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On January 15 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: except that I removed the /s from the back half because if you leave them then the kittens disappear. THERE IS A HIDDEN KITTENS THERE. HOW HAS NOBODY NOTICED THIS YET!?[center][blue][b][anchor]kittens[anchor]Roles[b][blue][center] | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote: You're not killing the folks I'm most interested in killing.Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there. Reads + being hard to mess with + probably decent at dealing with being masoned by a couple folks and trying to read them/not give mafia masons info = good mayoral candidate. Therefore, Chez is a good mayoral candidate. IF he comes off strongly town, he should be getting votes. IF he doesn't, then he shouldn't. But I dislike that people are considering him to not even be a possible mayor, because who knows what happens in the next day. My arguments on that point have mainly been that Chez should be a candidate, not that he should be mayor given the first 24 hours of this game. You may disagree that chez could be readable, that he could be a strong town read, but I don't see how it's dissonant that he is a legitimate candidate, and should get votes if he comes off as strongly town + he hasn't come off as strongly town so doesn't have my vote atm. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:00 DearestSnot wrote: Chopped down the quotes, timestamps may be off.I suppose these are reasonable, but I don't want to spread ourselves too thinly. You find a debears lynch "reasonable." How do you feel about a stutters lynch? | ||
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You found JX scummy for his early post:+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which? I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes? ##Vote: gonzaw for mayor And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. [B]On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote: I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all. I actually found that post kind of townie: [B]On January 21 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote: As to JieXian himself, I'm ... not scummy atm. Por queeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Because he's got ONE post really (his chezinu comment doesn't count) *snipped** Look at that post. Things that I like in that post, although small:
Sandro's pointed out reasons he found that post scummy, but I actually find the "irrelevant comments" that Sandro DISLIKES to be things that I get a mild town read off of. You disagree with that in the entirety? Or just still find that post scummy overall? | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:14 sandroba wrote: Okay, fair enough. And yes, that's true for the third point. But he felt the need to go to some other game and grab a quote from there instead of any of the 25 odd pregame posts. I just don't share your read on that post. The second point was just that I overvalue paranoia as a townie, and so when he suggested toad was a jester in a game where we have all the roles in the OP, I just read that as mildly townie paranoia about roles/setupYes i dissagree. 1st point is often advised to new mafia players to do. 2nd point you are actually crazy and don't know what you are saying. He is talking about toad in another game, so it's completely irrelevant to this one. 3rd point if anyone was reading the pregame banter, that's actually a completely useless and obvious thing to point out. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:22 sandroba wrote: Man, he is not suggesting toad is jester in this game at all, he is talking about the previous 6 man game they played together. #readingcomprehension I don't has it. | ||
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But he ALWAYS seems to get mislynched and always seems to look scummy to half the players. There's a stupid paranoid niggle that says "Vivax isn't looking scummy, therefore he's not town," which I'm ignoring because that's just too much. Would still prefer someone else be in that spot, someone I think mafia is really going to want to have to kill. | ||
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(1) annul, not everyone is ignoring your accusations. A couple folks have expressly disagreed with you. Yes, Toad has been throwing out some pure wifom, but that's ... whatever. It happens in any game. Vivax's vote for sandroba doesn't bother me, I'd rather he run for mayor but actually consider other players legitimate candidates then try and shove his campaign down everyone's throats. That's a POSITIVE thing in my mind, "I want to be mayor but I also want the best candidate to be mayor." Yes, that's only one of your initial issues you had with Vivax, but that did not strike me as a scummy contradiction in his actions. (2) You remember when I said Chez was a legitimate candidate and should at least be considered, then got flak for that? Well, I'm still not voting him. But, reading his posts, I got the feeling that he was one of the few people who has posted that they are running who has done anything beyond "I want to be mayor, if you elect me I will lynch this dude (or that dude)." On January 21 2013 11:00 Chezinu wrote: That. Even if it's bs, even if it's almost nothing. We've seen some general "Ah wil be transparint an gud fer yu." And everyone mayoral candidate has a lynch target. But chez, at least if you trust his statements, is actively thinking about how to be mayor beyond today. Moreso than any other candidate. As mayor, I will be more than just a mayor. I will form a great circle like no one has ever seen. This circle will be protected. This circle will survive! For Chezinu loves his circles. If mafia dares to destroy it, they will be destroyed themselves! Is it enough to vote him? No. But...it looks good. And I wish someone else would have pointed this out, because I think it's actually something worth pulling out of his candidacy versus others. (3) STUTTERS. debears has posted some, but I'm not picking up anything strong one way or another. BUT STUTTERS GUYS HOLY CRAP. He returned with a single post - On January 21 2013 03:20 Stutters695 wrote: This post doesn't make me feel any better.Short posts yes, but it was like two hours into the game. I dropped the questions on toad because he answered and the discussion in the thread cleared it up pretty well for me. I'm catching up on the thread now. When I rolled mafia my first time, I had a hard time not taking this out when accused of being mafia. "Well yes, I've been doing x thing that's scummy, but..." where the "but..." is something WEAK. Stutters does that here, picks out a single thing I didn't like, admits to it, and then "but it was early." It doesn't matter if it's early, plenty of folks wrote long early posts (candidacies, general strategies, etc.). Moreover, JUST LOOK AT THE FRIGGIN' POST AND HIS FILTER. There's been way more discussion, way more to look at, comment on, anything. Stutters hasn't done ANY of that. He pops in, says he's catching up, does NOTHING beyond that. This reads to me like someone who came under some fire, dropped by to address, but has been told to keep his head low. To anyone DEFENDING stutters, or who thinks stutters may be town: On January 21 2013 11:09 DearestSnot wrote: I find the suspicion reasonable but I don't think I would lynch either of those players today. Nor would I lynch stutters, particularly because stutters is a player I would firmly put in the "scummy as town" column. I BELIEVE someone else made a comment that they didn't want to lynch stutters, but I have lost that. If you made that comment, let me know plox. This was the only one I remembered. Let's not lynch stutters because stutters is scummy as town. I know I've said that about players this game. But I don't like it as reasoning not to lynch stutters. He did something scummy, and then the followup has also been scummy. He just dipped in, said he was catching up, dipped out. Gave this really weak response to some weak early pressure on him. To me, it reads EXACTLY like he has been told to lay low. Someone brought up the difference between a mayoral D1 and a normal lynch, where players can hide or play poorly because you won't be under constant scrutiny, the discussion is about the mayor and his lynch instead of who is scummy (to some extent, or at least to the extent that it allows more trolling to go unpunished D1). Stutters is harnessing that. Stutters is staying under the radar, his head way down, and everyone is passing him over for other targets that are ... higher profile or more active. Do not forget stutters. Don't pass him over. Read his filter. Read his response, and ask yourself whether a "yes, but" and "now I'm catching up" into silence feels scummy or towny as a response. Stutters should be the mayoral lynch today. | ||
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On January 22 2013 00:44 FiveTouch wrote: So, I generally agree with this. I'll back off pushing that point. I've seen frustrated scumteams when one member who's semi-inactive gets suspicion on him early, but you're right, the general mood in QT then is to try and get the guy to be more active. austin, scumteams don't tell someone to stop posting when they're potentially in trouble. Especially they don't tell them that once the guy said he's catching up on the thread, that he shouldn't post again. Unsure if the amount of pressure that stutters has gotten this game really amounts to much though, so I'd like to try and get some focus back on him. Really one of the only defensive comments that I can remember is Bugs saying he's often scummy as town. I'm not satisfied with that, and I still don't like stutters play, even if you take out the thought that others might be telling him to keep his head down. Do you think that without that point stutters looks fine? Just looks like an inactive dude? As to your lynch candidates, I don't like the contradiction part of the case on prplhz. Yes, he said he didn't like policy lynches and now ran on lynching chezinu. But I don't think all contradictions are scummy, and I don't think contradictory quotes from months ago in a different game + quotes from this game are particularly strong. Both the policy lynch quotes AND the early bullshit at the start of a game quotes span different games and a couple months. There's more merit to the second than the first, people say all sorts of bullshit about policy lynches, but actively saying you're against dumb/flashy entrances to get the game moving and then saying you often do that...is more troubling. In some ways, you reconcile the second contradiction with your own filter-diving of prplhz, though. You grabbed a lot of flashy entrances, or peculiar entrances to threads, and they were from scum games. It's pretty clear that his play does not match up with his statement that he doesn't like starting games off in a certain way to get discussion going, or at least you seem to be saying that with your above post. You think only scum prplhz starts off that way and town prplhz actually practices what he previously preached? Or do you think prplhz's comment about not liking bullshit at the start of the game is bullshit itself? | ||
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Some assorted reasons you should vote me: (1) I found that kittens stuff in the OP. (2) I often write walls of text, but they are legible. (3) I tend to be pretty clear with my thought processes. You may find them absurd (red check on Sandroba in paranoia comes to mind), but I almost always explain my reads and my actions in ways that you can follow. (4) I am thinking about the game longer term than today's lynch. I've noted that the the masons in this game are going to be of particular importance to the mayoral position, as he's likely to get masoned by most/all of them, and needs to know who is scum/town and what information to give out/trust coming in. I think I have toned down my paranoia, but have a healthy sense of mistrust and am relatively difficult to sway. I don't currently plan on setting up some town circle immediately, but I at least notice that Chezinu was talking about that, again...I'm thinking about the mayor position as more than just a lynch today. (5) I will sometimes post paint pictures. But not scum-BH-getting-lynched amounts. (6) I am generally pretty involved in the games I play. I will not be an absentee. (7) You know who I am. I don't think smurfing should disqualify someone from running, nor should being a crazy-play-loving enigma. But you can go through my games, see my posting style, see how I'm usually trying to figure things out, and some of you have a decent handle on how I play from being with me in those games. There's slightly more accountability there, if you're into that. NOW. Check this out. Here are reasons you should NOT vote me. (1) Next Saturday I will be almost entirely unavailable. I don't want an inactive mayor, and I don't want someone who will miss a full cycle. Saturday will be the first half of D3, so ... it's not a full cycle, but that's an important consideration. I have not seen any other candidate discuss their availability, and I don't like the idea that we could elect someone and have them go MIA for a bit. (2) In sort of the same vein, I'm a little behind at work. I will absolutely put in the time if I'm mayor, but I'm not entirely sure how much I can actually play during like 8 AM - 7 PM or so EST. I can read up, and I can post some, but I can't promise to be able to give the game the full treatment during those hours. (3) In the past I have been both overly paranoid AND stupid when I try to scheme. Those are not qualities that you want in a mayor. However, and this part is positive, I have specifically tried to temper those qualities, and in the games that I've played more recently I think I've done okay with that. I felt like I was a good threat-quality monitor and positive influence on...GSL mini 3? Tried specifically to improve my play and the thread itself, rather than just make reads, and I think that was good for the game. Tried to use my abilities to help town in the recent world-swapping mafia, and felt like I did okay with that (noticed things were dead D1, used my ability to try and make things un-dead, but didn't follow through enough after doing so). Ymmv on how much I can actually consciously temper my paranoia and sometimes-stupidity though. I think that's an honest assessment of how my play makes me both a good and bad mayor. I'm still currently looking at stutters as my lynch candidate. Right now on the to-do list is: (1) Look at stutters past games, does he feel scummy as town? If so, does he seem scummy in those games in the same way he seems scummy in this game? (Can feel scummy for different reasons, "scummy as town" is no good, but "looks scummy for x as town and looks scummy for x here" is better). (2) Look more at prplhz, since there's a sizeable group on him. I don't like some of the case on him, but it's got some valid points and shouldn't be ignored. (3) Try and find some little things. Chez thinking about the future, toad early on thinking about solving the game, little bits and pieces that are interesting or can help us get better reads on specific players. (4) Look at Gonzaw hard. If he's town, I think he'd be a solid mayor. He can get caught up in his own scheming just like I can, but he's shown an ability to be able to direct a game/faction if put into a position of power, and that's, again, a valuable quality to have in a mayor. I do not want scumGonzaw in that position though, at all. So he's a lot like Chez for me, in that I really don't want to risk mayor Gonzaw unless we're pretty certain of his alignment. | ||
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On January 22 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: Sandro pointed out that that was a mistake, not FT. Because I actively wanted to follow up with Sandro and see why we'd had a difference of opinion in reading that first JX post.I don't care if the elected roles are smurf, they have to be vets, and they have to be trustworthy. Gonzaw isn't trustworthy for shoveling shit at me for being absent after my candidacy like JX did + trying to be overly politically correct to everyone. austin isn't trustworthy for using artificial reasons to defend JX and picking stutters as lynch candidate. Austin used the argument: "Slight paranoia is townie" cause he wrote something about a Toad jester. Austin clearly didn't give a shit about JXs alignment from the start. That's my interpretation. FT already pointed out that this was a mistake. Seriously, stay the fuck away from gonzaw and austin. I'd rather have Chezinu mayor than these two. Do you actually think the paranoia bullet point was an "artificial reason"? Or do you think that was an honest mistake? | ||
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Some short reasons:
I view Gonzaw as townie because of the above. I know that a lot of those points are all the same thing, in that Gonzaw is never just stopping at a response or an explanation, but continuing to make reads or push his reads. Even so, I like that, and the fact that he's constantly doing that makes it feel more genuine and townie to me. | ||
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On January 22 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote: I don't know sandro particularly well, beyond reputation. We played in Bureaucracy, where I thought he was lying. We played in Paranoia, where he replaced in and I knew he was scum. He died in Chrono Trigger before I joined, but was scum. We were both town in world-swapping mafia, and I did find his reads good there and paid attention to his posts, but he died N1. We played in looney lynching, but iirc he was gone for most of D1 and almost got himself killed. I do not remember his reads being particularly great that game, iirc he was on prplhz's case and prplhz flipped town. So, not tons of experience with him as a player.I think it was sloppiness that I wouldn't expect to have happened if you were town. I think you were creating paper reasons to defend JX. As vet you should know best about sandros accuracy, and you making such a mistake while analysing sandros scumread shows that you were sloppy where you shouldn't be. It was a big mistake. We don't have a jester, and you didn't follow JXs line of thought. Following the line of thought is essential in finding scum, so I assume you didn't have that intention when commenting on his post, intention you should have when sandro points it out and you are town. As to the rest, that's fine. Yes, I misread that part of JX's post. I still don't find that post scummy, however. That wasn't the only thing I picked up from JX's post that I read as mildly townie, and overall I'm just not convinced on the scumminess of that post. | ||
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On January 22 2013 01:35 FiveTouch wrote: I guess I'm just used to seeing prplhz get lynched early on, and most of the games I've been involved in they've been mislynches. Rock Band, looney lynching, are the ones that come to mind for town prplhz getting pressured off the bat but flipping town. I know that I've read or obsed a few games in which the same thing happened with him as mafia though, can't remember names but he claimed cop D1 in some mini and lived for a while/til endgame.austin, I agree Stutters doesn't look good, and agree with what you said, apart from what I highlighted already. My issue with a Stutters lynch is that it's very similar to prplhz (bad entrance, bad followup), except prplhz has done more and worse than Stutters, so he's a better lynch. In the town games I looked at from prplhz, I did not find one instance of him entering in a 'trolly' way, as opposed to the multitude of scumgames provided. This is why I have asked prplhz to provide me with an example - I don't think it exists. I'm looking at him and stutters more, but maybe I'm just overly wary of early prplhz lynches because I keep seeing wagons get built on him that can't be derailed, whether by scum or town. | ||
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Newbie XXVI Stutters is a vigi. Active D1, not so much after that, gets a small amount of pressure. Says this being active was the anomaly? (That's what I got from a quick, quick filter dive). Noted that he had read past games, asked to have someone's filter added to the OP, had a plan for when and how he claimed as vigi. Shows me that he's read games, was actively reading/trying to read through this game (asking for filters to be added), and had a general game plan. Newbie XXVII Modkilled D2 for not voting. However, again shows signs of activity and ... playing the dang game - Filter. He gets on kush early, sees something and finds it scummy + asks questions. Then stays on kush. Follows up, asks more questions, even when he says he has become unsure on kush, he's still actively poking kush and trying to get a read. He also has Real Thoughts. There are others, but I've pulled that one out as a decent example. He's reading thread, gives his own opinion with reasoning to back it up, participates even in a game where he got modkilled later for not voting. Newbie XXVIII Town again. Modkilled again for not voting  . Based off the vote counts, he picked up 0 votes on D2 and 0 votes on D3, which leads me to believe that people DID NOT interpret him as scummy while being town. More short posts, a lot of "i have to go because of x" and "i'm back from x." Not nearly as much participation, not as much meat, but a little.Whose Line Replaced in. Basic thoughts. Seems to be getting pressured some. Responses have actual reasons. responds to some cases and pushes them forward. Did have suspicion on him. Did get mislynched. I wasn't in the game and didn't read along. Replaced into the game though, so I'm not giving this a ton of credence. YANMM Again town. Survived til endgame. I see him having 1-2 votes for a couple days, but those votes were ONLY from bugs and vivax, and vivax was scum that game. Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. I DO NOT see the suspicion that Bugs mentioned, except in the two most recent games, and I don't see the votes corresponding with that suspicion in YANMM. It was just bugs and vivax. I DID NOT PLAY YANNM OR WHOSE LINE. I HAVE NOT FULLY READ THEM. NOR HAVE I READ ANY OTHER FULL STUTTERS GAME. However, in looking at his filters, I see much more play than here. When he's gone, he says so, comes back, posts actual thoughts. He has suspicions, he makes cases, he is playing the game. Here, he has not played the game. His posts look like empty questions and nothing, which goes directly against his play in other games. I do not buy "he looks scummy as town" based on a replacement game and a game where only scum and bugs voted for him. Bugs, you're more than welcome to refute this and give me some other people who thought stutters was scummy, but upon scanning his past games I'm MORE convinced he's scum this game. Everyone else, there are the games he's played. You're welcome to check them for yourselves. I find stutters scummy this game, and more scummy after reading his other games. | ||
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On January 22 2013 01:45 Vivax wrote: I am used to stutters playing like that day1. I remember pushing him myself for behaving like that when I was scum in YANMM. Why pick him out of other lurkers, austin? See the very first post I made on him. He asked some dinky nothingquestions, and didn't follow them up. I'm not "picking him out of other lurkers," I actively read his posts and didn't like them, he comes off scummy. Upon reading up on him, he comes off scummy. "Picking someone out of other lurkers" is a silly phrase. If you think I'm scummy, say so, but "picking someone out of other lurkers" is a scummy thing to do. It implies that I looked through the lurkers, found one to pin a mislynch on, and rolled with it. When in actuality, his post is just bad and his play since then hasn't changed my mind. | ||
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On January 22 2013 02:11 FiveTouch wrote: The fact you're not taking issue with Oatsmaster, austin, is worrisome. I AM BUT ONE MAN. Looking at prplhz a little now, oatsmaster comes after. But I wanted to look at stutters and gonzaw. | ||
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On January 22 2013 02:11 yamato77 wrote: Austin, Stutters definitely plays like this day 1 as town, I played with him in YANMM and it looks identical. Did you play with him in the other three games linked above? If so, does his play this game look identical to those? If not, does his play this game look identical to those? | ||
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austinmcc
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On January 22 2013 02:11 FiveTouch wrote: The fact you're not taking issue with Oatsmaster, austin, is worrisome. Okay, swapping to actually look at oats over others, because he's more interesting and you're going to give me grief here. Oats has an asston of one-liners. Lots of one-liner questions, snarky one-liner comments. His town game in Newbie XXXV, died N1 as vigi, generally has more commentary and it's not just one liners. But there are still a decent amount of small questions, lots of little brief posts. He was scum in Newbie XXXII. That filter is FULL of small questions. Jesus that filter is horrendous. Link. It's all short, it's all quippy, lots of dinky little questions. Also managed to rack up a 7-page filter of one-liners and crap. Chrono was heavily themed, but his posts are slightly longer there from what I can see. However, his filters in both newbie games are full of little quips and questions, but slightly more when he was scum (imo). That's all past games, though. This game... I find him to be really inconsistent in his stuff about his early defense of JX. Saying there was pressure, saying there wasn't but a wagon might form, etc. That stuff doesn't look good. He's also nicely inconsistent on you, fivetouch. To some extent that may be connected to your wanting to lynch him, which I'll admit would make me not want to vote someone for mayor. I find this post townie - + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote: What made you change your mind Fivetouch? I thought your answer to why you didnt want to be mayor was So what changed? Yamato So red flag became null read? Why? He's commented more on JX than anyone else, imo. Lots of bringing that up and using it. Just an interesting thing in his filter. I'm not as clear-cut on oats as you guys are. He's not just null, there are definitely townie and scummy parts of his filter. Just not sure how I'm weighing them atm. To the extent you find him scummy based off posting style, his posting in past games looks scummy to me regardless of alignment, at least in terms of how much of it is one-liners, small questions. Someone who thinks he's scummy, talk with me about that yamato post. Does it do anything for you at all, even if it doesn't change your mind? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2013 02:26 DearestSnot wrote: I don't think he should be lynched off of meta. But you, specifically, noted that he felt scummy as town. I wanted to check up on that and make sure.Austin, 3 of us have said that he plays the same, and all three of us have played at least one game with him. I personally don't hold newbie games to that high of a regard when considering meta, and the fact that you found multiple instances of him being modkilled simply furthers the idea that he plays inactively as town. I wouldn't say I'm confident he's town, but I will certainly say that you cannot call him scum based on meta. He's definitely a worse pick than even slightly scummy players in this game, and I would warrant that he is much worse than both Oats and prplhz. Gonna catch up on reading since all I caught was the last page. What I found was that he may have felt scummy to you guys last game, but that both doesn't seem to be the case in his earlier games AND the votes in YANMM don't line up with strong suspicion. He survived until endgame, and in the votecounts never had a vote from someone not you or scum. There's some kind of line between looking scummy and looking scummy enough to garner votes/get lynched. Maybe you guys always had better candidates, I don't know, but I don't think the looks scummy while being town defense holds at all. Which leaves me still finding his play THIS GAME to be scummy, and worth lynching him over. I don't want to lynch him on meta, but the only positive comment I saw flung his way was your meta-comment, which just doesn't check out for me. I'd disagree that he's a worse lynch than other players, and he remains my top candidate. When you catch up, talk to me about oats. In a vacuum, how does that post of his on yamato read? | ||
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