be a D2 lynch candidate. Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 02:32 JieXian wrote:
gonzaw : Started out good but ended up babbling to himself and giving empty promises. Don't trust him with reads and may be scum What do you mean by this Jiexian? I don't remember giving any empty promises.
My candidacy is based on these 2 things:
1)I'll try to establish my innocence as much as I can
2)I'll try my best to hunt scum today, and everyday from now on
It's nothing too serious. I didn't think you were scumhunting well. Take 5Touch for example, he was really active and doing well. The main reason I changed my mind about you was that you started to babble more and more =(
In my mind you went from townie to null/unsure as the game progressed.
On January 23 2013 03:39 Toadesstern wrote:
When I say people are idiots I mean "people behave like idiots".
I'm not a mean person, or at least it's not intended to be mean but rather my approach on a current situation / happening ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
wtf this is mafia people call each other idiots all the time. Be a man ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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On January 23 2013 03:50 gonzaw wrote:
I get better vibes out of sandro after that chat log.
Even though I'm not comfortable with him being this lazy, something tells me he'd try and be more active as scum, at least slightly.
Like, Toad instantly masons him as soon as D1 starts, and they start chatting. This already gives Toad some "activity" from sandro, but sandro doesn't feel the need to "channel" that activity in the thread?
I'd think scum sandro, when finding (likely town) Toad mason contacted him, and they started talking, he'd try to mirror that activity in the thread.
Also, as I suspected pretty early, sandro being mason with someone would explain some lack of effort from him, since some of that effort would be spent in the mason chat (don't really know how much time you guys chatted though).
That makes sense
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