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On February 03 2013 06:32 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well Dan, I need some things to play out before I update my read on the HopelessHydra. I have some thoughts about this recent Zeb case which I find...interesting. I'm sure you see what I see. Gonzaw and I are talking it through now. Updates to follow.
I usually use my reads to get reads on other people, I thought you knew that, I knew what I thought of Hope and had no idea about marv at the time.
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Yeah I shouldn't have posted what I posted back then and given marv a stupid excuse to refuse doing a read. I realized that like 10 seconds after I posted it. But what's done is done.
Well no real rush I guess, but do share your immense wisdom at least by day 3.
~dandel
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my wisdom =/= immense but I'm re-filtering Rock right now. If I don't finish before I go to work I'll give Gon my findings and he can share with you while I'm gone if he feels it benefits town.
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On February 03 2013 06:26 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Crossfire prolly outed himself because we made a bulletproof case on him and he's BY FAR not good enough a (scum) player to wiggle out of it.
Any assumption further than that is crazy tinfoil-hat talk.
~dandel
Well if it was bulletproof, why did Suck and DFTP disagree?
I agree though that any deductions based on this action are not very strong.
/zebezt
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On February 03 2013 06:38 RockHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 06:26 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Crossfire prolly outed himself because we made a bulletproof case on him and he's BY FAR not good enough a (scum) player to wiggle out of it.
Any assumption further than that is crazy tinfoil-hat talk.
~dandel Well if it was bulletproof, why did Suck and DFTP disagree? I agree though that any deductions based on this action are not very strong. /zebezt
lack of thinking
drugs
being lazy and not actually checking the games we cited for his meta
letting a mentally challenged baboon do their posting for them
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There's a million possible reasons, and I can't conceivably know which one applies to whom.
~dandel
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Just read through Nova's filter. Very little content except for a case on Suck. Case is decent, but doesn't even use the entire filter.
Stutters is still on top
Since you guys convinced me I shoulnt read too much into the early surrender by xfire, I will check Suck more closely as well.
Not right now though, it's late and I had some beer already.
/zebezt
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hi guys. I'm just reading through some thread at the moment before i do some filtering.
On February 03 2013 02:49 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Stutters is blatantly drawing attention to himself with this post. He is walking up to one of the towniest townies in the game, who, as scum he knows is 100% town and doesn't have the lingering doubts of other townies that Gonzaw might just be faking it all. He then says "POKE, pay attention to me!" for no fucking reason at all.
There are very few scum who feel comfortable drawing attention to themselves and they are invariably known as some of the best scum players on the forum. Stutters is either an absolute natural at playing scum, or he is town.
PS. He doesn't just do it that once either. He pokes you too for no reason except to get your reaction... and later pokes me for, in his own mind, letting him off the hook when I had said I wouldn't do that. Now he is either a fucking mastermind scum in his very first game as scum ever, or he is a townie towner.
/Acro
I would probably have agreed with this wholeheartedly a couple of weeks ago, but just recently Xatalos, as mafia, in Dessert Mafia did a similar thing. He constantly drew attention to himself. Xatalos is pretty new himself (or, perhaps has played 1 game more or something) and while I respect and like him (we've shared many PMs in the past), he's not yet a mafia savant or anything. Yet he did the same. So I don't think it's as cast-iron as you make it sound here.
anyway, I'm not saying this to shed suspicion on stutters, because i've not even properly filtered him yet, but it's maybe not quite as strong a heuristic as you think.
-marvelbabe
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On February 03 2013 06:38 RockHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 06:26 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Crossfire prolly outed himself because we made a bulletproof case on him and he's BY FAR not good enough a (scum) player to wiggle out of it.
Any assumption further than that is crazy tinfoil-hat talk.
~dandel Well if it was bulletproof, why did Suck and DFTP disagree? I agree though that any deductions based on this action are not very strong. /zebezt
First of all, it wasn't bulletproof, but it was correct. Important distinction! ^^
Secondly, I don't think I/DFTP disagreed with it, we just thought the Aperture case was stronger. Aperture answering "the case was shit" isn't really good enough either. There are parts of the case that are very strong. iGrok being an egotistical dickhead doesn't excuse him playing like the rest of us.
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I'll hopefully be off soon and I'll give my full thoughts and reads on stuff when I an am, but come on guys. I made it pretty da mn clear that I thought Cross was scum. If you suspect me, that's fine I'll convince you I'm not and we can move on but in all of these sudden cases against me the main thing they have in common is my indecisiveness? If you check any of my past cases/games you'll see I'm always hesitant to call someone scum without considering what I would do from both sides of the coin (if I was scum/town in their position). If anything I'd say I've been significantly more aggressived1 then in past games.
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So you admit your meta changed? 
/zebezt
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Alright, I've just been spending some time in Stutters' filter. Bear in mind I've not read Aperture's case on him at all this stage, so this is what I think unencumbered by this.
So anyway, the only thing I found that I particularly didn't like (and there's probably not a good reason for this) is:
On January 30 2013 08:54 Stutters695 wrote:
-snip-
I need to read over the hydras filters to get a feel for who is most likely scum out of them, but holistically I'd lean towards aperture currently.
'holistically'. Dunno. Rubbed me the wrong way, I did a double take on it.
There are some things I do like, though.
On January 30 2013 08:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Now regarding who I think is scum, I agree I think at least 1 hydra is scum. I know I'm not and currently nova feels town to me. Crossfire I'm somewhat suspicious of. He might not know MtG that well but of all of his posts nothing is an original thought except gonzaw is scummy for a post that once he explained it he agreed with (although less extreme). What concerns me about that is that he's advocating defending attacks as long as they're offensive also which is beneficial to scum much more than town from my view.
I like the reasoning in bold. Sticks the boot in with a townie mindset. Good.
On February 01 2013 00:37 Stutters695 wrote:
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Going to skip his defending himself since what he said makes sense, but it'd be what he would say if he was town or scum. What he says in regards to scumhunting in that post actually was a decent post that I agreed with a lot of. What really concerned me about it (I can definitely relate to the low amount of time to play) is that despite seeming convinced of COn's guilt he never attacks CH again or discusses anything with the town to prove his innocence/work with us, despite the higher emphasis on teamwork in this. When I am on a tight schedule, I have two focuses. If I have a read I'm confident about it is getting them lynched, if I don't it is doing whatever I can to work with the town to convince them off my innocence. X doesn't do either of these. Instead of discussing what to do with his mana. Because he's posted so little it's hard to quantify, but it appears he's in it for himself and is hiding something. The emotional part I'm not so sure of how scummy that is, but to not discuss anything in the thread into dropping his mana on two creatures worries me. I need to check his past games, but when I replaced into whose line he was calm and although he didn't post a lot, he gave reasons and was transparent with his actions. This feels incredibly different.
I liked this section of the post a lot. Seems like a stream of consciousness, seems genuine, sincere. It reads like he's saying what he thinks about things, with honesty about his thought process. I mean, I guess it *could* be faked? but when I read this it seems like I understand exactly the angle he's coming from.
This post I labelled as "interesting":
On February 01 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote:
The case against aperture is good however two things concern me about it. First is your timing although this is a very minor point because with how few attackers there are. You said in your case that you had already given him extra time so why not post it twelve hours into the phase instead of less than an hour before the deadline?
The other is that we still haven't seen grey and earlier you guys made it sound like iGrok trolls early. I'd have to check his meta for that but I don't have the time at the moment.
I'll look into it, but I think cross is so obviously scum he must die first.
Very sure that Crossfire is scum at this point (this is before Crossfire started trolling.) This was also somewhat before Crossfire did that 16 damage/health thing. It's interesting that he's so sure, but I'm not going to hold it against him much, as he was attacking a mafia after all.
Finally, a post I empathised with:
On February 03 2013 01:56 Stutters695 wrote:
Regarding the Xfire thing, he had been discussed, his play was scummy and his lack of any defense felt like it wasn't worth wasting my time typing a post considering I was busy and I could have used that time looking at other people. If you'll notice when Gonzaw asked for me to expand, I expanded, including original thoughts showing how blatantly not like his town meta he was playing. If you consider that sheeping I don't know what to tell you.
Feels totally reasonable. I did the same thing; I read and agreed with the Crossfire suspicions and cba to go into it when it wasn't necessary. Perhaps the oddest thing about it is that in fact he did feel the need to expand and be not sheepy, whereas I just thought rehashing things is stupid and dumb. But Stutters isn't me, so ;D
Conclusion: Most of all I think I get town-vibes from Stutters. I'm not entirely sure, but I'm going with that. Just reading through his filter, it all feels like a consistent stream of thought, I can understand what he's saying, and it doesn't feel like there's an underlying agenda to it.
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Of course it has. Anyone who says they aren't cognizant of their meta is either an idiot or trying to hide something. I've seen how I've done dick in previous games until later(d3 and after) and I'm trying to change it. I'm clearly still not there as in this game (six or seven now) people are still trying to mislynch me for the same shit.
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Hey Stutters! As you're here - mind telling me why you were so sure Crossfire was scum (in that post I quoted above)?
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Main Phase ends in 10 minutes, we didn't forget anything to deal damage to Xfire right?
Stutters, thoughts on Aperture, Rock and Nova please. I want you to try and figure out who's the remaining scum.
Same with Nova who disappeared for some reason.
And of course (this should be obvious) Aperture should do like everything we said he should do or some shit, whatever.
/G
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hey gonz, you agree with me on Stutters? If not, are you being bad, or is there somethings I missed? :D
Goin for a smoke then looking at Aperture again.
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On February 03 2013 06:32 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I'm sure you see what I see.
I see it too
posted in QT for later proof 
/zebezt
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Only 10 minutes to go and I can say what I see.. I guess I can stay up that long
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Guernsey584 Posts
Stutters is like confirmed scum bro, what are you smoking?
Seriously dude, if you can't see how scummy he is you must have your head checked
Like seriously.
....but no I don't think he's scum. I'm lazy to think right now but I'd assume he's likely town, ahead of Aperture/Rock/Nova, which I believe the last scum is in, and Prome does too
Prome is doing some work now so I'll let him have the spotlight for a little while
Also like I'm waiting for people to answer my questions....but they don't....and it makes me sad ;_;
Anyways I assume nobody forgot to cast anything this cycle.
/G
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On February 03 2013 07:48 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Main Phase ends in 10 minutes, we didn't forget anything to deal damage to Xfire right?
Stutters, thoughts on Aperture, Rock and Nova please. I want you to try and figure out who's the remaining scum.
Same with Nova who disappeared for some reason.
And of course (this should be obvious) Aperture should do like everything we said he should do or some shit, whatever.
/G
It's coming up. I'm finally off work so I'm going thru stuff now.
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hmz.. I guess you see something different
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