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SuckMyTopdeck
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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zebezt
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On January 31 2013 06:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: It's obviously a figure of speech. Also if you think there is a scum between the hydra then what I said is true And why does that make you now answer my question about Suck? :/ Wut [cut] /G Sorry, didnt really have time to read about Suck. I will refer that question to my other head if he returns at some point in time. And that is a very weird figure of speech. You should find figures that make sense  There is a good chance there is a scum hydra, but I'm not ruling anything out at this point. /zebezt | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
On January 30 2013 16:41 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Final question (sorry for spamming people  , I want these answered before I wake up though ):@Suck: Why did you give 2 mana to Join Forces, if you know CH will use his Zombie thingy and use discarded cards to put zombies? You basically gave CH, your "top scumread", 1 zombie for free Why is this? /G He was indeed your "top scumread" at the time, based on your post at least /G | ||
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SuckMyTopdeck
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- the removal of mana burn is stupid. i will update my end-of-post quote as required. looking at you igrok. PS PLEASE TELL ME YOUR DECK IS MANABARBS that would be awesome. actually not because free kills for mafia but i would still give you hilarity points. - have ninja decks ever been good or is that just a "for fun" thing? | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Also S&B, would you mind answering this? He was indeed your "top scumread" at the time, based on your post at least /G i came to the conclusion that the card advantage helps town more than the zombies hurt it card advantage is massively important, and the chance to choose our hands on turn one from a massive number of cards is very good for town, even if the zombie is used inappropriately. | ||
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Or even if you gave him 1 zombie, you didn't care and thought everybody getting 2 more cards was better? /G | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 29 2013 09:31 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I would not use minds aglow right now, I think you should maybe save it until people have more mana and fewer cards in hand. start of game. Not being helpful, posting for the sake of posting, wishy washy maybe. On January 29 2013 09:39 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: collective voyage never seen that card before but holy ass thats ridiculous indeed a much stronger turn1 play but mulliganing does hurt you for later Discussion of mtg card, fluff, posting for the sake of posting On January 29 2013 11:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: marv here. s&b has been hilariously absent of late and was supposed to teach me magic and hasn't. I plan to nag him though. In other news, why are you telling mafia how they might look more townie? I don't understand the motivation behind saying what I bolded at all. You're doing an awful lot of talking about what mafia should and will be doing. Needless nitpicking, seems as though someone spoke up and said HEY MARV you need to actually look like you're trying to scumhunt, so nitpicking is done. Fluff On January 29 2013 11:49 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I haven't posted much because I literally found out the deck s&b submitted two hours ago. In case you aren't mafia, here's a pro-tip: don't tell mafia what to do to make you consider them as townies. It should be fucking obvious, but here I am saying it. Suddenly out of nowhere, marv starts to get his metaphorical panties in a bunch while going completely overboard nitpicking. It is a completely valid point to make that scum will want to donate to seem townie, but this makes marv irritated (angry?) On January 29 2013 11:58 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: It wasn't a bad post at all. It was a good post. It's not my fault if you're too stupid to comprehend this. The intentions behind my post were perfectly clear. I find it suspicious. Marv gets called out on a less than perfect post and immediately flies to call the accuser an idiot, insanely defensive reaction for no real reason? Furthermore his finding it suspicious that someone thought that his intentions were less than clear? Knee jerk "you accuse me you're scum" type reaction. Its as if hes trying to avoid scumhunting by saying something is suspicious without logic. On January 29 2013 12:02 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: you'll have to excuse me if i'm talking nonsense right now (magic noob  ), but this post is what resonates with what i've been saying. Clockwork provided a framework for mafia to contribute in a sense they would find townie, and in a way (presumably) that could even be beneficial for mafia. I don't understand the townie motivation behind thisHey look, its back to smilies and excuses about being a mtg noob ( when its been his non-mtg behavior that has been less than satisfactory) On January 29 2013 12:03 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: No not really, I gave up trying to understand right away. Which is why i'm genuinely quite annoyed s&b hasn't been speaking to me recently. On the bright side, I've already posted twice as much as I did the whole last game :D Fluff Skipping a couple posts about a misunderstanding, On January 29 2013 12:15 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: No, he seems to be posting too much to be mafia right now. I mean, he could be trying to take some weird control as mafia, but probably not. Begrudgingly accepts that poster is probably town, posting too much to be mafia but could anyway but probably not. This is just weak, and not the way i think a helpful town marv would play. On January 30 2013 02:06 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Sup bros i'm back @marv sorry about not talking to you T_T I promise I'll do better from now on A few things: (1) Last game we tried a "town beast" strat where everyone gave their mana to one or two people to cast big things, on the understanding that those big things would be controlled by the town as a collective. This strategy failed miserably, and I propose we don't do it again. Problems with the "everyone contribute to one person" that arose last time: - The whole thing was subject to one person's judgement. Instead of having a vote or anything, the person who we gave power to (I think it was gonzaw? Not sure) listened to the people who he thought were town. Turns out at least one of those reads was wrong. I don't want to trust any one person to have "good reads", and there's no way of enforcing a "do what the majority tells you to" plan. - The above is an even worse problem if the person we give power to is mafia. - having one powerful person is easier to defend against (whether through persuasion or through MTG-playing) than having a lot of people who are slightly less powerful but who have a lot of different types of power (ie, decks) - IMO the power of the town overall suffers as well, most mtg decks ramp over the course of a few turns So, I don't like ideas where one person gets a shitload more powerful than everyone else. Regardless of whether or not they're mafia, they are likely to be wrong a lot of the time. We tried it last time and it didnt work. Next, on the drawing cards thing: - holy fuck that card is powerful. I thought each person only got as many cards as they paid for but if each person gets the total number of cards then holy fuck. Like, shit. - I still think we should maybe wait a turn until everyone has played more cards and has more room in their hands, but given how much more powerful it is than I thought I guess I could see the motivation to do it this turn. We won't spend our mana until we talk about this more, at least. Finally, a policy proposal. I proposed this last game and people kind of ignored it but I still think it's a good idea. My proposal is to attack every turn with all your creatures. This does a number of things: (1) It's kind of like voting, in that it forces people to take stands they can be held accountable for. In a way these stands are even firmer than normal votes, since they result in lasting damage to people and you can't do a throwaway vote at your scum buddy. (2) It gets damage down early and stops blocking. Since the mafia monster gets more powerful each turn, blocking hurts town more than scum. People should not block ever. If you have an ornithopter, it should be tapped and attacking for zero damage. -snb This post bothers me. S&b reappears to make a massive policy post that seems premade with current non-scumhunting topics added in before making a ridiculous policy to add to the lack of scumhunting discussion. On January 30 2013 02:08 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: oh also i really like the new attitude out of gonzaw - last game i had a huge problem with his "you're either with my ridiculous plan or you're scum" attitude, and it turned out he was wrong as well. if he was scum he could have just stuck with that same attitude, it would've given him plenty of cover to attack townies and suchlike, so i'm feeling townish about that (somewhat, at least). Now a slightly more valid reason for trusting ThePoster is given, i feel that it seems a cover-up for marvs reasoning for poster being town before. On January 30 2013 04:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Put it this way, Artanis didn't even really know we were hydraing until after the game started, and didn't know our hydra name (nor did I). On January 30 2013 05:00 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: well that attitude isn't going to get you anywhere, dear. what did you think of s&b's policy post? Fluff and more redirection to policy discussion On January 30 2013 05:08 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Yeah, I can't add too much more to what's been said about Crossfire, I generally agree. I especially noted how Crossfire called himself a magic noob (like me) but then proceeded to wade in with some strange Magic waffle (unlike me). I'm also not sure whether iGrok is on menopause, or maybe mafia: Given he said this, all he's done is shout at people. This post from Grey rubbed me the wrong way, although I'm not sure how warranted I am to think so: Like, gosh guys, I'm so excited to be playing, except I can't play for another 3 days yet, so definitely keep me around till then guys, right? And now this. Oh, someone was scumhunting? Great, now i can seem like im actually helping and not discussing policy by agreeing and adding as little as possible. Another interesting tidbit is that he said that he generally agrees about their reasons for XFire being scummy, and then he quite recently nitpicks me for doing that as well. Ooh, lets further redirect flow backwards to igrok and make no judgements about him. Tldr: read it, it isnt long. Suck's play is weak on both heads and seems to be purposely leading us nowhere. Marv in Particular has seemingly insane mood swings between happy smiley lets talk about how im an mtg noob mode, and his defensive you're dumb and it makes you scummy mode. | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
On January 31 2013 06:09 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: huh. I've not picked anything up on him for good or for bad. Like someone else said, aren't you the Hopeless expert? Lets play a game where you go read his filter and come back to me with your conclusions. I already have mine but I need to see yours. Thanks. P | ||
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Nova_Terra
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Aperture Science
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On January 31 2013 06:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: i gots some mtg stuff given that people have been playing stuff: - the removal of mana burn is stupid. i will update my end-of-post quote as required. looking at you igrok. PS PLEASE TELL ME YOUR DECK IS MANABARBS that would be awesome. actually not because free kills for mafia but i would still give you hilarity points. - have ninja decks ever been good or is that just a "for fun" thing? You have no idea how much I wanted Manabarbs. However, that was not allowed -_- | ||
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Nova_Terra
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On January 31 2013 06:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: ah yea, i forgot that famous mafia rule where you're not allowed to call out your accuser who randomly calls you mafia while providing no reasons *slaps hand* must do better marv -marvelbabe You obviously need to reread your complimentary rulebook | ||
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Nova_Terra
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On January 31 2013 05:03 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: this is silly, someone else pointed it out before, but life gain is so weak in this format that i doubt scum would be worried, still that could be explained by him not knowing much about mtg, null leaning scum a little bit tell. sucking up to gonzaw, who has a history of being partial towards people who suck up to him (see last mtg mafia), this is scummy. also misunderstanding the importance of card advantage but that's okay because not everyone has studied mtg theory, this is null. not wanting acro to get zombies is fine but not a towntell or a scumtell/ what what "powering up town is bad because town can kill people more easily and they might be wrong" the solution to that is to not be wrong. it's okay to oppose powering up individual players if you think they might be scum or if you think they are likely to use that power impulsively to kill townies. it's not okay to oppose powering up town as a whole. nice jumping in to share widespread town sentiment without providing any reasoning. like, i dont see anywhere above here in your filter you saying that crossfire is scum or explaining this suspicion. ditto the above, way to not actually say anything. "marvs typical posting style" lolwut, there's no way you havent seen at least a couple other games from him, hes ubiquitous. also there's literally no explanation of what nova finds scummy about marvs posts so far. and how the crap was my policy post cut and pasted? except that its the same policy i proposed last time i was town in an mtg game? okay reasons would be nice lolk well this sucks we should wait a few days before we kill him. good thing we have to. also note that this is only an explanation for his recent absence not for his earlier terrible and scummy posting. I'll try to answer some of this sillyness piece by piece 1. weak. If i recall correctly, this was a topic last game. I've played like 8 games of mtg, ever. Very weak point. 2. Sorry, did i read correctly that you find it suspicious that i said to gonzaw that hes doing well? Go read your own (and marvs) wonderful logic. Weak 3. Thats great and all that you feel that we wont be wrong once we're all uber powerful, but i'm more realistic and realize the probability of error, especially when dealing with humans who have outbursts occasionally (most if not all of us). For instance, i do admit that there is a good chance that you are not scum, and yet i would still attack you with whatever number of powerful creatures because i have the gut feeling that you are. Good chances of people going rambo in that manner when nobody seems to listen/agree with them. 4. What does this seem similar to? Oh thats right, what you did as well, minus the redirections to policy. Weak 5. Okay, then let me say that i find it was quite weak play from marv who is better than that. | ||
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Nova_Terra
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On January 31 2013 07:23 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I don't think I've ever read anything that less demonstrates how someone is mafia. For that, I congratulate you. -marvelbabe Howbout this: nonsense is displayed, reacts extremely defensively in slight circumstances, leads the town in circles back to policy, adds little to nothing to town scumhunting. | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
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Nice effort I guess though. What do you think about the other stuff said about him? You can check my filter if you want to find some of that stuff I'm kind of here just waiting until: -NMM 4's Day Phase ends so we can discuss shit with Prome -At least one of Stutters/Crossfire/Rock/Aperture decide to contribute anything at all. Like...it's even likely the 2 scum are in that group of 4, and at worst I'd bet my life that at least there is 1 scum in that group. Stutters, where the hell did you go? You just came out of your lurkiness to call me out, and that's it. Why "actively lurking"? /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:31 Nova_Terra wrote: Howbout this: nonsense is displayed, reacts extremely defensively in slight circumstances, leads the town in circles back to policy, adds little to nothing to town scumhunting. not alignment indicative, not alignment indicative, untrue, our position on many players is a great deal clearer than yours glad we sorted that so fast -marvelbabe | ||
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