EPTI'm prepared to keep my vote on him until something else sways me.
I'm interested to see what Shz has to say, he said we would be posting soon. I'm glad he's taking the time to read the thread and catch up on things.
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Corazon
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I'm prepared to keep my vote on him until something else sways me. I'm interested to see what Shz has to say, he said we would be posting soon. I'm glad he's taking the time to read the thread and catch up on things. | ||
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Chromatically
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Corazon
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Chromatically
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I'll try to stop spamming now with my "lynch shz" stuff, but seriously: lynch shz | ||
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Corazon
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Chromatically
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Corazon
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On December 23 2012 02:34 OmniEulogy wrote: I suppose Chrom but at that point with suspicion falling on me I didn't want to be having to spend the first half of D2 defending myself because of Spag. which seems to be happening anyway. By the way nobody seems to have a problem with my post for the reads right? ##Vote: Threesr My case on you btw is the fact that you don't post anything constructive, you have said nothing of merit, and claim you are too lazy to post or contribute. From the very start till now. Chrom has been the only person to defend you @Chromatically what are your thoughts about Threesr now? after an extra 48 hours and still nothing good to say other than + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 13:11 threesr wrote: Well since no one is going to vote for this FC guy my plan is to hop on the Corazon train. Im still down for a Mocsta lynch if you guys wanna do that. ##unvote ##vote cDgCorazon On December 22 2012 07:51 threesr wrote: Too lazy to do that atm, i dont care about your opinion of me at all just fyi. which was his 3rd post in over a day. Wonders why we have almost all called him scum. I don't know if this is a pressure vote or if he is trying to get us to lynch Threesr, but this is probably who he wants lynched. | ||
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Chromatically
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I highly doubt it'll be shz. | ||
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Sylencia
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On December 23 2012 10:47 FatChunk wrote: @Aqua I apologize, i meant to say i don't think the evidence is conclusive against chrom, but Mocsta brought up some good points regarding Chromatically's agression and alignment to Omni to give me a mild scum read. I am suspicious of Omni, and it would be foolish to ignore the post Mocsta made regarding his and Chrom's alignment. I suggest we pursue Omni, while keep an eye on sHz. A mafia turn on Omni would cause an increase in suspicion in Chrom, and a town turn on Omni would eliminate interplay between the two. Seems hard to believe that Omni and Chrom would be aligned since that would mean that Chrom was throwing Omni under the bus 3 minutes into Day 2. In the case where everyone takes what Mocsta said seriously and agrees that they are both scum I could see it happening, but since there wasn't too much response to it at the end of the night, it wouldn't be natural to throw them under first opportunity you get. | ||
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Sylencia
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On December 23 2012 08:29 Aquanim wrote: I don't think Syl is the most active poster at the best of times (on a quick read of XXXII, where he was VT). I'm prepared to give Syl a little more time to get his head in the game and start contributing and committing to reads... my patience is running out, though. The problem that is frustrating for me is that even if I do say anything, literally nothing comes out of it. Honestly, I'm happy that FatChunk made a point against me, but even the point he makes was completely ignored by all but you :| It's like I'm a ghost around here :{ | ||
shz
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While I think that most of us agree that he behaves just totally strange, aggressive, lazy, sarcastic, and whatever he is still not under pressure for most of the last (RL-) days. I don't quite get why. He hasn't posted in the last ~48h. So: @threesr: What are your current thoughts? We all know that you don't care about our opinion or are a person of man words, but who do you think we should lynch today? There is much reason to lynch him for his lack of cooperation, but my problem would be, that we would not gain any information from this. If he isn't scum, the lynch did absolutley nothing. And that worries me. @all: What to do with threesr? Do you still want to let him contribute nothing while lynching others (me/omni)? Chromatically / Omni: Mocstas case on the Chroma / Omni relationship does not stick. One or two pages before his case, Chroma did make a pretty big case on Omni. So that does not seem very likely. Chroma calls himself a vet, but I'm not sure if this would warrant a suspicion that this is some high-level mafia play. My conclusion from this is, if Mocsta was on to something here, only one of them is actually scum. If we consider that OmniEulogy has a "strong town read" on Chroma, I would go with Chroma as being the scum out of these two. Again, if Mocsta was on to something. Though Omni gave up his town read on Chroma and FoS'd him, his reasons for that were very defensive. Also the thing to note is, that Omni changed his vote to Spaghetti when Corazon was on the way to the noose. If he was scum, why should he switch wagons from Corazon (safe kill at that moment) to the much lesser safe lynch Spaghetti? In the end, Spaghetti did get killed, but he helped a great deal with his early switch and helping to get the wagon rolling. What does that mean? If Chrome is scum, I don't think Omni is. If Chrome is town, Omni should be too. So what clue do we have to suggest that Chrome is indeed scum? If we ignore all clues that comes out of the connection Mocsta saw, we don't have any. He only focused on Omni, which is fine, but not helping if we want to find out if Chroma is town or not. I think there is a possibility, but I'm not at all confident that Chroma is scum. On thing that strikes me is, that he overall voted for 5 players and made several cases. Which could be the strategy to put everyone out there and hope that one of them gets lynched. @Chromatically: Why do you think he would not chose me to lynch? Are you suggesting something? And why do you back off from him, vote me (before you made a case), if you think there is a connection? | ||
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Aquanim
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On December 23 2012 12:55 shz wrote: ... What does that mean? If Chrome is scum, I don't think Omni is. If Chrome is town, Omni should be too. So you're saying that you think Omni is town regardless of Chromatic's alignment. Could you justify this some more? | ||
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Corazon
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On December 23 2012 12:55 shz wrote: @Chromatically: Why do you think he would not chose me to lynch? Are you suggesting something? And why do you back off from him, vote me (before you made a case), if you think there is a connection? I feel like his earlier votes, along with his vote for you, are pressure votes to get you to contribute and defend yourself, things which you haven't done until now. In the case of Threesr, I was in the same thought pattern as you, except I feel like Threesr is coming back with a bad town/bad mafia reading. Both do not really affect us. I feel like we should leave Threesr alone for now because we have bigger fish to fry, and we can tell is someone in the future is mafia if they are under fire and respond by going after Threesr. | ||
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Sylencia
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If Omni flips scum, I'd be more inclined to believe Chrom is likely town If Omni flips town, I am not sure it really gives much info about Chrom. Do you have a different perspective on that? | ||
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Chromatically
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Both Omni and shz were by far my top two scumreads d2, with Omni ahead mainly because of his slip. He still hasn't cleared that up completely, but his defense felt genuine enough to warrant bumping shz up to my top read. shz's posting in general looks worse than Omni's. | ||
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shz
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On December 23 2012 13:16 Aquanim wrote: So you're saying that you think Omni is town regardless of Chromatic's alignment. Could you justify this some more? If Omni is scum, the only explanation for his Spaghetti vote would be that Corazon is scum too. Why would he not jump on the Corazon wagon otherwise? Scum wants to kill anyone besides scum, so why start confusion when you just can take the safe bet without getting noticed. M conclusion is: If Omni is scum, Corazon has to be too. But then I don't get why he should still make a case against Cora, even if he backpaddled later? Why draw attenion to your buddy at all? On December 23 2012 13:32 Sylencia wrote: shz: what of the flipside, would that reveal anything about Chrome depending on what Omni is? Considering that Omni was the one that was under fire, I was trying to work it out myself If Omni flips scum, I'd be more inclined to believe Chrom is likely town If Omni flips town, I am not sure it really gives much info about Chrom. Do you have a different perspective on that? If Omni is town, Chroma could still be both. If Omni is scum, Chrome is town. But Mocstas case is still debunked, as sad as it is (considering the work he put in). On December 23 2012 13:27 cDgCorazon wrote: I feel like his earlier votes, along with his vote for you, are pressure votes to get you to contribute and defend yourself, things which you haven't done until now. In the case of Threesr, I was in the same thought pattern as you, except I feel like Threesr is coming back with a bad town/bad mafia reading. Both do not really affect us. I feel like we should leave Threesr alone for now because we have bigger fish to fry, and we can tell is someone in the future is mafia if they are under fire and respond by going after Threesr. Could be, I would like to hear it from him though. That makes sense. Threesr is of course always a good scapegood for everything. I'm still kind of afraid of him, but as long he doesn't contribute he can't do much damage, regardless of alignment. | ||
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Corazon
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On December 23 2012 13:55 shz wrote: If Omni is scum, the only explanation for his Spaghetti vote would be that Corazon is scum too. Why would he not jump on the Corazon wagon otherwise? Scum wants to kill anyone besides scum, so why start confusion when you just can take the safe bet without getting noticed. M conclusion is: If Omni is scum, Corazon has to be too. But then I don't get why he should still make a case against Cora, even if he backpaddled later? Why draw attenion to your buddy at all? That sir, is where you are sadly misinformed. If you've read the thread, you would see that Spag defended me, not attacked me. If Omni and I are scum, Omni would not have thrown me under the bus Day 1. That is a strategy scum would do if they wanted to lose. He would also not go on the offensive against someone who defended his scum mate, the logical thing to do would keep his vote on me and ride out Spag's lynch on Day 1. You don't understand why he would make a case against me and call me "100%" scum if we were both scum as well. I think you are taking the "Newbie" title in this thread just a bit too seriously. If the scum were to do things that you are suggesting the scum are doing, then this game would be over in 3 days. If you are going to accuse me of being scum buddies with Omni, you need to look at my filter. I have not made any huge argument for or against Omni in the entire game. To me, this just seems like you reaching for connections that just don't exist, and reads that you are hoping we are stupid enough to believe. ##unvote ##Vote:Shz | ||
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shz
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On December 23 2012 14:07 cDgCorazon wrote: That sir, is where you are sadly misinformed. If you've read the thread, you would see that Spag defended me, not attacked me. If Omni and I are scum, Omni would not have thrown me under the bus Day 1. That is a strategy scum would do if they wanted to lose. He would also not go on the offensive against someone who defended his scum mate, the logical thing to do would keep his vote on me and ride out Spag's lynch on Day 1. You don't understand why he would make a case against me and call me "100%" scum if we were both scum as well. I think you are taking the "Newbie" title in this thread just a bit too seriously. If the scum were to do things that you are suggesting the scum are doing, then this game would be over in 3 days. If you are going to accuse me of being scum buddies with Omni, you need to look at my filter. I have not made any huge argument for or against Omni in the entire game. To me, this just seems like you reaching for connections that just don't exist, and reads that you are hoping we are stupid enough to believe. ##unvote ##Vote:Shz You, sir did not understand my post at all. Maybe it was strangely worded so Ill try again: If Omni were scum, he could have just voted for you instead of going for Spaghetti, because at that time you were bout to get lynched. Except if you were scum too, than he had to rescue you from your demise. But if you were scum, and he were scum, we would not made his case againt you in the first place. This is why I don't think there is a reasom to believe Omni is scum. | ||
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