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blaze, the setup actually is a little complicated.... it does mean that townie may vote in a mafia to be blue right?
kush, you need to respect a native taiwanese a little more not think he's an idiot when it comes to his own language >_>
dandel was referring to your mistake with 说中文 because 文 refers to the writing form of the language.
not really because the language barely has grammar. every sentence has its own structure it's ridiculous
We do have grammatical rules which are the easiest among any other language I've known (zero conjugations for starters)
Of course, after reading a few of your posts it's no mystery why you can't crack it.
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Q: What happens if this game goes until Christmas?
A: If Christmas happens, the Day on which Christmas takes place will be extended by 24 hours as The Inquisition stays home to pray.
LOLOL
Just starting to really understand things since I'm kinda busy with my work =( Really liking this flavour especially how the Catholics are the mafia hahaha, Mr Blaze, did you come up with this?
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On December 15 2012 02:06 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 02:04 kushm4sta wrote:On December 14 2012 20:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush sure hates getting nk'd ive never been nked by scum! That isn't something to be proud of buddy.
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahah
didn't read it that way at first
ZING man, ZING
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Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk
At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction.
Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot
Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor
But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another
##Vote MrZentor
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ebwop : which changed my mind
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I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads)
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In other word I acknowleged that my prior "scum signs" I saw from DP and hapa weren't good enough considering zentor's behavior
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zentor is uncharacteristically timid this game how can you not see that
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On December 16 2012 12:50 Djodref wrote:
JieXan
First of all, I liked DYH latest case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:@DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again.
I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now. His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ. A behavior read. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start? Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. And then just proceeds to tunnel MrZ, which has not given us so much to work from. Right now, I think that JieXan has the most chances to flip scum. Hence my vote. ##Vote Jiexan
wth I started with commenting about the behavior from dp and hapa was confusing and mindless babbing and put scumminess in brackets: I'm the most consistent player here with my stand.
I only called dp and hapa townie / less likely to me mafia and not everyone else wth. Got no strong reads on anyone besides MRZ.
I've played a game with town hapa and I felt the same about his behavior while he was posting cases and I found his logic questionable at times too, guess what? I learnt that strong townie players DO do stupid things too.
My case against MrZ still stands firm:
He's extremely timid this game, read his damn posts: and compare it to his town filters.
Vote against himself,
DUH
vote against me,
comments on lurkers
NOT A SINGLE READ YET
On December 16 2012 14:01 Djodref wrote:
On the opposite, my case against JieXan is based on his scumslip regarding DP and Hapa.
I got a strong town read on dp and slightly town read on hapa. I said that I changed my mind as I was typing my first post, as I was thinking. It was a post about my train of thought.
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On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=137099
What? I see him making reads there on the first page.
Voting on someone and looking for reasons later is an act of a completely retarded 5 year old mafia player ......
I only posted my train of thought as my first post because I was about to leave and can only post in 10 hours later
I can't justify my read on dp yet because useful information is coming out right now as people as posting cases against me
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as people are* posting cases against me
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djo no, I don't have other solid reads yet because it's so easy to misintepret my rushed first post and jump on me .
On December 15 2012 14:57 thrawn2112 wrote:ok it's even better than that: Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor says hapa did suspicious stuff, said dp did suspicious stuff..... yet we are all townies trying to lynch each other? wtf?
it's only referring to hapa and dp , not you
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It's easy to bandwagon safely, which was what has been happening for the past day? And most other accusations were directed at dp and hapa and you which I think are not scummy (yet)
Next in the list are other lurkers which are hard to make a case against for now.
On December 16 2012 14:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
JieXian, you accuse zentor of being timid.... there are some other anti town words I can think of that describe his play so far but timid is definitely not one of them
what might that be?
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too add on to djo, I only got town reads
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i didn't include that game because I opened the filter and thought that it wasn't over
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Yes, he's a lot quieter than the other games I read through but you can't deny the existence of reads in the first page of his filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=137099
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djo I only have town reads well, because others are not posting too and I can only have suspicion at most on them
and of course posting my train of thought on my suspicions on people won't/wasn't a good idea
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On December 16 2012 16:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 16:50 JieXian wrote:i didn't include that game because I opened the filter and thought that it wasn't over Filters
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End of N2 Yes, he's a lot quieter than the other games I read through but you can't deny the existence of reads in the first page of his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=137099 It seems pretty similar in content really. Any difference IMO is pretty easily explained by the seeming consensus lynch target in this game atm (you). Speaking of the lynch, at this point I'm less interested in seeing you go after MrZ, and more interested in you read-dumping. The reads you've provided so far are pretty... non-controversial. You have two town-reads on the most active players in the game, and a scum-read on a troll-type player. There are many other people I want to hear your opinions about: Djo, Drazak, Kush... that's the analysis I want to see you provide.
non-controversial wth?
my explicit town reads were the cause of this mess on my side, maybe not for you but definitely for
On December 15 2012 14:51 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor o.O ##unvote
##vote JieXian
On December 16 2012 14:01 Djodref wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On the opposite, my case against JieXan is based on his scumslip regarding DP and Hapa.
And to answer your question, you have to give your own reasons for wanting to lynch JieXan. So we can have a better read on you. I don't understand how you can be so sure that JieXan is going to flip scum and I want you to explain yourself !
On December 15 2012 14:52 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 14:51 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor o.O ##unvote
##vote JieXian Yeah. I saw that too. But it seems to easy.
dp didn't push it hard though but it was only because it was "too easy"
and activeness will not be part of my main justification for towniness for dp and hapa and djo I can assure you that
I'll address the reads later
On December 16 2012 16:27 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
JieXian, you accuse zentor of being timid.... there are some other anti town words I can think of that describe his play so far but timid is definitely not one of them what might that be?
you still haven't answered me yet I'm genuinely curious
oh shit almost edited my post while i was quoting it
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and my reads on mrz were the justifications of
On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +@DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again.
I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now. His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ. A behavior read. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start?
not to mention yourself
On December 16 2012 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) Saying that "you changed your mind" on a read is pretty easy to do in a post. Why didn't you simply say so? Also, if you changed your mind on a read, why would you even mention an outdated read in the first place? Also, you called us (myself, DP, perhaps some others) all town. That's a problem.
That last post of yours made absolutely no sense
what the hell?
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EDIT: cleaned up my quote on hapa
and my reads on mrz were the basis of the justifications of
On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +@DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again.
I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now. His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ. A behavior read. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start?
I missed out yours earlier
On December 16 2012 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Also, you called us (myself, DP, perhaps some others) all town. That's a problem.
That last post of yours made absolutely no sense
what the hell?
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On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc
Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie
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On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null.
hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it
I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative
Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him.
and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now.
For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly?
I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible
I still get how more than 3 people are finding this so scummy
On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor
"At first -> later -> BUT ABOVE ALL "
Shows my train of thought as I was considering different things but made my final decision on the thing that is standing out the most.
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eywa I know you are doing something great for BW but I'd like you to post more and play the game more since you're already in it
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eywa you need to read through hapa's filters and get a feel for his style of play
I thought it was scummy when I played him the first time too. Just do it and remake your decision
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DAT hapa and thrawn silence
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On December 17 2012 02:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. One read through is enough. I thought that by definition, in order to participate, you'd have to be willing to read the thread. By saying you're not doing so, you just discredit your entire argument about thrawn even though some aspects may be valid. Lol, never said I didn't read the thread. Don't twist my words. I'm calling you out for being either too lazy to present your findings or scum trying to get everyone else to dig it up on their own. Telling people "Oh, just read the thread, he's scummy because this" is pretty baseless if you don't present exactly what you're talking about.
eywa is this your first time playing mafia lol?
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On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers?
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply
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I'll do it for you
On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible I still get how more than 3 people are finding this so scummy
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On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him.
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On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you.
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sorry to interrupt you lovebirds
I was talking about thrawn, not about myself
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I'm going to sleep for a while and wake up around 1 hour before lynch time ~4 am local time
whineeee
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I've never seen so many different variations of the spelling of my name before
=(
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On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 16:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Speaking of the lynch, at this point I'm less interested in seeing you go after MrZ, and more interested in you read-dumping. The reads you've provided so far are pretty... non-controversial. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Show nested quote +I still get how more than 3 people are finding this so scummy On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor "At first -> later -> BUT ABOVE ALL " Shows my train of thought as I was considering different things but made my final decision on the thing that is standing out the most.
let me leave this before i go
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On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn
On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers?
On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply
On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you.
So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles?
I get it
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ok really got to sleep now
#Unvote
#Vote: Mr Cheesecake
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On December 17 2012 04:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote:On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you.##unvote ##vote MrZentor The bolded part is incredibly scummy. Hedges bets, says he is a good lynch regardless of alignment. But is not policy lynching.
? He's been consistent in being against MrZ the whole game
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[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 05:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 05:28 MrZentor wrote:
The List of Reasons Eywa isn't scum. (Although it should be pretty apparent to anybody that reads through his filter)
1. It's unlikely that mafia would flat out insult somebody; they want to be on everybody's good side, so that they don't get lynched
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 03:17 Eywa- wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 03:15 MrZentor wrote:
I'm thinking.[/QUOTE]
If you weren't so busy thinking about how awesome of a player you are, maybe you'd have an answer :-/.[/QUOTE]
2. ACOLYTE IS VANILLA TOWN. That's right; he didn't scum slip.
3. He is a lot of good posts that I agree with.
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 03:07 Eywa- wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 03:02 threesr wrote:
haven't been reading this game too close but i want to lynch jiexian
[/QUOTE]
Are you for real... like, if this is the extent of your contribution, you shouldn't be playing. Clearly players are responsible for reading the thread.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 03:56 Eywa- wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow.
Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker?[/QUOTE]
Yes we need a vote count.
I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you.[/QUOTE]
So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles?
I get it
[/QUOTE]
Jx, you're really paranoid.
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much how it seems this game is going to go "We want you dead" even though he in no way seems to be guilty.
I hope someone sees reason before the vote is final.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
Cracked me up while I was cracking my head looking for answers
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shit
it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing
morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch
On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why.
WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN?
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On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so.
Ok join me
#Vote thrawn2122
On December 17 2012 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:REPOST: Just scanned Morbidius's filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him. There was the pre-emptive defensiveness that MrZ brought up earlier, as well as this: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. ##unvote
##vote MrZentor Justifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO.
if MrZ was town he was playing noob enough for me to go nuts for him
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On December 17 2012 05:52 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:47 MrZentor wrote:
Djo, read through Morbidiu's filter.
Then look through each of the cases against him.
Then read through Threesr's filter.
THERE IS NOTHING SCUMMY IN HIS FILTER.
We shouldn't be lynching a lurking town instead of an active scum.
If you want to lynch Threesr instead of Morb, list some reasons for why Threesr is scum, and Morb is town.
And if you can't find any reasons for why Threesr is scum, but still want to lynch him, that means you are lynching him solely on the fact that he is a lurker, and lynching a lurker should always be a last resort, when you can't find any scum..
lol Coming just before the deadline to drop his vote on the latest bandwagon is fucking scummy in my book. For mordi, I don't like his opening post and the way he reacted drazak's vote. But I like the fact that he is going after you. You made nothing to make me think that you are town.
if you have to drop a vote for someone other than morbid, it should be mrz. I'll gladly join
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On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me.
You seriously should have read my filter wth
I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid
shit
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On December 17 2012 05:58 MrZentor wrote:
Watch one scum unvote Morb in the last minute to save him, and people like Thrawn who are voting for random people will be to blame.
-.-
nah you're just scum wanting him to die
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On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl.
well you did post a case against the random ass person
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I was challenging mr cc if he'd remove his vote as he seemed ready to vote for thrawn
On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so.
On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me.
and he's getting more and more contradictory as he posts
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On December 17 2012 06:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch.
tell me how that;s better than our current situation
ok going for real
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On December 17 2012 11:33 kushm4sta wrote:
so this is ewyas first forum gameright? and knowing that you actually still think he's scum? I looked at filter and he looks pretty obvtown to me.
djo is scum...more tomorrow.
hapa or thrawn one of those is prob scum.
one of the more quiet lurker people, one of those is probably scum.. I'm thinking dhs maybe jx.
you're the idiot who switched his vote onto morbidus "(no shenanigans)" while I Was fighting for his life
On December 17 2012 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote morb
no shennanigans
get why you've never got NKed before
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On December 17 2012 14:28 Hapahauli wrote:I'll post something tomorrow afternoon at longer length. Off the top of my head...
DYH's play has been very non-involved. He pops in, offers a consensus opinion, and pops out. I'm not sure if he's scum, but he's one to keep an eye out for.
I still think JieXian is mafia. Despite his defense, his voting antics are really really strange. He ends up voting you (Thrawn) at the end of the day and I have no idea where his scumread came from. He was very suspicious of Mr. Cheesecake, had his vote parked on him, then out of nowhere does this: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122On December 17 2012 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:REPOST: Just scanned Morbidius's filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him. There was the pre-emptive defensiveness that MrZ brought up earlier, as well as this: On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. ##unvote
##vote MrZentorJustifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO. if MrZ was town he was playing noob enough for me to go nuts for him ... so he votes the candidate that one of his top scumreads is pushing? Errrrrrrrg. JieXian justifies his vote with this... Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:13 JieXian wrote:I was challenging mr cc if he'd remove his vote as he seemed ready to vote for thrawn On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. and he's getting more and more contradictory as he posts ... but it's pretty unconvincing. He voted thrawn to "dare" Mr. Cheesecake to vote him? I'm not really buying it - it reads a lot like JieXian doesn't give a shit about who dies.
I was pushing for a no-lynch over someone who I read as townie.
Ever since that post below which started making me doubt you, your logic has been terrible and I gave you the BOTD while waiting for you to answer me and after pushing the morbidius lynch and your arguements with eywa you have been screaming schum
On December 16 2012 20:35 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On December 16 2012 16:55 Hapahauli wrote:[
It seems pretty similar in content really. Any difference IMO is pretty easily explained by the seeming consensus lynch target in this game atm (you).
Speaking of the lynch, at this point I'm less interested in seeing you go after MrZ, and more interested in you read-dumping. The reads you've provided so far are pretty... non-controversial. You have two town-reads on the most active players in the game, and a scum-read on a troll-type player. There are many other people I want to hear your opinions about: Djo, Drazak, Kush... that's the analysis I want to see you provide.
explain that
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On December 17 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch. tell me how that;s better than our current situation ok going for real
saw that?
hapa and mrcc are definitely scumbuddies
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hapa you're probably just posting that case so you can shoot me later
On December 17 2012 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
From reading your filter it really doesn't look like you have a scumread on cheesecake
it's so blatant
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On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:
...
Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I know you won't get it because you're scum but
that's just a figure of speech because he was ALONE in thinking you're scum
On December 17 2012 11:42 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:25 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:23 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 11:17 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 11:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer Not really, the majority has yet to agree with you. And a single person has yet to agree with you... That's no problem, if they disagree with me, they lose. Typically this happens... I don't see why more faith wouldn't be put in the guy who was already proven right... I'm arguing with a couple of people who just lynched a civilian. lol I'll remember this argument for my next scumgame ^^ This assumes you can figure out which players are civilians - which you can't. And this is something you, on the opposite, can do right now  How did you know that Morbidius was a civilian before he was killed ? Because you are mafia and know who is townie and who is mafia of course ! Same for Hapa, you knew his alignement. Could you tell us who are your scumbuddies please ? Is that kush ?
he got a town read on morbid that's how he "knows" his alignment
why the hell is everyone repeating this shitty argument? I used to have a townie read on you and now I'm not so sure
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On December 17 2012 14:28 Hapahauli wrote:I'll post something tomorrow afternoon at longer length. Off the top of my head...
DYH's play has been very non-involved. He pops in, offers a consensus opinion, and pops out. I'm not sure if he's scum, but he's one to keep an eye out for.
I still think JieXian is mafia. Despite his defense, his voting antics are really really strange. He ends up voting you (Thrawn) at the end of the day and I have no idea where his scumread came from. He was very suspicious of Mr. Cheesecake, had his vote parked on him, then out of nowhere does this: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122On December 17 2012 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:REPOST: Just scanned Morbidius's filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him. There was the pre-emptive defensiveness that MrZ brought up earlier, as well as this: On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. ##unvote
##vote MrZentorJustifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO. if MrZ was town he was playing noob enough for me to go nuts for him ... so he votes the candidate that one of his top scumreads is pushing? Errrrrrrrg. JieXian justifies his vote with this... Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:13 JieXian wrote:I was challenging mr cc if he'd remove his vote as he seemed ready to vote for thrawn On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. and he's getting more and more contradictory as he posts ... but it's pretty unconvincing. He voted thrawn to "dare" Mr. Cheesecake to vote him? I'm not really buying it - it reads a lot like JieXian doesn't give a shit about who dies.
lol what kind of an idiot would still think I'm scum after all that?
you're not stupid like kush so you're just keeping your NK options open between me and eywa with your ludicrous read on him
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oh wait you won't need to shoot eywa what was I tihnking
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On December 17 2012 22:02 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 21:31 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 06:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch. tell me how that;s better than our current situation ok going for real saw that? hapa and mrcc are definitely scumbuddies @ JieXianSo, according to you, MrZentor, Hapa ans Cheesecake are the scumteam, right ? And that makes Eywa town... I strongly disagree with you. And I should be town, right ? The problem with your reasoning is that you are making association cases before the flip. If you want to prove that Hapa is scum, you have to make an independent case against him. I want you to show me what is wrong in Hapa's case against eywa. I want you to write a strong case against Hapa. Then you can start to post like you do. If you cannot write your case, it's probably because Hapa is town, as I believe he is, or because yourself is mafia. I'm just asking you to convince me, ok ?
I don't know who the 3rd guy is yet, it's either thrawn or mrz. Not sure about you.
OF course eywa is town.
Coming up with a case on hapa soon
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Hapa and mrcc won't die to NK
Only me and eywa are going after hapa so they may or may not shoot us due to wifom logic
the rest are clueless sheeps and lurkers which are ready to sheep hapa anytime so they should be kept alive.
If you happen to think you're not a clueless guy, don't prove it to hapa lol stay as clueless as you can please
still don't know who's the third guy
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On December 17 2012 22:37 Hapahauli wrote:@JieXianWhere did you run off to? I asked you a question, and I expect responses for these things: @ EywaYou throwing around names without reasoning isn't doing town any good. Explain why you think Mr. CC and Djo are scum. You've given zero rationale for it.
Firstly, YOU're the one who has been avoiding my questions
On December 17 2012 02:34 JieXian wrote:
DAT hapa and thrawn silence
On December 17 2012 03:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 16:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Speaking of the lynch, at this point I'm less interested in seeing you go after MrZ, and more interested in you read-dumping. The reads you've provided so far are pretty... non-controversial. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible let me leave this before i go
__________
and to answer the question, I've been getting everyone to NOT to vote for morbid DESPITE it being my life saver
On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN?
On December 17 2012 05:55 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:52 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 05:47 MrZentor wrote:
Djo, read through Morbidiu's filter.
Then look through each of the cases against him.
Then read through Threesr's filter.
THERE IS NOTHING SCUMMY IN HIS FILTER.
We shouldn't be lynching a lurking town instead of an active scum.
If you want to lynch Threesr instead of Morb, list some reasons for why Threesr is scum, and Morb is town.
And if you can't find any reasons for why Threesr is scum, but still want to lynch him, that means you are lynching him solely on the fact that he is a lurker, and lynching a lurker should always be a last resort, when you can't find any scum..
lol Coming just before the deadline to drop his vote on the latest bandwagon is fucking scummy in my book. For mordi, I don't like his opening post and the way he reacted drazak's vote. But I like the fact that he is going after you. You made nothing to make me think that you are town. if you have to drop a vote for someone other than morbid, it should be mrz. I'll gladly join
On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbidshit
On December 17 2012 05:35 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 04:45 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote:On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you.##unvote ##vote MrZentor The bolded part is incredibly scummy. Hedges bets, says he is a good lynch regardless of alignment. But is not policy lynching. ? He's been consistent in being against MrZ the whole game
Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly
STRING HIM UP
and I supposedly "lurk" at times (don't even try to jump on this as a scumslip) because I have real life things to do too. I was at the gym, and I was at work earlier in the day
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On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why.
On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person
On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122
Mrcc care to explain all that?
Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person
HELLO?
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On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote:
@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who...
read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency
town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else
you people have been voting based on 1 thing
jx - scumslip
morbid - scumslip
eywa - scumslip
read the dam case
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On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody. I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do.
let's look at your justifications on your vote for morbid
On December 17 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good? Ill think about it honey.
On December 17 2012 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, may as well...
##Unvote
##Vote Morbidius
L O fucking L
Here are my reasons to vote for thrawn
On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to implymy read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperativeReading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him.
On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply
On December 17 2012 02:54 JieXian wrote:I'll do it for you Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible
Do you know what happened after you posted the case on thrawn?
you chatted with eywa against going for hapa
On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people.
On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers?
and GAVE UP
No one influential came in to discredit you yet -- neither hapa nor DP. And you shove away the only person who agreed with you = me
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On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote:
@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case
ok it's not actually a case
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On December 18 2012 01:04 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote:
@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case I would vote Eywa for the whole case Hapa brought up against him. And, yes, the deciding point for me was the scumslip. Go read NMM XXVIII in my profile and see scum kush getting lynched D1 for a scumslip of this order. What scumslip are you talking about regarding morbidius ? I don't remember this. And your case is weak. I would go as far as saying that it's not even a case. What logic are you talking about ?
he's been going back and forth finding ways to accuse me and when people are trying to hard because they're mafia, they make huge mistakes
like mrcc and hapa
no one else, except kush but I already know that he's an idiot based on his pre game posts and his in game posts. Eywa's "scumslip" was about calling him a townie because it was the concensus wth
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On December 18 2012 01:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, please, save it. How the fuck could I push a Thrawn lynch with such little time? The bandwagon was either you or Morb, I had to pick one. Nobody even showed the slightest interest, except you, with barely any time left on the clock.
Eywa's vote on Hapa was shit and everyone knows that.
why did you get on the bandwagon against morb?
why have you stopped pushing it now?
I don't mind about your chatting with eywa nor your request for a vote count lol
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On December 18 2012 01:04 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote:
@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case I would vote Eywa for the whole case Hapa brought up against him. And, yes, the deciding point for me was the scumslip. Go read NMM XXVIII in my profile and see scum kush getting lynched D1 for a scumslip of this order. What scumslip are you talking about regarding morbidius ? I don't remember this. And your case is weak. I would go as far as saying that it's not even a case. What logic are you talking about ?
think of a strong town player like dp, being careful about his decisions
what about hapa? JUPM ON HIM JUMP ON HIM SCUMSLIIIIIIIIIIIP JUMP EVERYONE
comparing kush to someone who's able to raise money for a bw tournament and organise things is a huge insult to him.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387231
please.
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On December 18 2012 01:24 Djodref wrote:
Why did Eywa not present a reasonable case against Hapa ? Your job as town is to convince other people that you are right.
I don't think that Eywa's behavior speaks for a town Eywa. So, the scumslip here is damning in my view.
I called him out on that too and asked him if it's his first game. He said that it was his first on tl mafia. I cannot know what was he thinking but it doesn't appear scummy to me at all, it appeared nooby since it was his first time.
Scum would accuse people and latch on to anything they can find.
He called him scum without any proper justification or quoting and sticked on to it.
I don't see how is that scummy. I'm giving him the BOTD for now, thinking that he'll post something concrete soon. For now, I'm agreeing with him as long as he wants to lynch hapa and mrcc and based on the fact that he wanted to save morbid too.
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On December 18 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:19 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:04 Djodref wrote:On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote:
@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case I would vote Eywa for the whole case Hapa brought up against him. And, yes, the deciding point for me was the scumslip. Go read NMM XXVIII in my profile and see scum kush getting lynched D1 for a scumslip of this order. What scumslip are you talking about regarding morbidius ? I don't remember this. And your case is weak. I would go as far as saying that it's not even a case. What logic are you talking about ? think of a strong town player like dp, being careful about his decisions what about hapa? JUPM ON HIM JUMP ON HIM SCUMSLIIIIIIIIIIIP JUMP EVERYONEcomparing kush to someone who's able to raise money for a bw tournament and organise things is a huge insult to him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387231please. Why are you misinterpreting the events ? Hapa's case against Eywa has been the most extensive case in this game + Show Spoiler [Hapa's case] +On December 17 2012 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Eywa-
Introduction:One of my weaknesses as a player is catching more active mafia players. I tend to read into activity as genuinity a little too much. When I unvoted Eywa- earlier, it was partially because of that. While he came into the thread, he all of a sudden was actively pushing a case (against myself), and he looked to me like a confirmation-bias spewing townie. However, when you really examine his play from yesterday, that's just simply not the case. If there's one player that was pushing mafia objectives yesterday, it was Eywa-.
Table of Contents:1) Ewya's "Case" 2) Ewya "Addressing" My Defenses 3) Ewya "Pushing" His Case (or, why this is isn't simply him being stupid town) 4) Post-Lynch Anger ***This one is the most damning***
#1: Ewya's "Case" Against me First let's establish the context of Eywa's case. 1) He was absent for most of Day 1 2) When he arrived in the thread, he started bombing suspicion against a player who had no chance of getting lynched (myself). The second point is the most relevant. It's a very common mafia tactic to bomb a third party case to create chaos in the town. It's also very common for mafia to push a player who has no chance of getting lynched, as they can appear to be useful while not doing anything for the town. Now none of this makes him scum alone (yet), however, when you start to look at the content of his cases, it's very very lacking. Basically Eywa's entire point against me is that I've been "bandwagonning." The spoiler below is his compilation of posts on the subject: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote:
Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask. On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:
##Vote MrZentor
Because I can. Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. One way for mafia to avoid making analysis is to be obsessed with irrelevant topics. In this case, Eywa- is obssessed with the idea of bandwagonning. Even though bandwagonning has no relevance to one's allignment, he uses it as a talking point over and over again. But more importantly, he's somehow 100% convinced that I'm scum based on this talking point, which is nonsensical.
#2: Eywa- "Addressing" My Defense Initially thinking he was a confirmation-bais ladened townie, I took some time to address his accusations. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#760Here for example, I made a fairly long and well laid out post for why his accusations were wrong. His replies: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:20 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain? 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you. Eywa straight-up ignores me. He doesn't even read my defense. He doesn't attempt to analyze it. Instead, he keeps screaming "Hapa is scum" without any substance. A townie would atleast attempt to read my defense. Eywa doesn't - he keeps trying to push his suspicion while avoiding any attempts at analysis.
#3: Eywa "Pushing" His Case The problem is that Eywa doesn't push his case against me. He's more concerned about justifying his own vote on me rather than convincing others to vote for his top scumread. For example: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefOn December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn While you make a decent case against Thrawn, I still think that there is more of a case against hapahauli, thus I will not change my vote. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:06 Eywa- wrote:
It is not my first time playing mafia, it is my first time playing TL Mafia. Previous character profiles are a nuisance to the town, they generally bring people to quick and unfortunate assumptions, if someone plays a certain way 10 times and are a townie every time, why wouldn't they play the same way once they got mafia?
It's common sense... Previous knowledge can be used for serious meta-games, stay away from it.
Otherwise, it suffices to say that: I am not going to jump on someone else's band wagon just because it's a popular choice. I will remain with my vote on hapahauli. I don't believe him to be a town. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:14 MrZentor wrote:
Eywa isn't scum.
-.- He's randomly hopped onto about 5-6 people willy nilly just because it sounds like a good idea at the time, I'd get rid of him (as I've said from my first post, my mind hasn't changed and there is nothing that has been posted that seems more accusation worthy than how he's hopped around). Look at all the above posts. He's not trying to get me lynched. He's trying tell everyone "Hey! I have a reason to vote this guy!" The ONLY time he ever attempts to get other people to lynch me is the following:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Look at that weak-ass shit. "Please guys, sway your votes." This coming from the guy who is foaming at the mouth that I am scum.
#4: Eywa's Post-Lynch Anger Eywa made this post a couple of hours before the deadline... ... which struck me as really odd for it's pessimism. So what does town Eywa- do when he thinks townies are going to the gallows and he's convinced I'm scum? NOTHING! That's right! Nothing! While the town scrambles to put together a lynch at the last minute, this is what he does in the last 25 minutes: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:38 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:On December 16 2012 23:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 16 2012 23:55 JieXian wrote:
eywa I know you are doing something great for BW but I'd like you to post more and play the game more since you're already in it I fully intend on posting ;; I was out yesterday, no chance to post or read. Also, I've already pretty much done everything I am going to do for BW, just a couple details left to sort out, but that definitely won't be consuming my time. Just got back to reading the thread. WTF. You edited your post?! Please read the rules. No editing of posts allowed. I didn't intend to, if it happened, I apologize. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote:
Q: Which townie predicted this?
A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member. HERP DERP ALL YOU GUYS SUCK I AM AWESOME 'CAUSE I PREDICTED THIS AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.
In conclusion, lynch Eywa- tomorrow. He's pushing mafia objectives, he has no case against me, he didn't push said case against me, and his post-lynch anger is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread. and I think it is spot on. The scumslip is just the icing on the cake here and it's true that people have mainly focused on this one. I didn't see Eywa addressing the big case against him so far. Show me why you thing this case is wrong.
He should defend himself I don't like making assumptions on how his thought process works beacuse I can only imagine part of it.
I'll just say that there wasn't anything wrong with post lynch anger because it was based on his READ on morb.
hapa's complainig that he (hapa) was ignored doesn't say anything because he's been ignoring my questions since yesterday
He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this:
Funny how hapa doesn't see how I was preventing the mislynch lol and was questioning me
HAPA YOU made the "mislynch"
address that
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and if hapa is really such a strong town player,
WHY DIDNT VIGI shoot him yet? I'm absolutely sure he won the witchcraft vote
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On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right?
I don't get this are you thinking mafia won all the votes?
hapa did. who's the third one
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On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already?
because hapa's alive
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On December 18 2012 01:53 Hapahauli wrote:I'm not really sure what JieXian is doing. His tunnel on me seems super-forced, and I'm leaning scum on him. Like he says I'm ignoring his questions... but didn't ask me any questions? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=52#1029(First part of this post) Firstly, he's been screaming that Eywa is town without having provided any rationale for it so far. Second, he's misrepresenting his actions regarding the Morbidius lynch yesterday. I'll admit that I missed some of his stuff regarding morbidius in his filter, however, he never talked about why the morbidius lynch was a bad idea (other than "he was consistent against MrZ). He just kept saying it was a bad idea. In addition, his suspicions make very little sense with his voting. His top scumread was MrZ for most of Day 1, yet his votes were on MrCC and Thrawn... wha? Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
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if you have to drop a vote for someone other than morbid, it should be mrz. I'll gladly join His suspicions just don't add up with his votes. He shifts his vote around willy-nilly and it reads like he doesn't give a shit about who dies. As long as it wasn't Morbidius of course, with whom he never explained his town read on.
Are you SERIOUSLY asking me to justify why I didn't explicitly post a strong pro town on a guy,
--whom I defended crazily
--whom I never had scum reads on
--whom I was trying to swing the votes away from?
LOL
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About the whole MrZ thing:
look who am I tunelling on now? MrCC and you. I have been attacking mrcc since before the lynch. Thrawn was a vote to pressure MrCC many people showed me the filter to mrz's paranoia mafia game, which I missed and I rationalised and stopped training on him after people showed me that it was a weak case.
He's now on my grey area list and I'm still unsure about him as I said to djo
On December 18 2012 00:05 JieXian wrote:
Hapa and mrcc won't die to NK
Only me and eywa are going after hapa so they may or may not shoot us due to wifom logic
the rest are clueless sheeps and lurkers which are ready to sheep hapa anytime so they should be kept alive.
If you happen to think you're not a clueless guy, don't prove it to hapa lol stay as clueless as you can please
still don't know who's the third guy
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For you question about my question you'll find this inside the spoiler:
For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly?
On December 18 2012 00:41 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 22:37 Hapahauli wrote:@JieXianWhere did you run off to? I asked you a question, and I expect responses for these things: Where in your filter do you read morbidius as townie? I haven't found it. @ EywaYou throwing around names without reasoning isn't doing town any good. Explain why you think Mr. CC and Djo are scum. You've given zero rationale for it. Firstly, YOU're the one who has been avoiding my questions Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:37 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 16:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Speaking of the lynch, at this point I'm less interested in seeing you go after MrZ, and more interested in you read-dumping. The reads you've provided so far are pretty... non-controversial. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible let me leave this before i go __________ and to answer the question, I've been getting everyone to NOT to vote for morbid DESPITE it being my life saver Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:55 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:52 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 05:47 MrZentor wrote:
Djo, read through Morbidiu's filter.
Then look through each of the cases against him.
Then read through Threesr's filter.
THERE IS NOTHING SCUMMY IN HIS FILTER.
We shouldn't be lynching a lurking town instead of an active scum.
If you want to lynch Threesr instead of Morb, list some reasons for why Threesr is scum, and Morb is town.
And if you can't find any reasons for why Threesr is scum, but still want to lynch him, that means you are lynching him solely on the fact that he is a lurker, and lynching a lurker should always be a last resort, when you can't find any scum..
lol Coming just before the deadline to drop his vote on the latest bandwagon is fucking scummy in my book. For mordi, I don't like his opening post and the way he reacted drazak's vote. But I like the fact that he is going after you. You made nothing to make me think that you are town. if you have to drop a vote for someone other than morbid, it should be mrz. I'll gladly join Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbidshit Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:35 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 04:45 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote:On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you.##unvote ##vote MrZentor The bolded part is incredibly scummy. Hedges bets, says he is a good lynch regardless of alignment. But is not policy lynching. ? He's been consistent in being against MrZ the whole game Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly STRING HIM UP and I supposedly "lurk" at times (don't even try to jump on this as a scumslip) because I have real life things to do too. I was at the gym, and I was at work earlier in the day
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On December 18 2012 01:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:44 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:24 Djodref wrote:
Why did Eywa not present a reasonable case against Hapa ? Your job as town is to convince other people that you are right.
I don't think that Eywa's behavior speaks for a town Eywa. So, the scumslip here is damning in my view.
I called him out on that too and asked him if it's his first game. He said that it was his first on tl mafia. I cannot know what was he thinking but it doesn't appear scummy to me at all, it appeared nooby since it was his first time. Scum would accuse people and latch on to anything they can find. He called him scum without any proper justification or quoting and sticked on to it. I don't see how is that scummy. I'm giving him the BOTD for now, thinking that he'll post something concrete soon. For now, I'm agreeing with him as long as he wants to lynch hapa and mrcc and based on the fact that he wanted to save morbid too. JX, you aren't giving him the "BOTD" - you're calling him "OBV TOWN" and that warrants much more of a justification than what you've been providing.
I cannot justify strongly for him but I'm sure he's town because he's onto the right people
hapa and mrcc
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he's not playing super strong town, just like I'm not (with my first post for example), because we're new
however his intentions and actions are clear. He's town to me until he suddenly choose a few scum candidates that don't make sense
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On December 18 2012 02:22 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive because you are part of the mafia team, that's the simplest explanation
hapa was on eywa while I wasn't posting on N1, when DP was shot.
How the hell would it be more advantageous to convince everyone to vote for hapa when only EYWA and I think that he's scum?
think about it
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mafia shooting dp and hapa were no brainers,
if they were both townie
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On December 18 2012 02:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive So I'm town. Lol.
because scum can't get shot by scum vigis...............
???????????????????
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On December 18 2012 02:21 Hapahauli wrote:
No JX, I'm questioning why you never explained your read. It's pretty damn easy to say "LOL HE"S TOWN." What's difficult is the justification. You provided none.
Where was your justification for the Morbidius read?
Secondly, I don't see where my "contradiction" is or whatever. You didn't get votes on you because of your reads - you got votes on you because people thought you scumslipped. The actual reads themselves were rather uncontroversial, as I've explained a bunch of times.
OK I get you. No, I didn't provide a long written out case that he's townie. Nor do I have a long written out case for eywa showing that he's townie
I have long written out cases for scum
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On December 18 2012 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:27 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 02:22 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive So I'm town. Lol. because scum can't get shot by scum vigis............... ??????????????????? No see that doesn't make much sense. Why would me being alive explain how you know scum didn't take a second shot?
beacuse it would have been for the next top witchcraft candidate
ie you?
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tell me who's the next most towniest person you can tihnk of
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who's townier than you?
no one
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and by townier im referring to the concensus no more cheap ass tricks
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On December 18 2012 02:21 Hapahauli wrote:
No JX, I'm questioning why you never explained your read. It's pretty damn easy to say "LOL HE"S TOWN." What's difficult is the justification. You provided none.
Where was your justification for the Morbidius read?
Secondly, I don't see where my "contradiction" is or whatever. You didn't get votes on you because of your reads - you got votes on you because people thought you scumslipped. The actual reads themselves were rather uncontroversial, as I've explained a bunch of times.
people thought I scumslipped because I gave you and dp suspicion and then called you both townies
my supposedly inconsistent read (it was just a train of thought thing) was the sole reason for my near lynch
my "read" was intepreted as a scumslip
oh my god out of respect for your intelligence you can't possibly be town
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On December 18 2012 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now. We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none. Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him?
Please convince me and eywa and zentor why
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[QUOTE]On December 18 2012 02:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote:
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.
Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).
So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.[/QUOTE]
Again, it depends on what the mafia are trying to do. DP was a good witchcraft target, and apparently they were correct. They might have been afraid Hapa didn't get the votes because he was obvs town and decided not to shoot.
I'm not saying it isn't the likely course of action, I'm saying it's really not concrete evidence.
Scum want to fuck with your head.[/QUOTE]
sounds like I just went to church lol
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On December 18 2012 02:49 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
I hope you don't honestly believe that. I could say the same. But clearly you do. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:44 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 02:21 Hapahauli wrote:
No JX, I'm questioning why you never explained your read. It's pretty damn easy to say "LOL HE"S TOWN." What's difficult is the justification. You provided none.
Where was your justification for the Morbidius read?
Secondly, I don't see where my "contradiction" is or whatever. You didn't get votes on you because of your reads - you got votes on you because people thought you scumslipped. The actual reads themselves were rather uncontroversial, as I've explained a bunch of times. people thought I scumslipped because I gave you and dp suspicion and then called you both townies my supposedly inconsistent read (it was just a train of thought thing) was the sole reason for my near lynch my "read" was intepreted as a scumslip oh my god out of respect for your intelligence you can't possibly be town You're not getting what I'm saying at all. Yes, people thought you scumslipped for your inconsistent read. However, I'm not talking about that when I say your reads are "non-controversial." At that point in the game, it was obvious that me and DP were town. Virtually everyone thought so. You also went after a lynch-bait type player in MrZ. Those are "non-controversial" reads in the sense that you didn't do anything useful. Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town), and your top scumread was just the "troll" of the thread.
On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa
On December 15 2012 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Why DP is Scum+ Show Spoiler +
Strange Tunnel on DjoOn December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref.Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.
There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far.So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Two things to note about the red/bolded passage: 1) DP does everything short of sucking my dick here. He buddies me just about as hard as you can in this passage. For example, I made no claims that a 10-3 setup is "super town favored." Nor is it actually "super town favored." Yet he goes and exhalts my idea as "really really good." 2) One of DP's main reasons for suspecting Djo at this point is that Djo disagrees with my assessment on the 10-3 setup thing. Part of the implication here is that DP agrees thtaThis is odd, considering his next post. On December 15 2012 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game 1- you are valuing blues to highly 2- That is a ridiculous proposition 3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP?
Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP? Despite agreeing with my "10-3 setup" stuff earlier, DP all of a sudden is assuming that Djodref is correct in his setup theory without any clarification from the mod in the mean time. This doesn't make sense at all. How could you agree with my comments and speculation, then go and post something like this? Very simply, DP lost track of the reasons he was tunneling Djo. His tunneling doesn't have a townie thought-process behind it - he's just trying to heap as much suspicion on Djo as he can. This is pretty clear by his next post on the subject: On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? This sounds so desperate to me. It's very clear by now that the argument between me and Djo is simply a misunderstanding of the OP, yet DP twists the hell out of his words and flips a shit.
Other Stuff:Firstly, DP's first post: On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. The only purpose of this post is to stifle discussion. There's zero reason you should be so against policy talk before it even starts. Secondly, when I vote him - mind you I'm the ONLY person to be suspicious of him so far - he whines about it: On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. The whining is completely disproportionate to the suspicion put on him. In addition, DP doesn't hate playing town. Fact.
On December 15 2012 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:02 Hapahauli wrote:Well the problem is that DP tunneled you (Djo) without having ever even asked or cared about one of the key points he found you scummy for. DP found you initially scummy because he seemingly believed that a 10/3 setup was achievable. On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. But as it turns out, Djo was right. And then DP turns around and completely forgets about it and tunnels him for the opposite. On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? But on top of all this, he has one vote on him, and he's already whining... On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. Lynch this sucker. He's scum. No. the vote wasn't for voting against your plan. It was for voting you when there was absolutely no reason for you to be scum. I didn't really care about the plan at all. It was also for being an idiot about not sharing town reads. I didn't change the reason Ivoted for him. The reason I voted him still stands regardless of the fate of your 'idea' he was voting you for absolutely no reason and was justifying it with something that was not alignment indicative. The thing I noted later was not the 'new' reason for my vote but an ADDITIONAL reason. Also whining is not alignment indicative. Which you should well know. I whined as town in Mario. Your case is a dog that needs to be put down. I actually can't see town hapa making a case this horrible. But I have seen scum hapa make shitty cases like this. ##unvote
##vote: hapa
On December 15 2012 12:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Darthpunk
........hello?
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On December 18 2012 02:55 kushm4sta wrote:
I have almost no time today but I'm trying to keep up with the thread so I don't have millions of pages to read tomorrow.
@Jiexian WHY DO YOU HATE ME DUDE? What did I even do to you? I even sent you that awesome song in PM. And every fucking post it seems like, all you can talk about is how dumb I am... like wtf why are you flaming me?
sorry, nothing personal, trying to save eywa. Not flaming you, trying to win the game.
thanks for the song
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On December 18 2012 03:01 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, Eywa,and JieXian, did you guys vote for Hapa?
eywa and I certainly didn't
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On December 18 2012 03:03 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 03:01 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, Eywa,and JieXian, did you guys vote for Hapa? eywa and I certainly didn't Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 01:53 JieXian wrote:
and if hapa is really such a strong town player,
WHY DIDNT VIGI shoot him yet? I'm absolutely sure he won the witchcraft vote He didn't get my vote, but I agree with that.
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ok good night it's bloody 2 am
thrawn and kush and everyone else please think about why isn't hapa shot yet
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On December 18 2012 07:05 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:04 kushm4sta wrote:
@hapa it makes perfect sense to me why you are not dead. Why are you pretending it's a surprise?
Scum almost never kill the most obv nk because they think he might be protected. Thrawn's kill was brilliant, gives away basically nothing. would be like kill drazak
Sorry about the lateless, I've been having a lot of work to do and had some cold and needed to catch up on my sleep
I'll catch up with the thread but let me say that I've been giving MRCC a lot of shit for posting his case against thrawn and letting go right after that WITHOUT EVEN TRYING (before DP and hapa was around)
He said that he would push for thrawn is he could and all that.
Well now I can't pressure him on that point anymore
Hapa you're really breaking down I've been repeating that I changed my vote onto thrawn to pressure him.
I'm at page 64 and am going to the gym now
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On December 18 2012 07:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:21 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm not convinced on Mr Cheese. I want to see JieXian dead first and foremost. Your cling to defend him suggests one thing, we have to kill him... and then you... or you and then him... Either way, rage on sir! I've posted why JieXian is scum. Several times. In my filter. JieXian wasn't voting for people he thought was scum. He voted the top scumread of his top scumread (thrawn, instead of voting CC). When I called him out for it, he flipped a shit and omgus'd me. He's scum dawg.
I was suspecting you ever since you ignored my questions on D1 and also due to your terrible case against morbid
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On December 18 2012 04:59 Eywa- wrote:
Okay, so what I have to say about the situation right now is, the people I voted to blue are all townies and I'll vote to blue the same people every day until they're killed (which they haven't been yet).
Second, I just love how ALL talk about scumslips have been avoided ever since hapa jumped out and accidentally said he was scum... Sorry, not excusable as a "typo". Try being less stressed about getting exposed.
Please, discuss why hapa gets a free pass over his scumslip? If anything he should be nuked harder because he's an experienced player and for him to actually crack would be tough because he knows just how bad it is when you do... Yet he struggled so much with his emotions that he couldn't keep it together for his post... I really don't see how that is NOT a slip.
well because it's not in the scum's benefit to ride that scumslip train against one of their own (yet)
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On December 18 2012 08:05 Hapahauli wrote:*deep breath* So Regarding JieXian: He's simply not voting for people that he thinks is mafia. This post proves it: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122On December 17 2012 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:REPOST: Just scanned Morbidius's filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him. There was the pre-emptive defensiveness that MrZ brought up earlier, as well as this: On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. ##unvote
##vote MrZentorJustifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO. if MrZ was town he was playing noob enough for me to go nuts for him He doesn't have a scumread on thrawn. By his own admission, he voted thrawn to "dare" Mr. CC to vote thrawn. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=42#834He NEVER has a scumread on thrawn in his filter. He straight up voted a guy who his top scumread was pushing. Where's the town motivation in that? There is none. Then we get to the "hapa's scum 'cause he's not dead" stuff. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:37 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 02:27 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 02:22 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive So I'm town. Lol. because scum can't get shot by scum vigis............... ??????????????????? No see that doesn't make much sense. Why would me being alive explain how you know scum didn't take a second shot? beacuse it would have been for the next top witchcraft candidate ie you? He harps many times about how I'm the only other possible witchcraft candidate in the game. But... Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 03:03 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 03:01 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, Eywa,and JieXian, did you guys vote for Hapa? eywa and I certainly didn't He didn't vote me. This makes no sense. Apparently there were other viable candidates (the ones he voted), yet he believes I was the only other possible one. JieXian is scum. His actions make no sense.
You're appearing to breaking down with your growing desperation that I expect a handshake from you for my town play after the game. I'm only replying because there's other people I need to convince >_>
My justification for Thrawn is almost 24 hours old:
On December 18 2012 01:03 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody. I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. let's look at your justifications on your vote for morbid Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good? Ill think about it honey. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, may as well...
##Unvote
##Vote Morbidius L O fucking L Here are my reasons to vote for thrawnShow nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to implymy read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperativeReading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:54 JieXian wrote:I'll do it for you On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible Do you know what happened after you posted the case on thrawn? you chatted with eywa against going for hapa Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? and GAVE UP No one influential came in to discredit you yet -- neither hapa nor DP. And you shove away the only person who agreed with you = me
I didn't vote for you (for witchcraft) because you ignored my question since the 2nd half of D1 and I'm sure you haven't answered it yet.
On December 18 2012 02:59 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
I hope you don't honestly believe that. I could say the same. But clearly you do. On December 18 2012 02:44 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 02:21 Hapahauli wrote:
No JX, I'm questioning why you never explained your read. It's pretty damn easy to say "LOL HE"S TOWN." What's difficult is the justification. You provided none.
Where was your justification for the Morbidius read?
Secondly, I don't see where my "contradiction" is or whatever. You didn't get votes on you because of your reads - you got votes on you because people thought you scumslipped. The actual reads themselves were rather uncontroversial, as I've explained a bunch of times. people thought I scumslipped because I gave you and dp suspicion and then called you both townies my supposedly inconsistent read (it was just a train of thought thing) was the sole reason for my near lynch my "read" was intepreted as a scumslip oh my god out of respect for your intelligence you can't possibly be town You're not getting what I'm saying at all. Yes, people thought you scumslipped for your inconsistent read. However, I'm not talking about that when I say your reads are "non-controversial." At that point in the game, it was obvious that me and DP were town. Virtually everyone thought so. You also went after a lynch-bait type player in MrZ. Those are "non-controversial" reads in the sense that you didn't do anything useful. Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town), and your top scumread was just the "troll" of the thread. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Why DP is Scum+ Show Spoiler +
Strange Tunnel on DjoOn December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref.Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.
There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far.So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Two things to note about the red/bolded passage: 1) DP does everything short of sucking my dick here. He buddies me just about as hard as you can in this passage. For example, I made no claims that a 10-3 setup is "super town favored." Nor is it actually "super town favored." Yet he goes and exhalts my idea as "really really good." 2) One of DP's main reasons for suspecting Djo at this point is that Djo disagrees with my assessment on the 10-3 setup thing. Part of the implication here is that DP agrees thtaThis is odd, considering his next post. On December 15 2012 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game 1- you are valuing blues to highly 2- That is a ridiculous proposition 3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP?
Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP? Despite agreeing with my "10-3 setup" stuff earlier, DP all of a sudden is assuming that Djodref is correct in his setup theory without any clarification from the mod in the mean time. This doesn't make sense at all. How could you agree with my comments and speculation, then go and post something like this? Very simply, DP lost track of the reasons he was tunneling Djo. His tunneling doesn't have a townie thought-process behind it - he's just trying to heap as much suspicion on Djo as he can. This is pretty clear by his next post on the subject: On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? This sounds so desperate to me. It's very clear by now that the argument between me and Djo is simply a misunderstanding of the OP, yet DP twists the hell out of his words and flips a shit.
Other Stuff:Firstly, DP's first post: On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. The only purpose of this post is to stifle discussion. There's zero reason you should be so against policy talk before it even starts. Secondly, when I vote him - mind you I'm the ONLY person to be suspicious of him so far - he whines about it: On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. The whining is completely disproportionate to the suspicion put on him. In addition, DP doesn't hate playing town. Fact. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 12:02 Hapahauli wrote:Well the problem is that DP tunneled you (Djo) without having ever even asked or cared about one of the key points he found you scummy for. DP found you initially scummy because he seemingly believed that a 10/3 setup was achievable. On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. But as it turns out, Djo was right. And then DP turns around and completely forgets about it and tunnels him for the opposite. On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? But on top of all this, he has one vote on him, and he's already whining... On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. Lynch this sucker. He's scum. No. the vote wasn't for voting against your plan. It was for voting you when there was absolutely no reason for you to be scum. I didn't really care about the plan at all. It was also for being an idiot about not sharing town reads. I didn't change the reason Ivoted for him. The reason I voted him still stands regardless of the fate of your 'idea' he was voting you for absolutely no reason and was justifying it with something that was not alignment indicative. The thing I noted later was not the 'new' reason for my vote but an ADDITIONAL reason. Also whining is not alignment indicative. Which you should well know. I whined as town in Mario. Your case is a dog that needs to be put down. I actually can't see town hapa making a case this horrible. But I have seen scum hapa make shitty cases like this. ##unvote
##vote: hapa ........hello?
Of course you're scum because you're not dead. Everyone during D1 besides eywa and I thought you were townie until N1 came about
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hold on while I catch up. going to respond to a few things and practice my guitar because I've got a jammign session tomorrow
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On December 18 2012 07:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:21 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm not convinced on Mr Cheese. I want to see JieXian dead first and foremost. Your cling to defend him suggests one thing, we have to kill him... and then you... or you and then him... Either way, rage on sir! I've posted why JieXian is scum. Several times. In my filter. JieXian wasn't voting for people he thought was scum. He voted the top scumread of his top scumread (thrawn, instead of voting CC). When I called him out for it, he flipped a shit and omgus'd me. He's scum dawg.
it's really convenient calling it an omgus because you have reads on everyone here.
your point holds no water
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On December 18 2012 08:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:20 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm going to assume your post on JieXian. The problem is that you're holding some non-sensical and arbitrary double-standard, where JieXian is allowed to vote for whoever he wants because his top scumread is "never getting lynched", but CC on the other hand is scum for voting Morbidius when his own top scumread (thrawn) has no chance of getting lynched. Wrong, You think that CC actually thought Morb was guilty, on the contrary, he publicly stated otherwise. Also wrong thinking I have a double standard, I don't mind killing jie xian given that there is a potential of him being scum, but I won't do so until I check my hypothesis about cheesegrater. All of your claims about me are proven false, yet you still make them... I don't understand where your logic spurs from. CC wanted to get someone lynched. I told you, a lynch is better than a no-lynch. That's how we play on TL. That's accepted optimal play on virtually every forum-mafia site. If you think otherwise, then you're wrong.
Hell I just read your case on Cheesecake. You misread and twist a lot of his posts. For example: Mr.Cheesecake admits to knowing Thrawn is town with no indication that he ever thought otherwise - yet he was gunning for thrawn earlier Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
But let's think about it if I'm scum. I could push Thrawn, who I know is town, to the very end. We lynch morb anyway. I'm in the clear and can flame about how everyone is an idiot for lynching him.
Town motiv for sheeping onto Morb: He might be scum, i don't want to no-lynch. Keeping my vote on thrawn = useless.
Mafia motiv for sheeping onto morb: None, Morb had a decent chance of getting lynched regardless. My vote would literally only be bad for myself. Okay... I know he's innocent, but I pushed for him up till a second ago? Nice play. Cheeseboard wants to lynch people for the sake of lynching them regardless of alignment In this post, CC is talking in hypotheticals. He's saying "if I was scum, I'd know that Thrawn was town and push him." Yet you misread it and say that he thinks thrawn is town. Your entire case on him is based on misreadings, as well as misunderstandings of what's considered optimal play in Forum Mafia.
hapa you don't have the right to complain about misreadings since you've been doing that all game
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Ok now that I'm back, why is everyone forgetting MrCC?
##Vote MrCheeseCake
My case is based on the scumminess in his attitude towards thrawn. I feel very tired repeating myself to scum because they aren't in the position to listen because it involves claiming to be scum.
On December 18 2012 01:03 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody. I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. let's look at your justifications on your vote for morbid Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good? Ill think about it honey. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, may as well...
##Unvote
##Vote Morbidius L O fucking L Here are my reasons to vote for thrawn Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to implymy read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperativeReading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:54 JieXian wrote:I'll do it for you On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible Do you know what happened after you posted the case on thrawn? you chatted with eywa against going for hapa Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? and GAVE UP No one influential came in to discredit you yet -- neither hapa nor DP. And you shove away the only person who agreed with you = me
and his defense was exactly why he was scummy in the first place
On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody.
I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do.
MrCC dropped it before people were even around to post their thoughts
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sorry for repeating myself but in the spirit of keeping things in 1 place,
thrawn's death solves his problem of having to deliver his promise = to push for him now
ok goodbye everyone going to practice.
Let's not forget hapa's blue shot thing. There's really no WIFOM case here, unlike thrawn's death.
Fact: Everyone thinks hapa and dp are a strong townie except for me and eywa given how they sheeped them and defended hapa when eywa had a case against him D1
Fact : People have voted for the strong townie - DP
Fact : the number of candidates are really small given the huge number of players who were considered lurkers, whom none trusts
Fact : Nobody can come up with a sensible advantage for mafia not to have vigi shot (and also NK) hapa
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Djo = kush already took offence for my attitude against him and I'm not going to do it again in the spirit of the game because he can't take it and broke down for real (and I don't blame him for it).
I'm still sorry kush, in my defence I've been calling hapa and mrcc idiots too hahaha and I couldn't sleep well and got sick because of the heated atmosphere
hapa and mrcc I'd welcome an e-handshake too after the game
but I still find your pretend chatting disgusting with mrcc, especially when you shoved eywa away childishly. If you want privacy, you can jolly well use the mafia qt
:D
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kush I know that I didn't even apologise nicely yesterday
it's just a game but I was really yelling at everyone and got out of control when it came to you, I was really frustrated seeing your swtich to morbidus with that no shenanigans thing.
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i gave to dp and morbid. 1 guy is still alive
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ok bye I'm done for the day. Glad to see things toning down.
Even gladder to have seen this earlier
On December 18 2012 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
I'm just curious as to why hapahauli is vouching so hard for cheeseflake when no one else has ever vouched this hard for another person.
Furthermore, I fail to see why we would listen to him given that hapahauli is the only one to change his character profile 4 times (next highest being 0) and he has a scumslip to his name claiming that he is scum...
What more is needed? I'm not vouching for him. I'm stating that I don't have enough evidence to think he's scum. On December 18 2012 07:48 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote:
I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. I don't care whether somebody is pro town or not. I care whether they're town or scum. And Eywa is town. I need to calm down. I'll be back in a bit. yet you have more evidence for Jie Xian? lol... you're obviously scum. Yes you piece of shit. I have plenty of evidence for JieXian if you ever bothered to read you dumbfuck.
Was about to post a huge lol and some gifs and youtube links but controled myself. I'll just have to settle with
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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EDIT (I'm glad because I'm feeling less like I'm yelling for hours, like I did yesterday)
but I really still feel like yelling to hapa I have to say that. For bringing up things I've addressed and not answering my questions (I reposted it in the previous page)
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On December 19 2012 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ JieXian
Please catch up on recent thread events. I don't have my vote on you atm. In fact it's probably best just to go start at page 70 and work your way onwards. Less angry and whatnot.
Am I supposed to be flattered with your attempt to bribe me hahahahahahahaha and keep giving me townie reads ever since?
You still haven't answered my questions yet: (Taking off the spoiler because people might miss your lies (trying hard to be nice here, you know what word I had in mind) and incoherence)
On December 18 2012 02:59 JieXian wrote:Hapahauli wrote:Those are "non-controversial" reads in the sense that you didn't do anything useful. Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town), and your top scumread was just the "troll" of the thread. I have 4 people voting the people whom "everyone thought were town". Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Why DP is Scum+ Show Spoiler +
Strange Tunnel on DjoOn December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref.Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.
There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far.So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Two things to note about the red/bolded passage: 1) DP does everything short of sucking my dick here. He buddies me just about as hard as you can in this passage. For example, I made no claims that a 10-3 setup is "super town favored." Nor is it actually "super town favored." Yet he goes and exhalts my idea as "really really good." 2) One of DP's main reasons for suspecting Djo at this point is that Djo disagrees with my assessment on the 10-3 setup thing. Part of the implication here is that DP agrees thtaThis is odd, considering his next post. On December 15 2012 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game 1- you are valuing blues to highly 2- That is a ridiculous proposition 3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP?
Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP? Despite agreeing with my "10-3 setup" stuff earlier, DP all of a sudden is assuming that Djodref is correct in his setup theory without any clarification from the mod in the mean time. This doesn't make sense at all. How could you agree with my comments and speculation, then go and post something like this? Very simply, DP lost track of the reasons he was tunneling Djo. His tunneling doesn't have a townie thought-process behind it - he's just trying to heap as much suspicion on Djo as he can. This is pretty clear by his next post on the subject: On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? This sounds so desperate to me. It's very clear by now that the argument between me and Djo is simply a misunderstanding of the OP, yet DP twists the hell out of his words and flips a shit.
Other Stuff:Firstly, DP's first post: On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. The only purpose of this post is to stifle discussion. There's zero reason you should be so against policy talk before it even starts. Secondly, when I vote him - mind you I'm the ONLY person to be suspicious of him so far - he whines about it: On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. The whining is completely disproportionate to the suspicion put on him. In addition, DP doesn't hate playing town. Fact. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 12:02 Hapahauli wrote:Well the problem is that DP tunneled you (Djo) without having ever even asked or cared about one of the key points he found you scummy for. DP found you initially scummy because he seemingly believed that a 10/3 setup was achievable. On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. But as it turns out, Djo was right. And then DP turns around and completely forgets about it and tunnels him for the opposite. On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? But on top of all this, he has one vote on him, and he's already whining... On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. Lynch this sucker. He's scum. No. the vote wasn't for voting against your plan. It was for voting you when there was absolutely no reason for you to be scum. I didn't really care about the plan at all. It was also for being an idiot about not sharing town reads. I didn't change the reason Ivoted for him. The reason I voted him still stands regardless of the fate of your 'idea' he was voting you for absolutely no reason and was justifying it with something that was not alignment indicative. The thing I noted later was not the 'new' reason for my vote but an ADDITIONAL reason. Also whining is not alignment indicative. Which you should well know. I whined as town in Mario. Your case is a dog that needs to be put down. I actually can't see town hapa making a case this horrible. But I have seen scum hapa make shitty cases like this. ##unvote
##vote: hapa ........hello?
For that matter, I already mentioned that I was back meaning I'm done with the catching up and I wasn't satisfied with the lack or MRCC = scum attention below: ie You don't have a good rebutal ie you're scum
On December 19 2012 00:11 JieXian wrote:Ok now that I'm back, why is everyone forgetting MrCC? ##Vote MrCheeseCake My case is based on the scumminess in his attitude towards thrawn. I feel very tired repeating myself to scum because they aren't in the position to listen because it involves claiming to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:03 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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Yes we need a vote count.
I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody. I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. let's look at your justifications on your vote for morbid On December 17 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good? Ill think about it honey. On December 17 2012 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, may as well...
##Unvote
##Vote Morbidius L O fucking L Here are my reasons to vote for thrawn On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to implymy read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperativeReading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:54 JieXian wrote:I'll do it for you On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible Do you know what happened after you posted the case on thrawn? you chatted with eywa against going for hapa On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? and GAVE UP No one influential came in to discredit you yet -- neither hapa nor DP. And you shove away the only person who agreed with you = me and his defense was exactly why he was scummy in the first place Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody.
I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. MrCC dropped it before people were even around to post their thoughts
I'm down for a hapa or mrcc lynch, now let me address the voting
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If anyone can discredit any of the below with proper arguements and not vacuous statements like:
- it's so stupid
- SO MUCH WIFOM
- so incoherent
I'll reconsider my current training onto hapa and may even consider him town if it's good enough
Fact: Everyone thinks hapa and dp are a strong townie except for me and eywa given how they sheeped them and defended hapa when eywa had a case against him D1
Extra Justification :
On December 18 2012 02:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town)
Fact : People have voted for the strong townie = DP and hence they probably voted for hapa too.
Fact : the number of candidates are really small given the huge number of players who were considered lurkers, and people like me and eywa whom none trusted on D1
Fact : There's really no WIFOM with the blue shot case. (Please show me how it can be WIFOM if you think so)
Reason : Nobody can come up with a sensible advantage for mafia not to have blue vigi shot hapa
@Djo Please convince me ok?
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On December 20 2012 01:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:40 JieXian wrote:On December 19 2012 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ JieXian
Please catch up on recent thread events. I don't have my vote on you atm. In fact it's probably best just to go start at page 70 and work your way onwards. Less angry and whatnot. Am I supposed to be flattered with your attempt to bribe me hahahahahahahaha and keep giving me townie reads ever since? You still haven't answered my questions yet: (Taking off the spoiler because people might miss your lies (trying hard to be nice here, you know what word I had in mind) and incoherence) On December 18 2012 02:59 JieXian wrote:Hapahauli wrote:Those are "non-controversial" reads in the sense that you didn't do anything useful. Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town), and your top scumread was just the "troll" of the thread. I have 4 people voting the people whom "everyone thought were town". On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa On December 15 2012 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Why DP is Scum+ Show Spoiler +
Strange Tunnel on DjoOn December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref.Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.
There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far.So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Two things to note about the red/bolded passage: 1) DP does everything short of sucking my dick here. He buddies me just about as hard as you can in this passage. For example, I made no claims that a 10-3 setup is "super town favored." Nor is it actually "super town favored." Yet he goes and exhalts my idea as "really really good." 2) One of DP's main reasons for suspecting Djo at this point is that Djo disagrees with my assessment on the 10-3 setup thing. Part of the implication here is that DP agrees thtaThis is odd, considering his next post. On December 15 2012 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game 1- you are valuing blues to highly 2- That is a ridiculous proposition 3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP?
Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP? Despite agreeing with my "10-3 setup" stuff earlier, DP all of a sudden is assuming that Djodref is correct in his setup theory without any clarification from the mod in the mean time. This doesn't make sense at all. How could you agree with my comments and speculation, then go and post something like this? Very simply, DP lost track of the reasons he was tunneling Djo. His tunneling doesn't have a townie thought-process behind it - he's just trying to heap as much suspicion on Djo as he can. This is pretty clear by his next post on the subject: On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? This sounds so desperate to me. It's very clear by now that the argument between me and Djo is simply a misunderstanding of the OP, yet DP twists the hell out of his words and flips a shit.
Other Stuff:Firstly, DP's first post: On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. The only purpose of this post is to stifle discussion. There's zero reason you should be so against policy talk before it even starts. Secondly, when I vote him - mind you I'm the ONLY person to be suspicious of him so far - he whines about it: On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. The whining is completely disproportionate to the suspicion put on him. In addition, DP doesn't hate playing town. Fact. On December 15 2012 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 12:02 Hapahauli wrote:Well the problem is that DP tunneled you (Djo) without having ever even asked or cared about one of the key points he found you scummy for. DP found you initially scummy because he seemingly believed that a 10/3 setup was achievable. On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. But as it turns out, Djo was right. And then DP turns around and completely forgets about it and tunnels him for the opposite. On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? But on top of all this, he has one vote on him, and he's already whining... On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. Lynch this sucker. He's scum. No. the vote wasn't for voting against your plan. It was for voting you when there was absolutely no reason for you to be scum. I didn't really care about the plan at all. It was also for being an idiot about not sharing town reads. I didn't change the reason Ivoted for him. The reason I voted him still stands regardless of the fate of your 'idea' he was voting you for absolutely no reason and was justifying it with something that was not alignment indicative. The thing I noted later was not the 'new' reason for my vote but an ADDITIONAL reason. Also whining is not alignment indicative. Which you should well know. I whined as town in Mario. Your case is a dog that needs to be put down. I actually can't see town hapa making a case this horrible. But I have seen scum hapa make shitty cases like this. ##unvote
##vote: hapa On December 15 2012 12:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
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##Vote Darthpunk ........hello? For that matter, I already mentioned that I was back meaning I'm done with the catching up and I wasn't satisfied with the lack or MRCC = scum attention below: ie You don't have a good rebutal ie you're scumOn December 19 2012 00:11 JieXian wrote:Ok now that I'm back, why is everyone forgetting MrCC? ##Vote MrCheeseCake My case is based on the scumminess in his attitude towards thrawn. I feel very tired repeating myself to scum because they aren't in the position to listen because it involves claiming to be scum. On December 18 2012 01:03 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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Jx, you're really paranoid.
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody. I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. let's look at your justifications on your vote for morbid On December 17 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good? Ill think about it honey. On December 17 2012 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, may as well...
##Unvote
##Vote Morbidius L O fucking L Here are my reasons to vote for thrawn On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to implymy read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperativeReading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:54 JieXian wrote:I'll do it for you On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible Do you know what happened after you posted the case on thrawn? you chatted with eywa against going for hapa On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? and GAVE UP No one influential came in to discredit you yet -- neither hapa nor DP. And you shove away the only person who agreed with you = me and his defense was exactly why he was scummy in the first place On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody.
I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. MrCC dropped it before people were even around to post their thoughts I'm down for a hapa or mrcc lynch, now let me address the voting I already told you I dropped it because there was a .1% chance of 6 other people going for the lynch in that frame of time. Don't know what else to tell you.
lol? Just note the time everyone (it's in chronological order):
On December 16 2012 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!
Jiexian (6) - thrawn2112, DarthPunk, DoYouHas, MrZentor, Hapahauli, Morbidius
Morbidius (1) - Drazak
The deadline is in 21.5 hours at Sunday, Dec 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Please make sure to vote and to cast your secret witchcraft votes by then. Anyone who has not voted by the end of the day will be subject to moderator action.
On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers?
On December 17 2012 04:37 DarthPunk wrote:
yeah. I just woke up. I really don't want to lynch Jiexian right now. I'm thinking we all consolidate onto Morbidius.
##unvote
##Vote: Morbidus
On December 17 2012 05:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!
Morbidius (7) - Drazak, MrZentor, DP, kush, MrCheesecake, DoYouHas, threesr
Currently Morbidius is set to be lynched!
The deadline is in ~35 minutes at Sunday, Dec 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Please make sure to vote and to cast your secret witchcraft votes by then. Anyone who has not voted by the end of the day will be subject to moderator action.
A common trait in liars = they make up to many stories to remember them
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On December 20 2012 01:58 MrZentor wrote:
We're killing DYH, Eywa.
whatever happened to your hapa and mrcc read
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and before hapa comes in to comment on how I disagreed with "everyone is a confirmed townie" and used it as a justification right after:
My so called scumslip post was made really early into the first half of D1, where the situation was different for them.
As D1 progressed, dp and hapa appeared more and more townie
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On December 20 2012 02:05 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:16 MrZentor wrote:
Don't worry, Hapa.
You're far too paranoid to me scum.
Because he has a far better chance of flipping scum than I do, even though I'm sure DYH is scum.
##Unvote
##vote Mr.Cheesecake
The only reason I voted for Mr CC is that I didn't want to get lynched myself; I wanted to kill DYH.
ok fine what about hapa?
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On December 20 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that's literally no more than a couple of hours to get everyone to bandwagon onto Thrawn. Zero people showed the slightest interest. You did, but it was rather feigned.
So calm yourself.
On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you.
if it was feigned why did you had to shut me up
+ Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 02:56 JieXian wrote:EDIT Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him.
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On December 20 2012 02:17 Djodref wrote:
@ JieXan
Fact: DP, which is confirmed town because dead, proposed a strategy to note vote for the possible strongest town players
Fact: I used this strategy because I found it reasonable, because you spread the risks, ie you don't lose a good player and a blue...
Speculation: Some other people may also have followed this strategy, we don't know
Conclusion: we have no way of knowing anything, and this discussion could endanger the blues
-> Comments on Kush and DYH please
Not true, because DP got shot anyways. People did not take his advice.
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well I didn't, because as I said, the only choices were strong townies
or suspicious people
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2nd edit: strong or half strong for that matter
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I haven't been not paying much attention to dyh and kush because I already have 2 highly scummy targets
given the situation I'm forced to go through the dyh case. Give me some time
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On December 20 2012 02:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:24 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:17 Djodref wrote:
@ JieXan
Fact: DP, which is confirmed town because dead, proposed a strategy to note vote for the possible strongest town players
Fact: I used this strategy because I found it reasonable, because you spread the risks, ie you don't lose a good player and a blue...
Speculation: Some other people may also have followed this strategy, we don't know
Conclusion: we have no way of knowing anything, and this discussion could endanger the blues
-> Comments on Kush and DYH please Not true, because DP got shot anyways. People did not take his advice. How the fuck do you know ? I'm just telling you that I took his advice. I didn't vote for the strongest possible town, that is Hapa. DP is good, but not as strong as Hapa imho...
Fact : The number of candidates are really small given the huge number of players who were considered lurkers, and people like me and eywa whom none trusted on D1
From:+ Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 01:52 JieXian wrote:Fact: Everyone thinks hapa and dp are a strong townie except for me and eywa given how they sheeped them and defended hapa when eywa had a case against him D1 Extra Justification : Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town) Fact : People have voted for the strong townie = DP and hence they probably voted for hapa too. Fact : the number of candidates are really small given the huge number of players who were considered lurkers, and people like me and eywa whom none trusted on D1Fact : There's really no WIFOM with the blue shot case. (Please show me how it can be WIFOM if you think so) Reason : Nobody can come up with a sensible advantage for mafia not to have blue vigi shot hapa @Djo Please convince me ok?
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On December 20 2012 02:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:23 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that's literally no more than a couple of hours to get everyone to bandwagon onto Thrawn. Zero people showed the slightest interest. You did, but it was rather feigned.
So calm yourself. On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. if it was feigned why did you had to shut me up + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 02:56 JieXian wrote:EDIT Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. I was talking to Kush about what lurkers he had in mind. Then you started being like "I'm still waiting for him to make his response" what have you. The post wasn't directed towards you, it was directed at Kush.
Let me be sure, so you're saying you shut me up because I was being irritating bringing up something unimportant while you and kush were discussing?
If that's the case then I can cool down
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On December 20 2012 02:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:33 Djodref wrote:
Let's discuss this in the post game to see which one of us is right. This discussion is pointless right now, and I think you are just trying to avoid real topics with it.
You have failed to bring a case with Hapa. If you have a good case, I could accept your speculation as the icing on the cake.
Anyway, Hapa is not getting lynched today, so we have limited time to discuss this, because there is no consolidation on the lynch right.
That's why I really need your comments on DYH, CC and Kush... Mr.Cheesecake is my lynch, I will not compromise.
then your best bet is to convince the rest that the dyh case isn't strong
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I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response
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On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote:
I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more.
ok so you found that irritating and snapped
sort of?
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On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target.
I was an easy target D1
was everyone who were pushing for me scum?
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On December 20 2012 02:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:45 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote:
I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more. ok so you found that irritating and snapped sort of? Well, isn't it a bit odd if you're discussing with someone and then someone else gives these posts like "oh this this and this". It's not irrelevant, it's just -- I was looking specifically for Kush's response. I think you misinterpret my tone in that post, though. It wasn't angry at all.
........... ok
so you didn't happen to care about what I have to say at the moment that's all?
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djo I fail to find the dyh case
zentor what about the blue shot arguement?
On December 20 2012 01:52 JieXian wrote:If anyone can discredit any of the below with proper arguements and not vacuous statements like: - it's so stupid - SO MUCH WIFOM - so incoherent I'll reconsider my current training onto hapa and may even consider him town if it's good enough Fact: Everyone thinks hapa and dp are a strong townie except for me and eywa given how they sheeped them and defended hapa when eywa had a case against him D1 Extra Justification : Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town) Fact : People have voted for the strong townie = DP and hence they probably voted for hapa too. Fact : the number of candidates are really small given the huge number of players who were considered lurkers, and people like me and eywa whom none trusted on D1 Fact : There's really no WIFOM with the blue shot case. (Please show me how it can be WIFOM if you think so) Reason : Nobody can come up with a sensible advantage for mafia not to have blue vigi shot hapa @Djo Please convince me ok?
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On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that?
wth ? he thought I was scum and let go
and he still thinks eywa is scum
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On December 20 2012 02:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:48 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:45 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote:
I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more. ok so you found that irritating and snapped sort of? Well, isn't it a bit odd if you're discussing with someone and then someone else gives these posts like "oh this this and this". It's not irrelevant, it's just -- I was looking specifically for Kush's response. I think you misinterpret my tone in that post, though. It wasn't angry at all. ........... ok so you didn't happen to care about what I have to say at the moment that's all? Because I was asking Kush, precisely. It just seemed like you were overbearing a little. Generally, answering questions that aren't addressed to you is a scumtrait.
ok fine.
So you claim to be interested in the thrawn case but was disappointed that no one bit
in comes me who was interested in it
But you were talking to kush so I was ovebearing
You didn't seem too interested in the thrawn case at all
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On December 20 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I refer:
If I was scum I would have pushed the Thrawn lynch no matter what. Morb dies, I can flame at everyone and push his mislynch today. It's just the better choice. As town, I don't want to see a mislynch. I have to consolidate and realize that my Thrawn case had zero traction in the thread.
If you can't see that, JX, I'm sorry.
? You can't push his mislynch as scum because you started the huge case
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On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^
lol wasn't for you
you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh
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On December 20 2012 03:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:02 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I refer:
If I was scum I would have pushed the Thrawn lynch no matter what. Morb dies, I can flame at everyone and push his mislynch today. It's just the better choice. As town, I don't want to see a mislynch. I have to consolidate and realize that my Thrawn case had zero traction in the thread.
If you can't see that, JX, I'm sorry. ? You can't push his mislynch as scum because you started the huge case This makes no sense. The optimal scum play is to push the Thrawn lynch. It has NO chance to actually go through. I'm not suspicious for voting Morb, I can push his mislynch today. It just works out better.
How would you know? Anything can happen and it baffled me that I got off the hook on D1 because of some apparent scumslip that morb made about lurkers != scum
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On December 20 2012 03:08 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^ lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh I know it wasn't for me. What were you talking about ? And how is my play clean ? Can you give me examples ? Is that really the feeling you get when you read my filter ?
I haven't found many mistakes or contradictions or incoherence in your filter, you haven't been angry at all I even voted for you etc etc
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ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks
will try to wake up in time for lynch
Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement.
djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense
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On December 20 2012 06:33 kushm4sta wrote:LOL ##unvote
##vote dyhI would have been better off masoning
i thought you had a check on dyh?
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#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
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Why are you still bother info to play dumb when you've basically won
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Excuse my bad and laggy cellphone posting. Really need to sleep now .
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sorry i've been really busy today (end of the world and whatnot :D) and I have to prepare my work for tomorrow too
my hapa accusation right at the beginning of N2 was actually typed at the end of D2 but my phone was slow so I'm not that dumb lol
Djo please tell me how the hell am I playing clean lol what nonsense are you talking about. Everyone agrees that I'm messy as hell. If you mean clean as in not accusing everybody like what you're doing, I don't need to because things appear clear to me.
Hapa to answer that question I'm still suspecting you because of your ignored questions and your weak and forced points/cases against me, it was no OMGUS (take D1 for example)
I don't see why the idea of bussing was totally ignored. I admit that I have to rethink things but as I said, the main scum I have in mind were hapa and cc, I only added djo in because he appeared to be a bff of hapa but I wasn't sure.
I'll address everything tomorrow if I'm still around.
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When I said clean I meant clean and well thought out cases without contradiction or much nonsense like hapa and mrcc has. DYH's cases felt very reasonable to me and so do your posts, thought I admit I haven't really scrutinised your filter because nothing really caught my attention yet
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On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part.
I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic
1 zentor and dyh are null to me
2 scum want to lynch dyh
3 Didn't expect them to bussing
4 I vote for zentor
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bus*
I already had my vote on mrcc the WHOLE TIME but I changed to mrz at 10 minutes before the deadline after reading that I was the only one on him at 10 mins before deadline
please admit that point isn't valid >_> I'll look at the rest tomorrow
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don't bother calling that a scumslip >_> though I don't expect to die since I'm a target
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On December 21 2012 03:41 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
*snip*
Djo please tell me how the hell am I playing clean lol what nonsense are you talking about. Everyone agrees that I'm messy as hell. If you mean clean as in not accusing everybody like what you're doing, I don't need to because things appear clear to me.
*snip*
You are totally twisting what I've presented. I have made a post presenting the points I had against DYH, at your request. You didn't reply directly to this post (of course not, so why asking it at the first place ?) but you have made the a comment related to this post a few moments after.
Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes  So there is no direct comment on this from your side. But here is what I get from another remark. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^ lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh This is an OMGUS, but on the behalf of DYH. I point out to you what makes DYH scum, you take your pick, and say without justification that I'm guilty of the same sin.
no, honestly at that time I couldn't find anything standing out to pick you out as mafia for sure. Same with DYH.
On December 21 2012 03:48 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:29 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic 1 zentor and dyh are null to me 2 scum want to lynch dyh 3 Didn't expect them to bussing 4 I vote for zentor lol At this point, here are your supposed premises, tell me if I'm wrong but you are supposed to believe that Hapa, CC and me are the scumteam. Is that right ? There is only 3 scum in this game so, here is what town JieXian would think. I have already the whole scumteam so 1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH) 2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch ! 3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ? 4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads
I don't see how you seem to be blind to the fact given your points fully support my decision as townie.
1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH)
maybe you know that they're town, I had null reads
2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch
Very well, so I try to stop it by voting MrZ
3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ?
To me, they were lynching a townie especially given kush's check. You seem to know a little more than me
4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads
My scumread had 1 vote 10 minutes to lynch time >_> My best option was to try to stop mafia
You seem to have scumslipped djo
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djo, the only reason I thought you were 3rd guy with hapa nad mrcc was because you seemed to be overprotective of hapa.
Clearly, now I know that my speculation was wrong
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On December 22 2012 01:19 ghost_403 wrote:
I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts on the voting over the last two days, and again, I have no idea how Hapa is confirmed town. Him being even a possibility for scum really changes the whole dynamics of that analysis.
Don't worry, not everyone thinks so. kush was saying don't lynch hapa because he's a strong townie. MrCC enjoys sheeping hapa. Djo presented some reads on hapa somewhere in his filter.
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On December 22 2012 02:23 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:48 Djodref wrote:On December 21 2012 03:29 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic 1 zentor and dyh are null to me 2 scum want to lynch dyh 3 Didn't expect them to bussing 4 I vote for zentor lol At this point, here are your supposed premises, tell me if I'm wrong but you are supposed to believe that Hapa, CC and me are the scumteam. Is that right ? There is only 3 scum in this game so, here is what town JieXian would think. I have already the whole scumteam so 1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH) 2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch ! 3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ? 4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads I don't see how you seem to be blind to the fact given your points fully support my decision as townie. Show nested quote +1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH) maybe you know that they're town, I had null reads Show nested quote +2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch Very well, so I try to stop it by voting MrZ To me, they were lynching a townie especially given kush's check. You seem to know a little more than me Show nested quote +4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads My scumread had 1 vote 10 minutes to lynch time >_> My best option was to try to stop mafia You seem to have scumslipped djo
no wait I just realised mrz was shot, i take that scumslip back.
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On December 21 2012 05:44 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
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Hapa to answer that question I'm still suspecting you because of your ignored questions and your weak and forced points/cases against me, it was no OMGUS (take D1 for example)
I don't see why the idea of bussing was totally ignored. I admit that I have to rethink things but as I said, the main scum I have in mind were hapa and cc, I only added djo in because he appeared to be a bff of hapa but I wasn't sure.
I'll address everything tomorrow if I'm still around. I guess more of my issue with your "suspicion" on me that it looks more like trolling rather than actual suspicion. For example this: Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 00:30 JieXian wrote:ok bye I'm done for the day. Glad to see things toning down. Even gladder to have seen this earlier On December 18 2012 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
I'm just curious as to why hapahauli is vouching so hard for cheeseflake when no one else has ever vouched this hard for another person.
Furthermore, I fail to see why we would listen to him given that hapahauli is the only one to change his character profile 4 times (next highest being 0) and he has a scumslip to his name claiming that he is scum...
What more is needed? I'm not vouching for him. I'm stating that I don't have enough evidence to think he's scum. On December 18 2012 07:48 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote:
I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. I don't care whether somebody is pro town or not. I care whether they're town or scum. And Eywa is town. I need to calm down. I'll be back in a bit. yet you have more evidence for Jie Xian? lol... you're obviously scum. Yes you piece of shit. I have plenty of evidence for JieXian if you ever bothered to read you dumbfuck. Was about to post a huge lol and some gifs and youtube links but controled myself. I'll just have to settle with hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha There is zero reason to post this other than to deliberately antagonize a player. That's really fucking scummy.
that was some trolling, yes. Aren't I allowed to have some fun after yelling the entire game? :D
come on :D
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On December 22 2012 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX.
You're confusing me now. Is that a scumslip?
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Ok there's something I don't get
hapa had a green check on ghost (why isn't he afraid of the silver bullet by doing that?)
if ghost were town, he'd be happy
if ghost were scum, he'd be happy
How does that prove anything? The fact that he's brave enough risking someone else claiming DT?
I can't think of why didn't mafia NK hapa already
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kush I read your case on djo, still thinking about it
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On December 23 2012 01:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 01:39 JieXian wrote:On December 22 2012 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX. You're confusing me now. Is that a scumslip? Kush tried to push a lynch on you. How is that in anyway a scumslip?
no, you're calling me a mislynch after tunnelling on me since D1
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ok I don't get how is hapa so convinced by kush's case
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On December 23 2012 02:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:01 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 01:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 01:39 JieXian wrote:On December 22 2012 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX. You're confusing me now. Is that a scumslip? Kush tried to push a lynch on you. How is that in anyway a scumslip? no, you're calling me a mislynch after tunnelling on me since D1 Tunneling you -- LOL!!! You're the one who tunneled me. Also, I was talking from the perspective if kush/eywa scumteam, fool.
ah ok that made sense (no sacarsm)
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On December 22 2012 14:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hapa could have had an ez mislynch on JX or Eywa. He had no reason to push the DYH lynch so hard. And he DT checked Ghost.
Eywa is scuuuuuum
he could have done it for townie cred. Dismissing that possibility is plain misleading
Ok, looking at his filter I'm convinced that he was bussed.
DYH didn't seem to care that he was going to be lynched at all
I NEVER seen him defend himself. The closest thing to that was posting a case against MrZ almost 2 hours before the lynch.
On December 20 2012 04:42 DoYouHas wrote:
Eywa - town - Once he stopped his over the top crusade on hapa and started talking reasonably his townie-ness came through.
Hapa - town - With his contributions day one and his willingness to go after anyone and back off just as quickly, hapa's play has just been too confident and productive to be scum.
JX - townish - His willingness to go after the most influential townie and back up Eywa, even when Eywa was flinging crap does not strike me as the play of a noob scum, which JX would definitely be. His day1 play also fits his 1 game town meta better than his 1 game scum meta.
kush - townishnull - kush certainly hasn't been helpful much this game, what struck me as town from him is when he asked if anyone had claimed witchcrafty yet. What scum would say that? (Aside from MrZ).
MrZ - scum -
Djo - scumish - Djo has been playing the reasonable middleground in this game far too much. This has been a game of extremes and votes jumping around. Djo always seems to be looking to come out on top regardless of which way things play out.
MrCc - scumishnull - I didn't like the way MrCc buddied hapa during the Eywa push, and the points about his Thrawn case are decent. But I haven't looked into him thoroughly.
Draz - null - I have paid almost no attention to draz this game.
oh noes I'm about to be lynched!!! Quick, post my reads on everyone because that'll help me! The only thing useful thing about that I can think of is that it'll help is to do his last service to his fellow mafia = giving them townie reads
On December 20 2012 05:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I have to go to a blood donation appointment, so I'm going to miss the deadline. I hope I'm still alive when I get back, adios.
oh wow
On December 20 2012 07:02 DoYouHas wrote:
Curses! Foiled again!
He didn't seem to give a damn
DYH was BUSSED
Everyone let me know what you think
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I'm thinking, just realised something about dyh
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On December 23 2012 02:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Looking at a scum players motivations is really Wifomy.
fair enough, that's why I didn't post that line about his intentions on his read on everyone with such conviction
still doesn't discredit the fact that he didn't give a damn about being lynch and after that too.
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On December 22 2012 23:23 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 22:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 22 2012 14:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 22 2012 14:35 kushm4sta wrote:
@cheesecake:
djo/cheesecake
djo/hapa
and that is discounting the possibility of a bus If it's me and djo, and eywa flips town. you can just lynch me and him the next two days and win. Hapa is town, unless you don't want to count that DT check. Unless Hapa/Ghost Scum team. mr z got a green check on ghost. So I think this is impossible.
??? if mrz got a green check how does hapa's check say anything about his alignment
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On December 23 2012 02:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The thing is, scum don't want to give any information away when they get lynched. A logical proposal is that he just didn't want to give anybody and headway into the next lynch.
what about plain defending himself? Doesn't make sense not to defend yourself at all
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whaaat? kush said that mr z got a green check on ghost.
I remember kush had a green on dyh, and hapa had a green on ghost,
you telling me mrz got a green check on hapa? can't find it anywhere at all
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why did kush's check have no effect on his townie status? I see no difference between his check and hapa's check.
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On December 23 2012 02:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:38 JieXian wrote:
whaaat? kush said that mr z got a green check on ghost.
I remember kush had a green on dyh, and hapa had a green on ghost,
you telling me mrz got a green check on hapa? can't find it anywhere at all Mr.Z never had a green check on anyone.... Hapa had powers and green checked Ghost.
I thought so. Kush was saying mrz had a green check on ghost
On December 22 2012 23:23 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 22:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 22 2012 14:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 22 2012 14:35 kushm4sta wrote:
@cheesecake:
djo/cheesecake
djo/hapa
and that is discounting the possibility of a bus If it's me and djo, and eywa flips town. you can just lynch me and him the next two days and win. Hapa is town, unless you don't want to count that DT check. Unless Hapa/Ghost Scum team. mr z got a green check on ghost. So I think this is impossible.
On December 23 2012 02:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:32 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 02:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The thing is, scum don't want to give any information away when they get lynched. A logical proposal is that he just didn't want to give anybody and headway into the next lynch. what about plain defending himself? Doesn't make sense not to defend yourself at all Then it's a null tell?
No. the fact that he didn't give a damn about getting lynched points to the fact that he was prepared to be lynched. He knows he has to be lynched
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On December 23 2012 02:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
why did kush's check have no effect on his townie status? I see no difference between his check and hapa's check. Rephrase. Me no understand.
Kush had a green check on DYH = people are saying he's scumish
hapa had a green check on ghost = OMG CONFIRMED TOWNIE GAIS
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still saying he's scumish*
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On December 23 2012 02:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:44 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 02:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
why did kush's check have no effect on his townie status? I see no difference between his check and hapa's check. Rephrase. Me no understand. Kush had a green check on DYH = people are saying he's scumish hapa had a green check on ghost = OMG CONFIRMED TOWNIE GAIS Kush's check only had a 66% chance of being right. A check now is confirmed green.
No, I was talking about kush's and hapa's status
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In that case at least agree that you cannot call that a confirmed townie status. He has something to gain as scum with that claim.
I like ghost's case on djo, still reading on
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I can agree with you with kush
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On December 23 2012 03:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Voting for scum reluctantly is not more "scum-motivated" than voting your top town read and completely ignoring the possibility of a DYH scum flip.
If DYH was a planned bus -- wouldn't Djo be all over that shit? Like OMFG DYH OBV SCUM!
What??? you were just saying that it wasn't a bus and DYH was just "not giving out information"
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wth You can't use that argument. Firstly you don't seem to think that it was a planned bus at all. Secondly, he's been protecting DYH the entire game
if Djo were scum, he just throwing out a weak case on DYH when I asked him for it
On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes
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Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not?
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you seem to be talking a little long to answer me
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LOL EXCUSE ME didn't see next page
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On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote:
Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town.
if it's not a planned bus then you've got no defense for djo's case ...
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ok nevermind saw that 3rd scum argument
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On December 23 2012 04:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:08 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote:
Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. if it's not a planned bus then you've got no defense for djo's case ... Give me one reason we should lynch Djo over Eywa.
Eywa I need you to clear this up please
On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook.
I can't rationalise that either
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mrcc please link your case on eywa to me, your filter is filled with eywa that ctrl+f doesn't help much
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eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap
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On December 23 2012 04:29 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote:
eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either.
wtf eywa I'm not trying to save myself I'm trying to find scum. There was only one thing that stuck out for their long cases against you.
Please explain this.
On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook.
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On December 23 2012 04:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Why does JieXian disappear literally the second I get in the thread? This is the 3rd day in a row.
you do realise that every day, especially around ~9-11Pm gmt+8 I post in huge waves and leave right after that right?
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On December 23 2012 04:40 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote:
eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either. wtf eywa I'm not trying to save myself I'm trying to find scum. There was only one thing that stuck out for their long cases against you. Please explain this. Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook.
Eywa I've been having a strong town read on you for reasons that can also be rationalised as scummy, though it'll be weaker.
I just need you to help me answer the only question I have
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On December 23 2012 04:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, but it's hard to get a read on you when your posting is limited by that timeframe. I'm also generally busy during that time.
I've already given up a lot of time for this game, I was planning to make some dubstep tracks but I'm spending my free time on mafia. =(
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On December 23 2012 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:48 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:40 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote:
eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either. wtf eywa I'm not trying to save myself I'm trying to find scum. There was only one thing that stuck out for their long cases against you. Please explain this. On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Eywa I've been having a strong town read on you for reasons that can also be rationalised as scummy, though it'll be weaker. I just need you to help me answer the only question I have Are you looking for excuses to find that he's not scum, or are you looking for scum JX? In addition, that's not the only thing he needs to answer for. See section 3 of my case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=112#2232On the Day 2 lynch, he voted for his top town read instead of DoYouHas.
I already stated that I have a strong townie read on him and a scum read was weaker.
That voting on mrz can be rationalised by my exact actions that day voting for mrz to sway the vote away from the target of one's top suspects at that time, hapa and mrcc.
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On December 23 2012 04:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:57 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 04:48 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:40 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote:
eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either. wtf eywa I'm not trying to save myself I'm trying to find scum. There was only one thing that stuck out for their long cases against you. Please explain this. On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Eywa I've been having a strong town read on you for reasons that can also be rationalised as scummy, though it'll be weaker. I just need you to help me answer the only question I have Are you looking for excuses to find that he's not scum, or are you looking for scum JX? In addition, that's not the only thing he needs to answer for. See section 3 of my case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=112#2232On the Day 2 lynch, he voted for his top town read instead of DoYouHas. I already stated that I have a strong townie read on him and a scum read was weaker. That voting on mrz can be rationalised by my exact actions that day voting for mrz to sway the vote away from the target of one's top suspects at that time, hapa and mrcc. No no, see the problem is that MrZ was his top town read, and Eywa voted for him. Why would you vote for your top town read over someone you think has a chance of flipping scum? And don't forget, Eywa never had any scumreads this game: Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:A list of Eywa's analysis and scumhunting today:
On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref On December 23 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying. If I tell you that I expect this game to end in scum victory and I tell you I think Hapahauli is scum and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one... You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
Otherwise, the entirety of D3 he's been floundering around helpless to identify rationale a single one of his reads. I haven't offered any scum reads this game... So D3 isn't special.
he's just saying who he voted for witchcraft, that's NOT a townie read. He could be lying too.
He hasn't offered long posts with spoilers like you all do. That's true too.
You case sucks.
Still, I'm keeping my vote on eywa until he answers me with some simple logical explaination if he has one.
##Vote Eywa-
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No, I made a mistake of voting my strong townie read on D1 and I didn't repeat it
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wth no, it was dp. I was thinking thrawn was mafia the whole of D1 remember
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I didn't state my town reads either and I've been getting a lot of shit from you with the morbid case. He just doesn't have to post every single townie read he has
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On December 23 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:14 JieXian wrote:
wth no, it was dp. I was thinking thrawn was mafia the whole of D1 remember Oh, well that's pretty inconsequential early-game pressure vote, as opposed to trying to get your top town read LYNCHED.
? inconsequential early-game pressure vote? thrawn? how is this related to eywa
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On December 23 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:
Well,
For there to be a lynch, Djodref has to flip, given that he is the other option, I hope town wins. Good Luck in the rest of the game.
wth so you can't answer me?
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On December 23 2012 05:21 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:19 JieXian wrote:
I didn't state my town reads either and I've been getting a lot of shit from you with the morbid case. He just doesn't have to post every single townie read he has What does this have to do with the matter at hand JX? I'm not attacking him for not posting town reads. I'm attacking him because he went after the one town read he posted!
ok so we can agree that eywa voted his ONLY town read and not his TOP town read
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On December 23 2012 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:22 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:21 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:19 JieXian wrote:
I didn't state my town reads either and I've been getting a lot of shit from you with the morbid case. He just doesn't have to post every single townie read he has What does this have to do with the matter at hand JX? I'm not attacking him for not posting town reads. I'm attacking him because he went after the one town read he posted! ok so we can agree that eywa voted his ONLY town read and not his TOP town read Yes we can. What's the difference?
the difference is that mrz may only to be a slight townish guy to him. My witchcraft votes went to slight townish guys last time
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Ok I'm going to stop defending eywa until he answers the only question I have of him, if he ever does
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On December 23 2012 05:35 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:33 JieXian wrote:
Ok I'm going to stop defending eywa until he answers the only question I have of him, if he ever does Dunno what your question is.
Please explain this.
On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook.
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On December 23 2012 05:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hapa obvious scum.
##unvote
##Vote: Hapahauli
lol? from you of all people?
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##unvote
##Vote hapahauli
sheep mrcc gogo
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yes hahahahaha
why so serious
##unvote
##Vote djodref
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lol only you are allowed to make joke votes?
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I already said the case on eywa sucks
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On December 23 2012 05:04 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:59 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 04:57 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 04:48 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:40 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote:
eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either. wtf eywa I'm not trying to save myself I'm trying to find scum. There was only one thing that stuck out for their long cases against you. Please explain this. On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Eywa I've been having a strong town read on you for reasons that can also be rationalised as scummy, though it'll be weaker. I just need you to help me answer the only question I have Are you looking for excuses to find that he's not scum, or are you looking for scum JX? In addition, that's not the only thing he needs to answer for. See section 3 of my case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=112#2232On the Day 2 lynch, he voted for his top town read instead of DoYouHas. I already stated that I have a strong townie read on him and a scum read was weaker. That voting on mrz can be rationalised by my exact actions that day voting for mrz to sway the vote away from the target of one's top suspects at that time, hapa and mrcc. No no, see the problem is that MrZ was his top town read, and Eywa voted for him. Why would you vote for your top town read over someone you think has a chance of flipping scum? And don't forget, Eywa never had any scumreads this game: On December 23 2012 04:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:A list of Eywa's analysis and scumhunting today:
On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref On December 23 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying. If I tell you that I expect this game to end in scum victory and I tell you I think Hapahauli is scum and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one... You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
Otherwise, the entirety of D3 he's been floundering around helpless to identify rationale a single one of his reads. I haven't offered any scum reads this game... So D3 isn't special. he's just saying who he voted for witchcraft, that's NOT a townie read. He could be lying too. He hasn't offered long posts with spoilers like you all do. That's true too. You case sucks. Still, I'm keeping my vote on eywa until he answers me with some simple logical explaination if he has one.##Vote Eywa-
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On December 23 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote:
I already said the case on eywa sucks Oh bullshit. Scum doesn't want his buddy to die. VOTE HIM You're not fooling anyone... You would have gunned for Jie Xian next anyway, so you're counting on the help of someone which you've made publicly known is next on the nuce. If JX didn't pull these shenanigans Kush would be next.
lol you do notice that I've been defending eywa all the time right
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On December 23 2012 06:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. I'm still a bit shellshocked that Shrodinger's Cat is a valid excuse in TL mafia.
it fits with what he has been doing all game
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oh wait the deadline is in 1 hour shit shit I thought I can finally sleep
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just so you know, a mrcc + djo scum team EXPLAINS why hapa isn't dead yet
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On December 23 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 06:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. I'm still a bit shellshocked that Shrodinger's Cat is a valid excuse in TL mafia. it fits with what he has been doing all game Yes, but what he's been doing all game isn't townie. Well if there's someone on the DYH bandwagon that's scum, it's probably Djo. He was likely my target for tomorrow anyway.
Great, finally we can agree one something. Let's prepone it. Why don't you secure this lynch?
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On December 23 2012 06:06 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:05 JieXian wrote:
just so you know, a mrcc + djo scum team EXPLAINS why hapa isn't dead yet A JX + Eywa scumteam explains this as well.
Iol if I were scum I'd shoot you N1 and silver bullet you and shoot you N2 if I missed my silver bullet and claim WIFOM because everyone listens to you.
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On December 23 2012 06:08 Djodref wrote:
Am I seriously being lynched ?
I cannot believe it... Like, I have good points made against me, but I've put a great effort to assert my townieness this game, and I feel really depressed to be mislynched right now, it's not like Eywa and JieXian were not obviously scum right now.
Kush has been as stupid as usual and ghost didn't even read this game. And seriously, so much confirmation bias from Kush, I cannot believe it, like I've been fucking scumhunting this game.
The worse thing is that I don't feel like I can do anything about it...
excuse me
On December 23 2012 01:20 ghost_403 wrote:Hey guys! I'm voting Djodref today. Why? Because of this! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0zWWtl.png) Figure 1. I dare you to click on this. Djodref is right, I should take the time to go back and reread some of the earlier parts of the game. Because I refuse to read 100 pages of what is lamentably called "standard TL mafia", I decided to go back and take some time to reread his filter. Just his. It all started with this post. + Show Spoiler [DRAZ IS TOTES SCUM] +On December 20 2012 11:00 Djodref wrote:
I agree that Drazak has the most chances to flip scum right now. I would have Jx and Eywa as possible scum mates, Kush is still on the list, but behind.
I'm not totally sold on a town Kush yet, because he hasn't be insta shot when he revealed, because he is filter is really scummy and also because nothing prevents mafia from being elected to the WC votes. And they would know that DYH would be a green check. But that would be very very ballsy to play like this. I also have to admit that the fact that kush was reasonable and finally lynched DYH is speaking in his favor. I'm not dropping Kush, but I don't think that we should lynch him tomorrow.
Me being the kind fellow who replaced one Mr. Drazak, I wondered to myself what kind of horrible things my predecessor did to Djodref in the thread before I came along. So I opened up his filter and took a look. I must admit, I was a bit surprised to find that he'd been tunneling Draz/me all game long for doing very little. That makes me sad. For any of you who wonders what a full game of tunneling looks like, see the figure below. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MiEx0.png) Figure 2. For someone who's definitely totally probably scum, sure hasn't said a whole lot about him. My curiosity got the best of me. Wonder how much he said about Kush? + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/keEh5.png) Figure 3. I don't even have anything witty to say here. Holy hell. And what about the only confirmed scum in the game? + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kfx5x.png) Figure 3. Annotated for your convenience! Well, now, ain't that interesting. Let's take a closer look at a few of those DYH posts. PUNT! + Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 13:49 Djodref wrote:
Honestly, regarding DYH, I can't remember exactly what he has done in this game.
I could totally imagine him or drazak being mafia given their general lack of emotional involment during the shitfest.
I need to look at them both, but I would prefer to do it from a computer.
Regarding Kush, I don't remember him mentioning finals, but right now I could have him as scum for activity alone.
He's really avoiding to answer some questions.
I have personal concerns regarding him because he s keeping saying that I'm mafia without backing it up.
I would gadly unvote Eywa for Kush if Eywa keeps on contributing like he started to do. I would lynch Kush over DYH + Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 16:01 Djodref wrote:
meh..
Right now, I would lynch Kush over DYH. I really think he has more chances to flip scum than DYH.
I really need to see more from DYH and drazak though... Let's not lynch DYH + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 15:30 Djodref wrote:
By the way, Hapa, I still really prefer a Kush lynch to a DYH lynch.
How can I convince you to switch your vote to Kush ? I guess we could lynch DYH, if we haaaaave tooooo + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 16:05 Djodref wrote:
I could support a DYH lynch if you need to consolidate, but in the meantime I'll try to push my lynch on Kush.
He shouldn't have tried to go after me, I'm not an easy mislynch anymore, like in NMM XXIX !
I'm also peacing out I have RL stuff to do. I'll try to stay up tonight...
Here's why other people think he's scum! + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes Fine, lynch him. + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 03:23 Djodref wrote:
Bleh, you guys are the most stubborn idiots I have ever played with.
It's time to consolidate, because town is going pants on head once again.
I'm voting DYH for the reasons given in my list above...
##Unvote
##Vote DYH The guy I'm voting for is TOTALLY NOT SCUM. + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote:
But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter.
I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... It's funny, because at no point during Djo's conversation regarding DYH does he ever say "I don't think that DYH is scum." Clearly, he does think that DYH is scum, but just not as much as Kush, so let's not lynch DYH. This is classic mafia behavior. He KNOWS that DYH is guilty. Clearly, he's being forced to vote for him here because he needs to be on the right side of this lynch. That's why he's so reluctant to vote DYH, and that's why he did it anyway. It's funny that, a bit after the DYH lynch, he accuses JX of trying to derail the DYH lynch, when that's the only thing that he's done the entire game is tunnel Kush. And that's why I'm voting to lynch him today.
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On December 23 2012 06:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Scumteam is either Eywa + kush or Eywa + JX.
LYNCH EYWA
eywa would shoot hapa so fast it's not even funny
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Think about it, djo and mrcc are bffs with hapa
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MrCC, this is what I call a NON BUS
nothing like DYH
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hapa I'm not sure if you're mafia right now but think about it, DYH didn't give a flying fuck about getting lynched
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I've been tunnelling you for so long about thrawn. Killing him would be a HUGE relief.
Hapa is alive because he's your bff, who's against me and eywa, a very useful tool to keep alive
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On December 23 2012 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:
hapa I'm not sure if you're mafia right now but think about it, DYH didn't give a flying fuck about getting lynched Yeah, that's called scum-motivation and not "I know I'm going to get bussed." Think about it - scum could have secured the MrZ lynch EASY. Why didn't they do it?
You do notice you're questioning people for not doing it right now right?
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On December 23 2012 06:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:18 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:
hapa I'm not sure if you're mafia right now but think about it, DYH didn't give a flying fuck about getting lynched Yeah, that's called scum-motivation and not "I know I'm going to get bussed." Think about it - scum could have secured the MrZ lynch EASY. Why didn't they do it? You do notice you're questioning people for not doing it right now right? Not doing what now?
You're questioning their very alleigance for bussing or not bussing and you're asking me about the benefits of bussing?
Don't you do realise how hypocritical it is?
The very benefit of bussing was to have some townie cred like what you're doing with them now
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On December 23 2012 06:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If Hapa is scum, he deserves to win this game. He really does.
He doesn't deserve to win it as scum and I'd be pissed
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On December 23 2012 06:27 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys,
I think it is time for me to write a good bye post.
I wouldn't say that this game was enjoyable, so I have mixed feeling about getting mislynched right now.
I'm happy to get away from this game, because IRL is getting pretty busy with me being back to France, and also because there are too much insults and flaming around here. People are not being reasonable.
On the other hand,I've really put a lot of effort into this game, and I think that most of my cases were good, even if a few of them were certainly misguided. So I guess that I was establishing that I was town quite well. My last case againt JieXian is something I'm very proud of, and I really don't think Kush or Ghost cases are better than it, so I'm feeling very bad about getting lynched right now. Hopefully, you guys can realize that the scum players are really obvious this game, and I'm counting on you to get your lynches right.
I was happy that we had lynched DYH, and I was really hoping for the town atmosphere to get brighter, but it didn't happen. I have faith that you can win this game for me, so please do so ^^
Good luck and try to do something to improve the town atmosphere, because I really feel bad when I read this game...
Alas, flaming occured again, and too much time is spend on irrelevant points.
your last case on my sucked enough for me to consider you being scum
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furthermore, no one jumped on your case, what are you proud of exactly?
you're making it more and more obvious
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lol are you doing this again? he's a bad townie and he's scummmy, especially based on ghost's great case
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On December 23 2012 06:31 Djodref wrote:
lol, seriously kush, this is so obvious, I knew you were obxiousnus, but this is far too obvious that they are scum right now.
JieXian never addressed this case against him, and he perfectly shows that he was following a mafia agenda all game long.
On December 21 2012 03:29 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic 1 zentor and dyh are null to me 2 scum want to lynch dyh 3 Didn't expect them to bus 4 I vote for zentor
On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
Djo please tell me how the hell am I playing clean lol what nonsense are you talking about. Everyone agrees that I'm messy as hell. If you mean clean as in not accusing everybody like what you're doing, I don't need to because things appear clear to me.
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More proof that Djo's lying:
On December 23 2012 06:31 Djodref wrote:
lol, seriously kush, this is so obvious, I knew you were obxiousnus, but this is far too obvious that they are scum right now.
JieXian never addressed this case against him, and he perfectly shows that he was following a mafia agenda all game long.
On December 22 2012 02:23 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:41 Djodref wrote:On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
*snip*
Djo please tell me how the hell am I playing clean lol what nonsense are you talking about. Everyone agrees that I'm messy as hell. If you mean clean as in not accusing everybody like what you're doing, I don't need to because things appear clear to me.
*snip*
You are totally twisting what I've presented. I have made a post presenting the points I had against DYH, at your request. You didn't reply directly to this post (of course not, so why asking it at the first place ?) but you have made the a comment related to this post a few moments after.
On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes So there is no direct comment on this from your side. But here is what I get from another remark. On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^ lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh This is an OMGUS, but on the behalf of DYH. I point out to you what makes DYH scum, you take your pick, and say without justification that I'm guilty of the same sin. no, honestly at that time I couldn't find anything standing out to pick you out as mafia for sure. Same with DYH. Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:48 Djodref wrote:On December 21 2012 03:29 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic 1 zentor and dyh are null to me 2 scum want to lynch dyh 3 Didn't expect them to bussing 4 I vote for zentor lol At this point, here are your supposed premises, tell me if I'm wrong but you are supposed to believe that Hapa, CC and me are the scumteam. Is that right ? There is only 3 scum in this game so, here is what town JieXian would think. I have already the whole scumteam so 1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH) 2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch ! 3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ? 4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads I don't see how you seem to be blind to the fact given your points fully support my decision as townie. Show nested quote +1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH) maybe you know that they're town, I had null reads Show nested quote +2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch Very well, so I try to stop it by voting MrZ To me, they were lynching a townie especially given kush's check. You seem to know a little more than me Show nested quote +4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads My scumread had 1 vote 10 minutes to lynch time >_> My best option was to try to stop mafia
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On December 23 2012 06:35 kushm4sta wrote:
i hate you cheesecake
##unvote
##vote eywa
for real this time
the bff team is djo mrcc and hapa
mrcc left hapa out, he's a liar
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On December 23 2012 06:41 kushm4sta wrote:
no idea who the scumbro is if it isn't eywa
HAPA?
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Kush just think why the hell isn't hapa shot yet? who will his death not benefit?
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##unvote
##Vote Hapahauli
let's do this
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On December 23 2012 06:50 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Hapahauli
let's do this Ghost isn't around, so it's a moot point. I just wanted to throw it out there so I can say I told you so from the start.
sadly, yes
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On December 23 2012 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Hapahauli
let's do this So is there a reason you think I"m scum other than "why am I not dead?"
I've been repeating it for days.
you ignored my questions when I replied to your "case", and your responses were bad, and your attempt to bribe me was the funniest
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##unvote
##vote hapahauli
:D lynch him mrcc
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funny how kush shuted up
great, now the only sane player I have is dead goodnight
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On December 23 2012 07:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wow. Hapa, you're too good at this game.
no. if you're town you're too bad at this game
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On December 23 2012 07:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 07:03 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 07:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wow. Hapa, you're too good at this game. no. if you're town you're too bad at this game Do something other than tunnel a town N1 and make shit arguments.
it was you and hapa. I'm still not sure about you and I apologise if you're town. It's my first majority lynch game
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I recall marv policy lynches at D3
time to carry it out on hapa
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On December 24 2012 02:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Still can't believe Hapa is scum this game. Well played sir, even if town loses. Really well played. I think his main mistake was fake checking Ghost. When he first said green check ghost, I said wtf. I was expecting him to check djo or eywa, those would make sense as town.
yes, yes, yes. You know you're putting yourself on the line tonight with posts like that right
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my problem with hapa is that I'm convinced his scum but going through all his posts to make a proper case is a lot of work
=( damn you
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On December 23 2012 07:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
One quote sticks to me about Hapa: "I encourage you to vote DoYouHas.." This was when just he was on him... I don't get it. That has to be the sickest bus ever if he's scum.
Won't that be scummy, as opposed to a townier post like : Vote DYH he's scum!
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Hapa
Nitpicking on people who are targeting him while constantly helping out people who are Pro Hapa
On December 17 2012 08:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 08:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 08:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
ewya that's all nonsense because you said he's town... are you accusing him of something right now? I can't exactly tell He's mafia, I'll be voting for him next day. That's cause he knows he will be alive tomorrow Die scum.
Went crazy about eywa's "townie lynch immenent" post (no time to find it)
On December 17 2012 05:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@hapa I don't think eywa was referring to anyone in particular when he said that. It was just a statement of general pessimism. Finally, someone with some sense speaks... I didn't say who was going to get lynched, I simply said it would be a civilian (which is truth, there is no way any of the mafia is going down today, not with this town). Ohhhhhhhh that makes more sense. See this is why you're supposed to address my questions rather than let me get going. ##Unvote
screams pretentiousness
On December 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote:
I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. You didn't read my post about cheeserake. When you end a case with this, I don't have to read it: Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 06:08 Eywa- wrote:
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Let's just lynch him because we can! Who gives a flying #$%@ if he's town or not...
Avoiding the case by pretending to be offended
On December 19 2012 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ JieXian
Please catch up on recent thread events. I don't have my vote on you atm. In fact it's probably best just to go start at page 70 and work your way onwards. Less angry and whatnot.
Deliberately ignoring questions when asked with an attempt to take the heat of himself by appealing to me right after my wave of posts on this page of my filter with a ridiculous excuse given how I ended it with:
On December 19 2012 00:30 JieXian wrote:ok bye I'm done for the day. Glad to see things toning down. Even gladder to have seen this earlier Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
I'm just curious as to why hapahauli is vouching so hard for cheeseflake when no one else has ever vouched this hard for another person.
Furthermore, I fail to see why we would listen to him given that hapahauli is the only one to change his character profile 4 times (next highest being 0) and he has a scumslip to his name claiming that he is scum...
What more is needed? I'm not vouching for him. I'm stating that I don't have enough evidence to think he's scum. On December 18 2012 07:48 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote:
I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. I don't care whether somebody is pro town or not. I care whether they're town or scum. And Eywa is town. I need to calm down. I'll be back in a bit. yet you have more evidence for Jie Xian? lol... you're obviously scum. Yes you piece of shit. I have plenty of evidence for JieXian if you ever bothered to read you dumbfuck. Was about to post a huge lol and some gifs and youtube links but controled myself. I'll just have to settle with hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Trying to take the heat of from eywa at the same time
On December 19 2012 04:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 04:36 kushm4sta wrote:
hapa why are you flip flopping on ewya so hard.
and I admit and appoligize for my uselessness . like I said irl issues I'm dealing which should be gone tonight. Read page 70 and onward. We buddied hardcore man.
shit i have no time good night
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hapa's team can be djo or cc or kush it's hard to say for me right now because so everyone is buddying him.
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nice.. I actually have more to say but I procrastinated it for too long, hold on
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Hapa's case on Eywa
That's very hypocritical since that's what hapa has been doing all game: spreading suspicion over everybody and even agreeing with eywa's cases
+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 12:20 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. Thanks for the reads. I think we're sharing much more common ground than we both realized. You're spot on with DYH. His play is indeed really impersonal, and this "emotional detatchment" from the game I find rather scummy. Townies are often really emotional, wild, and crazy. There are certainly exceptions (i.e., scum can be emotional), but complete emotional detachment in the manner exhibited by DYH is strongly suggestive of scum. Do you agree? Drazak is a rather interesting case, because he's normally very lurky as town and scum. I'm getting town vibes from him based his passivity, which strangely enough is indicative of his town play. MrZ is far too attention-seeking this game to be scum. I think we both agree about that. JieXian, I'm a bit torn on. I don't like his play, however, he has some guts to OMGUS me given how violent I've been most of Day 1. I'm willing to see that as townie for now, and hopefully we both can talk a bit more calmly tomorrow. ##UnvoteKush and Djodref are two players I have to look at in a lot of detail. With how this game is working out, I'm pretty sure they're scum. They're very uninvolved in the game, and for the most part have been sitting back and watching us fight. So here's my theory; everyone in the game that's been screaming at each other is town. The scum, DYH, Kush, and Djodref have been sitting in the shadows eating popcorn and watching ourselves tear each other apart. Whaddya think?
There's also being plain misleading
On December 22 2012 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
So Eywa turned down voting the guy he was convinced was scum (Mr.CC) in favor of voting his top town read an hour prior for zero rationale. The only motivation I can attach to his actions is that he wanted someone dead - anyone but his scumbuddy DYH.
It's not his top town read but his only town read, and he agrees
On December 23 2012 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:22 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:21 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:19 JieXian wrote:
I didn't state my town reads either and I've been getting a lot of shit from you with the morbid case. He just doesn't have to post every single townie read he has What does this have to do with the matter at hand JX? I'm not attacking him for not posting town reads. I'm attacking him because he went after the one town read he posted! ok so we can agree that eywa voted his ONLY town read and not his TOP town read Yes we can. What's the difference?
The difference is that hapa was lying and trying to frame someone as scummy when he isn't, which you have been doing to eywa the whole game by calling anything he can scummy
I'll continue after I get my sleep
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How will the christmas day extension work? Does it include the current D3 or are we still in N3 because of the merry christmas thing? When will this day end?
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On December 24 2012 07:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.
What if you're scum and you just didn't shoot?
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On December 25 2012 23:14 JieXian wrote:
How will the christmas day extension work? Does it include the current D3 or are we still in N3 because of the merry christmas thing? When will this day end?
never mind, caught up with the thread
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On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.
I really don't see how this is a flawless plan:
1) Mafia would know ghost's alignment regardless and the DT claim was a claim for townie cred
2) Scum killing you would be a great idea, though yes it would confirm ghost as town
3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea.
4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM
if Kush doesn't die, you JKed kush or you chose not to kill someone. Since there are 2 scum left I don't think you can stop a death by RBing someone.
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And about the voting thing, tell me your plan again in one offical post so I can break it down and pin you as the lying and deceitful scum that you are.
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I guess I don't need to finish my other case now since if I can show that hapa's plan is bullshit we can confirm him as scum right?
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For the moment, just look at how misleading that witchcraft thing was...
I saw flaws in your plan but I'll make my final when you give me a properly laid out one to scrutinise so I can understand it clearly and possibly change my mind and so you can't twist anything
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Oh great hapa is not telling the details of the plan
Somebody tell me the details. If you can't tell me the details, you probably don't know it and you are following scum blindly.
For now if the plan doesn't make sense we can confirm hapa / djo scumteam
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Everyone!
Do you actually know how is it supposed to work?
Why the hell are you sheeping Hapa if you have no idea how it's supposed to work and never considered how it can be abused?
Hapa has already been proven to be lying:
On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.
There are so many holes in his logic:
1) Mafia would know ghost's alignment regardless and the DT claim was a claim for townie cred
2) Scum killing you would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if you flip green
3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea.
4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM
if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left I don't think you can stop a death by RBing someone.
Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill
Don't trust him or sheep him blindly, until you have REALLY understood the proposal. Remember, he is planning to confirm DJO (possible scum) as townie. Think of the motives behind it.
##Vote : Hapahauli
Only agree to the plan once you are sure that it's airtight. And I'm betting the mafia game is designed so that these things can't happen.
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My question to everyone is:
How could you know for sure if someone who claimed to have won the election is actually town?
What if 2 people (Djo and ghost) claim to have won? How would you know who is telling the truth?
By their masoning/RB powers?
Consider the FAQ
On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Q: Can scum win witchcraft? What happens?
A: If a scum player wins witchcraft he is informed of this fact, but can't pick a power from the list. If he wants to fake using a power he can use his holy pages, or whatever.
What are Holy Pages?
On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
The Holy Words and Pages: The Witch Hunter and The Inquisitor, both being traveling men of God, have brought with them copies of pages from The Good Book. Once per game at night, any member of The Inquisition can RB a player. Once per game at night, any member of the Inquisition can Mason a player. This effect lasts until the end of the upcoming day, and absorbs the Pages, making them unusable in the future.
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Ok I saw it. In the case of Djo -> Mrcc , hapa -> ghost
+ Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote:
Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^
It's done ! On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Awesomesauce.
My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403.
So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum.
Here's my problem:
if it's a hapa with kush/ghost/jx team,
- MrCC wins,
- djo gets confirmed town and gets shot at night and hapa gets townie cred
- moderately good for scum
if it's a hapa / mrcc team,
- nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won:
- hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status
- kush and I will be lynched = gg
FOUND A LOOPHOLE
##Vote: Hapahauli
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On December 27 2012 01:55 kushm4sta wrote:
@jx... I agree Hapa's reasoning on the nk is kind of fishy. Scum should have killed ghost 100% obvious in my mind.
But the plan seems so be pretty good to me. Here are the people who will possibly get witchcraft: cheesecake or ghost.
If they BOTH claim witchcraft we know one of ghost or cheesecake is scum.
If only one claims witchcraft we know if djo is scum or town, depending on which one claims.
The plan works to figure out djo's alignment.
Nothing is that simple with hapa. Given his bad Nk reasoning, which you bring another additional point on, there is a high chance that he's scum laying down the final pieces to victory.
The plan aims to confirm themselves as townie, djo is just a byproduct
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A hapa/mrcc scumteam makes sense since hapa has been plotting about the kush NK at night while mrcc has been playing a strong support role himself making hapa look good after eywa's lynch
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.
HELLO There are 2 mafia left?!
On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:The Inquisition Can deliver KP.The Priest (godfather): Can deliver KP.The Witch Hunter (two-shot blue vigi):Can do this and deliver scum KP in the same night.
lol just noticed this MrCC interviewing hapa is an easy way to misdirect everyone's attention from the loophole in the plan to somewhere else.
On December 24 2012 13:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMFG HAPA HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM SHOT TWICE WTF SCUM LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH
/jk
In all seriousness this seems foolproof if we can coordinate it correctly. Whoever gets NK'd will be very telling as well. IF scum decide to not NK, we can just repeat this process.
Seriously, he the hell could hapa have known? The acceptance of the whole plan relies on this, and Mrcc makes that possibility seem impossible
On December 24 2012 09:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also: Why did you "check" Ghost? Why not Eywa? Djo? These would make more sense considering they were your scumreads. [/spoiler]
Questioning hapa on something that he can answer easily
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On December 27 2012 03:03 kushm4sta wrote:
Dude it's not a loophole. All this is supposed to do is figure out djo's alignment, which it still does in the case of your loophole
hapa doesn't see it that way
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.
think about it, after the electrions, hapa and mrcc WILL be considered confirmed townie too.
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you're right about djo, but that along with hapa justification, in which the plan was about kush, things don't add up.
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.
think about it, after the electrions, hapa and mrcc WILL be considered confirmed townie too.[/QUOTE]
If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush
eg:
Get Kush to vote for Djo
Then MrCC to vote for ghost
But he DIDN'T
Why?
Bercause it never was about kush
Moreover scum can just NK djo, what's the point?
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it just the perfect timing for a scum endgame plan when everyone can latch on to something that sounds decent and go about their christmas business, and scum have excuses for lurking.
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On December 25 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
i feel like djo is gonna flip town and I'm being framed by a cheesecake/jx scumteam.
You know that hapa devised the entire plan right? Any framing will be carried out by hapa himself.
Think about it. His NK stuff were nonsense, his voting plan is nonsense (claims to be about kush but doesn't involve kush at all)
Hapa is scum.
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Hapa
1) N3 no kill and kush
On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.
There are so many holes in his logic:
1) Excellent choice to kill a supposed confirmed townie. Hapa could be mafia fakeclaiming DT for townie cred, knowing ghost's alignment.
2) Hapa being shot would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if hapa flips green. Only me and mrcc were suspicious of hapa and mrcc never posted any cases. He only whined about crap like how hapa was betrayed his trust.
3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea, ghost didn't care, mrcc did nothing but whine.
4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM
if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left hapa can't stop a death by RBing someone.
Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill
2) The election plan to decide kush's alignment
Get Djo to vote for Mrcc , hapa to vote for ghost
+ Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote:
Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^
It's done ! On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Awesomesauce.
My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403.
So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum.
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.
If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush
eg:
Get Kush to vote for MrCC
Then hapa to vote for ghost
But he DIDN'T
Why?
Bercause it never was about kush
On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town.
He initially wanted to prove that kush was town
On December 25 2012 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
But yes, it's looking a lot like Kush + JX scumteam right now.
Now he wants to swing it to proving that kush is scum.
Problem is, if kush is scum and hapa JKed kush, The night kill would have went through
On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:The Inquisition Can deliver KP.The Priest (godfather): Can deliver KP.The Witch Hunter (two-shot blue vigi):Can do this and deliver scum KP in the same night.
3) Loophole in the plan
if it's a hapa / mrcc team,
- nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won:
- hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status
- kush and I will be lynched = gg
##Vote: Hapahauli
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I'd like to see you do it and prove me wrong if you're townie
What do you expect to gain after djo's confirmation?
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though I don't see that being something possible.
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Guys, think about it the outcome of the elections again, if hapa really is townie, and MrCC wins:
1) DJO and MrCC gets confirmed townie.
2) Since Kush couldn't possibly be RBed from performing the NK, he'd be confirmed townie since hapa must have saved kush from the NK
3) We are left with Ghost and Me, and since Ghost supposedly got the green DT check from Hapa, we're left with one unconfirmed townie = me
ie If Hapa is townie, his election plan will lead to a conclusion that only 1 scum is left
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because I follow the logic. Based on today's happenings, I was wrong about djo
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btw towards the end of d2 my vote was on hapa
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On December 27 2012 04:51 Hapahauli wrote:Nah. I really don't have any shot at changing your mind so I don't feel like it. If Djo is confirmed as scum, I'll answer for this (but keep in mind that my "scum-strategy" this game would have been to "bus" two of my "teammates"). . If he flips town, I'm lynching you next. Is this a serious question? "What do I expect to gain from mod-confirming a player's alignment?"
I wanted to hear it from you but I got it
On December 27 2012 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 04:45 JieXian wrote:
Guys, think about it the outcome of the elections again, if hapa really is townie, and MrCC wins:
1) DJO and MrCC gets confirmed townie.
2) Since Kush couldn't possibly be RBed from performing the NK, he'd be confirmed townie since hapa must have saved kush from the NK
3) We are left with Ghost and Me, and since Ghost supposedly got the green DT check from Hapa, we're left with one unconfirmed townie = me
ie If Hapa is townie, his election plan will lead to a conclusion that only 1 scum is left Oh that's wrong. Kush wouldn't be confirmed town. It would just mean that I blocked Kush from taking the mafia shot.
False, if it were a kush/jx team my shot would have went through
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On December 27 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm curious JX - what makes my gameplay here different from my town gameplay in Newbie XX?
it's littered with scum. I already broke down your plan
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On December 27 2012 05:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 05:02 JieXian wrote:... On December 27 2012 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 27 2012 04:45 JieXian wrote:
Guys, think about it the outcome of the elections again, if hapa really is townie, and MrCC wins:
1) DJO and MrCC gets confirmed townie.
2) Since Kush couldn't possibly be RBed from performing the NK, he'd be confirmed townie since hapa must have saved kush from the NK
3) We are left with Ghost and Me, and since Ghost supposedly got the green DT check from Hapa, we're left with one unconfirmed townie = me
ie If Hapa is townie, his election plan will lead to a conclusion that only 1 scum is left Oh that's wrong. Kush wouldn't be confirmed town. It would just mean that I blocked Kush from taking the mafia shot. False, if it were a kush/jx team my shot would have went through Uh... rofl?
from mafiascum:
In particular, when there is one Mafioso left Roleblockers can be used to confirm players - if the Mafia's kill goes through, whoever was blocked that Night isn't the last Mafioso. Inversely, if a Roleblocker blocks someone and the Mafia's kill disappears, there is a decent chance that the Roleblocker blocked the scum who was performing the kill (though this is not necessarily the case, given that other power roles may have had a hand in it).
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On December 27 2012 05:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So JX, you shot somebody? Good to know.
you're trying too hard. I said if. There are 2 mafia left. RBing a mafia won't stop the NK
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On December 27 2012 05:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So JX, you shot somebody? Good to know.
know your tenses
conditional [kənˈdɪʃənəl]
adj
1. depending on other factors; not certain
2. (Linguistics / Grammar) Grammar (of a clause, conjunction, form of a verb, or whole sentence) expressing a condition on which something else is contingent: ``If he comes'' is a conditional clause in the sentence ``If he comes I shall go''
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On December 27 2012 05:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Yes, if there's one mafia left. Not two.
Meaning there's 2 left so you couldn't possibly have RBed a mafia from the NK
good to know you are agreeing
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On December 27 2012 05:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Kush could take the NK... kush is roleblocked. What don't you understand about that?
Yes roleblocking stops the mafia NK If he is the one to take the shot.
this logic should work in Newbie mafia where people don't know the rules
from mafiascum:
In particular, when there is one Mafioso left Roleblockers can be used to confirm players - if the Mafia's kill goes through, whoever was blocked that Night isn't the last Mafioso. Inversely, if a Roleblocker blocks someone and the Mafia's kill disappears, there is a decent chance that the Roleblocker blocked the scum who was performing the kill (though this is not necessarily the case, given that other power roles may have had a hand in it).
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let's let Blazinghand settle it
when there are 2 mafia left RBing one of them won't stop the NK right?
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On December 27 2012 06:47 Blazinghand wrote:
RBing the mafia player who is delivering the NK will stop the NK.
ok fine, I'll admit my mistake on that, but my main point still stands, yes, a part of it that relies on RBing isn't true
On December 27 2012 03:52 JieXian wrote:
Hapa
1) N3 no kill and kushShow nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum. There are so many holes in his logic: 1) Excellent choice to kill a supposed confirmed townie. Hapa could be mafia fakeclaiming DT for townie cred, knowing ghost's alignment. 2) Hapa being shot would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if hapa flips green. Only me and mrcc were suspicious of hapa and mrcc never posted any cases. He only whined about crap like how hapa was betrayed his trust. 3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea, ghost didn't care, mrcc did nothing but whine. 4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left hapa can't stop a death by RBing someone. Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill
2) The election plan to decide kush's alignmentGet Djo to vote for Mrcc , hapa to vote for ghost + Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote:
Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^
It's done ! On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Awesomesauce.
My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403.
So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum. Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly. If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush eg: Get Kush to vote for MrCC Then hapa to vote for ghost But he DIDN'TWhy? Because it never was about kush Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. He initially wanted to prove that kush was town Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
But yes, it's looking a lot like Kush + JX scumteam right now. Now he wants to swing it to proving that kush is scum. Problem is, if kush is scum and hapa JKed kush, The night kill would have went throughFor someone who has spent so much time devising a plan, he doesn't seem to be sure on what he wants. If you think kush is scum, why not do a confirm vote with Kush actually involved?
3) Loophole in the planif it's a hapa / mrcc team,
- nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won:
- hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status
- kush and I will be lynched = gg##Vote: Hapahauli
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wth I was expecting hapa and mrcc together.
I find it funny how it's about how it's about voted for witchcraft and we have a player named ghost.
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i'll continue tomorrow goodnight
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On December 27 2012 07:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 07:26 JieXian wrote:
wth I was expecting hapa and mrcc together.
I find it funny how it's about how it's about voted for witchcraft and we have a player named ghost. You were convinced it was Me and CC pre-flip. Why is this impossible in your view now? Couldn't a hypothetical CC/Hapa scumteam just be lying about this? And btw, no one answer this for him.
If even you believe that, I can't help but to agree lol lol
so are you going to do the honours and vote yourself tomorrow?
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lol you're testing me? you're so funny. I still have my case on you
A rogue townie could have manipulated the vote, someone like kush who was about to be lynched if djo flips town.
your plan failed
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On December 27 2012 06:20 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake stfu the plan remains the same. dont fuck with it its good
On December 27 2012 07:14 kushm4sta wrote:
knew it. so knew it
On December 27 2012 07:23 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake you have to lead the bandwagon on yourself
sounds like a man with a plan to me
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Djo
déso mé ta con prix la situ min't'nen, nan? tu ve me mésonne-er?
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chuisur que té vile lageux, tépa si... com
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On December 27 2012 15:35 Hapahauli wrote:
Question. Do you believe ghost is confirmed town?
yes
but that won't confirm your alignment at all because if scum won the elections, he could have claimed the DT check.
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djo, chai obliyéd mi lepin avan... poutin......
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On December 27 2012 16:33 Blazinghand wrote:
Let's try to keep it en english, ladies and gents.
ok didn't see that earlier
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On December 27 2012 16:53 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh, and regarding the possibility of "rogue townies" voting for Ghost, that's implausible. Unless you voted for ghost (and it doesn't sound like you did), every other player here agreed to my plan. Unless anyone would like to claim otherwise, there were no rogue players, and I'm confirmed town.
Lol you do know that it's not in kush's advantage to publicly claim it because it'll damage the credibility of djo's read and his safety, since kush had a scum read on DJo.
Furthermore kush won't have the power to convince Djo to not go along with the plan, because djo was expecting to be a confirmed townie , and ghost doesn't seem to be around at all.
There are hints of his suspicion about you:
On December 24 2012 11:36 kushm4sta wrote:
This witchcraft manipulation thing: Can you summarize your proposal so I can just read it and understand wtf you are saying? Because right now it doesn't make sense to me at all.
Cheesecake/djo does not feel right. Cheesecake's hard defense of djo definitely has scum motivation, but it's not a scum-like thing to do.
This shit with you jking me and preventing a NK. It rubs me the wrong way.
-If I were scum hands down I would kill ghost. Confirmed town at this stage of the game is huge.
-You are wrong about ghost flipping green confirms you green. Hypothetically if you are red and ghost is green, what else would you do? You wouldn't call him red if he's green.
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And hapa you sure did call in the blazing cops really quick on my little chat =(
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On December 27 2012 16:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 16:29 JieXian wrote:On December 27 2012 15:35 Hapahauli wrote:
Question. Do you believe ghost is confirmed town? yes but that won't confirm your alignment at all because if scum won the elections, he could have claimed the DT check. If Ghost is confirmed town, I am confirmed town as well, due to the analysis below: Show nested quote +Also by similar logic, I am confirmed town. Wheeeee!
Since Djo is guaranteed to flip scum (as discussed above), one of ghost and I have to be town.
We cannot both be scum, since Djo is scum (and there's only 1 more scum)
Ghost cannot individually be scum, since I DT checked him (I have no reason to lie about this as town).
Hapa cannot be individually scum, since Ghost won the elections and no one else voted him (again, ghost has no reason to lie as town)
Djo is guaranteed to flip scum only if there wasn't any rogue townies voting for ghost.
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On December 27 2012 16:53 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh, and regarding the possibility of "rogue townies" voting for Ghost, that's implausible. Unless you voted for ghost (and it doesn't sound like you did), every other player here agreed to my plan. Unless anyone would like to claim otherwise, there were no rogue players, and I'm confirmed town.
oh wait then again kush will be confirmed townie if he claims and everyone believed him.
But then he may not get to lynch djo
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Ghost might want to random between vetting, checking one of us or JKing someone.
Don't bother RBing djo
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On December 28 2012 02:45 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 18:05 JieXian wrote:On December 27 2012 16:53 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh, and regarding the possibility of "rogue townies" voting for Ghost, that's implausible. Unless you voted for ghost (and it doesn't sound like you did), every other player here agreed to my plan. Unless anyone would like to claim otherwise, there were no rogue players, and I'm confirmed town. Lol you do know that it's not in kush's advantage to publicly claim it because it'll damage the credibility of djo's read and his safety, since kush had a scum read on DJo. Furthermore kush won't have the power to convince Djo to not go along with the plan, because djo was expecting to be a confirmed townie , and ghost doesn't seem to be around at all. There are hints of his suspicion about you: On December 24 2012 11:36 kushm4sta wrote:
This witchcraft manipulation thing: Can you summarize your proposal so I can just read it and understand wtf you are saying? Because right now it doesn't make sense to me at all.
Cheesecake/djo does not feel right. Cheesecake's hard defense of djo definitely has scum motivation, but it's not a scum-like thing to do.
This shit with you jking me and preventing a NK. It rubs me the wrong way.
-If I were scum hands down I would kill ghost. Confirmed town at this stage of the game is huge.
-You are wrong about ghost flipping green confirms you green. Hypothetically if you are red and ghost is green, what else would you do? You wouldn't call him red if he's green.
What the hell are you talking about? Kush would claim if he went against my plan. He didn't do so, and I'm town.
you're saying if kush claims you're not town?
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fine. Kush, I really dont think Djo is scum unless he's pulling off some serious WIFOM play
On December 26 2012 17:06 Djodref wrote:Why do you care ? Waiting to send in your kills ? Night is going to be in 14hours and I'm also going to be confirmed town at that point ^^ And it really doesn't look like it pleases you
So did you vote for ghost?
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and was it after or before hapa if you did?
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WTH kush and djo why didn't object to the plan
I was sure they were townie because they didn't object
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On December 28 2012 17:49 Djodref wrote:@ BlazinghandI think you should remove the abstain mechanic or you should gave the bullets to the whole scumteam. And you shouldn't have told them how to abstain Also I really don't understand why JieXian didn't claim his vote. I know he had me as scum with Hapa, but his actions made me confirmed scum when I could still be town from his point of view. I think we could have won this game easily after D1 if we had run a proper disruption in the thread during D2. I really don't wish you to be scum with kush in any of you game. This is just so frustrating ^^
I didn't claim my vote because I voted after hapa did, and it means that even if I was the only one who voted for ghost, and Djo is town, Ghost wouldn't have won:
Hapa would also have voted for ghost in order for ghost to win 2-1. That was why I was getting kush to claim the vote.
I had strong townie reads on kush and Djo D4/N4 because they were allowing so many things that do not favour them to happen too easily
I don't understand why didn't kush claim the vote to save Djo....
I don't know why did they let the plan go through so easily, despite the countless openings I have provided for them...
I still don't understand why didn't scum NK hapa...... Eywa and me would have been easy lynches later. Nor why Djo and kush were always protecting hapa from me and eywa, from everything we had to say against him. They had so many chances to lynch the "strongest townie".
You 2 are just damn confusing
Sorry hapa I blame noob scum =P
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ok I'll admit that you 2 really got me =(
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dafuck
I get it now, djo and kush didn't understand the plan which was why they went through with it lol lol
##concede
it's up to kush now.
I would like to know how ghost got elected last time ^^
Kush, in fact, this is very good for us Because people are going to vote for "nobody" They have to cast the Witchcraft vote, they cannot send nothing. If they follow the rules, "nobody" is going to win. There is not going to be any blues next round. That's perfect ! I think that the order of the votes went like this Cheese -> "nobody" Hapa -> "ghost" Hopefully,then, JieXian and ghost are going to vote as well JieXian -> "nobody" Ghost -> "nobody" Then, "nobody" becomes blue, that's the rule. If they miss it for the rest of the day, then it's totally OK I'm going to look not so bad because I accepted the thing. If JieXian complains, he is going to look bad. So, yeah, don't worry ^^ @Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ? I'm not asking to know which one of Hapa and Cheese voted first ^^
YOU 2 BLOODY IDIOTS LOL THAT'S SO DAMN CUTE
djo t'es vraiment con :D
mystery solved. I take back everything I said about you 2 lol
Edit: Reread the OP and realised that there was some possible ambuguity which lead djo and kush to misintepret it
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Ok I reread it again and realised that it may be ambiguous ...
but can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves-- a self-vote is an abstain. They can vote to give the power to nobody, but only with one vote.
the X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers, which they retain until the next election:
edit: nah after rereading it I'm finding it funny again lol. Really sucks to have lost that way, and have my mind screwed up that badly >:-[
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I would have very much preferred being humiliated by brilliant mafia play than 2 people not getting the rules.
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On December 28 2012 23:16 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 20:04 JieXian wrote:
I would have very much preferred being humiliated by brilliant mafia play than 2 people not getting the rules. Please show me which part of the rules we didn't understand. And you were very close for losing the game for the town with your obsession with Hapa being scum. So yeah, don't be cocky...
Kush, in fact, this is very good for us Because people are going to vote for "nobody" They have to cast the Witchcraft vote, they cannot send nothing. If they follow the rules, "nobody" is going to win. There is not going to be any blues next round. That's perfect ! I think that the order of the votes went like this Cheese -> "nobody" Hapa -> "ghost" Hopefully,then, JieXian and ghost are going to vote as well JieXian -> "nobody" Ghost -> "nobody" Then, "nobody" becomes blue, that's the rule. If they miss it for the rest of the day, then it's totally OK I'm going to look not so bad because I accepted the thing. If JieXian complains, he is going to look bad. So, yeah, don't worry ^^ @Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ? I'm not asking to know which one of Hapa and Cheese voted first ^^
This bad rule intepretation that you didn't get costed you the game remember? I find it ludicrous that you still didn't know what was the final game deciding play.
The only reason I was obsessed with hapa was because you 2 appeared to have pulled off a super bluff as mafia by agreeeing to his plan. But the fact is you actually thought and still seem to think that the plan that made you lose was to be a plan that would make you win and never realised it until now.
You get absolutely no bragging rights for fooling me this way lol...
For the record I didn't really feel like I won and I never bragged about it. Everything I said post game was only frustration. In fact, Hapa singlehandedly won the game, and I still don't get your lack of respect/fear for his town play.
I hardly did anything. The most pro town thing I did was realising something about the voting N4 which lead me to not claim:
if Djo is town,
I voted after hapa did for ghost,
Therefore we're the only 2 people who voted for ghost then hapa is still town.
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hapa do have a read at my quote from the mafia qt in the post above
They actually thought and still think that "nobody" would have won the election
Remember how kush thought that my "sabotage" won you the game?
On December 28 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 11:52 kushm4sta wrote:
you guys dont realize it but jx actually won this game for you.
so you were going to elect no one as witch, since no one had the majority vote.
what you actually wanted was to abstain instead of vote no one.
djo and I were counting on no one getting witchcraft.
but jx made fixed that problem and fooled me into thinking the no one/abstain thijg didn't work BH messaged me saying that you can vote for "no-one" as you don't vote for a person. Or you can vote for "nobody" and that means nobody at all gets the powers. I voted for "no-one" per his response. Either way the plan should have worked.
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On December 29 2012 03:05 gonzaw wrote:
JX, I still don't understand your vote on ghost.
These would be the votes (in order):
Djo->Mr CC
Hapa -> ghost
JX -> ghost
If Djo & Hapa are town, Mr CC would have 1 vote, and ghost would have 2 votes, thus ghost gets elected
If Djo is scum and Hapa town, ghost has 2 votes thus gets elected
If both Djo and Hapa are scum, ghost gets 1 vote and thus gets elected
If Djo is town and Hapa scum, Mr CC gets 1 vote first and thus gets elected.
The only advantage of your plan was being sure that Mr CC would get elected if Djo was town and Hapa was scum.....in every other scenario you have no idea who is the real scum and you basically wasted that witchcraft vote. If both Djo and Hapa are town, you even "confirmed" Djo as scum and lost town the game.
Not only that, but even if you tried to figure any of those situations out...other townies don't know if you are town or scum so they have even more scenarios to take into account, for instance "If JX is town and telling the truth then..." and "If JX is scum and lying then...".
Imagine this: you and Djo are the scumteam
What happens? Exactly what happened before, ghost gets elected and Djo is "confirmed scum". Well....you, as scum, just claim you voted ghost, post those "bullshit" reasons for voting him, and now Djo is no longer "confirmed scum" because, if people assume you are town, there is a chance Djo is town (if Hapa is town as well). Now town, instead of having 1 confirmed town or 1 confirmed scum have no idea what to do.
Now, imagine you (as town) claimed as you did on D5 before Djo gets lynched (or even in N4). What does town believe? That you legitimately voted ghost for those reasons you posted or that you are Djo's scumbuddy trying to avoid getting him lynched because he's not "confirmed scum" anymore?
EDIT: Of course the obvious question is "What if Djo was town?"
Excuse my skipping and skimming to the end but I really thought djo was town because that plan was about to cost him the game were he scum and it didn't make sense to me that he'd have absolutely no resistance towards the plan.
Djo and Kush (would be the next target along with me if djo flips town) had nothing to gain as scum, be it as a team or seperately, would agree to the plan. I mean they'd look good during the day but come night djo will be instantly be labelled as scum.
Therefore, dismissing a bluff that made no long term sense, I conjured up theories of how hapa/mrcc/ghost could be mafia and how they would have something to gain since hapa was the one who proposed the plan
in retrospect my vote would be useless even if Djo was town and hapa was scum since I voted for ghost after hapa did.
Edit:
If Djo & Hapa are town, Mr CC would have 1 vote, and ghost would have 2 votes, thus ghost gets elected
If Djo is town and Hapa scum, Mr CC gets 1 vote first and thus gets elected.
Since I thought convinced that Djo was town, this was precisely why I didn't claim and was getting kush to do so. Like I said that was the only pro town thing I did.
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nah I wasn't assuming, I was convinced that djo was town for reasons stated above.
Actually my vote on ghost was placed very very late in D4, when I was already convinced by kush and djo were townie.
I never thought too much about protecting myself that way because I wasn't trying to save myself but to save town (or at least who I thought were town). If the argument came up in D5 that I was protecting Djo I'd use the same argument that I'm using now: he did nothing to stop the plan which was about to expose him.
Edit: understood your question
My vote on ghost which actually helped my pro-town decision making was actually a coincidence and because I didn't make allowance for town hapa when I placed that vote. I had a wrong idea about the voting mechanics too (that only town would be notified if they won) when I posted some long babble about the PLAN and its possible outcomes
I only came to a realisation after ghost won, that my vote was telling me that hapa could very well be townie
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On December 29 2012 04:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Agreed MrCc. With the exceptions of Hapa, DP, Thrawn, and maybe MrZ, this game should be looked back on as a cautionary tale. Trying to justify bad play after the fact isn't helping anyone to learn from their mistakes.
nah dyh you played well imo I never suspected you much. The last time I did something stupid as town I commended scum's play because he fooled me well and I overlooked him. He knew what he was doing. Actually he kinda has your style too. So that's a lesson to take home.
I never suspected that kush and djo were together like marv said, their distancing was really good I have to give them credit for that.
Marv luckily I realised that 1 important point before I blew =( I already said why I didn't think it was a townie led plan.
I learnt from my mistakes alright, which is that people may not shoot the best town to screw with 1 guy and some might actually not mind going along with a plan that would sign their GG.
I learnt that it's stupid to assume people won't make stupid decisions or decisions that seem stupid to me.
Hapa I seriously still find some parts of your playstyle to be scummy and I guess that's just your town style.
I'd like to think that I'm not an idiotic sore loser and I'll gladly give credit to kush and djo where it's due : good distancing, screwing with my mind by not shooting hapa (though I won't play that way) but definitely not your "bluff" on Hapa's plan.
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no no no no no I've told you enough times. Since you won't listen to me and I'm sick of repeating the same thing I'd need blazinghand to clarify on how the voting system is
Kush, in fact, this is very good for us
Because people are going to vote for "nobody"
They have to cast the Witchcraft vote, they cannot send nothing. If they follow the rules, "nobody" is going to win. There is not going to be any blues next round. That's perfect !
I think that the order of the votes went like this
Cheese -> "nobody"
Hapa -> "ghost"
Hopefully,then, JieXian and ghost are going to vote as well
JieXian -> "nobody"
Ghost -> "nobody"
Then, "nobody" becomes blue, that's the rule. If they miss it for the rest of the day, then it's totally OK
I'm going to look not so bad because I accepted the thing. If JieXian complains, he is going to look bad. So, yeah, don't worry ^^
@Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ?
I'm not asking to know which one of Hapa and Cheese voted first ^^
@Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ?
My vote didn't change anything except my own decision making. My CLAIM would've.
oh ya for that matter, if it works the way you think it works, there's absoluely no reason why Mr Nobody shouldn't win with 2 votes to 2 since I voted very late.
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eh? what about this line? this was the loophole you were referring to?
can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves-- a self-vote is an abstain.
Wasn't hapas plan about asking everyone to abstain
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ok...... then I'd suggest better wording next game and maybe include a detailed explaination like the no-lynch vote one because
X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers
"Nobody" can't win something or choose powers.
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ok then, didn't notice that at all
sucks to have went through that mindfuck because of loopholes
to the vets, might it be a great strategy to go nuts at the strongest townie players so that mafia won't shoot him*? :D
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On January 02 2013 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I think typically the best strategy as a townie is to push your scumreads, and defend your townreads if they are in danger of getting lynched. Your goal in this setup isn't really to avoid getting shot, since every townie basically has the same role-- Acolyte. Trying to appear unhelpful to avoid getting shot doesn't really help the town, and though you live longer, you are likely less useful as a result.
oh shit actually I meant won't shoot the strongest townie player***
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