The sad thing is that I'll play that game.

A one-way swap, possibly at random.

A lot of normal-y actions don't need to be popped in thread, so...either just you dicking around or something large, like a swap. All the other swap mechanics (bar Palmar) have been typed in thread.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 16:13 GMT

#518

On December 15 2012 00:43 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's a genuine mechanic.

I am not aware, however, of the precise details of how it functions.

Nor am I aware, in fact, of even the broadest general idea of how it functions.

Well, now you're just trying to punish me for not adding you to my objection list.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 16:14 GMT

#520

On December 15 2012 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
You could say I objected to it.

*sunglasses*

I believe the british legal version is

/wig

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 20:55 GMT

#543

More than happy to volunteer for swap. Unless clarity has interest in swapping me back on his own.

I've used my role from iGrok, would like to get back there and then swapped over here to see if I can still be non-VT useful. But that also takes an extra swap compared to someone else, which is one reason that I think it would be better for clarity to swap me if he's got more swap mojo.

I'm not sure how much we can plan ahead for the swap though, given that we've already had some roles that do Stuff, and I'm assuming tonight will yield More Stuff.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 21:03 GMT

#545

On December 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Nah austin, the "super swap" changed "home" of each of your abilities or characters or whatever it is you guys have.
So if we swap you you'll switch to the thing you want.

Oh, interesting. Then I'm extra-down to swap if that's the case.

We were told that we had swapped and our role swapped with us, but I didn't interpret that as changing both sides around.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 21:07 GMT

#547

On December 15 2012 06:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
We? Who's we?

I assume that both Keirathi and I got the same pm.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 21:15 GMT

#550

Good point. If we're tied forevers, don't swap me.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 21:46 GMT

#558

We may have some more reveals over the course of this next bit. You're more than welcome to copy me.

It both backs up my claim without flipping me AND gives us a second instance of the objection. Could use it to DT check a single player, or to try and target a swath either to check them as town or just narrow down anti-town within a bunch.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 21:48 GMT

#560

(Also, I kind of wish this hadn't been brought to thread, now I feel like a bigger target. But happy to get shot if it protects a solid scumhunter for a day)

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 21:54 GMT

#566

On December 15 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why do you feel like a bigger target, compared to if you stayed in iGrok?

I feel like I would be a bigger target IF Hassybaby can actually copy someone. If he copies me, he can both confirm that I am what I say I am, which would mean my objection was legit. He both confirms my objection targets and my role, basically, if he is legit.

Also puts a target on himself, since he can do stuff in the future, but I kind of wish this had been a "Surprise, I can copy someone and did the following..." rather than now being a target or being roleblockable or anything like that.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 21:57 GMT

#568

On December 15 2012 06:56 Hassybaby wrote:
Bigger target on my back compared to yours tbh austin.

Ya. Realized that as I was typing.

I wouldn't say too much more about your role tbh, although it may already be out here.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 22:01 GMT

#570

On December 15 2012 06:59 Hassybaby wrote:
Had to be full disclosure or nothing. I had to tell you guys about Lucy, otherwise the swap may not have happened. That already put a big target on my back. No point in backing down now. Better to get input and make a better decision

So ... I'm partially confused about the swapping. You had to be swapped to activate, but are you Lucy full-time now? Or only in this world?

If you can only copy someone in the opposite world and only while being in this one, and my home world has been changed, then the only way you can copy me is for clarity to super swap one of us.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 14 2012 22:12 GMT

#573

Yaya, makes sense now.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 15 2012 19:06 GMT

#604

Keirathi,

It's worth bringing up Sandro's reads because we're not in a game with a single strong townie. The strong townie N1 kill argument just isn't as strong here because there are a number to choose from.

However, I think there are two considerations:

(1) Sandroba had not revealed his power, so scum may not be afraid of say, Palmar's power
(2) Sandroba was in today's lynch-world. Gives mafia more control over the lynch to kill a townie on your side than on ours

I don't think we can assume Sandro was killed 100% because of reads, but it's A reason to kill him, among others.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 15 2012 22:20 GMT

#609

Other world,

we did have a shot claimed in addition to the mafia KP though, didn't result in a kill.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 16 2012 18:58 GMT

#667

Catching up on some things.

Off the top of my head, a couple things I'm concerned about or interest in:

Keirathi, your read on marv
THE FACT THAT MAYBE DARKFIRE IS SCUM OR THIRD PARTY OR WHATEVER AND DESTABILIZATION IS BAD AND WE'RE ALL JUST SITTING AROUND LETTING IT HAPPEN (Destabilization could mean random swap, random votes, which are problems for us in a game where we need to keep things balanced in each world) (Destabilization was bad in Aperture 1 from what I remember) (His claim of just "Eventually I can DT check someone who swapped" is so ... easy to fake? As scum or just guessing, and it lets him stall for time if his win condition is just "get destabilization to x point")
Risen/crossfire, were you guys swapped or SUPER swapped? Did your home worlds/roles change?

I haven't seen a ton of desire to get swapped from our world, so I'm still volunteering. Either hassy or I is fine with me, I'm still reading him as town and hoping he's town (scum Yu-Gi-Oh would be frightening, with all the various crap that role can probably do /// the paranoid possibility that he's actually just a copy-cat and the gemini role is made up with him just taking the first dead dude's role). Disregard the paranoid stuff for now, I think he's town, but most of us seem to be phoning it in for days of this game, or less concerned with the game as a whole than whatever vote is going on in our own world, and it's worth getting everyone THINKING about less-noticed facets of this game.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 16 2012 19:08 GMT

#668

I'm interested in it. You're one of the folks who chats with him a lot, and he's just...not doing a lot in this game. A lot of what Foolishness said about him was true, but he could just be playing in a certain way or, something that I've considered, could be some kind of third party.

It's not relevant to your world's lynch today, I know, but I'm interested in what you're thinking about him.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 16 2012 19:08 GMT

#669

Above is to Keirathi.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 16 2012 19:14 GMT

#670

Dienosore,

Apart from BH accusing you of being scum, do you find his play scummy?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

December 16 2012 19:16 GMT

#671

Crossfire,

Clarity said his is a super swap, but he only swapped one of you. I didn't know if your/risen's swaps are super or not, it might have been that Clarity super swapped risen and you got regular swapped due to the interaction with risen.