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On December 21 2012 05:32 yamato77 wrote:
There is a hell of a lot of lynch derailing going on right now. You guys sure are saying a lot of stuff that isn't about the person you're voting for.
Who's derailing the lynch? We're talking about who we think is scum or not, which is a hell of a lot better than the massive sheeping that's gone on in the last few pages.
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On December 21 2012 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:22 Toadesstern wrote:Remember when I asked about wether we should Wrath-Lynch into WBG or Palmar if you really flip town? Your answer was this one: On December 21 2012 04:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements. let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG? You kill Palmar if he keeps playing how he's playing and doesn't start to provide original scum reads that contain actual reasoning. I don't see a reason to kill WBG right now. If his play take a nose-dive, sure, but barring that, between the two, you kill Palmar unless he shapes up. You don't see a reason to lynch WBG. You want to lynch Palmar if he keeps on playing the way he does, which means you think he's scummy but you're at least unsure about it. I don't think you ever mentioned me so far. Do you think the four of us are all town? I know this is C9++ and while hosts usually balance out the vets / new guys somewhat this most likely is not the case for this game because it's so heavily based on randomization, but do you really think all 4 of us being town is a likely scenario according to your reads? Not asking about set-up speculation or the "well there's got to be a mafia within the VETS, right?" argument I love to use myself at all. It just strikes me as odd that you're not really that much into pushing any of us. I have no idea how the hosts would balance. I don't know the relative skill levels of half the people in the game, and whether they've been playing for four months, or if this is their first game. I don't know how the hosts would balance the game with regards to myself considering I haven't played actively for about 5 months, and have barely looked at the forum for the last 4 months. So, balance considerations based on veterancy don't come to my mind, since I don't know who's considered a vet or not anymore. As for all four of us being town, no I don't think so. I don't think WBG is scum, I'm leaning scum on Palmar, and you I'm neutral on. So, it's not like I think that you and WBG are the towniest townies to ever town and that I'm neutral on Palmar. Palmar's someone I've been watching, and he's getting worse and worse. The fun part is that I call him out on not pushing any lynches strongly, and it's only after that point that he starts pushing a lynch strongly, and it comes on so strongly it's almost like an OMGUS. Also, him pushing my lynch isn't based around discussion of a case, it's based around him trying to bully people into voting me. Look at how he's getting people to vote for me. He's not appealing to any sort of reasoning or case, he's just spamming, "Vote for Wiggles!", and then he leaves with a threat that you'd better not unvote me. That's not townie behaviour, it's scum play. He's not relying on a case against me, he's making an attack and bullying everyone into going along with him. Also notice how I'm one of the few people not sheeping along with him and one of the only people who actually thinks that Palmar needs to be analyzed, and that after stating that, I become his #1 target and a priority to kill. He's trying to kill his dissenters right now. Dictator Palmar for life.
I don't like conspiracy theories.
Nor do I care for how you call everyone voting for you a "sheep" of Palmar.
Good job though. Scum love to sow doubt about townie players before they get lynched to get people to change their votes. Subtle, but intentionally misleading.
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On December 21 2012 05:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:32 yamato77 wrote:
There is a hell of a lot of lynch derailing going on right now. You guys sure are saying a lot of stuff that isn't about the person you're voting for. Who's derailing the lynch? We're talking about who we think is scum or not, which is a hell of a lot better than the massive sheeping that's gone on in the last few pages.
What you call "massive sheeping" I call a bandwagon on a scum player.
You and bugs are doing a good job shitting on people voting for you though.
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On December 21 2012 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:22 Toadesstern wrote:Remember when I asked about wether we should Wrath-Lynch into WBG or Palmar if you really flip town? Your answer was this one: On December 21 2012 04:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements. let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG? You kill Palmar if he keeps playing how he's playing and doesn't start to provide original scum reads that contain actual reasoning. I don't see a reason to kill WBG right now. If his play take a nose-dive, sure, but barring that, between the two, you kill Palmar unless he shapes up. You don't see a reason to lynch WBG. You want to lynch Palmar if he keeps on playing the way he does, which means you think he's scummy but you're at least unsure about it. I don't think you ever mentioned me so far. Do you think the four of us are all town? I know this is C9++ and while hosts usually balance out the vets / new guys somewhat this most likely is not the case for this game because it's so heavily based on randomization, but do you really think all 4 of us being town is a likely scenario according to your reads? Not asking about set-up speculation or the "well there's got to be a mafia within the VETS, right?" argument I love to use myself at all. It just strikes me as odd that you're not really that much into pushing any of us. I have no idea how the hosts would balance. I don't know the relative skill levels of half the people in the game, and whether they've been playing for four months, or if this is their first game. I don't know how the hosts would balance the game with regards to myself considering I haven't played actively for about 5 months, and have barely looked at the forum for the last 4 months. So, balance considerations based on veterancy don't come to my mind, since I don't know who's considered a vet or not anymore. As for all four of us being town, no I don't think so. I don't think WBG is scum, I'm leaning scum on Palmar, and you I'm neutral on. So, it's not like I think that you and WBG are the towniest townies to ever town and that I'm neutral on Palmar. Palmar's someone I've been watching, and he's getting worse and worse. The fun part is that I call him out on not pushing any lynches strongly, and it's only after that point that he starts pushing a lynch strongly, and it comes on so strongly it's almost like an OMGUS. Also, him pushing my lynch isn't based around discussion of a case, it's based around him trying to bully people into voting me. Look at how he's getting people to vote for me. He's not appealing to any sort of reasoning or case, he's just spamming, "Vote for Wiggles!", and then he leaves with a threat that you'd better not unvote me. That's not townie behaviour, it's scum play. He's not relying on a case against me, he's making an attack and bullying everyone into going along with him. Also notice how I'm one of the few people not sheeping along with him and one of the only people who actually thinks that Palmar needs to be analyzed, and that after stating that, I become his #1 target and a priority to kill. He's trying to kill his dissenters right now. Dictator Palmar for life.
exactly. That's how town Palmar plays. Ever seen the Annul-Disaster game?
He even did a hitler video about everyone being an idiot for the last second changing of vote off Annul onto someone else.
I mean yeah it's troublesome because that trollish behavior is hard to analyze but he's putting more effort into the game than he usually does as mafia imo. It's hard to tell though, he changed his town style after L to a more trollish one to make up for the big difference in his town and mafia metas because he was (imo) pissed about the fact that he can't play "not-palmar" as town and wanted to troll from time to time as well, which resulted in him being lynched twice in a row. In L on d1 and in whatever his next game was quite early as well.
Pretty sure he stuck with that style for the sake of his mafia meta.
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On December 21 2012 05:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 05:22 Toadesstern wrote:Remember when I asked about wether we should Wrath-Lynch into WBG or Palmar if you really flip town? Your answer was this one: On December 21 2012 04:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements. let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG? You kill Palmar if he keeps playing how he's playing and doesn't start to provide original scum reads that contain actual reasoning. I don't see a reason to kill WBG right now. If his play take a nose-dive, sure, but barring that, between the two, you kill Palmar unless he shapes up. You don't see a reason to lynch WBG. You want to lynch Palmar if he keeps on playing the way he does, which means you think he's scummy but you're at least unsure about it. I don't think you ever mentioned me so far. Do you think the four of us are all town? I know this is C9++ and while hosts usually balance out the vets / new guys somewhat this most likely is not the case for this game because it's so heavily based on randomization, but do you really think all 4 of us being town is a likely scenario according to your reads? Not asking about set-up speculation or the "well there's got to be a mafia within the VETS, right?" argument I love to use myself at all. It just strikes me as odd that you're not really that much into pushing any of us. I have no idea how the hosts would balance. I don't know the relative skill levels of half the people in the game, and whether they've been playing for four months, or if this is their first game. I don't know how the hosts would balance the game with regards to myself considering I haven't played actively for about 5 months, and have barely looked at the forum for the last 4 months. So, balance considerations based on veterancy don't come to my mind, since I don't know who's considered a vet or not anymore. As for all four of us being town, no I don't think so. I don't think WBG is scum, I'm leaning scum on Palmar, and you I'm neutral on. So, it's not like I think that you and WBG are the towniest townies to ever town and that I'm neutral on Palmar. Palmar's someone I've been watching, and he's getting worse and worse. The fun part is that I call him out on not pushing any lynches strongly, and it's only after that point that he starts pushing a lynch strongly, and it comes on so strongly it's almost like an OMGUS. Also, him pushing my lynch isn't based around discussion of a case, it's based around him trying to bully people into voting me. Look at how he's getting people to vote for me. He's not appealing to any sort of reasoning or case, he's just spamming, "Vote for Wiggles!", and then he leaves with a threat that you'd better not unvote me. That's not townie behaviour, it's scum play. He's not relying on a case against me, he's making an attack and bullying everyone into going along with him. Also notice how I'm one of the few people not sheeping along with him and one of the only people who actually thinks that Palmar needs to be analyzed, and that after stating that, I become his #1 target and a priority to kill. He's trying to kill his dissenters right now. Dictator Palmar for life. exactly. That's how town Palmar plays. Ever seen the Annul-Disaster game? He even did a hitler video about everyone being an idiot for the last second changing of vote off Annul onto someone else. I mean yeah it's troublesome because that trollish behavior is hard to analyze but he's putting more effort into the game than he usually does as mafia imo. It's hard to tell though, he changed his town style after L to a more trollish one to make up for the big difference in his town and mafia metas because he was (imo) pissed about the fact that he can't play "not-palmar" as town and wanted to troll from time to time as well, which resulted in him being lynched twice in a row. In L on d1 and in whatever his next game was quite early as well. Pretty sure he stuck with that style for the sake of his mafia meta.
Ok, so what's your point? I think he's scummy, that's my justification. If he continues playing this style, then we need to kill him. Do you disagree?
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Also if you're going to pick a target to counter wagon with your "This is who I would kill tomorrow when I flip town" idea, you really shouldn't pick someone like Palmar. I'm far more likely to believe him today than you. That being said, if you somehow flip town I will certainly kill Palomar tomorrow.
But if you want to not get lynched today you need to do better than that. Vivax was a good start but you aren't convincing enough with this "LOOK AT MY VIVAX POST GUYS HE'S TOTES SCUM" and then pointing your finger at Palmar immediately afterward.
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On December 21 2012 05:46 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 05:32 yamato77 wrote:
There is a hell of a lot of lynch derailing going on right now. You guys sure are saying a lot of stuff that isn't about the person you're voting for. Who's derailing the lynch? We're talking about who we think is scum or not, which is a hell of a lot better than the massive sheeping that's gone on in the last few pages. What you call "massive sheeping" I call a bandwagon on a scum player. You and bugs are doing a good job shitting on people voting for you though.
Your posting follows an awesome trend. Palmar calls you town because of your miller claim, which is stupid. Me and WBG call you out/argue with you at different points in the game. Palmar is your strongest town read, me and WBG are your scum reads. It looks like you're judging how towny people are based on their attitudes towards you, which is idiotic.
On December 21 2012 02:25 Morbidius wrote:
I don't like the zelblade lynch because i don't trust wbg and wiggles , pushing for a lynch along with my scumreads would be silly even tho there isn't one thing that says town about zel. WBG play has been stupid so far and i don't agree with him on most of his points but i am willing to take part on a MR.Wiggles lynch.
On December 21 2012 03:12 Morbidius wrote:
I'm way more confident in a wiggles lynch right now his posts have been very scummy while my suspicion over my other reads have weakened. He has been shooting accusations at everyone and hoping one of them works. Also his ''case'' on palmar is the dumbest thing i've read so far.
##unvote
##vote Mr. Wiggles
Looking for a bad excuse to hop on my wagon. He shoots! He scores! i.e. He's bandwagoning, but can get away with it because of who started the wagon.
On December 21 2012 02:36 Toadesstern wrote:sooooo, long story short: ##unvote
##vote WigglesIn Palmar we trust! This one's just completely blatant.
At least Palmar's acting for retribution with his vote, and Sciberia's been on my case for a while.
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On December 21 2012 05:57 yamato77 wrote:
Also if you're going to pick a target to counter wagon with your "This is who I would kill tomorrow when I flip town" idea, you really shouldn't pick someone like Palmar. I'm far more likely to believe him today than you. That being said, if you somehow flip town I will certainly kill Palomar tomorrow.
But if you want to not get lynched today you need to do better than that. Vivax was a good start but you aren't convincing enough with this "LOOK AT MY VIVAX POST GUYS HE'S TOTES SCUM" and then pointing your finger at Palmar immediately afterward.
Are you dumb, or do you just not read? That wasn't my idea, that was Toad asking me a question and me answering. Also, you're contradicting yourself. Toad asked me when I flipped town who town should kill tomorrow. I said Palmar. You just called me out for saying that, and then you said that when I flip town, you'll kill Palmar tomorrow. What the hell?
I have not said once that we need to lynch Palmar today, you guys are acting fucking stupid.
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On December 21 2012 05:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:54 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 05:22 Toadesstern wrote:Remember when I asked about wether we should Wrath-Lynch into WBG or Palmar if you really flip town? Your answer was this one: On December 21 2012 04:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements. let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG? You kill Palmar if he keeps playing how he's playing and doesn't start to provide original scum reads that contain actual reasoning. I don't see a reason to kill WBG right now. If his play take a nose-dive, sure, but barring that, between the two, you kill Palmar unless he shapes up. You don't see a reason to lynch WBG. You want to lynch Palmar if he keeps on playing the way he does, which means you think he's scummy but you're at least unsure about it. I don't think you ever mentioned me so far. Do you think the four of us are all town? I know this is C9++ and while hosts usually balance out the vets / new guys somewhat this most likely is not the case for this game because it's so heavily based on randomization, but do you really think all 4 of us being town is a likely scenario according to your reads? Not asking about set-up speculation or the "well there's got to be a mafia within the VETS, right?" argument I love to use myself at all. It just strikes me as odd that you're not really that much into pushing any of us. I have no idea how the hosts would balance. I don't know the relative skill levels of half the people in the game, and whether they've been playing for four months, or if this is their first game. I don't know how the hosts would balance the game with regards to myself considering I haven't played actively for about 5 months, and have barely looked at the forum for the last 4 months. So, balance considerations based on veterancy don't come to my mind, since I don't know who's considered a vet or not anymore. As for all four of us being town, no I don't think so. I don't think WBG is scum, I'm leaning scum on Palmar, and you I'm neutral on. So, it's not like I think that you and WBG are the towniest townies to ever town and that I'm neutral on Palmar. Palmar's someone I've been watching, and he's getting worse and worse. The fun part is that I call him out on not pushing any lynches strongly, and it's only after that point that he starts pushing a lynch strongly, and it comes on so strongly it's almost like an OMGUS. Also, him pushing my lynch isn't based around discussion of a case, it's based around him trying to bully people into voting me. Look at how he's getting people to vote for me. He's not appealing to any sort of reasoning or case, he's just spamming, "Vote for Wiggles!", and then he leaves with a threat that you'd better not unvote me. That's not townie behaviour, it's scum play. He's not relying on a case against me, he's making an attack and bullying everyone into going along with him. Also notice how I'm one of the few people not sheeping along with him and one of the only people who actually thinks that Palmar needs to be analyzed, and that after stating that, I become his #1 target and a priority to kill. He's trying to kill his dissenters right now. Dictator Palmar for life. exactly. That's how town Palmar plays. Ever seen the Annul-Disaster game? He even did a hitler video about everyone being an idiot for the last second changing of vote off Annul onto someone else. I mean yeah it's troublesome because that trollish behavior is hard to analyze but he's putting more effort into the game than he usually does as mafia imo. It's hard to tell though, he changed his town style after L to a more trollish one to make up for the big difference in his town and mafia metas because he was (imo) pissed about the fact that he can't play "not-palmar" as town and wanted to troll from time to time as well, which resulted in him being lynched twice in a row. In L on d1 and in whatever his next game was quite early as well. Pretty sure he stuck with that style for the sake of his mafia meta. Ok, so what's your point? I think he's scummy, that's my justification. If he continues playing this style, then we need to kill him. Do you disagree?
Yeah he's troublesome because he's hard to read but all that is stuff he does as town as well so I don't think we should lynch him. You seem to agree on that point because you said you want to lynch him if he continues to play that way.
Point is that we're lacking alternatives if you don't want to lynch Palmar, WBG, myself or anyone else that was a topic earlier. Switching to a random lurker for being a lurker sounds like a bad plan to me.
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On December 21 2012 06:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:46 yamato77 wrote:On December 21 2012 05:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 05:32 yamato77 wrote:
There is a hell of a lot of lynch derailing going on right now. You guys sure are saying a lot of stuff that isn't about the person you're voting for. Who's derailing the lynch? We're talking about who we think is scum or not, which is a hell of a lot better than the massive sheeping that's gone on in the last few pages. What you call "massive sheeping" I call a bandwagon on a scum player. You and bugs are doing a good job shitting on people voting for you though. Your posting follows an awesome trend. Palmar calls you town because of your miller claim, which is stupid. Me and WBG call you out/argue with you at different points in the game. Palmar is your strongest town read, me and WBG are your scum reads. It looks like you're judging how towny people are based on their attitudes towards you, which is idiotic.
Oh let's make more stupid theories about other people voting for me, this is fun!
Seriously I call you out for shitting on the people voting for you send then you do it some more. Come on.
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Of course I'm going to shit on the people voting for me, because I'm town and most of them are lacking justification or are just voting for idiotic reasons. It's pretty frustrating to have to argue against your lynch when half the justification behind it is because Palmar said so.
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On December 21 2012 06:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:57 yamato77 wrote:
Also if you're going to pick a target to counter wagon with your "This is who I would kill tomorrow when I flip town" idea, you really shouldn't pick someone like Palmar. I'm far more likely to believe him today than you. That being said, if you somehow flip town I will certainly kill Palomar tomorrow.
But if you want to not get lynched today you need to do better than that. Vivax was a good start but you aren't convincing enough with this "LOOK AT MY VIVAX POST GUYS HE'S TOTES SCUM" and then pointing your finger at Palmar immediately afterward. Are you dumb, or do you just not read? That wasn't my idea, that was Toad asking me a question and me answering. Also, you're contradicting yourself. Toad asked me when I flipped town who town should kill tomorrow. I said Palmar. You just called me out for saying that, and then you said that when I flip town, you'll kill Palmar tomorrow. What the hell? I have not said once that we need to lynch Palmar today, you guys are acting fucking stupid.
So then you're just calling Palmar suspicious all the time just for shits and giggles? Because if you don't want to vote for him then that means you're just blowing hot air which is exactly what I've said you were doing.
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On December 21 2012 06:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Of course I'm going to shit on the people voting for me, because I'm town and most of them are lacking justification or are just voting for idiotic reasons. It's pretty frustrating to have to argue against your lynch when half the justification behind it is because Palmar said so.
I told you why I'm voting for you and your responses didn't help anything. I have plenty of reason.
Other people may have read this and thought the same things. Why is sheeping people with good reads a bad thing anyway?
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On December 21 2012 06:03 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 05:54 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 05:22 Toadesstern wrote:Remember when I asked about wether we should Wrath-Lynch into WBG or Palmar if you really flip town? Your answer was this one: On December 21 2012 04:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:31 Toadesstern wrote:On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote:
Posting on phone. I can't be here tonight. Please don't push the lynch off wiggles. There will be hell to pay if I come back to a townie lynch. Those are two contradictory statements. let's assume you flip town. Do we wrath-lynch Palmar or WBG? You kill Palmar if he keeps playing how he's playing and doesn't start to provide original scum reads that contain actual reasoning. I don't see a reason to kill WBG right now. If his play take a nose-dive, sure, but barring that, between the two, you kill Palmar unless he shapes up. You don't see a reason to lynch WBG. You want to lynch Palmar if he keeps on playing the way he does, which means you think he's scummy but you're at least unsure about it. I don't think you ever mentioned me so far. Do you think the four of us are all town? I know this is C9++ and while hosts usually balance out the vets / new guys somewhat this most likely is not the case for this game because it's so heavily based on randomization, but do you really think all 4 of us being town is a likely scenario according to your reads? Not asking about set-up speculation or the "well there's got to be a mafia within the VETS, right?" argument I love to use myself at all. It just strikes me as odd that you're not really that much into pushing any of us. I have no idea how the hosts would balance. I don't know the relative skill levels of half the people in the game, and whether they've been playing for four months, or if this is their first game. I don't know how the hosts would balance the game with regards to myself considering I haven't played actively for about 5 months, and have barely looked at the forum for the last 4 months. So, balance considerations based on veterancy don't come to my mind, since I don't know who's considered a vet or not anymore. As for all four of us being town, no I don't think so. I don't think WBG is scum, I'm leaning scum on Palmar, and you I'm neutral on. So, it's not like I think that you and WBG are the towniest townies to ever town and that I'm neutral on Palmar. Palmar's someone I've been watching, and he's getting worse and worse. The fun part is that I call him out on not pushing any lynches strongly, and it's only after that point that he starts pushing a lynch strongly, and it comes on so strongly it's almost like an OMGUS. Also, him pushing my lynch isn't based around discussion of a case, it's based around him trying to bully people into voting me. Look at how he's getting people to vote for me. He's not appealing to any sort of reasoning or case, he's just spamming, "Vote for Wiggles!", and then he leaves with a threat that you'd better not unvote me. That's not townie behaviour, it's scum play. He's not relying on a case against me, he's making an attack and bullying everyone into going along with him. Also notice how I'm one of the few people not sheeping along with him and one of the only people who actually thinks that Palmar needs to be analyzed, and that after stating that, I become his #1 target and a priority to kill. He's trying to kill his dissenters right now. Dictator Palmar for life. exactly. That's how town Palmar plays. Ever seen the Annul-Disaster game? He even did a hitler video about everyone being an idiot for the last second changing of vote off Annul onto someone else. I mean yeah it's troublesome because that trollish behavior is hard to analyze but he's putting more effort into the game than he usually does as mafia imo. It's hard to tell though, he changed his town style after L to a more trollish one to make up for the big difference in his town and mafia metas because he was (imo) pissed about the fact that he can't play "not-palmar" as town and wanted to troll from time to time as well, which resulted in him being lynched twice in a row. In L on d1 and in whatever his next game was quite early as well. Pretty sure he stuck with that style for the sake of his mafia meta. Ok, so what's your point? I think he's scummy, that's my justification. If he continues playing this style, then we need to kill him. Do you disagree? Yeah he's troublesome because he's hard to read but all that is stuff he does as town as well so I don't think we should lynch him. You seem to agree on that point because you said you want to lynch him if he continues to play that way. Point is that we're lacking alternatives if you don't want to lynch Palmar, WBG, myself or anyone else that was a topic earlier. Switching to a random lurker for being a lurker sounds like a bad plan to me.
Zelblade or Vivax aren't random lurkers. People have been talking about zelblade all day long, and after the case came out on him, he's dropped off the face of the earth.
No one's been talking about Vivax, but that's not for lack of me trying. People apparently just don't want to talk about him.
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On December 21 2012 06:06 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 06:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 21 2012 05:57 yamato77 wrote:
Also if you're going to pick a target to counter wagon with your "This is who I would kill tomorrow when I flip town" idea, you really shouldn't pick someone like Palmar. I'm far more likely to believe him today than you. That being said, if you somehow flip town I will certainly kill Palomar tomorrow.
But if you want to not get lynched today you need to do better than that. Vivax was a good start but you aren't convincing enough with this "LOOK AT MY VIVAX POST GUYS HE'S TOTES SCUM" and then pointing your finger at Palmar immediately afterward. Are you dumb, or do you just not read? That wasn't my idea, that was Toad asking me a question and me answering. Also, you're contradicting yourself. Toad asked me when I flipped town who town should kill tomorrow. I said Palmar. You just called me out for saying that, and then you said that when I flip town, you'll kill Palmar tomorrow. What the hell? I have not said once that we need to lynch Palmar today, you guys are acting fucking stupid. So then you're just calling Palmar suspicious all the time just for shits and giggles? Because if you don't want to vote for him then that means you're just blowing hot air which is exactly what I've said you were doing.
Holy. Shit.
I'm calling him suspicious because I think he's fucking suspicious. I said that if he keeps being suspicious, we lynch him. It's other people who keep bringing that point up and asking me to elaborate on it. Are you not allowed to think people are suspicious without voting for them? I mean, you're voting for me, but you said WBG is scum too, but you're not voting for WBG right now, so obviously you must be full of crap, right?
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Convince me on Vivax then. If he's so scummy make an updated case with more content. All you've done is post your read and then ask everyone else what they thought of your read. That doesn't feel like scum hunting to me.
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On December 21 2012 04:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 18:00 sciberbia wrote:My lynch candidates, from most suspicious to least suspicious: 1) Mr. Wiggles 2) debears 3) zelblade
Mr. WigglesMy earlier point about him coming back into the thread without any scumreads still stands. The 5-hour gap in his posts reinforces my suspicion that he was not scumhunting: 04:28 --- Wiggles makes post about Eywa that I found suspicious 04:54-5:37 --- Wiggles makes a series of relatively insignificant posts 05:51 --- I explain that I'm suspicious of Wiggles for not pushing scumreads 10:37 --- Wiggles responds with his scumreads I thought his points about Zelblade and Vivax were reasonable. However, I didn't like what he said about Palmer (or more precisely how he said it): + Show Spoiler +
I'm not really liking Palmar's play either right now. I tend to agree with a decent amount of what Eywa said, and his recent posting isn't comforting. It seems mostly like he just wants WBG to take the lead. For example, instead of just voting for me, he asks WBG why we aren't lynching me, which I don't like. I'm not sure if I want to lynch him yet though, because I think Palmar's scum a lot of the time on Day 1, but I've found that if I give it an extra day or so, he's either able to show he's town, or you can just kill him because he's scum. That's held true in the past.
Also, he must be Santa Claus. He lives in the North, and spends all his time making lists and checking off who's been naughty or nice.
I think this is wishy-washy, non-committal, and fluffy. See the parts I bolded. Wiggles seems so unsure of what he thinks about Palmar that I don't see the town motivation for him posting anything about Palmar at all.
That reads as non-committal, because it's non-committal, hahahaha. If you read, I say I don't know if I want to lynch him right now. The reasons for this being that he can be a good scumhunter, and that I have a tendency to think he's scum on Day 1, but that suspicion is either absolved or concreted the further we get into the game. I know what I think about Palmar, it's at the bottom of the post. IGMEOY, I've Got My Eye On You. Means that I'm watching the guy because I think he's suspicious, more so than other people. Why wouldn't I share my two scum-reads, and then my strongest suspicion? You don't make any sense.
You started with "I don't know if I want to lynch him right now" and now you're saying "I actually don't want to lynch him right now but I'm keeping my eye on him". And anyway, I think that if you were town you'd be doing something more productive than talking about someone that you don't want us to lynch.
I'd be more interested in an explanation as to why it took you five hours to respond to my post with your own scumreads. Did you not have any scumreads when I asked you? Or were you just choosing not to share them for some reason?
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Vote Count
Mr. Wiggles (4): Palmar, yamato77, Toadesstern, sciberbia
zelblade (2): wherebugsgo, Mr. Wiggles
Palmar (1): Eywa-
debears (1): iamperfection
iamperfection (1): debears
Morbidius (1): wherebugsgo, Vivax
Toadesstern (0): wherebugsgo, debears
Eywa- (0): iamperfection, Palmar, yamato77
Vivax (0): debears
Stutters695 (0): debears, Vivax
wherebugsgo (0): Mr. Wiggles, Toadesstern, Morbidius, Vivax
Currently Mr.Wiggles is set to be lynched. Deadline is in about 2 hours 40 mins.
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On December 21 2012 04:02 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:59 Vivax wrote:
@ Morbidius
One question first:
How many games do you have on your shoulders?
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##Vote Morbidius YOU look like the person jumping on a wagon. I don't know, maybe Wiggles and debears were on to something. If you are town you sure are trying to look like scum.
Sorry for being scummy for calling out scummy play.
There are 3 players out there being lurky and hard to read (stutters, Bugs, . I'm getting shat on by you for trying to make them post more, cause there are smartasses like you who think one should simply join the earliest wagon available and ignore everything else.
You will soon find out I'm not your type of player, writing useless summary posts no one is going to comment on, like this one:
On December 21 2012 02:17 yamato77 wrote:
PSA: All town members need to make a post very soon stating where they stand on who is going to be lynched. Your options seem to be Bugs, Wiggles, Debears, and Zelblade, looking at the vote counts and recent behavior. We need to make a consolidation effort. Get some thoughts out there and discuss.
Now say to my face that this post has ANY use whatsoever for scumhunting.
Anyway, I'll take a look at this Wiggles bandwagon and try to decide who to drop my vote on. It was my last uni day before Christmas and I'm fucking tired, so don't expect some lengthy analysis on my choice.This Saturday I'll be travelling to Austria, so I will post less, if not anything at all during that day.
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On December 21 2012 06:13 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 04:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On December 20 2012 18:00 sciberbia wrote:My lynch candidates, from most suspicious to least suspicious: 1) Mr. Wiggles 2) debears 3) zelblade
Mr. WigglesMy earlier point about him coming back into the thread without any scumreads still stands. The 5-hour gap in his posts reinforces my suspicion that he was not scumhunting: 04:28 --- Wiggles makes post about Eywa that I found suspicious 04:54-5:37 --- Wiggles makes a series of relatively insignificant posts 05:51 --- I explain that I'm suspicious of Wiggles for not pushing scumreads 10:37 --- Wiggles responds with his scumreads I thought his points about Zelblade and Vivax were reasonable. However, I didn't like what he said about Palmer (or more precisely how he said it): + Show Spoiler +
I'm not really liking Palmar's play either right now. I tend to agree with a decent amount of what Eywa said, and his recent posting isn't comforting. It seems mostly like he just wants WBG to take the lead. For example, instead of just voting for me, he asks WBG why we aren't lynching me, which I don't like. I'm not sure if I want to lynch him yet though, because I think Palmar's scum a lot of the time on Day 1, but I've found that if I give it an extra day or so, he's either able to show he's town, or you can just kill him because he's scum. That's held true in the past.
Also, he must be Santa Claus. He lives in the North, and spends all his time making lists and checking off who's been naughty or nice.
I think this is wishy-washy, non-committal, and fluffy. See the parts I bolded. Wiggles seems so unsure of what he thinks about Palmar that I don't see the town motivation for him posting anything about Palmar at all.
That reads as non-committal, because it's non-committal, hahahaha. If you read, I say I don't know if I want to lynch him right now. The reasons for this being that he can be a good scumhunter, and that I have a tendency to think he's scum on Day 1, but that suspicion is either absolved or concreted the further we get into the game. I know what I think about Palmar, it's at the bottom of the post. IGMEOY, I've Got My Eye On You. Means that I'm watching the guy because I think he's suspicious, more so than other people. Why wouldn't I share my two scum-reads, and then my strongest suspicion? You don't make any sense. You started with "I don't know if I want to lynch him right now" and now you're saying "I actually don't want to lynch him right now but I'm keeping my eye on him". And anyway, I think that if you were town you'd be doing something more productive than talking about someone that you don't want us to lynch. I'd be more interested in an explanation as to why it took you five hours to respond to my post with your own scumreads. Did you not have any scumreads when I asked you? Or were you just choosing not to share them for some reason?
Sure, I totally didn't say that I didn't want to lynch him, and that I was watching him.
On December 20 2012 10:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
tl;dr: zelblade/vivax for lynch, IGMEOY Palmar/Santa
As for your other question, I was playing Dota. I wasn't sitting there pressing f5 on the thread. This is forum mafia, not real-time mafia where you have to be in the thread during all your free time unless you're sleeping.
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