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scumlist scumminess from bottom to top. The higher the townier:
supersoft
thrawn2112
- refused to say he's town
"yes, i wonder this as well" lol. yeah sure. i dont buy it.
"it'd be fun to be a scumteam again, skyping was more fun than posting in the real thread in that game" - pointless -
"no/yes of course, duh"
-votes sloosh
good case on sloosh. +
catches wbgs bad case +
keeps up agressive scumhunting. +
Hapahauli
spammer townie ++
still annoys me with his pointless question about that possible scumslip of zentor. GOTTA READ MORE OF THIS GUY, FLYING UNDER MY RADAR
Hopeless1der §
I am town. + excuse -
First, I'm no longer convinced of my scumread, but here's my explanation for my reasoning +
SS should not have been able to retroactively apply Prom's post to wbg's "scum"read. - that doesnt matter at all, i wanted to give my current thoughts, and not something old. Good catch doesnt mean wbg catched him, it means in general a good catch right now in this particualr moment and not in the past. i didnt want to honor wbg here.
Is also drastically out of place because he's half buddying sloosh while calling him scum and also, Sloosh has never exhibited suspicion towards Zentor, showing SS is not reading the thread. complete meaningless. I just wanted something to talk about with sloosh. My vote never is graved in stone.
= votes me for terrible reasons
okay case against lazer +
MrZentor
"Super, Jay is town. -.-" scumslip ?
is the older cousin. defend is naturally - how does he know he's town, is still the question
says he can read jay because of one post of his --
wrong thought about what scum does and what not.
confuses kush and jay even though jay is his cousin?
makes good jokes and sees that wbg is strange ++
Xatalos
understands me +
actively defending himself +
grush57
I am town. +
"How do you know?
scum with supersoft hmm?" ++
disappeared ----
jaybrundage
zentor says hes town +
Ruuch
newbie
missing -
wherebugsgo
talks to me -/+
decent list +
bad case
terrible scumreads, abandoned prom?! Why on earth
doesnt defend me, even though talks to me all the time.
defends me finally, cares to explain some things ++ as scum he should have lynched me. Probably too risky after zentor thrawn and hapa defended me?
_________________________________________ no lynch d1
i am really undecided yet. I dont like the X-case - really hard to place him in my list.
slOosh
calls my stuff BS, hides behind common opinions --
bad case on easy xatalos -
really bad reasoning accusing me ---
votes prom !!!
reasonable second appearance ++
_________________________________________ no lynch d1
Promethelax §§
pointless questions, didnt read --
terrible case on me, defending his scumbuddy sloosh
case contains one quote of myself. extremely fake or extremely terrible.
Either stupid as shit or scum.
Ay did get his facts about me straight. Actually really read my meta ++
Votes Lazer
Kushm4sta now Lazermonkey §§§
pissed because the host said he'd modkill him if he goes retard. ++
buddys me -
funny guy though +
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after the replacement absolutely ridiculous case against me ------------
He was also wrong about me last game. completely different playstyle compared to his townstyle.
useless vote on Jay for bad reasons, i share hopeless opinion here.
## unvote
right now i am really undecided. just wanted to leave you my updated list here. I won't be able to check the thread for a couple of hours
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On January 15 2013 00:44 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 00:41 supersoft wrote:
different question though:
You and lazer both voted me. You think i am scum with him?
kush buddied up with me. You think scum would do that? Not sure where I stand on you. I'm not dealing with associative crap until I see flips. My suspicions on kush had little to do with you, neither does my read on Lazer. I've seen a day 1 bus that lasted multiple cycles, so what scum may or may not do is a waste of time right now. I think Lazer is scummier than you.
do you?
On January 15 2013 00:26 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 17:12 Promethelax wrote:
well in that case I am going to bed. I hope some of you will be able to take your heads out of your asses and look at my case on ScumMonkey.
Hopeless, when you get back I'd like you to comment on the use of your new policy and if you think it should be applied and why or why not.
I'd like comments from everyone by tomorrow on lynching lazer vs lynching Xat. I'd prefer LM (obviously).
goodluck town! I'll be in sporadically tomorrow. Thrawn's toeing the line, but hasn't actually tried to push for your lynch yet, so no, not policy worthy. I also agree with your sentiment that Super isn't getting lynched. ##Unvote: supersoft
your reason for not voting for super was the same as prom's, which was that he's not going to get lynched.
did the scum qt tell you to switch off of super?
Can you explain your comment about thrawn toeing the line? Idk what policy you're referring to
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Lol, you guys. Can you please explain why you are voting me again? And don't just say ''Hopeless made a good case'', because it was bullshit.
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Holy FUCK, the more I look at the case, the more I realizehow bad of a case that is, Hopeless. Can YOU explain how the points in your case even makes me scum? Your case is like, ''well Lazermonkey is a monkey and monkeys like bananas, thus Lazermonkey is scum. ''. It does not make any sense what so ever.
The fact that SS is sheeping it is blowing my mind in pieces.
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super, I challenge the spot you've given hopeless on that list. go through his filter and pay attention to what his scumreads are, and when and why he decides to push them. his story doesnt make sense
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On January 14 2013 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:38 jaybrundage wrote:On January 14 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think xatalos is a fine lynch for today, but I need to read up on his past games to make sure that he is the best lynch.
I don't agree with lynching super, so whoever is on him should probably consider moving their votes. On reread Hopeless doesn't seem that bad, just really lazy. I want him to actually do something though, or I may consider pushing him tomorrow, assuming I'm alive.
Ruuch: play the game or I'll stop giving you the newbie free card.
##vote Xatalos
Why Xatalos over SS I think both of played scummy so far. WBG Answer this plz. I could lynch either one. But imma gonna go ahead and go with Xatalos. I dont like his posts. His attack of me doesnt seem to have much merit. I dont like his hard flip on Kush. Hes calling me out for doing nothing when hes done less. He throws some baseless accusations at me and just seems like hes trying ot go for an easy mislynch. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 07:52 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting. Da fuck I have been scum hunting have you read my filter. I was pressuring Supersoft, and defending a town read I have. Dont throw baseless accusations at me. Atm your looking kinda scummy you ask questions in the thread never draw any conclusions about the things you ask. You have a scum read on Kush and then when he changes his read on Mr.Zentor you say that hes too scummy to be scum hes town. ????? dafuq Thats after a single fucking small post. You got lynched last game day one for you 180's that make no damn sense and your doing them again this game. The only thing that make's me hesitate to lynch you is that your such giant lynch bait. I also am not sure about Kush both of you guys have such fluctuating reads. Kush goes from this guy is scum vote. To oh wait ok hes not scum. To explaining why hes prolly not scum to being scum again. Like is this normal? I'm trying to find any actual scumhunting in your filter, but it's just not there. - You called Kush scummy for entering the thread in an anti-town fashion (extremely easy to attack a controversial player like that, and you never pursued this read anyway - you even corrected that his play was anti-town and not scummy later, so what caused this significant change of wording?) - You called supersoft useless (not scummy though - this stab at supersoft was extremely unimpactful, weak and definitely neither pressure nor scumhunting, it achieved nothing for the thread) And now you actually freak out and start accusing me suddenly. Is the pressure too much? Why would a townie react like that? I bet it's because you're scum and desperate to get off this situation. Combined with your absolute lack of effort to progress scumhunting so far, you're a very decent lynch at the moment. ##Vote jaybrundage Scum seem to have a habit of trying to get me mislynched day one. Soo why not use it to my advantage. I think your scum trying to put some pressure on an easy target. Well fuck that. ##Vote Xatalos
What's with this vote? Let's look at the arguments:
- My case doesn't seem to have much merit (what's this supposed to mean? it does have some merit but not enough? how is that scummy?)
- You don't like my hard flip on Kush (as I said, I've had a townread on Kush ever since he entered the thread by grabbing attention, and only for a moment did I suspect him after one blatantly scummy post - after his response I concluded that it actually belonged well enough with his "too scummy to be scum" verdict and dropped that line of thought - there's a fast switch of stance there, but it's nothing out of the ordinary when considering his scummy posting and especially that one post)
- You say I've done less than you (really? all you've done is call Kush scummy for grabbing attention, take a stab at supersoft for being useless, and call me scum for... basically posting a case with some merit, giving serious thought to Kush's alignment and apparently doing less than yourself, although I've clearly been more active and taken more stances than you)
This whole case feels forced and unconvinced. Even more so with vague wording like "his attack of me doesn't seem to have much merit", "I don't like his posts" and "seems like hes trying to go for an easy mislynch" (and what the heck, how is this an "easy mislynch", since most people here think you're town?).
Speaking of that, MrZentor, do you currently think Jay is town? What do you think about his latest posts?
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Actually, I'm starting to consider SS to be scum again. His list is so full of retardedness and the reads on the list does NOT make any sense if he actually want to know the alignment of people. This is not what I excpect from one of this games strongest players.
The fact that he gives minuses to every player who starts to doubt him being town does not showcase a town mindset. Other ridiculous stuff in it includes thrawn archiving a minus for refusing to say that he is town.
Also, SS is being super non-commital. He agrees with hopeless case(hopeless wants to get me lynched, remember?) but also says that he isn't sure of who to vote. wuuut.
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Xatalos, please look at the case on me and tell me what you think. Also, look up SS and hopeless.
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On January 14 2013 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:@ XatalosShow nested quote +On January 14 2013 07:22 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O @ MrZI don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement. @ SupersoftHave you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him. Also, please reply to my previous post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=6#119Regarding XatalosHis interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced: On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now. Well, you already removed your first argument, so how did that affect your scumread on me? And I already explained that "soft defense" (stating a simple point about his probable intentions) in my previous post. How did that affect your read? I'm actually surprised how weak this reasoning is for your #1 scumread. Is that all there is to it? Talk to me a bit. The main thing I find scummy about you is your multitude of soft-defenses. The supersoft one I quoted earlier reads as especially strange. Also, you're pushing Jay right now, but pushing lynch-bait is something anyone can do. We were both playing in British Mini, and you saw how he acted. What makes his gameplay different now? I see a lot of similarities - spaminess, etc.
He was spammy in that game as well, but he also had clear opinions and he wasn't at all as vague and wishy-washy as he is now. Just look at how vaguely he talks about other players (including me, his lynch of choice, and supersoft, his other lynch candidate). And I've explained this already, but I was merely pointing out a plausible town motivation for supersoft's focus on something useless like a smilie. How is that scummy? Are you suggesting that I'm scum with supersoft like Sloosh did? Otherwise I don't see a reason why scum would bother to get in the way of an easy mislynch.
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On January 14 2013 15:44 Promethelax wrote:
Sloosh, what changed is that I reread the thread, looked into Xat's past and changed my mind. I at first thought he was a scummy looking dude who is always scummy (see Jay) even when town. On looking into him more as a player I decided that his play this game is different from his past, town, games. I knew that since I had earlier stated that I would not vote xat so I used that to pressure you and Hapa to give reasons for your read and to provide a better way for me to read both of you.
Can you clearly describe to me how you employ meta to read people in general?
You called my case weak. What about it was weak?
I brought up the fact that his play is also different from his scum play, yet you never bring this into consideration. Why?
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On January 15 2013 01:16 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 00:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 15 2013 00:41 supersoft wrote:
different question though:
You and lazer both voted me. You think i am scum with him?
kush buddied up with me. You think scum would do that? Not sure where I stand on you. I'm not dealing with associative crap until I see flips. My suspicions on kush had little to do with you, neither does my read on Lazer. I've seen a day 1 bus that lasted multiple cycles, so what scum may or may not do is a waste of time right now. I think Lazer is scummier than you. do you? Yes, I doShow nested quote +On January 15 2013 00:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 14 2013 17:12 Promethelax wrote:
well in that case I am going to bed. I hope some of you will be able to take your heads out of your asses and look at my case on ScumMonkey.
Hopeless, when you get back I'd like you to comment on the use of your new policy and if you think it should be applied and why or why not.
I'd like comments from everyone by tomorrow on lynching lazer vs lynching Xat. I'd prefer LM (obviously).
goodluck town! I'll be in sporadically tomorrow. Thrawn's toeing the line, but hasn't actually tried to push for your lynch yet, so no, not policy worthy. I also agree with your sentiment that Super isn't getting lynched. ##Unvote: supersoft your reason for not voting for super was the same as prom's, which was that he's not going to get lynched. Yes, in addition to this point (where I still feel super is scummy), I find that Lazer is more scummy.did the scum qt tell you to switch off of super? I do not have access to the scum qt. Can you explain your comment about thrawn toeing the line? Idk what policy you're referring to Attempting to push a lynch on the merits of "stupid" or "bad"
On January 15 2013 01:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Holy FUCK, the more I look at the case, the more I realizehow bad of a case that is, Hopeless. Can YOU explain how the points in your case even makes me scum? Your case is like, ''well Lazermonkey is a monkey and monkeys like bananas, thus Lazermonkey is scum. ''. It does not make any sense what so ever.
The fact that SS is sheeping it is blowing my mind in pieces.
You are scum for making a shitty case and throwing your vote on an outlier. Even now, you are not supporting your scum read, you are attacking the case against you. Again, this is scummy behavior.
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Thrawn why do you hate me?
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Hopeless can you give me your thoughts on Prom's play this game?
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On January 15 2013 01:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
super, I challenge the spot you've given hopeless on that list. go through his filter and pay attention to what his scumreads are, and when and why he decides to push them. his story doesnt make sense
hopeless doesnt give me intel.
I think scumteam is somewhere between
wbg/prom or sloosh/lazer
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in before anyone says something against lynching for intel:
I am willing to sacrifice a pawn d1 and I have absolutely no mercy if i feel it's rewarding.
sucks to be prom or lazer :-/
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On January 15 2013 01:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
Xatalos, please look at the case on me and tell me what you think. Also, look up SS and hopeless.
Looks like Prom based his case around you lying about reading the thread before posting (but not doing so) and sheeping the bandwagon on supersoft. I admit it doesn't make you look great, but it's doesn't convince me of your scumminess. Laziness isn't a scum-specific trait, nor did you actually even lie there (more like you failed to meet your own standards). The best point he makes is your weak sheep vote on supersoft.
That case of Hopeless is just... hopeless. Basically he's saying "I can't get supersoft lynched today, but hey, let's just lynch Lazermonkey because... his case on Jay isn't good enough?". He doesn't even say that OMGUS is a bad argument, he says that WBG thinks so, which makes me doubt if he even believed so himself. It feels very forced and more like a desperate justification for voting an appealing bandwagon.
I'm pretty sure supersoft is town. He's been very active with scumhunting (starting with the pressure on Jay and continuing relentlessly throughout his filter) and he's also been extremely open with all of his reads. There are bad points in his lists, like speculating what saying "I'm town" means, but it just reads try-hard town to me. Kind of like how I over-analyzed things in my first town game.
I can see Hopeless being scum. Especially with his latest moves like abandoning the supersoft wagon because it met some resistance, and then voting you with very weak reasons. It reads like he switched from a stronger scumread to a weaker one with the main reason being to sheep the thread. At least he made a long case for supersoft with lots of arguments, but I can see no conviction on his "case" for you. He did suspect Kush earlier though, which makes it a bit more sensible, although he just bases his vote very weakly around your case on Jay instead.
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On January 15 2013 02:30 supersoft wrote:
in before anyone says something against lynching for intel:
I am willing to sacrifice a pawn d1 and I have absolutely no mercy if i feel it's rewarding.
sucks to be prom or lazer :-/ And you call me a retard...
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yeah, lets not lynch xatalos please
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