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Aperture Science
United States151 Posts
On February 03 2013 02:08 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Why are you telling us to ignore his defense? You afraid we might disagree with you? /Acro No smartass, but he's had almost a full day to prepare a defense. | ||
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
On January 30 2013 09:14 Stutters695 wrote: Agreed with this actually. Why would you give me a free pass for a day? From your position I wouldn't consider me town yet. Why would you give me a free pass instead of questioning me to force more out of me. If this was anybody who had actually played a scum game before, I might agree with you, but Stutters has rolled town in all 6 of his prior games (4 of which were newbie). If there was the possibility that Marv was in the scumQT with Stutters, I might ALSO agree with you that he was being heavily coached and this means nothing, but barring a complete mindfuck that is impossible. Stutters is blatantly drawing attention to himself with this post. He is walking up to one of the towniest townies in the game, who, as scum he knows is 100% town and doesn't have the lingering doubts of other townies that Gonzaw might just be faking it all. He then says "POKE, pay attention to me!" for no fucking reason at all. There are very few scum who feel comfortable drawing attention to themselves and they are invariably known as some of the best scum players on the forum. Stutters is either an absolute natural at playing scum, or he is town. PS. He doesn't just do it that once either. He pokes you too for no reason except to get your reaction... and later pokes me for, in his own mind, letting him off the hook when I had said I wouldn't do that. Now he is either a fucking mastermind scum in his very first game as scum ever, or he is a townie towner. /Acro | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
i'm quite unsure as to the 2nd scum. I will read through stutters filter as a response to the current case, which i dont find to be damning but does have some valid points, for instance his contradictions. For a hydra scum, i'd be somewhere between aperture and rock. I'll think about it and let you guys know. | ||
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
On February 03 2013 02:28 Aperture Science wrote: No smartass, but he's had almost a full day to prepare a defense. So what? You've had 2 full days to prepare a defense against Poster's case, yet haven't come up with anything that resemples a plausible town explanation for your play. I don't ignore posts because the poster had more time to make them. I judge them based on their content. /Acro | ||
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
Dandel thinks you're town for some reason. Mind telling me why he thinks that (he's afk and I can't ask him)? /Acro | ||
(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Please do so /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
On February 02 2013 12:27 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: It's right next to your stuff in the spreadsheet, how did you miss it?  So Aperture, what about Nova and Rock? Just skim their filter, don't do a super uber detailed analysis. Tell me your "gut feeling" about them, and why your gut on Stutters is stronger than they are. /G On February 02 2013 12:52 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: You say "Blatant Contradiction bla bla bla" +7 Yet on another one you put "Can you please post an opinion once?" +1 Why is exactly the 1st one +7 and the other one +1 ? Why is that contradiction scummier times 7, instead of maybe a change of mind or townie mistake, while not contributing nor scumhunting like in the 2nd one is just +1 ? Etc for the rest of the posts basically, or his play in general /G On February 02 2013 11:30 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Nova should be free to step on the "Who is the 2nd scum?" discussion as well, I haven't seen him in it in like ever /G On February 02 2013 11:26 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I'd really like to see what Stutters has to say, and see him make a stance and analysis on who he thinks is the 2nd scum He spent most of T1 Attack Phase implying Rock was that scum, and next Suck. Now that Aperture "attacked" him, he OMGUSed, even when he said Aperture was likely town, and he was not even convinced by my case (like....my case was super awesome and persuasive, if he was starting to get suspicious of Aperture it should have been there). So what is it? Is Appy 2nd scum? If so, what do you agree about my case, and what did exactly not convince you, and how did that change if it changed at all? What about Suck and Rock? They are town then? Care to explain why they are town then? Remember, if you think 1 guy is scum then everybody else is town, and that changes some reads drastically at times I want to see how they change yours. /G /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
I'm discussing it with Prome first, but I want to see if you guys figure it out. Plus another thing interesting about him and his scumbuddy most likely /G | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
I know I already asked this, but it shouldn't be that hard from you to do so. /G | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On February 03 2013 0:00 Aperture Science wrote: Link to Stutters Analysis Conclusions: Greater Suspicion of Scumminess. Factors: 1) Multiple Contradictions, often withing just a couple posts. 2x Class B 2) Soft defenses, particularly about Xfire. Class C 3) Deck Lies. There is no way that a Bears deck can't play with 5 mana. Just no way. Class B BBBC is pretty damning. This is my analysis, GreY's isn't quit finished but you can see most of it. Artanis(sp?) did some balancing to the deck but you know pretty much what's in it. He added a mox emerald and a couple other things (I'd have to check my PMs) but where are you getting five mana from? I have three. If I was at five mana I would be rolling, but when my initial pulls were all three mana plus, I haven't had a lot of options. I have played the deck poorly but I've said what's in my hand of value. What possible benefit would I get from being so weak in a scum position? What cards do I possibly have that once XFire dies would let me win 1v8 off of my "deck lies?" How is that point even remotely scummy (if I was lying, which you should know isn't true). | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
I am greatly suspicious of Stutters as scum. He has multiple contradictions, often contradicting himself withing just a couple posts' time frame. He soft defends several people, including Xfire. And, he has to be lying about his deck, because Bears decks can play things with the amount of mana he has. These three reasons are pretty damning. ~grok | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Now you 2 answer the other questions | ||
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Aperture Science
United States151 Posts
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
Here I'll make it short for you: 1)Are you angry at me+Prome "spammin" the thread and shit now? We have a 17 page filter, is this "ruining your fun" or not? Is it different than the time we were "ruining your fun" earlier in T1? Why? 2)Wtf happened to your read of Bin ever since you attacked him on T1 Main Phase, up until this T2? 3)When you raged against me and Prome, why the hell did you attack Stutters and other people that had nothing to do with your rage at all? I can't remember anything that might need a direct response from you....but for fucks sake go read the case and defend yourself, this is ridiculous /G | ||
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Aperture Science
United States151 Posts
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
On February 03 2013 03:26 Stutters695 wrote: Artanis(sp?) did some balancing to the deck but you know pretty much what's in it. He added a mox emerald and a couple other things (I'd have to check my PMs) but where are you getting five mana from? I have three. If I was at five mana I would be rolling, but when my initial pulls were all three mana plus, I haven't had a lot of options. I have played the deck poorly but I've said what's in my hand of value. What possible benefit would I get from being so weak in a scum position? What cards do I possibly have that once XFire dies would let me win 1v8 off of my "deck lies?" How is that point even remotely scummy (if I was lying, which you should know isn't true). Stutters: Type this into the board thread: ##Activate New Frontiers: search for Forest x2 If you prefer, you can search for swamps or some other basic land. /Acro | ||
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Clockwork Hydra
Uzbekistan442 Posts
On February 03 2013 03:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: There's a thing about Xfire that strikes me as odd though. I'm discussing it with Prome first, but I want to see if you guys figure it out. Plus another thing interesting about him and his scumbuddy most likely /G If you are talking about the double wifom burger, I disagree with your conclusions. In fact, I disagree with any conclusions unless it is "ignore the shit out of those posts". | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
/G | ||
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Aperture Science
United States151 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
I haven't had time to read his analysis after coming back (like his second half) yet but so far I've seen a couple good points (they're wrong of course, but him putting it out there feels town). Aside from that his analysis is just a summary. I can go through anyone's filterand find tthings that stand out or contradictions. Doesn't make them scum. What stands out to me is how incredibly non committal the whole thing is. He clearly suspects me of being scum, but after all that analysis I'm barely more likely to be scum than a coinflip? I'll get to your question Gonz, gonna take a bit though until I can get back to my phone after this post. | ||
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