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shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
December 23 2012 05:20 GMT
#861
*he would not made his his case against you.


But, since you are getting all defensive. This line of arguing is not excludig you from being scum, just him and you. So you might stay defensive.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 23 2012 05:21 GMT
#862
On December 23 2012 14:18 shz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 14:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
On December 23 2012 13:55 shz wrote:

If Omni is scum, the only explanation for his Spaghetti vote would be that Corazon is scum too. Why would he not jump on the Corazon wagon otherwise? Scum wants to kill anyone besides scum, so why start confusion when you just can take the safe bet without getting noticed.
M conclusion is: If Omni is scum, Corazon has to be too. But then I don't get why he should still make a case against Cora, even if he backpaddled later? Why draw attenion to your buddy at all?



That sir, is where you are sadly misinformed. If you've read the thread, you would see that Spag defended me, not attacked me. If Omni and I are scum, Omni would not have thrown me under the bus Day 1. That is a strategy scum would do if they wanted to lose. He would also not go on the offensive against someone who defended his scum mate, the logical thing to do would keep his vote on me and ride out Spag's lynch on Day 1. You don't understand why he would make a case against me and call me "100%" scum if we were both scum as well. I think you are taking the "Newbie" title in this thread just a bit too seriously. If the scum were to do things that you are suggesting the scum are doing, then this game would be over in 3 days.

If you are going to accuse me of being scum buddies with Omni, you need to look at my filter. I have not made any huge argument for or against Omni in the entire game. To me, this just seems like you reaching for connections that just don't exist, and reads that you are hoping we are stupid enough to believe.

##unvote
##Vote:Shz


You, sir did not understand my post at all. Maybe it was strangely worded so Ill try again:

If Omni were scum, he could have just voted for you instead of going for Spaghetti, because at that time you were bout to get lynched. Except if you were scum too, than he had to rescue you from your demise. But if you were scum, and he were scum, we would not made his case againt you in the first place.
This is why I don't think there is a reasom to believe Omni is scum.


You should have put this in the original post -__-

##unvote
##Vote:Orangeremi
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 23 2012 05:25 GMT
#863
On December 23 2012 14:20 shz wrote:
*he would not made his his case against you.


But, since you are getting all defensive. This line of arguing is not excludig you from being scum, just him and you. So you might stay defensive.


Well I'm not going to keel over if you are trying to link me with someone who was suspicious and accuse me of being scum. I had a misunderstanding of what you had said because you said "if Omni is scum Corazon is scum" without giving your opinion on whether you think Omni is scum or not.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 23 2012 05:32 GMT
#864
On December 23 2012 14:25 cDgCorazon wrote:
who was suspicious.


EBWOP: who was under suspicion
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shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
December 23 2012 05:34 GMT
#865
I hope the confusion is cleared out then.

What is your current thought of chroma?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 23 2012 05:46 GMT
#866
On December 23 2012 14:34 shz wrote:
I hope the confusion is cleared out then.

What is your current thought of chroma?


My current thoughts on Chroma is that he is un-scummy. He has been very good in making cases against others, and his reasoning and logic has been extremely solid so far. He completely picked apart Mocsta's accusations, and that leads me to believe that he is town, and not just disassociating himself from Omni. He's answered any questions asked to him fully, and without hesitation. His upfrontness indicates that he has nothing sinister to hide.
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 09:10 GMT
#867
Y'all realise Threesr literally has not posted in day 2? wtf.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 09:16 GMT
#868
@Everyone: What are your views on a policy lynch of Threesr?

He's given us absolutely nothing to base his alignment on (aside from supporting lurking, which is WIFOM at best). He's not even putting in a desultory effort to find scum. I didn't push for a lynch on him day 1 because he at least was posting then and I hoped his activity would increase, but this is completely ridiculous.

I know scum has a motive to lurk whereas town doesn't (but often does anyway), but at this rate I'll never have a better read on him than coinflip. And there is no way in hell I want Threesr in the game when and if we hit LYLO, he'll be unreadable as scum and a liability as town.

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 09:17 GMT
#869
EBWOP: he'll be unreadable if he's scum and a liability if he's town.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 09:23 GMT
#870
Another EBWOP: I know I said I didn't support lurker policy lynching in general, but then I never thought I'd meet someone like this...
I call it a "policy lynch" because he hasn't done anything in particular to make me think he's scum except for doing nothing at all. Which, given there was no attention on him day 2, is in retrospect a pretty strong tell.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 23 2012 09:42 GMT
#871
Night 2 I outlined why SHZ was my strongest scumread and since then not much has changed in that regard. I view his posting this day2 the same as I did his day 1 posting. I will wait a bit more to see if he does anything to change this but so far SHZ is the one I want to vote for atm.
In regards to a lynch on threesr since that seems to be the topic atm. I said earlier that I didn't think his remarks on lurking were scummy, but then he proceeds to lurk all game and has really provided nothing (I know coming from me it is a bit ironic, but I have at least given out some reads and feel that I have given original thoughts and justification behind my votes thus far, but threesr has done literally nothing). The fact that he is lurking isn't necessarily scummy, but I think the fact that he feels justified in doing it and that he has basically told us "well this is what I am going to do all game" is scummy.

All that said I still have a scum read on SHZ and at this point would vote for him over threesr, but like I said above, I am waiting to see more and my mind could change.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 09:50 GMT
#872
@Kickstart: What do you think of Cakepie's posts today?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 23 2012 10:05 GMT
#873
Well, it seems I was wrong about him claiming blue (which I was literally going wtf?! about at the time) but most of his posting today has been back and forth with others trying to defend himself. I am not a huge fan of him because (as I pointed out earlier) he listed off a list of people he found scummy, then threw a vote on me who he said he had a null read on. He did retract his vote after I pointed this out, but he has yet to push any of the people that he thought were scummy. And he spent the majority of the day talking about role-blocks and theory-crafting what roles we have in the game, which is really a waste of time.

So a short answer to your question, I don't like his posting today because he lists scum reads but votes someone else and doesn't go after the people he listed and he spends the entirety of the day talking about role-blocks and defending himself.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 10:13 GMT
#874
I don't suppose you have any questions for me?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 23 2012 10:24 GMT
#875
Well you make a decent care against Orangeremi by pointing out all the weird things he has done. But could you maybe explain why you think they are scummy? He does a lot of flip-flopping (on spag and then on his stance on me) without any reason, but do you see a scum motive behind it? Especially say, giving me a null read after he gave me his 2nd highest scum read (since would it not be beneficial for scum to keep pressure on me)?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 10:30 GMT
#876
I just don't see any town motivation for his vote for FatChunk as opposed to Spaghetticus. He claimed Spag was his top scum read and that Spag's defence was unconvincing, so why not vote for him? The only reason I can think of is that he knew Spag would flip town and wanted to avoid responsibility for that.

As for changing his read on you, your post history is small enough that he could convincingly just go back on that whenever it's convenient for him.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
December 23 2012 10:36 GMT
#877
One brief answer first:

-----

On December 23 2012 06:15 FatChunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 09:08 cakepie wrote:
I was roleblocked. With Mocsta's flip I feel that it is thus more likely that this comes from Robert Bellarmine (scum RB) than Martin Luther (town RB).


I'm just curious, why would you assume it's scum RB?


This was in error if you refer to my other post shortly after that:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 22 2012 13:18 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 10:46 cakepie wrote:
Wait; one second. Would a jailkeeper action result in a roleblocked notification?

Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 10:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes.


Please confirm my understanding: because jailkeeper has priority over night KP, the jailkeep action will go through first, and will continue to apply despite death of the jailkeeper by KP (resolved later)

In which case, what I said here:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 09:08 cakepie wrote:
I was roleblocked. With Mocsta's flip I feel that it is thus more likely that this comes from Robert Bellarmine (scum RB) than Martin Luther (town RB)

may not be correct, as now that I have gone over mocsta's post it seems he certainly could have reasons to want to jail me for the night.


My first reaction was to associate the roleblock notification with the presence of a roleblocker, and it did not initially occur to me that the same could arise from the jailkeeper. Furthermore, at that point, having not gone over mocsta's pre-dawn post yet I had no reason to believe that mocsta would want to spend his action on me -- last I left off in early-mid N1 I thought he would be far more concerned about Omni/Aquanim/Chromatically and would have read me at null at worst.

-----

I'll be around for a few hours from now (with a brief interruption for dinner). Currently drafting cases, but since some people are here, please leave any questions you might want to direct at me and I will get to them later this evening.

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 10:54 GMT
#878
Aside from wondering what you think about lynching Threesr, any questions I have will probably be about whatever cases you're making. If I think of anything else I'll get back to you.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
December 23 2012 11:10 GMT
#879
In regards to lynching threesr, he's definitely not helping his cause with the unfriendly attitude of his and being afk during Day 2, but honestly I think we have more to go off right now than to be targetting him. If he continues to be a liability during Day 3, I would welcome a lynch on him since we have no idea where he stands atm.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 23 2012 11:13 GMT
#880
I agree that we have better leads at the moment so no need to vote threesr today, but if his "I am going to lurk and fuck you all if you don't like it" attitude doesn't change it is going to become really hard to ignore.
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