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On January 31 2013 04:22 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Yo S&B, what do you think of Xfire? Do you still think CH is suspicious? Can you post a valid case instead of "he's too aggressive and self-centered, therefore is scum" ? /G re clockworkhydra he's also reeeeally rolling hard with his gut read of me and marv being scum because i dont like him and dont want him to have zombies. and some of his other reasons why marv is being scummy are pretty dumb too. dont like it. still that could just be me having a gut reaction to his gut reaction. not gonna pretend im perfect or anythign. | ||
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On January 30 2013 02:27 Nova_Terra wrote: I am not quite OK with revealing our decks, not for my own sake, but because if anyone decided to run life gain cards, they'd have little hope of avoiding scum targets. I'm fine with revealing decks, for instance my own, but I don't feel that it should necessarily be a requirement. this is silly, someone else pointed it out before, but life gain is so weak in this format that i doubt scum would be worried, still that could be explained by him not knowing much about mtg, null leaning scum a little bit tell. On January 30 2013 02:47 Nova_Terra wrote: 2 things before dinner: I feel that ThePoster is doing a fine job, and has been attempting to do more actual scumhunting and pro-town things than the rest of us. Compared to CH, where I find that much if not most of the time he has been trying to explain why he feels that Minds Aglow is good for the entire town, not only for him. the second thing is related to this: How is Minds Aglow particularly pro town? If we have to discard back to 7 anyway, I don't like giving CH 10 zombies. Why? Because if he gets 10 zombies before we can get anything that could even come close to rivaling that and he turns out to be scum, we're screwed. Thats like mafia having 30 kp, and we couldnt even be sure if he IS scum because he could just target "scummy" town players. kill 2 of them, and the games like, over. unless someone draws some miracle, that is. sucking up to gonzaw, who has a history of being partial towards people who suck up to him (see last mtg mafia), this is scummy. also misunderstanding the importance of card advantage but that's okay because not everyone has studied mtg theory, this is null. not wanting acro to get zombies is fine but not a towntell or a scumtell/ On January 30 2013 03:17 Nova_Terra wrote: Durr. Completely misread Collective Voyage. Heres the thing. I have a very low amount of basic lands, and from what i can tell, CH has none. what would this mean? Tons of zombies. Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that we would know who the scum are even if we did end up with 7 players left, and I would think that we may be in a similar situation (of not knowing who the scum are) then. I would agree with using Collective Voyage on a smaller scale, but 20 lands each? I think we're begging for trouble. The strength of town is their numbers and collective majority, all we would end up doing is making it easier for people who make one slightly scummy mistake to get killed. We have good minds here, lets figure it out. what what "powering up town is bad because town can kill people more easily and they might be wrong" the solution to that is to not be wrong. it's okay to oppose powering up individual players if you think they might be scum or if you think they are likely to use that power impulsively to kill townies. it's not okay to oppose powering up town as a whole. On January 30 2013 07:03 Nova_Terra wrote: Yes, i have a slight suspicion of stutters for his early posting, which is only slight as if hes at work it makes sense, and slight suspicion of crossfire for the reason already said. I am not particularly suspicious of Aperture Science, as i feel they/he would be acting differently if he was scum. I do understand how grey's post rubbed a bit weird, but i think that it was less of a scum problem than a phrasing problem. nice jumping in to share widespread town sentiment without providing any reasoning. like, i dont see anywhere above here in your filter you saying that crossfire is scum or explaining this suspicion. On January 30 2013 07:22 Nova_Terra wrote: The probability of them both being scum and acting like that is low. I'm more suspicious of crossfire than stutters. I'm currently looking at Marv+s&b's filter, and i'm seeing things that i dont like. I'd love it if we could all take a look at their filter, because i'm not sure if what im finding scummy is just (marv's?) typical posting style or if it is actually scummy. Also, there is the s&b policy post, which looked to me like a cut and pasted prepared "See im doing stuff!" type post. With relevant informatiOn added in after, of course. ditto the above, way to not actually say anything. "marvs typical posting style" lolwut, there's no way you havent seen at least a couple other games from him, hes ubiquitous. also there's literally no explanation of what nova finds scummy about marvs posts so far. and how the crap was my policy post cut and pasted? except that its the same policy i proposed last time i was town in an mtg game? okay reasons would be nice On January 30 2013 16:35 Nova_Terra wrote: As i said, a analysis on suck will be forthcoming. Also i feel like many of those are self explanatory lolk On January 31 2013 03:51 Nova_Terra wrote: Hey guys, popping in to give an update, had a rough afternoon and thought i might be getting fired from my work as my boss just left the company and everyone is running around like chickens with their heads cut off. I still find marv/s&B to be the most likely scum, and i will elaborate on this tonight at any rate. I really need a cold shower and some food right now though. well this sucks we should wait a few days before we kill him. good thing we have to. also note that this is only an explanation for his recent absence not for his earlier terrible and scummy posting. | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:01 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I'm done reading Bin and it was rather unproductive. It confirmed to me that Oats is all over the map. The scum explanation is as above: he throws oil on pointless conversations, hoping their ignition derails town. The town explanation is that he's a newbie who has no real clue what he is doing. Honestly, the former explanation requires Oats to be quite a lot more devious than I have seen from him in previous games. In CT he was also bullshitting his way around and making stupid posts. I have not yet read that newbie game where he was scum and got lynched D1, which insofar as I know is his only scum game. MG brings up some good points about SnB (not playing to his town meta) and Marv (pointless theatrics, overdoing his town read on Bin), which I find myself agreeing with. Also, his MTG play seems town motivated, although I don't buy that he'd play the deck any differently as scum. He needs his lands out to do anything, and giving town lots of creatures is fine as long as you can avoid them attacking you (by looking like a super pro-town plan maker). I would like to see more in the line of his posts at SnB and less in the line of explaining how pro-town his plan is. If his strong card requires him to have 22 mana, he'd need to get that land out asap anyway. This makes me null, with a slight lean towards town. Now back to SnB/Marv. /Acro Ok, I am now suspicious of Acro. Unlike MG he knows my play and if he really thinks what I did on Bin is at all alignment indicative of me, he's either being stupid or he's mafia. - marvelbabe | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:16 Acrofales wrote: It was just something I picked up from doing my own cutesy QT talk. I might be overestimating you. What I realized while writing that up is that you used that as a reason for labeling him town. Now, you are a good enough player to realize that if you can make up a cute QT talk for why it makes no sense from a scum point of view, you SHOULD immediately jump to the conclusion that the same QT talk makes no sense from a town (hydra) point of view. That should lead you to realize that that whole interchange is null, not townie. Yet, you went ahead with your blatant town read anyway. Maybe I'm overestimating your town play, or maybe you are scum who is using his prior knowledge about Bin's alignment and your cute QT convo is exactly that: theatrics. In that case I wouldn't expect you to put as much thought into it and you might overlook the fact that a convo between the two hydra heads about the topic makes equally little sense from a town point of view. /Acro It means you fail at analysis, and you overestimate yourself. As mafia, playing a card like MG played is obviously a pretty big deal, as it has large implications and certainly seems pro-town. There really would have to have been a specific conversation about it if they were mafia, I think. On the other hand, as town, MG would just be playing this card because it's good for town, and the need to plan it out is far less. To me it seems pretty obvious that a mafia Bin would have talked this over and made sure they were united far more than a town Bin. That is why I consider it somewhat of a town tell, not a null tell. This is somewhat analogous to how in normal games, mafia players usually post and stuff by themselves, but for big decisions like who they're looking to mislynch the next day or who they're going to NK, they're going to talk about it. | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:23 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Damn S&B, I don't know what to think of you Marv gives me slight town feels with his attitude (attitude alone though, not his play, i.e lack of scumhunting and taking a strong position in town), but you gave me so many "bad" feelings dude. Like you going against Nova up there, and having that "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Let's start somewhere: Skim Nova's filter from the previous game. Do you still find him scummy? Do you agree with what I've said a few posts back? /G Actually me and s&b are talking atm, and I do find Nova quite scummy. I pointed out something I didn't like earlier in the thread and said why I didn't like it. His previous game was indeed mostly one-liners, but his stance was always perfectly clear. Here me/s&b are scummy for unspecified, or weak reasons, with more to come. There's a lack of decisiveness compared to his last game. - marv | ||
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last time he really didnt give a fuck, posting one liners all over the place this time he's posting more detail (relatively), his average post is longer but still completely wrong however its true that last game he did suck up to you but also last game he just tunnelled zealos whereas this game hes going along with the flow more and blendign in with town people. | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:37 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Well Suck, apparently this "lack of reasons" is explained by some IRL stuff. I do want to wait to see what he pulls up, although I don't think it'll surprise me or anything. Last game, he said "Kill Fulla, and maybe Zealos/Grey" on T1 and that's it regarding what he was pushing. I don't see much change in his "decisiveness" from there, can you point that out? Also again, how does this change your read on Stutters and Crossfire? /G Yeah, but here it's... Suck is scummy, maybe for this reason maybe not, more later.... Suck still scummy, more later.... Suck still scummy, more later.... In the last game he didn't have to promise future content, he was happy just to say "yeah kill these dudes". Here he feels the need to justify his absence and his read with future promises. My read on Stutters (slightly town) remains unchanged, and Crossfire seems less scummy for it. At least he made the effort to defend himself and make a case on someone, even though some of it was wrong, some of it was correct too - marvelbabe | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I find this post townie for a reason. I don't get the feeling scum Nova would jump on it like this, just to get "enthusiastic" about it and then promise the "analysis" on Suck I find it more likely townies jumping on posts like mine that way, while scum would say something like "Hmm, I agree with you bla bla bla I think they are both indeed suspicious bla bla bla". It's the way he did it basically. I don't really see anything that can tell you "Yes he's surely scum" like you guys say. Yes, he "barely" called you out....but he's Nova. You guys are "vets" and thus finding evidence to point you as scummy is not as easy as saying "Fulla/Zealos is not doing shit kill him", which is pretty easy to do and effortless, and he in fact did last game. You can in fact see him thinking Grey is scum but never really posting anything about it (in the last game). He did in fact "promise" to make an analysis on you guys, and IRL stuff kicked in and he couldn't, so him not making a case yet is not alignment-indicative Like...I can't see why you guys are "so convinced" about him being scum. /G Where did I say he's "surely" scum? I think he has a pretty decent chance of being mafia, a higher chance than Crossfire indeed. If you don't find multiple promises of future content without delivering to be scummy, given how close we are to the end of day 1, due to his 'irl' excuses, then there's not a lot i can do about that. -marvelbabe | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:07 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: marv, why won't you do this with me. A short conversation about Hopeless "the Rock" Hydra. Your read on him and your reasons. I need this from you, just one more time. p huh. I've not picked anything up on him for good or for bad. Like someone else said, aren't you the Hopeless expert? | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:09 Nova_Terra wrote: Hes "so convinced" because im calling him out on being scummy, and therefore has to make a move to make me look less credible before i can get the analysis (which is my fault, got delayed by all this shit). lolk idk about "convinced", i just posted a pile of barf of scummy stuff you said. my thought process is there in the thread and i'm no more "so convinced" than my words say i am. also yall have no way of knowing whether this is true, but i completely wrote that post in stream of consciousness so i didn't even know he was accusing us before i started analyzing his stuff. | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:09 Nova_Terra wrote: Hes "so convinced" because im calling him out on being scummy, and therefore has to make a move to make me look less credible before i can get the analysis (which is my fault, got delayed by all this shit). ah yea, i forgot that famous mafia rule where you're not allowed to call out your accuser who randomly calls you mafia while providing no reasons *slaps hand* must do better marv -marvelbabe | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: It's obviously a figure of speech. Also if you think there is a scum between the hydra then what I said is true And why does that make you now answer my question about Suck? :/ Wut Marv's "lazy" attitude gives me a slight town feeling, in the sense that he didn't seem to "push a scum agenda" and actively try to disrupt town and the like like I'd expect from scum marv. I'm not that sure about them to be honest, and I don't know if I should rely on that... Well, you made a gigantic case on him and concluded with "let's kill him". I'd think that's calling him surely scum. You really believe him not following up with that "case" on yours is intentional? /G I take it from your attitude that you think Crossfire is 'surely' scum then, gonzaw? | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: It's obviously a figure of speech. Also if you think there is a scum between the hydra then what I said is true And why does that make you now answer my question about Suck? :/ Wut Marv's "lazy" attitude gives me a slight town feeling, in the sense that he didn't seem to "push a scum agenda" and actively try to disrupt town and the like like I'd expect from scum marv. I'm not that sure about them to be honest, and I don't know if I should rely on that... Well, you made a gigantic case on him and concluded with "let's kill him". I'd think that's calling him surely scum. You really believe him not following up with that "case" on yours is intentional? /G "gigantic case" lol that was a small bit of stream-of-consciousness analysis. a "gigantic case" would be much more involved and have a definite conclusion. I also didnt conclude "lets kill him" i concluded "lets not kill him yet because he has an irl excuse which appears to justify his delay of a case on me." i provided evidence and my interpretations. that's not the same as a "giant case" also you're confusing me and marv i think, it should be easy to tell by writing style which one is which but ill also try and do a better job of signing (most of the unsigned stuff is me though i think) -snb | ||
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- the removal of mana burn is stupid. i will update my end-of-post quote as required. looking at you igrok. PS PLEASE TELL ME YOUR DECK IS MANABARBS that would be awesome. actually not because free kills for mafia but i would still give you hilarity points. - have ninja decks ever been good or is that just a "for fun" thing? | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Also S&B, would you mind answering this? He was indeed your "top scumread" at the time, based on your post at least /G i came to the conclusion that the card advantage helps town more than the zombies hurt it card advantage is massively important, and the chance to choose our hands on turn one from a massive number of cards is very good for town, even if the zombie is used inappropriately. | ||
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, I want these answered before I wake up though ):
