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Dear Other World,
I'm still slightly worried about the hassy swap. If we gave you 1-2 scum, I don't like the idea of swapping a townie, even if the townie gets powers (ESPECIALLY when (1) we don't actually KNOW hassy's townie or telling the truth and (2) nobody knows what he'll actually DO if he's here (he himself said some of the things might just fizzle or be bad iirc)).
If scum NKs a townie on your side of things, we MAY be walking a very thin line on your side of the world. I'm really, really worried about this.
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who do you want to lynch?
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marv, stop asking questions.
Look at randombum, dienosore, kenpachi. Then come back and ask questions later.
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I'll start from newest: About the whole clarity swap thing and my response. The way I see it information is a good thing. In that light, lynching somebody is a good thing because it gives us facts. After clarity's swap with foolishness getting removed I felt like oh now he won't flip and we won't get any information. Sure my vote wasn't on foolishness at the time, but I knew I would be back before I thought it ended (around 12 hours from when I went to bed it turned out to be 16, but still fine). Regardless, at the time foolishness already had 6 votes, and that's enough to get him lynched. I probably would've swapped at the end just in case somebody decides to un-vote. From the look of things it seems like there will be a no-lynch today simply because its almost deadline and there's maybe 6 people reading the thread who all have to agree on somebody to see them lynched in time. So my misgivings are at least valid.
About me not giving reads, NOBODY is giving real reads at the moment only they lean one way or another or simple "I have read his filter and he seems townie."
I was called out specifically and I answered. Would you have preferred "I read your filter I like you." ? Even you austin, with all your posts have not come out and said I feel strongly about one person or another. Sure you came out and made a decision with you objection, but none of those were "I feel he is sure town" before you confirmation.
About the whole swap idea. I still think it has potential since I said at the beginning I like facts and using the swap system to get facts about "confirmed townies" is good.The idea of the second scummiest is that we will have the flip from their most scummiest target before we had to make a final decision on ours. So if it was a one or the other option and the main target was scum then good, one down. If we got that decision wrong then at least the second target will die a day sooner. and that still leading towards the confirmed townie thing I like. If somehow we got both targets wrong then that's probably on the town for messing up rather than the idea being invalid. There is a valid concern about stacking one side with mafia so they will be able to control the vote, but I think if mafia control the vote that way they will be exposing themselves.
And worst case scenario they swapped us their second scummiest and he turns out scum and their primary target was townie. That still leads us with a decent lynch target who the mafia will have to make direct defenses of if they want to save him. And after that they still only have 3/(11-9 depending on if we mislynch today and if they kill somebody from our world) votes which is not enough to control the vote. Dunno, maybe 3/9 is cutting it too close since 5 out of the 6 non mafia have to vote against the mafia. At the time it felt like a good idea, and I'm still not convinced the idea itself is bad, although there might be better ones.
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Holy crap this thread is moving fast, 2 pages since i started that block.
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austin, go screw yourself, you don't tell me what to do, nor do I trust you further than I could throw you.
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As far as I'm concerned, lynching randombum is stupid, lynching Dino is a coinflip and Kenpachi is a policy lynch.
The fact I totally distrust your checks also leaves the other options open as well, but probably that's not a goer for now.
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@kei, I've played with him before now so he isn't just a total newb, plus I'm lazy.
He seems to have typed a few longer paragraphs this time is all I got
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You guys have no idea how much it hurts having like 5 people say they think I'm a bad/stupid/worthless poster. You are all asses.
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then don't say you're lynching people for giggles then. problem solved.
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Mementoss,
You guys are somewhere between 2-4 scum today on your side of things, out of 10 players. The one thing we pretty much can't afford to do is let scum control one side. They can always lynch townies or no lynch if just scum, they can NK people on the townie side, overall it just really messes with things if I try to play that scenario out quickly in my head. So whatever swap plan we want to have, I think the best is just to stay simple and attempt to keep scum from controlling either world.
You swap someone tonight, and scum NK someone. If you swap a townie, and they NK a townie on your side, that's 2-4 scum and 4-6 townies. Or..."townies." Because they could be 3P, could be "anti-town elements," etc. We also don't know if anyone has a bonus swap, swap blocking, whatever.
Anyway, even if we sent you ONE scum, that's 3 scum 5 maximum townies. All scum would ahve to do is convince 1-2 people to go their way, they lynch town tomorrow, and then control that side of things.
On the flip side, we don't know WHAT we sent you, and we don't know what hassy is for you guys to send back. I can't really sit here and go "Well, you guys should send a definite scum player back this way." No guarantee what you'll send. But I think this issue needs to be raised, because almost all the townies are going to have to be on one page over there tomorrow.
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Marv, if no one was off the table, who would you want to lynch?
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On December 14 2012 07:27 Crossfire99 wrote:
Marv, if no one was off the table, who would you want to lynch?
Well, you seem kinda interested so maybe you're town this game. sloosh for right now I think is town, Palmar is null.
So really it's between austin and kenpachi. I'm fine with a policy lynch at this point and I don't trust austin for his checks at all. I don't know if now it's just ME being paranoid, but his explanation that he'd have to check me by myself seems such a copout.
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policy lynching was always dumb. i dont know why people never learned from the past
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who cares if it's dumb, don't make yourself a policy lynch with the way you play is the answer.
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Mementoss/Hassy,
following up after reading hassy's post. Some of what I would advise doing would be dependant on Palmar and clarity's roles.
If clarity can portal every cycle, he can fix a perceived imbalance tomorrow on his own. If Palmar can tie people together, he may be able to do the same thing by letting us swap 2 townies to a particular side where we need townies. Knowing what they can do lets us know how much power we have to fix a perceived imbalance without being reliant on the voted-for-swaps.
I think it's more prudent to swap someone scummy than to get you activated right now, hassy. I'm in the same boat as you where I'd like to swap and see if I have a secondary role, and clarity put me a step removed from that, but oh well. I'd rather make sure we don't get into a bad spot before that happens. If you're telling the truth, we're swapping you to activate your role, which would give you some random action. So starting cycle 2, you'd have some action to use but none of us know what yet. Even if we KNEW you were town, that's not a super-duper benefit to us overall. It's good, but I kind of want to get rid of a scum or two before we start moving people around for extra roles? Unless we have a good number of vigi roles, or can swap a good number of people on our own regularly, then we might wind up with you getting powers, but being unable to control half the game.
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On December 14 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 07:27 Crossfire99 wrote:
Marv, if no one was off the table, who would you want to lynch? Well, you seem kinda interested so maybe you're town this game. sloosh for right now I think is town, Palmar is null. So really it's between austin and kenpachi. I'm fine with a policy lynch at this point and I don't trust austin for his checks at all. I don't know if now it's just ME being paranoid, but his explanation that he'd have to check me by myself seems such a copout.
Although I am monumentally displeased sloosh isn't here right now having just been here.
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On December 14 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
who cares if it's dumb, don't make yourself a policy lynch with the way you play is the answer.
i care if its dumb because for many reasons, for example you have no idea if my playstyle has changed or not in the many months ive been inactive.
also, i can count the number of games ive been policy lynched in my last 10 games. It was once and guess what, town sucked donkeyballs that game (steamship)
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On December 14 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 07:27 Crossfire99 wrote:
Marv, if no one was off the table, who would you want to lynch? Well, you seem kinda interested so maybe you're town this game. sloosh for right now I think is town, Palmar is null. So really it's between austin and kenpachi. I'm fine with a policy lynch at this point and I don't trust austin for his checks at all. I don't know if now it's just ME being paranoid, but his explanation that he'd have to check me by myself seems such a copout.
Pshaw. Look at the rest of my play this game. Or we can discuss my checks after this lynch/you can try to get me lynched/whatever. But you'll notice that the people who were around don't seem to be finding me scummy. At the very least, drop me for this cycle.
Besides, you know I'll check you by yourself later 
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