EPTWarbaby, the town medic has been lynched. It is now night 2, you have approximately 23 hours to the deadline. Please send any pms to both myself and marv.
Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVI - Page 30
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Stutters695
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Warbaby, the town medic has been lynched. It is now night 2, you have approximately 23 hours to the deadline. Please send any pms to both myself and marv. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
Alright guys, N2 could be interesting -- does mafia kill the confirmed town (Zare) or the cop claim (Sn0) ? Both should prepare a will for just before daypost. @Sn0 assuming you are telling the truth, do not waste N2 check in vain -- you might actually survive the night. You get to pick from four players, 50/50 chance of hitting scum, significantly better odds if you pick intelligently. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I don't even know anymore. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
cDgCorazon: TOWN - conditional on Sn0_Man actually being cop cakepie: so far the vote and general attitude have me leaning TOWN Slayalot: this is not about lurking anymore, but deliberate inactivity and refusal to participate in the scumhunt. SCUM Sn0_Man: If he is scum, then he attacked Corazon d1 with the intention of proving him innocent d2, but Corazon wasn't under any scrutiny d1 apart from Sn0... plus the breadcrumbing early in the day... it doesn't make sense to me. Also, he switched off warbaby at the end and there is no way to tell if the precise last minute posting was intentional or not. Still, I noticed something but I'm not sure I want to talk about it yet. There is definitely a possible scenario where the scum team is Sn0_Man+Corazon but it requires no one to counterclaim cop which is a 50/50 gamble on their part. Tough call but... when in doubt refer to the simplest explanation, so: TOWN zarepath: playing about the same as in XXXV where he was town. N1 results + warbaby's claim make him a pretty strong TOWN read. glurio: Refused to switch off warbaby, general inactivity + there's no one else = SCUM | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On January 31 2013 11:50 Acid~ wrote: Sn0_Man: [...] plus the breadcrumbing early in the day... [...] Where is this breadcrumb? I must have missed it. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
On January 31 2013 11:58 zarepath wrote: If there is a JK, they NEED to role claim. It means that Sn0_Man was lying. Plus JK's N1 target who failed to report being blocked. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 31 2013 11:55 cakepie wrote: Where is this breadcrumb? I must have missed it. First one, earliest: Second one: On January 31 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: I have a plenty strong town read on you, don't worry about your own image, nail the scum. If he turns out doctor its me and acid who screwed up. Voting acid when he clearly won't get lynched today is not helping town. All you do is make the scum votes more powerful by throwing yours away. Third one: On January 31 2013 07:54 Sn0_Man wrote: Warbaby can't properly scumhunt until we kill the last 2 lurkers, yet from day 1 he was self-proclaimed "scumhunting" and anybody who questioned him was clearly scum-loving. Can we PLEASE kill Warbaby? @Acid: are you seriously voting cora? o_o where did everything go so wrong... Cora is *not* scum. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 31 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote: Glurio looks scummiest right now -- I have no idea why Cora and Sn0 parked their votes thusly, but Glurio isn't "confirmed town" by Sn0's uncontested cop claim. Wait, did I miss something? Who claimed glurio was confirmed town? Cora is confirmed town *if* Sn0_Man is cop. You played with us in XXXV, what is your read on Sn0_Man? | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On January 31 2013 12:15 Acid~ wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 31 2013 11:55 cakepie wrote: Where is this breadcrumb? I must have missed it. First one, earliest: Second one: On January 31 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: I have a plenty strong town read on you, don't worry about your own image, nail the scum. If he turns out doctor its me and acid who screwed up. Voting acid when he clearly won't get lynched today is not helping town. All you do is make the scum votes more powerful by throwing yours away. Third one: On January 31 2013 07:54 Sn0_Man wrote: Warbaby can't properly scumhunt until we kill the last 2 lurkers, yet from day 1 he was self-proclaimed "scumhunting" and anybody who questioned him was clearly scum-loving. Can we PLEASE kill Warbaby? @Acid: are you seriously voting cora? o_o where did everything go so wrong... Cora is *not* scum. Oh, those, I'd noted them already, but I don't really count those as breadcrumbs -- I thought you meant Sn0 used steganography in N1 to indicate his intended action. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Why Warbaby Got Lynched I'm sorry Zare, but this post of yours disturbs me. On January 31 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote: Glurio looks scummiest right now -- I have no idea why Cora and Sn0 parked their votes thusly, but Glurio isn't "confirmed town" by Sn0's uncontested cop claim. I'm going to explain this below, but I'm going to announce the point I'm trying to make before I provide the evidence: Zarepath is the reason that Warbaby was lynched While Zarepath obviously was not the direct cause of Warbaby, but his case was so stupid and full of WIFOM that I basically had to make an association case between the two to vote for WB. Remember, I was all for voting on Acid and sticking to my vote. I said multiple times that I thought Warbaby is bad town. And guess what? I was right! Let's take a look at Zare's case (I've put it in a spoiler to save space): + Show Spoiler + On January 31 2013 08:23 zarepath wrote: CORAZON IS SCUM ##Vote cDgCorazon If warbaby is telling the truth, and we have no counterclaim to say otherwise, I was set to be lynched N1. What happened N1? I made a case on Corazon. What happened afterwards? corazon made a post defending himself from my read but also going out of his way to say that I was a good town and doing good work. Medic sees that and thinks, "Oh, Corazon likes zarepath; he must not be mafia." Day 2. I assumed all of his posturing with warbaby was to make warbaby look like a bad town so we wouldn't lynch him -- in reality, it was to get him riled up so that we would lynch him but he would look like he was in the right to only consider him bad town. He goes out of his way to say "We have wasted our day going between warbaby and Acid," he always talks about how it's ONLY between those two (nice for mafia planning for us to have to choose between two townies). Corazon has looked scummy, but now that I truly bleieve warbaby is telling the truth, Corazon looks VERY scummy. Basically, this case is all speculation and WIFOM. He believes that because I thought he was being a good town, I decided to kill him. He goes on to say that I cause Warbaby to think that Zarepath was a good town target. The first problem is here. If I am scum and secretly thought that Zarepath was a good town, I would not have said it out loud. He's basically saying that I was trying to attack the doctor to attack Zarepath, and then attack Zarepath. That is such a stupid strategy that there's no way it could have worked. He's assuming I'm bad scum, which is absolutely stupid. He goes on to say that I was trying to get everyone to lynch Warbaby. If that was so, why did I not vote for WB over Acid in the first place? It's just more speculation and confirmation bias. The reason that this was the reason that WB died was because if Zare hadn't made such a pathetic case on me, I wouldn't have been forced to make a case with massive amounts of WIFOM to vote for WB. I had to make a move to save myself. If Zare had used his brain and known that his case was confirmation bias and WIFOM and had no logical base, I wouldn't have had to vote for WB to defend myself. The fact that you're trying to push the blame of the lynch on someone else is ridiculously scummy. Zare you are indirectly (and I'm using the loosest possible meaning of "indirectly") responsible for WB's death. Don't put it on me or anyone else. It's time you owned up for your actions. For the rest of you, you should've called out the WIFOM in the case. Sn0 was the only one who managed to do so. You guys need to analyze these cases and make better decisions based on them. Zare, you had a good case going there until you decided to use WIFOM and confirmation bias to try to get me to be lynched. WB's blood is on your hands, and you need to make up for it. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On January 31 2013 14:05 cDgCorazon wrote: The fact that you're trying to push the blame of the lynch on someone else is ridiculously scummy. Zare you are indirectly (and I'm using the loosest possible meaning of "indirectly") responsible for WB's death. Don't put it on me or anyone else. It's time you owned up for your actions. And you, the hammer vote on warbaby, are trying to blame Zare for the mislynch, because On January 31 2013 14:05 cDgCorazon wrote: but his case was so stupid and full of WIFOM that I basically had to make an association case between the two to vote for WB. Are you fucking serious? You are blaming someone else's bad case for your poor judgement? Go back to NMM33 and look at the lessons learned for town -- you'll see that making association cases before flips are a really really bad idea. (Chrom, Mocsta) Maybe you didn't pay attention because you were scum back then. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
If you are, you need to explain how he can be scum despite being confirmed town by warbaby's flip (warbaby says he protected him N1, we had no kill N1 and your theory of scum skipping the kill doesn't hold up after war's flip since it relies on war being scum). Also, zare didn't vote for warbaby, he voted for you and then switched to Slayalot to consolidate with town. How is that scummy, in light of the flip? His action actually almost saved warbaby, which is not something scum would do. You're making no sense, AGAIN. I'm sorry but no one forced you to vote for warbaby in the first place and I don't see anyone accusing you of sealing warbaby's fate anyway. The reason that this was the reason that WB died was because if Zare hadn't made such a pathetic case on me, I wouldn't have been forced to make a case with massive amounts of WIFOM to vote for WB. I had to make a move to save myself. This is so scummy it makes me sick. Your vote is your own responsibility. You don't vote to save yourself, you vote to lynch SCUM. A post like this really gives me a hard-on for my sno/cora scum team theory. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I'm pretty sure XXXIII meant not making associated cases based on information from flips. In the heat of the moment, it looked like scum making a new wagon to take pressure off of one of them. If you thought it was such a bad case, more of you should have called him out on the bad case. I wasn't sure if I was going to get lynched, and I had to leave in 15 minutes. I did whatever I could to save myself. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I want to hear Zare's response to this before I decide if he's scum or not. You know, giving people a chance to defend themselves... | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 31 2013 14:24 cDgCorazon wrote: Well desperate times call for desperate measures. I didn't want to die, so I had to make a case equally as stupid as Zare's in order to not die. Seriously, this is your argument? You'll do anything not to die? As VT, which is your claim, your vote is your most precious power. Wasting it is treason to town. I did whatever I could to save myself. QED. | ||
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