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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 30 2013 23:41 GMT
#481
Your defense wasn't very compelling.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 23:46 GMT
#482
So, we have located the bandwagon scum wishes to push, and it is on corazon. Somewhat interesting.

Is it currently 3-2 in favour of lynching cora with acid, zare and war all for cora, cora for acid and me/slay on warbaby? interesting.
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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#483
Corazon arguing that we had a good chance of lynching scum from lurkers Day 1 and then turning around and saying we had NO chance after the flip, all of Corazon's over the top facetious comments towards warbaby and yet distancing himself by calling him bad town, while still framing the days' vote between Acid and warbaby, while still condemning town for only looking at Acid and warbaby (in a fatalistic way, not in a way suggesting that we look at other people now), while remaining pretty silent and letting others pressure warbaby about his soft town claim -- as soon as warbaby started suggesting the medic claim, corazon was nowhere to be seen.

I feel pretty good about this one.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
January 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#484
On January 31 2013 06:26 warbaby wrote:
If cora is scum town is fucked. Watch this guy.


I really believe this. Cora accuses Acid of being shady, but I feel now it's Cora who is most shady in this game.

And shadyness is definitely scummy.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
January 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#485
On January 28 2013 05:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well there's a 1/3rd chance that we lynch the right player if we LAL today. So there's not much to lose on a lurker lynch.

I really hope that all three of them aren't mafia, because if they do not vote and get modkilled (I hope I'm not breaking a rule by saying that) there are some scary players waiting in the replacement section if they're all mafia.

Just theorycrafting. Hosts let me know if I broke any rules by speculating about it.


Not only is this wrong, as I pointed out on my case against warbaby (this is the part where I admit my tunneling prevented me from noticing Corazon was the first to mention the 1/3 chance), but it directly contradicts this:

On January 28 2013 10:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well, the chances of us getting a scum D1 were zero. I'm gonna relook over the day's events and let you all know if I find anything of importance.


We go from "not much to lose on a lurker lynch" to "well we didn't have a chance anyway".

And then, there it is:

On January 31 2013 00:37 cDgCorazon wrote:

I don't believe I contradicted myself when I said that 33% (it's actually 2/9, which I believe is around 22%. Don't quote me on that though) was still a low percentage.


Re: pushing us against each other:

On January 30 2013 07:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright, so after taking Acid's response into account, here is my action for D2 (barring something crazy).

To me, this day has come down to "Should we lynch WB or Acid?".


You are the first to introduce this notion and now you can't lie your way out of it. It's right there in the quote.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 30 2013 23:50 GMT
#486
On January 31 2013 08:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
So, we have located the bandwagon scum wishes to push, and it is on corazon. Somewhat interesting.


Scum would rather that they bandwagon on an obvious choice, not go out of their way to make a new one on somebody else and put themselves out there on the flip. I don't like how you make this an absolute without even considering that the people voting for Corazon aren't scum.

What do you think of warbaby's claim? Because if he's telling the truth, he and I are most likely town, and you just called us scum bandwagoners.

But you took your vote off of warbaby. If you think he's scum, why isn't it still there?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 30 2013 23:50 GMT
#487
Alright guys, I'm going to make this quick. I'm claiming VT. That's right. I'm a Vanilla townie.

My proposed scumteam is WB and Zare, and here's why.

WARNING: MASSIVE WIFOM BOMBS
I think WB and Zare are both scum. WB has officially bitten the hand that feeds, which I absolutely hate from anyone. It's scummy.

Zare has only made cases on me and WB since he has played the game.

Here's what I think their plan is:
Sn0 points out the inconsistencies in things I've said N1. Zare basically steals everything Sn0 says and says I am scum and makes a whole case against me.

Their plan is to not attack anyone, so Warbaby can claim doctor and Zare can say that I attacked him because he made a case against me and I called him a good town (basically everything he used in his argument against me).

Acid tunnels WB and I tell both of them to stop it. Warbaby and Zare both know that I was against them tunneling each other, and WB continues to tunnel Acid and get me to argue with him and waste three pages of thread space, which means that I can be blamed for being a distraction to town.

Zare begins to bus WB because he thinks that WB is going to die. However, once he sees that the pressure on WB lifts, he decides to get me voted out, using his silly reasoning and giant amounts of WIFOM due to what actually happened. Why do you think he was so spot on in what he thought scum did?

Zare and WB have come up with an elaborate plan that involves them exploiting the holes in my play and making them bigger in order to get me lynched. That way, they can get a town player killed, and escape at least some of the blame.

Do you notice how both of them have twisted my words and made lies about what I did?

I'd vote Zare off today, but WB is more likely to die.

##Unvote
##Vote: Warbaby
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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 30 2013 23:52 GMT
#488
EBWOP: apparently snoman didn't unvote, never mind that point
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 30 2013 23:52 GMT
#489
@ Acid: I never said there was much to gain about LALing D1. I just didn't say there was much to lose. There is a difference between the two.

It was a low-risk, most likely low-reward move LALing on D1.
Grubby's #1 Fan
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 30 2013 23:53 GMT
#490
HOW IS WARBABY SCUM IF NOBODY ELSE CAN CONTRADICT HIS MEDIC CLAIM?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 30 2013 23:54 GMT
#491
BECAUSE THE MEDIC HAS BEEN WARNED TO NOT COUNTER-CLAIM. ARE YOU READING THE THREAD?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 23:54 GMT
#492
On January 31 2013 08:53 zarepath wrote:
HOW IS WARBABY SCUM IF NOBODY ELSE CAN CONTRADICT HIS MEDIC CLAIM?


only 5 of 8 players even appear to have read the thread since he claimed
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Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
January 30 2013 23:57 GMT
#493
On January 31 2013 08:50 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright guys, I'm going to make this quick. I'm claiming VT. That's right. I'm a Vanilla townie.

My proposed scumteam is WB and Zare, and here's why.

WARNING: MASSIVE WIFOM BOMBS
I think WB and Zare are both scum. WB has officially bitten the hand that feeds, which I absolutely hate from anyone. It's scummy.

Zare has only made cases on me and WB since he has played the game.

Here's what I think their plan is:
Sn0 points out the inconsistencies in things I've said N1. Zare basically steals everything Sn0 says and says I am scum and makes a whole case against me.

Their plan is to not attack anyone, so Warbaby can claim doctor and Zare can say that I attacked him because he made a case against me and I called him a good town (basically everything he used in his argument against me).

Acid tunnels WB and I tell both of them to stop it. Warbaby and Zare both know that I was against them tunneling each other, and WB continues to tunnel Acid and get me to argue with him and waste three pages of thread space, which means that I can be blamed for being a distraction to town.

Zare begins to bus WB because he thinks that WB is going to die. However, once he sees that the pressure on WB lifts, he decides to get me voted out, using his silly reasoning and giant amounts of WIFOM due to what actually happened. Why do you think he was so spot on in what he thought scum did?

Zare and WB have come up with an elaborate plan that involves them exploiting the holes in my play and making them bigger in order to get me lynched. That way, they can get a town player killed, and escape at least some of the blame.

Do you notice how both of them have twisted my words and made lies about what I did?

I'd vote Zare off today, but WB is more likely to die.

##Unvote
##Vote: Warbaby


Just so I understand this correctly: you claim that the scum plan was to waste a night kill in order to secure a day lynch which would cast severe suspicions on them both after you flipped town?

If they wanted to get rid of you so bad, why wouldn't they just kill you N1?

A wise and handsome man told me after the last game to always KISS. The most simple explanation is often the correct one.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 30 2013 23:58 GMT
#494
Like, seriously, how is it even possible? there is no way for scum to know whether there is a medic or not -- it would be suicide for scum to claim medic without knowing if there actually is one or not. he did so early in the day (not as early as we would've liked obviously) with plenty of time for a counterclaim.

Corazon yet somehow thinks we are a scum team? We've tied ourselves to each other in a super obvious way -- he with claiming the save, me with believing him and defending him. this would be the worst scum play in the world -- well, second worst, after claiming medic several hours before lynch deadline without knowing whether there's a medic.

There is no rationale behind Corazon believing us both to be scum -- he is just trying to save himself by putting a fourth vote on warbaby under awful reasoning. He is willfully ignoring AN UNCONTESTED ROLE CLAIM.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 30 2013 23:58 GMT
#495
At this point, I could actually see something like an acid/zare scumteam but we can't lynch one of them in time I don't think. Still fairly confident warbaby is scum though.
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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 30 2013 23:59 GMT
#496
On January 31 2013 08:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
BECAUSE THE MEDIC HAS BEEN WARNED TO NOT COUNTER-CLAIM. ARE YOU READING THE THREAD?

And then asked repeatedly by the same person to claim anyway!

There is no way a medic in his right mind would NOT counter-claim right now.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 30 2013 23:59 GMT
#497
Imagine if I hadn't put this to light and I get lynched.

WB can still have a valid doctor claim (unless someone counter claims).
Zare could chalk it up to the scum not thinking about the plan that he proposed.

You would probably be on the chopping block.
Grubby's #1 Fan
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 31 2013 00:00 GMT
#498
On January 31 2013 08:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
At this point, I could actually see something like an acid/zare scumteam but we can't lynch one of them in time I don't think. Still fairly confident warbaby is scum though.


You yourself have been begging fo ra counterclaim... how can you be so confident with an uncontested claim? This doesn't make any sense to me.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 31 2013 00:01 GMT
#499
You're trying to use the "so-scummy-it-can't-possibly-be-scummy" defense.

Alright guys, I have to go. I hope you all listen to me, and if you do decide to lynch me, look at my theory and all of my reads after I flip VT. Thanks.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
January 31 2013 00:01 GMT
#500
On January 31 2013 08:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
At this point, I could actually see something like an acid/zare scumteam but we can't lynch one of them in time I don't think. Still fairly confident warbaby is scum though.


Glad to see you finally showing your true colors.

Guys, when warbaby flips medic you know we need to lynch Corazon and Snoman, right?
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