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Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask.
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On December 16 2012 23:55 JieXian wrote: eywa I know you are doing something great for BW but I'd like you to post more and play the game more since you're already in it I fully intend on posting ;; I was out yesterday, no chance to post or read. Also, I've already pretty much done everything I am going to do for BW, just a couple details left to sort out, but that definitely won't be consuming my time.
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On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefOn December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! But I still really really like a JX lynch! Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn While you make a decent case against Thrawn, I still think that there is more of a case against hapahauli, thus I will not change my vote.
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On December 17 2012 01:35 kushm4sta wrote: can we stfu about mrz and jx? I think they are both bad lynches. I see a lot of effort from both of them to be involved in this game. * We need to start focusing on who we are going to lynch, since im pretty sure we have to lynch in 4.5 hours. There are actually more lurkers than I would there would be yesterday.. this is because people either haven't kept their promise to be active or have started posting minimally to avoid a modkill. THREESR: I think he's gonna get replaced, so we should ignore him for now. As I see it, these are the acceptable options: DOYOUHAS: This guy's posts are decently long, but I didn't even know he existed until I looked at the player list. He is invisible. He is a lurker who is putting some effort into not looking like a lurker. MORBIDUS: classic lurker Bad options: ENYA: fuuu i thought he was gonna get replaced but he's talking for now. Not the best choice IMO because he looks ready to contribute now. CHEESECAKE: Also looks ready to start contributing more.
NOTE: If threesr comes back in the thread to avoid a modkill then he goes on the lynch list.
If we go by your logic, the mafia wins by simply being the most active player in the game... Which is not the way to go.
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On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea.
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On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you.
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On December 17 2012 01:57 kushm4sta wrote: Addendum to viable lynch candidates: add ewya as a good lurker lynch. I still think morbidus is the best though
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Oops... Messed up that last post (but can't edit) anyhow, the game isn't about finding who is the most active, that's easy to do and can be done by running a light scan of the post history, the game is about finding guilty vs innocent. I don't give favoritism based on activity... Seems like something that someone would do to chop off some town votes because they are "easy targets".
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On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. One read through is enough. I thought that by definition, in order to participate, you'd have to be willing to read the thread. By saying you're not doing so, you just discredit your entire argument about thrawn even though some aspects may be valid.
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On December 17 2012 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: @eywa I want you to pick another lynch. Here's why: 1 Scumreads are at their weakest d1. Lynching a town hapa would be terrible for town, because of how useful of an asset he can be. 2 No on agrees with you, so that lynch is just not going to happen today. 1. You're running an assumption that he is a town 2. If it doesn't happen today, then the town still has 3 more days to get something right before they lose.
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It is not my first time playing mafia, it is my first time playing TL Mafia. Previous character profiles are a nuisance to the town, they generally bring people to quick and unfortunate assumptions, if someone plays a certain way 10 times and are a townie every time, why wouldn't they play the same way once they got mafia?
It's common sense... Previous knowledge can be used for serious meta-games, stay away from it.
Otherwise, it suffices to say that: I am not going to jump on someone else's band wagon just because it's a popular choice. I will remain with my vote on hapahauli. I don't believe him to be a town.
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On December 17 2012 03:02 threesr wrote: haven't been reading this game too close but i want to lynch jiexian
Are you for real... like, if this is the extent of your contribution, you shouldn't be playing. Clearly players are responsible for reading the thread.
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On December 17 2012 03:15 MrZentor wrote: I'm thinking. If you weren't so busy thinking about how awesome of a player you are, maybe you'd have an answer :-/.
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On December 17 2012 03:20 kushm4sta wrote: Too all the people who want to lynch thrawn: I played with him a lot and his town meta is to be an indecisive sheeper. Never seen his as scum though so I don't know what that would look like though. Every game I've played has included Eywa- and he seems to vary up his playstyle every game, I really don't know how to tell if he is a townie or not, but I just want to point out that I think he is innocent.
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On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote: i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: we really need a vote count... We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch. Who are teh viable lynches at this point? Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. That's pretty much how it seems this game is going to go "We want you dead" even though he in no way seems to be guilty.
I hope someone sees reason before the vote is final.
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On December 17 2012 03:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: So you're saying he's not suspect at all? Everyone is suspect to a degree, he is no more than any other person in this town.
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On December 17 2012 04:08 thrawn2112 wrote: lol @ all the people pretending to play now that we're close to the lynch
I'd also say lol @ people playing when they can actually actively be at a PC posting o.o
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On December 17 2012 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 04:08 thrawn2112 wrote: lol @ all the people pretending to play now that we're close to the lynch
I'd also say lol @ people playing when they can actually actively be at a PC posting o.o if you're town then what you've done so far (not show up till like 6 hours before lynch) is a disgrace and you should be ashamed and lynched for it. fortunately for you there are several people guilty of the same or worse yeah, let's see... 5 hours to get home from work on friday night into fundraiser + going to see the hobbit on saturday, I fail to see where I had time to come post on TL.
Also, this is coming from someone who hardly posted on lynch day .
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Civilian lynch: imminent.
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On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member.
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On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote: Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden?
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On December 17 2012 05:14 MrZentor wrote: Eywa isn't scum.
-.- He's randomly hopped onto about 5-6 people willy nilly just because it sounds like a good idea at the time, I'd get rid of him (as I've said from my first post, my mind hasn't changed and there is nothing that has been posted that seems more accusation worthy than how he's hopped around).
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On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote: Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter.
On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile.
On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor
On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive...
On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa
On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote: Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting.
On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one.
On December 15 2012 11:06 DarthPunk wrote: EBWOP:
##Vote: Djodref
On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP?
On December 15 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote: DP is scum btw.
##Vote DarthPunk
Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
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On December 17 2012 05:27 kushm4sta wrote: @hapa I don't think eywa was referring to anyone in particular when he said that. It was just a statement of general pessimism. Finally, someone with some sense speaks... I didn't say who was going to get lynched, I simply said it would be a civilian (which is truth, there is no way any of the mafia is going down today, not with this town).
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On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post...
Q: Were they against lurkers?
A: No
You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed.
Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty"
You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn.
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On December 17 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 16 2012 23:55 JieXian wrote: eywa I know you are doing something great for BW but I'd like you to post more and play the game more since you're already in it I fully intend on posting ;; I was out yesterday, no chance to post or read. Also, I've already pretty much done everything I am going to do for BW, just a couple details left to sort out, but that definitely won't be consuming my time. Just got back to reading the thread. WTF. You edited your post?! Please read the rules. No editing of posts allowed. I didn't intend to, if it happened, I apologize.
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On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. Show nested quote +You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Show nested quote +Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. Show nested quote +You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes.
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Q: Which townie predicted this? A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member.
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On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote: And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)...
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On December 17 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote: And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch. tell me how that;s better than our current situation ok going for real He's a man of god... What else needs to be said? (it's better for him)
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On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote: And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours)
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On December 17 2012 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote: And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain? 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you.
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On December 17 2012 06:21 thrawn2112 wrote: eywa, source pls on point #1? Basic math and probabilities... It's probably 50:50.
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Pushing mafia objectives by telling the population to not lynch someone because they are a civilian? Weren't you pushing to lynch said civilian?
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It didn't make sense to push for people to lynch you because they don't want to. I just wanted to throw the idea out there and advice the townies that they'd be killing off another townie... If I had any possibility of describing why he was a civilian in a manner the population of this town could understand, I would. Quite simply, there was nothing I could do to sway their votes.
You're being extremely defensive and centering the world around yourself (which there could be a reason for). Let's look at this in the sense that there are many people throwing accusations around at various people, yet I'm the mafia for no other reason than accusing you.
1) In other words, I've read all of your postings, you've thrown around accusations, retracted them when you saw convenient to gain people's trust.
2) You insist on coming after me even though you have nothing other than "Hey, Eywa- wanted me dead and wasn't able to sway you guys from killing a civilian"
3) You lied about the intent behind your posts and really just offered a half-ass'd a post saying "I didn't lie because this section doesn't count" even though there was quoted proof.
I mean, let's be honest... Drop the grudge and actually try to figure out who's the mafia (of course, this is difficult for a mafia member). I'm just pointing out my findings from observation, you're pointing me out for no other reason than you dislike it that I'm coming for you.
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On December 17 2012 07:46 thrawn2112 wrote:he also called you town during the middle of all that Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote: Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter. On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile. On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote MrZentor
Because I can. Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote: Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting. On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. On December 15 2012 11:06 DarthPunk wrote: EBWOP:
##Vote: Djodref On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? On December 15 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote: DP is scum btw.
##Vote DarthPunk Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. How is that a slip?
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On December 17 2012 07:52 thrawn2112 wrote: idk you tell me you probably know It was intended to be written like that.
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On December 17 2012 07:53 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 07:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 07:46 thrawn2112 wrote:he also called you town during the middle of all that On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote: Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter. On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile. On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote MrZentor
Because I can. Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote: Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting. On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. On December 15 2012 11:06 DarthPunk wrote: EBWOP:
##Vote: Djodref On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? On December 15 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote: DP is scum btw.
##Vote DarthPunk Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. How is that a slip? Nah. Die Scum. You pretty much make up my point on your own, I don't see why people even consider keeping you around.
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Let's do the math,
First you target 5-6 people without justification and just ask for people to jump on them
Second, you argue to keep votes on a certain person who was obviously a civilian
Said civilian is lynched, you run off saying it was the right decision because it's best to lynch someone than nobody
And now you're targeting me with really no grounds to go off of other than a simple grudge.
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On December 17 2012 08:03 thrawn2112 wrote: ewya that's all nonsense because you said he's town... are you accusing him of something right now? I can't exactly tell He's mafia, I'll be voting for him next day.
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On December 17 2012 08:05 thrawn2112 wrote: if he's mafia then how is he town I don't understand the question.
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On December 17 2012 08:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 08:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 08:03 thrawn2112 wrote: ewya that's all nonsense because you said he's town... are you accusing him of something right now? I can't exactly tell He's mafia, I'll be voting for him next day. That's cause he knows he will be alive tomorrow Die scum. Indeed, I can't be killed by mafia... They know that there is a great chance I'll be lynched next day, why would anyone go after me?
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On December 17 2012 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 08:07 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 08:05 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 08:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 08:03 thrawn2112 wrote: ewya that's all nonsense because you said he's town... are you accusing him of something right now? I can't exactly tell He's mafia, I'll be voting for him next day. That's cause he knows he will be alive tomorrow Die scum. Indeed, I can't be killed by mafia... They know that there is a great chance I'll be lynched next day, why would anyone go after me? So my case is legit then? Good to know. I am simply acknowledging that I will likely be lynched next day because you somehow have connections with the other members of this game which will prevent you from being eliminated at this stage.
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I don't really understand why you call what you guys see as a slip as such... It was intended to be written in that manner and it makes sense as such.
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I think the premise of most people's argument about me is that "I don't play like other people on TL".. Who cares... Mafia is Mafia, you don't need meta game or prior knowledge.
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On December 17 2012 10:16 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:14 Eywa- wrote: I think the premise of most people's argument about me is that "I don't play like other people on TL".. Who cares... Mafia is Mafia, you don't need meta game or prior knowledge. So you did play on other forums before ? Do you have some links to your games ? I've played about 20-30 games all with the same group of people offline, I've never survived till the end as village and I've never lost as Mafia.
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On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushShow nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote: ... You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. Show nested quote +There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Show nested quote +Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? Show nested quote +It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you. Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: ... Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most.
Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity.
It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble?
You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious.
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On December 17 2012 10:23 thrawn2112 wrote: eywa, all I want to hear from you is why it makes sense to call hapa town. all you keep saying is that it makes sense. also a scumread other than hapa would be good Can you quote the so called "slip" exactly..?
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On December 17 2012 10:42 kushm4sta wrote: Scumslip is kind of worrisome but it's not in any way definitive... I did the same thing earlier actually. I called you the strongest town. I don't understand how that's a slip either...
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On December 17 2012 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote: holy shit you know what im talking about I don't remember the exact quotation.
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On December 17 2012 10:50 DoYouHas wrote: @Eywa - If you were to manage to get Hapa lynched tomorrow, who would be your next lynch choice given what you know now? Why? Next after hapa would be Mr. Cheesecake because he's mafia.
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On December 17 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote: Hell Eywa, you can't keep your story on me straight.
First I'm a bandwagoner that follows votes around. Now I'm a shepard that leads lynches on people. Sorry, it's not inconsistency. You jumped onto people for no reason and you jump off of them when you think people might think it's you if you wouldn't...
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On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote: ... You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you. Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: ... Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. Show nested quote +It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?Show nested quote +You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie.
It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in.
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On December 17 2012 11:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote: ... You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you. Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: ... Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in. And somehow you magically knew the guy the town was lynching was a townie. Lol @ framing Hapa for pushing a lynch on a townie. You know who do that? Scummers. How could anyone not know it was a townie?
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On December 17 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:02 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote: ... You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you. Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: ... Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in. And somehow you magically knew the guy the town was lynching was a townie. Lol @ framing Hapa for pushing a lynch on a townie. You know who do that? Scummers. How could anyone not know it was a townie? Because we're fucking town and have no clue the alignment of anyone. If he was so obvious town he wouldn't have gotten lynched. I did warn everyone that he was a town.
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On December 17 2012 11:04 Hapahauli wrote: Apparently you know that I"m a townie, yet you're pushing me anyway Eywa.
Discuss. I don't really understand where this is coming from nor why you think it's valid.
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On December 17 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:06 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:04 Hapahauli wrote: Apparently you know that I"m a townie, yet you're pushing me anyway Eywa.
Discuss. I don't really understand where this is coming from nor why you think it's valid. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: ... Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
Translation: Hapa's townie, but you should lynch him anyway. Yeha, what is a better word to put in this sentence... Admittedly, I should have done "townie", but I mean, that's a detail.
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On December 17 2012 11:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:06 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 11:02 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote: ... You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you. Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: ... Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in. And somehow you magically knew the guy the town was lynching was a townie. Lol @ framing Hapa for pushing a lynch on a townie. You know who do that? Scummers. How could anyone not know it was a townie? Because we're fucking town and have no clue the alignment of anyone. If he was so obvious town he wouldn't have gotten lynched. I did warn everyone that he was a town. So you knew 100% he was town. Guess I know who's dying tomorrow. If it's left up to you it'll be an acolyte.
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On December 17 2012 11:08 DoYouHas wrote: @Eywa - What are your reasons for thinking MrCc is scum? I don't see them in your filter. I'm just always right, I'll write more about it later in the day.
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On December 17 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer Not really, the majority has yet to agree with you.
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On December 17 2012 11:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer Not really, the majority has yet to agree with you. And a single person has yet to agree with you... That's no problem, if they disagree with me, they lose. Typically this happens... I don't see why more faith wouldn't be put in the guy who was already proven right... I'm arguing with a couple of people who just lynched a civilian.
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On December 17 2012 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote: for a lot of the same reasons that eywa is scum, he cares more about this game than most people in here, and this just looks like town hapa This makes about as much sense as a fish in the desert.
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On December 17 2012 11:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:17 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 11:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer Not really, the majority has yet to agree with you. And a single person has yet to agree with you... That's no problem, if they disagree with me, they lose. Typically this happens... I don't see why more faith wouldn't be put in the guy who was already proven right... I'm arguing with a couple of people who just lynched a civilian. lol I'll remember this argument for my next scumgame ^^ This assumes you can figure out which players are civilians - which you can't.
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On December 17 2012 11:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:18 Hapahauli wrote: You could also elaborate on that scumread on Mr. Cheesecake of yours at your leisure. At your leisure Eywa I was asked who would be next if you were to go.
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On December 17 2012 11:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: How the fuck is "I'm voting Hapa because he votes a lot of people and that seems scummy. Want to find out exactly why? Go reread the thread and find it yourself" obvtown? It's more so town than "I'm voting Eywa- because he voted for me" - hapa.
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On December 17 2012 11:42 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:25 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:23 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 11:17 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 11:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer Not really, the majority has yet to agree with you. And a single person has yet to agree with you... That's no problem, if they disagree with me, they lose. Typically this happens... I don't see why more faith wouldn't be put in the guy who was already proven right... I'm arguing with a couple of people who just lynched a civilian. lol I'll remember this argument for my next scumgame ^^ This assumes you can figure out which players are civilians - which you can't. And this is something you, on the opposite, can do right now How did you know that Morbidius was a civilian before he was killed ? Because you are mafia and know who is townie and who is mafia of course ! Same for Hapa, you knew his alignement. Could you tell us who are your scumbuddies please ? Is that kush ? I already gave you 2 scumbags... Go ahead and kill them.
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On December 17 2012 11:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:33 kushm4sta wrote: so this is ewyas first forum gameright? and knowing that you actually still think he's scum? I looked at filter and he looks pretty obvtown to me.
djo is scum...more tomorrow. hapa or thrawn one of those is prob scum. one of the more quiet lurker people, one of those is probably scum.. I'm thinking dhs maybe jx. @ KushRight now, I have you as either eywa's scum buddy hard defending him, either you going totally pants on head. I'm leaning over the first solution right now. Please make your case against me so I can see how full of shit you are. Any scum would have to be out of their mind to side with me right now given how hot of a target I am... I don't see how it can help them... Kush is a civilian (but of course, you can lynch him too given that civilians seem to want to lose around here).
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On December 17 2012 11:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And somehow he knows Kush is town.... I'm sorry, a 5 year old could guess that one, if it's beyond your capacity, then I don't see why anyone would side with your vote.
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I love how a town was just removed and suddenly everyone who didn't vote for him is a mafia... How could there possibly be a majority of only civilians voting for the removal of an obvious civilian?
If this doesn't smell fishy to other civilians, then you all deserve to die once the mafia takes us out (because I'm next whether day or night).
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Hmmm... Since most people seem to think hapa and cheeseboard are town, why don't we meet in the middle and kill djodref.. Who, if you two are both innocent has a very high probability of being scum.
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On December 17 2012 22:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 22:24 Eywa- wrote: Hmmm... Since most people seem to think hapa and cheeseboard are town, why don't we meet in the middle and kill djodref.. Who, if you two are both innocent has a very high probability of being scum. Backing down all of a sudden are we? Putting it on the back burner... It'll come back if I'm still alive tomorrow or if enough people agree today (which seems unlikely).
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On December 17 2012 22:37 Hapahauli wrote:@JieXianWhere did you run off to? I asked you a question, and I expect responses for these things: @ EywaYou throwing around names without reasoning isn't doing town any good. Explain why you think Mr. CC and Djo are scum. You've given zero rationale for it. It's really quite simple, I don't have to... You and your scum throw 3 votes my way, I bite the bullet, you all find that you've killed yet another civilian (Oh big surprise - given that you know who the civilians are it is not)... People realise that you guys are actually likely candidates and the next three to go.
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I believe it's called Martyrdom. Enjoy!
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On December 17 2012 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Eywa,
Please, for God's sake if you're actually town, stop being an inconsiderate, blind, confirmation-biased asshole. If town, you're not playing to your win condition. You're just flailing your arms around like a complete buffoon.
Seriously. Make a decent case on Hapa or myself or Djo --- Convince people if you really don't want to be lynched today. If you're scum, keep doing what you're doing. The goal is not to not be lynched, the goal is to catch the scum. So I will be making a case on you guys, however, I'm not releasing it for at least another 24 hours.
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On December 18 2012 00:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm really interested in seeing these cases on me rofl. Lurked most of D1 cus irl, gave thrawn case, lynched scummy lurker because it's better than no-lynch, buddied Hapa because he's sexy and makes sense.
Gogogo make cases on me gogogo It seems like you just made a case against yourself... Short, but there's a lot of content you can read into there.
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On December 18 2012 00:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 00:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm really interested in seeing these cases on me rofl. Lurked most of D1 cus irl, gave thrawn case, lynched scummy lurker because it's better than no-lynch, buddied Hapa because he's sexy and makes sense.
Gogogo make cases on me gogogo It seems like you just made a case against yourself... Short, but there's a lot of content you can read into there. If that's the stuff in the case against me, lol. How many townies are actively trying to make alliances?
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On December 18 2012 00:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:28 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 00:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 00:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 00:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm really interested in seeing these cases on me rofl. Lurked most of D1 cus irl, gave thrawn case, lynched scummy lurker because it's better than no-lynch, buddied Hapa because he's sexy and makes sense.
Gogogo make cases on me gogogo It seems like you just made a case against yourself... Short, but there's a lot of content you can read into there. If that's the stuff in the case against me, lol. How many townies are actively trying to make alliances? Actively making alliances? Not so much, that's an exaggeration. I always buddy someone. Last game it was Kick, game before that it was SDM, game before that Debears to an extent. I buddy up with people I feel are townie and make sense. If you're entire case is based on me enjoying the company of sir Hapa, then you're terribly scum or terribly bad. Oh I haven't written up a case yet, I'm just pointing out that your description of your play doesn't make you seem any more innocent.
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I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right?
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On December 18 2012 01:52 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:On December 18 2012 01:19 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:04 Djodref wrote:On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote: @ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case I would vote Eywa for the whole case Hapa brought up against him. And, yes, the deciding point for me was the scumslip. Go read NMM XXVIII in my profile and see scum kush getting lynched D1 for a scumslip of this order. What scumslip are you talking about regarding morbidius ? I don't remember this. And your case is weak. I would go as far as saying that it's not even a case. What logic are you talking about ? think of a strong town player like dp, being careful about his decisions what about hapa? JUPM ON HIM JUMP ON HIM SCUMSLIIIIIIIIIIIP JUMP EVERYONEcomparing kush to someone who's able to raise money for a bw tournament and organise things is a huge insult to him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387231please. Why are you misinterpreting the events ? Hapa's case against Eywa has been the most extensive case in this game + Show Spoiler [Hapa's case] +On December 17 2012 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Eywa- Introduction:One of my weaknesses as a player is catching more active mafia players. I tend to read into activity as genuinity a little too much. When I unvoted Eywa- earlier, it was partially because of that. While he came into the thread, he all of a sudden was actively pushing a case (against myself), and he looked to me like a confirmation-bias spewing townie. However, when you really examine his play from yesterday, that's just simply not the case. If there's one player that was pushing mafia objectives yesterday, it was Eywa-. Table of Contents:1) Ewya's "Case" 2) Ewya "Addressing" My Defenses 3) Ewya "Pushing" His Case (or, why this is isn't simply him being stupid town) 4) Post-Lynch Anger ***This one is the most damning***
#1: Ewya's "Case" Against me First let's establish the context of Eywa's case. 1) He was absent for most of Day 1 2) When he arrived in the thread, he started bombing suspicion against a player who had no chance of getting lynched (myself). The second point is the most relevant. It's a very common mafia tactic to bomb a third party case to create chaos in the town. It's also very common for mafia to push a player who has no chance of getting lynched, as they can appear to be useful while not doing anything for the town. Now none of this makes him scum alone (yet), however, when you start to look at the content of his cases, it's very very lacking. Basically Eywa's entire point against me is that I've been "bandwagonning." The spoiler below is his compilation of posts on the subject: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote: Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask. On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote: Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote MrZentor
Because I can. Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote: Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. One way for mafia to avoid making analysis is to be obsessed with irrelevant topics. In this case, Eywa- is obssessed with the idea of bandwagonning. Even though bandwagonning has no relevance to one's allignment, he uses it as a talking point over and over again. But more importantly, he's somehow 100% convinced that I'm scum based on this talking point, which is nonsensical.
#2: Eywa- "Addressing" My Defense Initially thinking he was a confirmation-bais ladened townie, I took some time to address his accusations. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#760Here for example, I made a fairly long and well laid out post for why his accusations were wrong. His replies: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:20 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote: And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain? 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you. Eywa straight-up ignores me. He doesn't even read my defense. He doesn't attempt to analyze it. Instead, he keeps screaming "Hapa is scum" without any substance. A townie would atleast attempt to read my defense. Eywa doesn't - he keeps trying to push his suspicion while avoiding any attempts at analysis.
#3: Eywa "Pushing" His Case The problem is that Eywa doesn't push his case against me. He's more concerned about justifying his own vote on me rather than convincing others to vote for his top scumread. For example: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefOn December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote: i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn While you make a decent case against Thrawn, I still think that there is more of a case against hapahauli, thus I will not change my vote. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:06 Eywa- wrote: It is not my first time playing mafia, it is my first time playing TL Mafia. Previous character profiles are a nuisance to the town, they generally bring people to quick and unfortunate assumptions, if someone plays a certain way 10 times and are a townie every time, why wouldn't they play the same way once they got mafia?
It's common sense... Previous knowledge can be used for serious meta-games, stay away from it.
Otherwise, it suffices to say that: I am not going to jump on someone else's band wagon just because it's a popular choice. I will remain with my vote on hapahauli. I don't believe him to be a town. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:14 MrZentor wrote: Eywa isn't scum.
-.- He's randomly hopped onto about 5-6 people willy nilly just because it sounds like a good idea at the time, I'd get rid of him (as I've said from my first post, my mind hasn't changed and there is nothing that has been posted that seems more accusation worthy than how he's hopped around). Look at all the above posts. He's not trying to get me lynched. He's trying tell everyone "Hey! I have a reason to vote this guy!" The ONLY time he ever attempts to get other people to lynch me is the following:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Look at that weak-ass shit. "Please guys, sway your votes." This coming from the guy who is foaming at the mouth that I am scum.
#4: Eywa's Post-Lynch Anger Eywa made this post a couple of hours before the deadline... ... which struck me as really odd for it's pessimism. So what does town Eywa- do when he thinks townies are going to the gallows and he's convinced I'm scum? NOTHING! That's right! Nothing! While the town scrambles to put together a lynch at the last minute, this is what he does in the last 25 minutes: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:38 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:On December 16 2012 23:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 16 2012 23:55 JieXian wrote: eywa I know you are doing something great for BW but I'd like you to post more and play the game more since you're already in it I fully intend on posting ;; I was out yesterday, no chance to post or read. Also, I've already pretty much done everything I am going to do for BW, just a couple details left to sort out, but that definitely won't be consuming my time. Just got back to reading the thread. WTF. You edited your post?! Please read the rules. No editing of posts allowed. I didn't intend to, if it happened, I apologize. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote: Q: Which townie predicted this? A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member. HERP DERP ALL YOU GUYS SUCK I AM AWESOME 'CAUSE I PREDICTED THIS AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.
In conclusion, lynch Eywa- tomorrow. He's pushing mafia objectives, he has no case against me, he didn't push said case against me, and his post-lynch anger is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread. and I think it is spot on. The scumslip is just the icing on the cake here and it's true that people have mainly focused on this one. I didn't see Eywa addressing the big case against him so far. Show me why you thing this case is wrong. He should defend himself I don't like making assumptions on how his thought process works beacuse I can only imagine part of it. I'll just say that there wasn't anything wrong with post lynch anger because it was based on his READ on morb. hapa's complainig that he (hapa) was ignored doesn't say anything because he's been ignoring my questions since yesterday Show nested quote +He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this: Funny how hapa doesn't see how I was preventing the mislynch lol and was questioning me HAPA YOU made the "mislynch" address that hapa's been ignoring anything that makes sense for the town... Examples which come to mind are how he basically ignored all of the pleads which people had about morb being innocent and claimed "WE HAVE A MAJORITY, FINISH HIM!"...
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On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote: I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? I have no idea.
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On December 18 2012 01:53 JieXian wrote: and if hapa is really such a strong town player,
WHY DIDNT VIGI shoot him yet? I'm absolutely sure he won the witchcraft vote He didn't get my vote, but I agree with that.
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On December 18 2012 01:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:44 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:24 Djodref wrote: Why did Eywa not present a reasonable case against Hapa ? Your job as town is to convince other people that you are right.
I don't think that Eywa's behavior speaks for a town Eywa. So, the scumslip here is damning in my view.
I called him out on that too and asked him if it's his first game. He said that it was his first on tl mafia. I cannot know what was he thinking but it doesn't appear scummy to me at all, it appeared nooby since it was his first time. Scum would accuse people and latch on to anything they can find. He called him scum without any proper justification or quoting and sticked on to it. I don't see how is that scummy. I'm giving him the BOTD for now, thinking that he'll post something concrete soon. For now, I'm agreeing with him as long as he wants to lynch hapa and mrcc and based on the fact that he wanted to save morbid too. JX, you aren't giving him the "BOTD" - you're calling him "OBV TOWN" and that warrants much more of a justification than what you've been providing. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:52 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:On December 18 2012 01:19 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 01:04 Djodref wrote:On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote: @ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case I would vote Eywa for the whole case Hapa brought up against him. And, yes, the deciding point for me was the scumslip. Go read NMM XXVIII in my profile and see scum kush getting lynched D1 for a scumslip of this order. What scumslip are you talking about regarding morbidius ? I don't remember this. And your case is weak. I would go as far as saying that it's not even a case. What logic are you talking about ? think of a strong town player like dp, being careful about his decisions what about hapa? JUPM ON HIM JUMP ON HIM SCUMSLIIIIIIIIIIIP JUMP EVERYONEcomparing kush to someone who's able to raise money for a bw tournament and organise things is a huge insult to him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387231please. Why are you misinterpreting the events ? Hapa's case against Eywa has been the most extensive case in this game + Show Spoiler [Hapa's case] +On December 17 2012 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Eywa- Introduction:One of my weaknesses as a player is catching more active mafia players. I tend to read into activity as genuinity a little too much. When I unvoted Eywa- earlier, it was partially because of that. While he came into the thread, he all of a sudden was actively pushing a case (against myself), and he looked to me like a confirmation-bias spewing townie. However, when you really examine his play from yesterday, that's just simply not the case. If there's one player that was pushing mafia objectives yesterday, it was Eywa-. Table of Contents:1) Ewya's "Case" 2) Ewya "Addressing" My Defenses 3) Ewya "Pushing" His Case (or, why this is isn't simply him being stupid town) 4) Post-Lynch Anger ***This one is the most damning***
#1: Ewya's "Case" Against me First let's establish the context of Eywa's case. 1) He was absent for most of Day 1 2) When he arrived in the thread, he started bombing suspicion against a player who had no chance of getting lynched (myself). The second point is the most relevant. It's a very common mafia tactic to bomb a third party case to create chaos in the town. It's also very common for mafia to push a player who has no chance of getting lynched, as they can appear to be useful while not doing anything for the town. Now none of this makes him scum alone (yet), however, when you start to look at the content of his cases, it's very very lacking. Basically Eywa's entire point against me is that I've been "bandwagonning." The spoiler below is his compilation of posts on the subject: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote: Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask. On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote: Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote MrZentor
Because I can. Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote: Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote: Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can. I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote ##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. One way for mafia to avoid making analysis is to be obsessed with irrelevant topics. In this case, Eywa- is obssessed with the idea of bandwagonning. Even though bandwagonning has no relevance to one's allignment, he uses it as a talking point over and over again. But more importantly, he's somehow 100% convinced that I'm scum based on this talking point, which is nonsensical.
#2: Eywa- "Addressing" My Defense Initially thinking he was a confirmation-bais ladened townie, I took some time to address his accusations. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#760Here for example, I made a fairly long and well laid out post for why his accusations were wrong. His replies: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:20 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote: And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain? 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you. Eywa straight-up ignores me. He doesn't even read my defense. He doesn't attempt to analyze it. Instead, he keeps screaming "Hapa is scum" without any substance. A townie would atleast attempt to read my defense. Eywa doesn't - he keeps trying to push his suspicion while avoiding any attempts at analysis.
#3: Eywa "Pushing" His Case The problem is that Eywa doesn't push his case against me. He's more concerned about justifying his own vote on me rather than convincing others to vote for his top scumread. For example: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefOn December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote: i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn While you make a decent case against Thrawn, I still think that there is more of a case against hapahauli, thus I will not change my vote. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:06 Eywa- wrote: It is not my first time playing mafia, it is my first time playing TL Mafia. Previous character profiles are a nuisance to the town, they generally bring people to quick and unfortunate assumptions, if someone plays a certain way 10 times and are a townie every time, why wouldn't they play the same way once they got mafia?
It's common sense... Previous knowledge can be used for serious meta-games, stay away from it.
Otherwise, it suffices to say that: I am not going to jump on someone else's band wagon just because it's a popular choice. I will remain with my vote on hapahauli. I don't believe him to be a town. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:14 MrZentor wrote: Eywa isn't scum.
-.- He's randomly hopped onto about 5-6 people willy nilly just because it sounds like a good idea at the time, I'd get rid of him (as I've said from my first post, my mind hasn't changed and there is nothing that has been posted that seems more accusation worthy than how he's hopped around). Look at all the above posts. He's not trying to get me lynched. He's trying tell everyone "Hey! I have a reason to vote this guy!" The ONLY time he ever attempts to get other people to lynch me is the following:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Look at that weak-ass shit. "Please guys, sway your votes." This coming from the guy who is foaming at the mouth that I am scum.
#4: Eywa's Post-Lynch Anger Eywa made this post a couple of hours before the deadline... ... which struck me as really odd for it's pessimism. So what does town Eywa- do when he thinks townies are going to the gallows and he's convinced I'm scum? NOTHING! That's right! Nothing! While the town scrambles to put together a lynch at the last minute, this is what he does in the last 25 minutes: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:38 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:On December 16 2012 23:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 16 2012 23:55 JieXian wrote: eywa I know you are doing something great for BW but I'd like you to post more and play the game more since you're already in it I fully intend on posting ;; I was out yesterday, no chance to post or read. Also, I've already pretty much done everything I am going to do for BW, just a couple details left to sort out, but that definitely won't be consuming my time. Just got back to reading the thread. WTF. You edited your post?! Please read the rules. No editing of posts allowed. I didn't intend to, if it happened, I apologize. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote: Q: Which townie predicted this? A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member. HERP DERP ALL YOU GUYS SUCK I AM AWESOME 'CAUSE I PREDICTED THIS AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.
In conclusion, lynch Eywa- tomorrow. He's pushing mafia objectives, he has no case against me, he didn't push said case against me, and his post-lynch anger is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread. and I think it is spot on. The scumslip is just the icing on the cake here and it's true that people have mainly focused on this one. I didn't see Eywa addressing the big case against him so far. Show me why you thing this case is wrong. He should defend himself I don't like making assumptions on how his thought process works beacuse I can only imagine part of it. I'll just say that there wasn't anything wrong with post lynch anger because it was based on his READ on morb. hapa's complainig that he (hapa) was ignored doesn't say anything because he's been ignoring my questions since yesterday He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this: Funny how hapa doesn't see how I was preventing the mislynch lol and was questioning me HAPA YOU made the "mislynch" address that You weren't preventing the mislynch. You never explained your town read on morbidius, you just kept saying it was a bad idea without any substance. Then WELP I'M TOWN SINCE I WAS RIGHT. And yes I was a part in the mislynch. Big deal - I thought he was scum and he didn't flip scum. Just because I wasn't right doesn't mean I wasn't scum. After all, 8 people voted Morbidius, and atleast 5 (probably 7-8) are town. Scumslip, gg.
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On December 18 2012 01:59 Hapahauli wrote: Sigh. Yes the person with the 9 page filter that led discussion all through D1 is scum. You're saying that quantity has something to do with alignment? absolutely not.
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Okay, so what I have to say about the situation right now is, the people I voted to blue are all townies and I'll vote to blue the same people every day until they're killed (which they haven't been yet).
Second, I just love how ALL talk about scumslips have been avoided ever since hapa jumped out and accidentally said he was scum... Sorry, not excusable as a "typo". Try being less stressed about getting exposed.
Please, discuss why hapa gets a free pass over his scumslip? If anything he should be nuked harder because he's an experienced player and for him to actually crack would be tough because he knows just how bad it is when you do... Yet he struggled so much with his emotions that he couldn't keep it together for his post... I really don't see how that is NOT a slip.
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On December 18 2012 04:10 MrZentor wrote: It's unlikely that he's town.
It's unlikely, even if he's town, that scum has another bullet.
Also, waiting two hours won't stop him from getting shot if he's blue. If the witch hunter has bullets, it can shoot at any time.
Assume hapa is the mafia, he wants me dead because I am picking out his members like red elephants in an open field.
Assume hapa is a village, the mafia knows he's good at targeting villagers: So why would they kill him? Now that I've seen him play, I have to say, while he has a strong personality, he is no where near the strongest player.
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On December 18 2012 05:03 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 04:10 MrZentor wrote: It's unlikely that he's town.
It's unlikely, even if he's town, that scum has another bullet.
Also, waiting two hours won't stop him from getting shot if he's blue. If the witch hunter has bullets, it can shoot at any time.
Assume hapa is the mafia, he wants me dead because I am picking out his members like red elephants in an open field. Assume hapa is a village, the mafia knows he's good at targeting villagers: So why would they kill him? Now that I've seen him play, I have to say, while he has a strong personality, he is no where near the strongest player. EDIT: All I mean to say by this post is hapa is not going to die for some time unless we lynch him... He's detrimental to the town in the meanwhile.
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On December 18 2012 05:38 drazak wrote: Like... not to wifom too much, but if ewya flips town I think we kill hapa if he's not dead yet. Too late, by the end of tonight it's 6-3, if you guys lynch me, it becomes 4-3... next to impossible.
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On December 18 2012 05:34 thrawn2112 wrote: right now i'm thinking lynch into eywa jiexan zentor. it seems too obvious though so i'm still considering other stuff. but definitely lynch eywa first. i'm about 95 % sure he's scum and his flip is also the most important at this point. I'll release a detailed post about why people should be lynched likely in the last few hours before the next night (assuming I live through this one).
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On December 18 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote: Scum better kill me so I don't have to live through the mental retardation that is this game. It would help if you posted something more than die scum die.
On another note, you seem like mafia to me... So we won't agree, but... I'd like to offer you a chance... We work together and both vote for my next highest priority target rather than have a 50/50 split vote between hapa and eywa with myself being majority due to 3 scum votes coming down on me.
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On December 18 2012 05:47 Hapahauli wrote: I'm actually rather down for lynching JieXian over you Eywa. How about we got Cheeseboard 1st - > JieXian 2nd?
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Thrawn believes there is enough evidence to convict Cheesecake
On December 17 2012 05:55 thrawn2112 wrote: i dont even know how this morbidus lynch happened
On December 17 2012 05:56 thrawn2112 wrote: i think cc is scum
On December 17 2012 05:56 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote ##vote Mr Cheesecake
Mr.Cheesecake votes for Morbid because it's the popular vote, he doesn't think morbid is guilty
On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefOn December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! But I still really really like a JX lynch! Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn
On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote: i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: we really need a vote count... We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch. Who are teh viable lynches at this point? Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why.
On December 17 2012 04:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: lol @ thrawn
On December 17 2012 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Fuck it, may as well...
##Unvote ##Vote Morbidius
On December 17 2012 05:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Well we have to pick somebody. what do
On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote: i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: we really need a vote count... We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch. Who are teh viable lynches at this point? Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so.
On December 17 2012 05:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Seriously, I could just keep my vote on Thrawn and let town do what it will, or I could actually make a difference in the lynch.
There's no point in having my vote on Thrawn atm if nobody else is going to bandwagon onto it.
On December 17 2012 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Lol'd @ Thrawn.
I'm so positive I know who it is, but I'll vote for whoever because it'll get a majority... I don't really care who dies... Right?
Mr.Cheesecake continues to side with the lynch despite his earlier sentiment that it was the incorrect lynch
On December 17 2012 06:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Lol @ Eywa trying to take town cred for this. We lynched a townie. Big deal.
Why the fuck would I switch my vote when there was zero chance anyone else would? All this would do is secure a no lynch.
Why the fuck would I vote for a mafia member if I won't get a majority? Dayum, I'm glad you're here to be part of the town... Or are you?
Mr.Cheesecake admits to knowing Thrawn is town with no indication that he ever thought otherwise - yet he was gunning for thrawn earlier
On December 18 2012 01:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: But let's think about it if I'm scum. I could push Thrawn, who I know is town, to the very end. We lynch morb anyway. I'm in the clear and can flame about how everyone is an idiot for lynching him.
Town motiv for sheeping onto Morb: He might be scum, i don't want to no-lynch. Keeping my vote on thrawn = useless.
Mafia motiv for sheeping onto morb: None, Morb had a decent chance of getting lynched regardless. My vote would literally only be bad for myself.
Okay... I know he's innocent, but I pushed for him up till a second ago? Nice play.
Cheeseboard wants to lynch people for the sake of lynching them regardless of alignment
On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote: i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: we really need a vote count... We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch. Who are teh viable lynches at this point? Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody. I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do.
Let's just lynch him because we can! Who gives a flying #$%@ if he's town or not...
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Let us guess at who got killed last night shall we?
My Shortlist:
MrZentor Kush Drazak Hapahauli (under two conditions - If I'm wrong about him being mafia -- overall thought put in by the mafia)
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On December 18 2012 06:40 MrZentor wrote: Kush All depends on who mafia is, but if Kush is dead, hapa is mafia.
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On December 18 2012 06:43 MrZentor wrote: The suspense is killing me. I think it'll be you. :-/
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On December 18 2012 06:45 MrZentor wrote: I didn't think I was going to die, but now I'm worried. :/ Quite simply, I think it's going to be you because it would be a poorly thought out plan for the mafia to target you because it makes it blatantly obvious who's running the show... However, it could also be a genius kill because it doesn't seem like this crew is catching onto much.
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On December 18 2012 06:48 MrZentor wrote: That's the spirit! So... Shall we take a drink at Earl's Tavern before one of us are assassinated (probably when you leave the saloon to go to the wash room). At least whoever dies would end on a nice cold beer.
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On December 18 2012 06:52 MrZentor wrote: That sounds good, but I'm afraid the beer might be poisoned, so we shouldn't actually drink it, just pretend to. That's some pretty good thinking... Luckily I have enough reserve to make it till morning without eating or drinking.
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On December 18 2012 07:01 Hapahauli wrote: Why the jack shit am I not dead. Because they think you're going to get me killed or I you.
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On December 18 2012 07:04 kushm4sta wrote: @hapa it makes perfect sense to me why you are not dead. Why are you pretending it's a surprise? Scum almost never kill the most obv nk because they think he might be protected. Thrawn's kill was brilliant, gives away basically nothing. would be like kill drazak
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On December 18 2012 07:05 kushm4sta wrote:This might be the scummiest thing you have said so far this game. Given that no one expected him to die, I would agree. Otherwise, I think we should side with him for now and take out mr.cheesbread.
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On December 18 2012 07:06 Hapahauli wrote: Oh speak of the devil.
Anyway, ##Vote JieXian Your last two posts have no synergy. Sorry
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On December 18 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:04 kushm4sta wrote: @hapa it makes perfect sense to me why you are not dead. Why are you pretending it's a surprise? Scum almost never kill the most obv nk because they think he might be protected. Cause I'm really pissed off I have to spend 72 hours talking to some of these idiots. That's irrelevant as to why it would be a surprise to you. Answer the question. He's already had one scum slip, he's not good under pressure.
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On December 18 2012 07:09 Hapahauli wrote: Synergy. That's cute. I can modify that to the last 2 don't make much sense with your comment about intellect.
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Now, hapahauli, let's change your vote for cheesepie before you get yourself killed.
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On December 18 2012 07:11 MrZentor wrote: Hapa, answer the question.
Now. ##Vote Hapahauli Don't split bro, we need to focus one.
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On December 18 2012 07:12 Hapahauli wrote: I'll stick with the most anti-town player in the game thank-you. I'd vote you, but the more I hear you speak, the more I think you're just an idiot townie. That's funny because the more I speak, the more people find your replies to be that of a mafia scum.
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On December 18 2012 07:13 Hapahauli wrote: The more I hear you speak, the more I want to bash my head open with a brick. It might knock some sense into you as to change your vote toward cheesebreak.
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On December 18 2012 07:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:04 kushm4sta wrote: @hapa it makes perfect sense to me why you are not dead. Why are you pretending it's a surprise? Scum almost never kill the most obv nk because they think he might be protected. Cause I'm really pissed off I have to spend 72 hours talking to some of these idiots. That's irrelevant as to why it would be a surprise to you. Answer the question. It is relevant. I'm not surprised. I'm pretty fucking pissed that I have to deal with idiots like you. It's more time and sanity than its worth. Coming from the person who lynched a townie without showing the slightest caring for it.
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On December 18 2012 07:17 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:14 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:04 kushm4sta wrote: @hapa it makes perfect sense to me why you are not dead. Why are you pretending it's a surprise? Scum almost never kill the most obv nk because they think he might be protected. Cause I'm really pissed off I have to spend 72 hours talking to some of these idiots. That's irrelevant as to why it would be a surprise to you. Answer the question. It is relevant. I'm not surprised. I'm pretty fucking pissed that I have to deal with idiots like you. It's more time and sanity than its worth. Do understand that when you answer with "Cause I'm really pissed off I have to spend 72 hours talking to some of these idiots.", that means you're surprised because "I'm really pissed off I have to spend 72 hours talking to some of these idiots." Try to say what you mean next time. Eh? I think we broke him.
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Regardless, Hapahauli's cling to vote off a civilian despite his total "lack of caring" for the game suggests that it's all an act and that he is in fact scum, if he were civilian, he'd swing his vote to mr.cheesebreath.
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On December 18 2012 07:21 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not convinced on Mr Cheese. I want to see JieXian dead first and foremost. Your cling to defend him suggests one thing, we have to kill him... and then you... or you and then him... Either way, rage on sir!
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I'll settle for mr.cheesedrake -> jiexian vote, but not the other way around.
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Of course my above post assumes that I am alive to cast the second vote at next day.
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On December 18 2012 07:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:21 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not convinced on Mr Cheese. I want to see JieXian dead first and foremost. Your cling to defend him suggests one thing, we have to kill him... and then you... or you and then him... Either way, rage on sir! I've posted why JieXian is scum. Several times. In my filter. JieXian wasn't voting for people he thought was scum. He voted the top scumread of his top scumread (thrawn, instead of voting CC). When I called him out for it, he flipped a shit and omgus'd me. He's scum dawg. Let's not forget your scum slip...
Your uncontrollable rage...
Your obsessions which are generally wrong.
You've never guessed anything right in this game, let the big boys call the shots now and wait for your turn to be executed. I'm not against voting off Jie Xian, but I want to kill Cheesecake first because he's actually mafia.
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On December 18 2012 07:24 DoYouHas wrote: Now Eywa and MrZ are trying to drown out a frustrated hapa.
Hapa, read my case on MrZ and let's lynch him. I can't support you on a JX lynch. Hapa is scum, not sure why you'd ever side with him. Proven on many occasions where he slips up and lies then throws out half assed excuses.
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Here is my voting list:
Given that Cheesecurd is 100% scum and we need a scum gone, he's dead now.
Given that Hapahauli wants to have a shot at proving innocence before he is bi-headed, next goes jie xian
If Jie is guilty, we kill Kush, if Jie is not guilty, we kill hapahauli
1) Cheesedip 2) Jie Xian 3) hapahauli
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Hapa, I'm throwing you a bone to prove your innocence, take it or die.
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On December 18 2012 07:31 MrZentor wrote: We still have a lot of lurkers... JieXian Drazak Mr. Cheesecake Djodref
Mr.Cheesecake is guilty, end of story.
Now, I'm not convinced on Hapa, if he's willing to prove out innocence by what I posted, then I'd gladly take him back onto my side of town, if not, I'm voting hapa today.
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On December 18 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote: DYH, your case is bad.
Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.
And your whole case is based on that not being true.
Wrong, your case is based on that assumption being true, mine is not. My case is based on you pushing a strategy that would reveal whether hapa is blue or not when he is still potentially in danger of being silver shot. My case is based on acknowledging that you don't know exactly how scum are operating, which you clearly don't, because you want to lynch hapa. I'm giving hapa a chance to prove not-guilty, I know for sure that cheesesteak is a mafia member.
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On December 18 2012 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:31 Eywa- wrote: Hapa, I'm throwing you a bone to prove your innocence, take it or die. No, it's you're turn to die. You're not town. You're not playing to town objectives, and you've spent all of the last two days flinging random shit at players rather than looking for scum. I will make sure you hang. I've only pointed at you and Cheesecake since the start as primary suspects, how is that flinging shit at "players"? I guess technically there are more than 1 of you.
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Did anyone notice that Hapahauli is alternating between friendly/angry/emo/angry... I'm pretty sure that he has no idea what to go with and he's alternating his strategy at every turn... Seems like a fish out of water to me.
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On December 18 2012 07:36 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:31 Eywa- wrote: Hapa, I'm throwing you a bone to prove your innocence, take it or die. No, it's you're turn to die. You're not town. You're not playing to town objectives, and you've spent all of the last two days flinging random shit at players rather than looking for scum. I will make sure you hang. I've only pointed at you and Cheesecake since the start as primary suspects, how is that flinging shit at "players"? I guess technically there are more than 1 of you. So what's the case on me? That I'm not voting a player that you think is mafia? That I'm not voting a player that you are lynching for the shits of it? Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 06:08 Eywa- wrote: ... Let's just lynch him because we can! Who gives a flying #$%@ if he's town or not... Get ready to die. I'm sorry, pretty much the whole town is sold on you being mafia, the only thing standing in the way is myself, which presumably they will have another shot even if I die (assuming witch doesn't hit) - Meaning you die next unless you ally. It's basic stay alive instinct.
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On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote: DYH, your case is bad.
Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP.
And your whole case is based on that not being true.
Wrong, your case is based on that assumption being true, mine is not. My case is based on you pushing a strategy that would reveal whether hapa is blue or not when he is still potentially in danger of being silver shot. My case is based on acknowledging that you don't know exactly how scum are operating, which you clearly don't, because you want to lynch hapa. If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter. Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him. And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy. So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it. Well fact is, we've seen a single personality from everyone but hapa, I don't know how much more conclusive you need to get... He's totally lost his cool on so many occasions when pressured... What does he have to hide?
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On December 18 2012 07:39 DoYouHas wrote: If MrZ was town he would have to at least acknowledge that his assumptions might be wrong. And if that possibility exists, then his actions only have a scum mindset. Any town making his assumptions could just as easily test them when hapa was out of danger. They would be no less convincing, even if we will be missing 2 more votes now.
MrZ was rolefishing, plain and simple. I'm assuming that I may be wrong about hapa, yet you don't feel that gives me any more of a case than MrZ has when he is absolute... I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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On December 18 2012 07:40 Hapahauli wrote: Now I know why thrawn was shot. A guy who thinks I'm town gets shot and Eywa flings shit at me. Ah it all makes sense now. I am uncertain about you being mafia, but you are refusing to meet me in the middle in which case I have no choice but to think you're mafia.
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On December 18 2012 07:41 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:39 DoYouHas wrote: If MrZ was town he would have to at least acknowledge that his assumptions might be wrong. And if that possibility exists, then his actions only have a scum mindset. Any town making his assumptions could just as easily test them when hapa was out of danger. They would be no less convincing, even if we will be missing 2 more votes now.
MrZ was rolefishing, plain and simple. The probability of scum having a bullet and Hapa being blue was minuscule. And I'm impatient. Damn, you must be scum... Can't believe we hung out at the tavern ._.
On a more serious note, change your vote to cheeseplatter.
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I mean, everyone is acting as though I'm playing on an entirely selfish bases, you couldn't be more wrong. Hapa is attacking me despite my willingness to accept the possibility he may be innocent. I have yet to vote for hapa this round.
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On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote: I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. You didn't read my post about cheeserake.
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On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote: I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- I wouldn't expect you to... As you can see, that is not the basis for my character.
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On December 18 2012 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:The one case he's posted is against Mr. CC, with which he qualified with this statement: Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 06:08 Eywa- wrote: ... Let's just lynch him because we can! Who gives a flying #$%@ if he's town or not... The other time he posted a case (against me), he called me town. It's easy to post and fling shit around and call everyone scum without substance. It's exactly what he's doing right now, and he's going to die for it. Actually that statement was referencing the last quotation which was part of that post.
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On December 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote: I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. You didn't read my post about cheeserake. When you end a case with this, I don't have to read it: Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 06:08 Eywa- wrote: ... Let's just lynch him because we can! Who gives a flying #$%@ if he's town or not... If you had read it, you'd see that the format was
Reason he's scum
Evidence
Joke at his expense relating to the evidence
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I'm just curious as to why hapahauli is vouching so hard for cheeseflake when no one else has ever vouched this hard for another person.
Furthermore, I fail to see why we would listen to him given that hapahauli is the only one to change his character profile 4 times (next highest being 0) and he has a scumslip to his name claiming that he is scum...
What more is needed?
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On December 18 2012 07:50 Hapahauli wrote: Oh you're totes right on that. That's mah bad on the misreading.
Still, him wanting to get someone lynched does not make him scum. A no-lynch is worse than lynching a townie. That is not my opinion: that is fact. A no-lynch deprives town of valuable information. Lynching someone that has a chance to flip scum is always the better play. Your argument is silly, no-lynch means 1 dead, lynch means 2 dead... How is faster depleting the town in any way good? You claim to be good at this game, but are incapable of comprehending the most basic scenarios.
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On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote:
Kush
What a scummer !
My case here boils down to the following main points. Let's have a look at Kush's behavior in this game. - Kush is shying away from discussion when it starts to look bad for him
- Kush is defending Eywa
- Kush is acting dumb on purpose
Part I --- Flying away !
Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote: "in not retarded I'm town" -djo
does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts. Actually kush, talk to me about that a bit. What about it would you see as scummy? Did Kush ever answered this question ? Not at all... Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:49 Djodref wrote:@ KushIf you are around, I want you to address my case. I'm really interested in your stance on me right now Did he address my case + Show Spoiler [My case against Kush] +On December 16 2012 13:32 Djodref wrote:
Kushm4sta
Kush <3
Kush is notoriously hard to read and an easy mislynch, but they are some things that concerns me in his posts so far. The first thing, of course, is that he is going after me in a very nit-picky way. He is attacking me for one post that he takes totally out of context. That could totally be a scum kush scanning filters to look for something scummy. Let's take a look.
Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote: "in not retarded I'm town" -djo
does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts. Totally taken out of the context here. At least he quotes the whole sentence in the next post, but still failed to note that I was answering to Hapa and DP at that time. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:23 kushm4sta wrote:*snip* My biggest scumread so far is djodref. I'm not going to make a big case because it's mostly a feel read at this point honestly. On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't what's really going on in this post is he is making it clear that the reason he brought up the witchcraft votes in the first place was because he thought it was something town would do, and he brought it up not because he cared but because he thought it would make him look town. The other part of my suspicion is how he reacted under pressure. in the last game I played with him he was town. There was a similar early bandwagon and he seemed like he didn't really give a shit. This game he responded to the bandwagon very attentively. Making lists and responding to everyone. His vote on hapa looked like a panic vote.*snip* I brought it up because it was clear for me at that time that Hapa and DP didn't read the part about the witchcraft votes in the OP. I've explained it already when he posted this. So he totally discards the context of this post one more time. For the pressure thing, it's kind of true, but I have been mislynched in the NMM XIX game for not giving a shit about people going after me for bad reasons. So, yeah, I care more about my defense now. I don't understand were he comes from when saying that my vote on Hapa is a panic vote. That's just bs.
The other thing is that Kush has shown an anti-town mentality. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:27 kushm4sta wrote: town for the millionth time in a row. my rules this game:
1. I will never vote thrawn no matter how scummy he looks. I've been certain and wrong too many times. and I have to live with th regret every day of my life. *snip* 3. I am going to advocate the systematic extermination of lurkers. Yup I want to lynch unreadables over scmreads. And lurking makes you unreadable and immune to all efforts at scumhunting. Fuck fake pressuring active people.by pretending we might vote them. IF there is a lurker I will push his lynch.
Never voting someone, no matter how scummy he looks... Lynching lurkers over scumreads... That's anti-town, but kush is also quite non-sensical, so I'm not sure what to do with that. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 05:48 kushm4sta wrote: Yup that's my rule for this game. kill lurkers before scumreads At least he is consistent with his rule. Oh wait ! he is being called for it and then... Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote: *snip*
So when you look at it, the lurker issue really isn't that bad this game. So thrawn, when you say lurkers are making this game "unplayable" that is kinda bs.
WTF ! This lurker issue is very concerning this game. I don't understand how he could not stick to his rule now !
So, all in all, I'm leaning scum on Kush, but it's a weak read because he is could have done these posts as town as well. ? I don't think so... Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:44 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 11:33 kushm4sta wrote: so this is ewyas first forum gameright? and knowing that you actually still think he's scum? I looked at filter and he looks pretty obvtown to me.
djo is scum...more tomorrow. hapa or thrawn one of those is prob scum. one of the more quiet lurker people, one of those is probably scum.. I'm thinking dhs maybe jx. @ KushRight now, I have you as either eywa's scum buddy hard defending him, either you going totally pants on head. I'm leaning over the first solution right now. Please make your case against me so I can see how full of shit you are. Did he ever make a case against me while stating many times that I was his scumread ? No... And Kush is now officially announcing that he is taking his holidays in the scumQT now that he is totally caught in the same bed with Eywa. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 19:24 kushm4sta wrote: who would use masonry that sounds like total shit compared to the others... guess what. all activity I promised tomorrow is hereby postponed until Tuesday. Sorry. Part II --- Defending Eywa
This part works regardless of Eywa alignment, but of course it is going to be even better if Eywa flips scum. How could Kush hard defend Eywa so strongly ? What did Eywa do to convince him that he is town ? I don't know, and kush didn't ever say why he thinks that Eywa is town (the newbie excuse doesn't count in my view). Moreover, kush has already been caught scumslipping like Eywa did in the NMM XXIII game. That was almost exactly the same circumstances. How could have he forgotten it ? He is being a total hypocrite in taking Eywa's defense. I think he is trying to defend a scumbuddy (scum kush is rather obvious) or trying to get town cred by defending a townie in the improbable case where Eywa flips town. Please also notice how he is dismissing Hapa's case to concentrate on the scumslip only. On another note, it's not like his scum read was attacking Eywa with a biased case. Hapa, the "strongest town", in his own words (scumslipping much ?), is pushing a good case against Eywa. How could he be so certain that Eywa is town ? The answer is simple: town kush wouldn't, it's just that we have here scum kush. Scum kush defending scum Eywa, most probably. And I think Kush was also scumslipping here. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:51 kushm4sta wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. That is a scumhunting strategy. He is pressuring people. For that reason you want to lynch the strongest town in this game? There was not a single mention of a possible town Hapa before this post. The previous mention of Hapa in kush's filter is here. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:23 kushm4sta wrote: *snip* Hapa... I am concerned with this guy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he has a really good feel for dps meta and has caught scum dp many times. But I found his case on dp really underwhelming and reaching. And then he drops the tunnel because of something he read irc...really? *snip* Part III --- Dumb on purpose
I don't want to comment these posts in details. Just make yourself your own opinion about it. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 14:32 kushm4sta wrote:Exhibit A: Ewya's alleged scumslip I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
Exhibit B: In which Ewya says im town On December 17 2012 11:46 Eywa- wrote: Any scum would have to be out of their mind to side with me right now given how hot of a target I am... I don't see how it can help them... Kush is a civilian (but of course, you can lynch him too given that civilians seem to want to lose around here). This is just one of many examples of his use of the word citizen. Ewya says CITIZEN when he means town and TOWNIE when he means player.Remember this is his first forum mafia game. The only experience he has had is IRL mafia. So untrue... Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:55 kushm4sta wrote: @djodref have you ever made a mega case as town? Why did you feel to make THREE mega cases at this stage in the game? Because I'm town you dumbass... Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote: *snip* 2 of the lurkers look like they are just gonna get straight up replaced - Eywa Mr cheesecake so we probably dont have to worry about them.
Morbidus looks like he's starting to participate more now. JieXian has put pressure on Mr Zentor, who actually has virtually no content
Threesr might be replaced he is doing so little. If he's not replaced I'm gonna be worried. Mr. Zentor is the scariest lurker for me right now.
So when you look at it, the lurker issue really isn't that bad this game. So thrawn, when you say lurkers are making this game "unplayable" that is kinda bs.
Lurker issue really isn't that bad this game ? For real ? Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 05:48 kushm4sta wrote: Yup that's my rule for this game. kill lurkers before scumreads Ah, nevermind... Conclusion Kush is most certainly scumI still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush. GG guys, Y u no concede ? So, you don't like Kush and Kush doesn't like you... blah blah blah.
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On December 18 2012 07:52 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:50 Eywa- wrote: I'm just curious as to why hapahauli is vouching so hard for cheeseflake when no one else has ever vouched this hard for another person.
Furthermore, I fail to see why we would listen to him given that hapahauli is the only one to change his character profile 4 times (next highest being 0) and he has a scumslip to his name claiming that he is scum...
What more is needed? I'm not vouching for him. I'm stating that I don't have enough evidence to think he's scum. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:48 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote: I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. I don't care whether somebody is pro town or not. I care whether they're town or scum. And Eywa is town. I need to calm down. I'll be back in a bit. yet you have more evidence for Jie Xian? lol... you're obviously scum.
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On December 18 2012 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:50 Eywa- wrote: I'm just curious as to why hapahauli is vouching so hard for cheeseflake when no one else has ever vouched this hard for another person.
Furthermore, I fail to see why we would listen to him given that hapahauli is the only one to change his character profile 4 times (next highest being 0) and he has a scumslip to his name claiming that he is scum...
What more is needed? I'm not vouching for him. I'm stating that I don't have enough evidence to think he's scum. On December 18 2012 07:48 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote: I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. I don't care whether somebody is pro town or not. I care whether they're town or scum. And Eywa is town. I need to calm down. I'll be back in a bit. yet you have more evidence for Jie Xian? lol... you're obviously scum. Yes you piece of shit. I have plenty of evidence for JieXian if you ever bothered to read you dumbfuck. + Show Spoiler [hapa] +
hapascama
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On December 18 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: This is part of the reason I don't want to lynch Mr. CC. JieXian pushes CC in a horrendously scummy way. Think's he's scum, then places his vote on thrawn (flipped town) to "dare" Mr. CC to vote him? Yeah ok. actually that's false as proven by my post about him, he clearly voted for someone he didn't think was scum last time since no one would vote for his suspect.
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On December 18 2012 08:06 MrZentor wrote: Yet again, people are voting based on whether somebody is pro town or not.
Whether somebody is actually scum seems totally irrelevant when deciding who to kill. It's the nature of the game, people will lynch those who actually guess right because they don't conform (scum do it because they'd be dead otherwise).
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On December 18 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote: And I'm not sure why you think he's town. He's just being confrontational. He's not providing analysis, he's not doing much of anything. He's just mudslinging. It's very easy for mafia to sit and spam "OMG HE"S SCUM SCUM SCUM." That's exactly what Eywa is doing. How many people has he called scum in the past 10 minutes? 5... 6...? 1, only mister cheesecake.
Your constant trying to defend him without being able to counter any argument I brought about him simply means you're not thinking analytically or are scum, which is a problem. Either option is still open... I've stuck on two people all game because I sincerely think they're scum... Now stop lying about me to make a case.
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On December 18 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: This is part of the reason I don't want to lynch Mr. CC. JieXian pushes CC in a horrendously scummy way. Think's he's scum, then places his vote on thrawn (flipped town) to "dare" Mr. CC to vote him? Yeah ok. actually that's false as proven by my post about him, he clearly voted for someone he didn't think was scum last time since no one would vote for his suspect. Last post on JieXian or on CC? On CC, I don't think Jie Xian is scum... He's saved too many townspeople or attempted to.
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On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote: ##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case. Town atmosphere = shit constructive discussion = 0 On the contrary, all evidence I've presented has been ignored with false claims being made that I had presented none... Given that you should be voting for yourself (since you ignored both cases I made).
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On December 18 2012 08:18 Hapahauli wrote: I'm going to assume your post on JieXian. The problem is that you're holding some non-sensical and arbitrary double-standard, where JieXian is allowed to vote for whoever he wants because his top scumread is "never getting lynched", but CC on the other hand is scum for voting Morbidius when his own top scumread (thrawn) has no chance of getting lynched. Wrong, You think that CC actually thought Morb was guilty, on the contrary, he publicly stated otherwise.
Also wrong thinking I have a double standard, I don't mind killing jie xian given that there is a potential of him being scum, but I won't do so until I check my hypothesis about cheesegrater.
All of your claims about me are proven false, yet you still make them... I don't understand where your logic spurs from.
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On December 18 2012 08:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 08:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: This is part of the reason I don't want to lynch Mr. CC. JieXian pushes CC in a horrendously scummy way. Think's he's scum, then places his vote on thrawn (flipped town) to "dare" Mr. CC to vote him? Yeah ok. actually that's false as proven by my post about him, he clearly voted for someone he didn't think was scum last time since no one would vote for his suspect. Last post on JieXian or on CC? On CC, I don't think Jie Xian is scum... He's saved too many townspeople or attempted to. A half-assed attempt to save a townie is not grounds to believe someone is town. It's really easy (and common) for mafia to defend townies they know will hang. They know townies allignment - it's a riskless play for mafia since they know they'll be right. It's more so reason to believe someone is town than a religious hold on proving that there isn't enough evidence to kill your friend while the same evidence is presented about someone else who becomes "obvious mafia"... How do you think this is a good play? It may fly, but that's only because the town has lost sense of the objective of the game.
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On December 18 2012 08:21 Hapahauli wrote: You believe in some magical mafia world where townies are always right about things, and mafia are always pushing the wrong things. This is completely false. Perhaps amongst your friends this has some merit, but on TL this is simply not true.
Townies are often wrong. Townies don't know allignments. They push emotional mislynches, are easily maniuplated... etc. Scum on the other hand know exactly who's town and who's not. It's really fucking easy for them to defend a townie and claim town cred for it when the townie flips. It happens all the time. You're the one pushing for emotional mislynches (or pretending to do so), so why not stop and think.
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I hope everyone sees that, despite my methods being a little unethical, hapa has been slipping and sliding like a racing car on an oil covered track... It's not about who's been nice to the town, it's not about who you like better... It's about who's picking out the scum. And though I haven't been nice, my story has remained the same, I've played the same character with the same few points.
Hapa has ignored the points I've created which valid and made arguments that only work with the assumption that those points never existed. He has an obsession with cheesecake and a mafiaslip to his name. He's also the only one to change his character (emotional state) 5 times now during the game... I really don't see how any more is needed to see who the scum are and it's the two I pointed out from the start.
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On December 18 2012 08:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:18 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote: ##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case. Town atmosphere = shit constructive discussion = 0 On the contrary, all evidence I've presented has been ignored with false claims being made that I had presented none... Given that you should be voting for yourself (since you ignored both cases I made). Your cases are shit... See the kind of posts I make. I expect even more than that from you right now. Stop shitting the thread and post an extensive case against Cheesecake. If you can't be bothered to read and want to lose the game (if you're town) because of it, then go ahead and do so. I've everything I've written is clearly worded.
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On December 18 2012 08:30 Hapahauli wrote: Rofl. Accusing Djo of not reading. That's funny coming from you. I've read everything in this thread including all of your half assed attempts at describing why stuff isn't as it seems... I'm sorry, if you have to explain for that much shit, it's because your plan has more holes than swiss cheese.
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I've made my case, civilian likely to be voted out today again, good job mafia.
##unvote
##vote eywa-
I'm going to eat, later.
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On December 18 2012 10:02 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 09:57 MrZentor wrote:But if We have no fucking way of knowing what scum would do or not do. How do we know that a scum won't try t acot like an helpful, active townie? Are you talking about Hapa here ? Because I don't see him pushing a scum agenda. I mean, okay, he could be playing a hell of a scum game. But there are so many players here being sooo scummy. Like Eywa, JieXan, Kush or even you with your attempts to out the blues. Did you read my case again Kush ? Not to mention Drazak or DYH that you don't even know what they are doing in this game. Hapa is alsmost townie by elimination here. If you're knowledgeable by experience, I weep for the future of humanity.
#unvote
#vote Eywa-
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On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right.
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On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Obviously the people you push for are generally scum... Given you've never yet picked one out your record is about... 0%
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On December 18 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote: Screaming that he's lying =/= good way to figure out if someone's scum. Be quiet while I try and get productive answers from people. I'm just saying, when someone has a 0% guess rate, they're generally scum... It's not that hard to link the dots.
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On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics.
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On December 18 2012 10:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote: Screaming that he's lying =/= good way to figure out if someone's scum. Be quiet while I try and get productive answers from people. I'm just saying, when someone has a 0% guess rate, they're generally scum... It's not that hard to link the dots. Well, I'm pretty sure you have a 0% guess rate too, because I'm town. I guess we should just take your word for it? I mean, it's not suspicious at all that you guys are banding in a group of 3 who always agree with each other while a bunch of other people do their own thing.
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On December 18 2012 10:58 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Well you didn't do much yesterday other than address "Eywa bullshit" and hard defend me. The lack of scumhunting outside your D1 case on thrawn is rather disturbing. And tunneling Eywa really doesn't satisfy the "scumhunting" quota. I'm not voting for him anymore, just so you know.
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On December 18 2012 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics. You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum. I'm sorry, is the math of finding out who has a lower guess rate than 0% difficult?
Let's run a simple exercise... I have 10 apples, I give you none. How many less apples could I have given you?
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On December 18 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics. You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum. Just ignore him. This conversation is between you and me right now, and I'm not interested in having Eywa shit up the thread again. I'm sorry, I didn't realise his PROVEN 0% guess rate was a secret.
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On December 18 2012 11:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:58 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Well you didn't do much yesterday other than address "Eywa bullshit" and hard defend me. The lack of scumhunting outside your D1 case on thrawn is rather disturbing. And tunneling Eywa really doesn't satisfy the "scumhunting" quota. Whatever. Tired of this " I didn't do anything D1" Bullshit. Neither did Eywa. I'm busy helping amend this fucking school shooting in CT, maybe you've heard of it? I don't have time to deal with you fucking retards (Eywa, not you Hapa) Go die if you don't understand it, because I honestly don't give a shit anymore. I'm just going to park my vote on Eywa, because he's scum. Join me if you want to. I just don't know what to say. If Eywa is town I have no faith in the intelligence of humanity. /endrage You mean... In the intelligence of a being which has yet to guess right? you're still at 0%
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P.S. I'm too fucking busy for this game and your bullshit, stop asking me (The only question I've been asked all game) shit because I've had enough of this game! I'm going to shoot a Civilian and go back to helping out my School. Fuck you guys, I know how to count an 0/3 is definitely higher than 0%! FUCK
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By the way, I don't mean to be offensive towards volunteer work... I just mean this game doesn't take much time out of the day.
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On December 18 2012 11:13 Blazinghand wrote: Mr. Cheesecake, please pay more attention to the tone of your posts. It is not acceptable to call other players retards or to tell them to go die. This is a behavior warning.
Eywa, your insults are not appropriate either. Please do not continue to make this game un-fun for me to moderate. This is a behavior warning.
Everyone, stop the flaming. Well shit, the guy has been asked one question and responds with the fact that he doesn't have enough time... Also I apologize for being an ass hole, though this town keeps lynching civilians and there's no way to stop it (frustration).
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So... dodge the one question he's asked all game, then promise future lynch reads... you guys don't think he's scum? lol
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On December 18 2012 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa, I'm not sure if you're aware, but Cheesecake is from the area which the US elementary-school shootings took place. These aren't things that people lie about, and you are going to have to give him some space this game. Flaming someone hit with an RL is not conducive towards town goals at all, nor is it morally acceptable. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:12 Eywa- wrote: P.S. I'm too fucking busy for this game and your bullshit, stop asking me (The only question I've been asked all game) shit because I've had enough of this game! I'm going to shoot a Civilian and go back to helping out my School. Fuck you guys, I know how to count an 0/3 is definitely higher than 0%! FUCK So when I see something like the above, not only is this an issue with the game, but it's an issue with your attitude and gameplay. You're more than welcome to find him scummy. That's fine. But don't cross the line into antagonistic behavior. That does no one any good here. ~Hapa I didn't realise... I generally don't read news, so I don't know what goes on where... I still think he's scum in the game though and nothing's going to change that.
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On December 18 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa, I'm not sure if you're aware, but Cheesecake is from the area which the US elementary-school shootings took place. These aren't things that people lie about, and you are going to have to give him some space this game. Flaming someone hit with an RL is not conducive towards town goals at all, nor is it morally acceptable. On December 18 2012 11:12 Eywa- wrote: P.S. I'm too fucking busy for this game and your bullshit, stop asking me (The only question I've been asked all game) shit because I've had enough of this game! I'm going to shoot a Civilian and go back to helping out my School. Fuck you guys, I know how to count an 0/3 is definitely higher than 0%! FUCK So when I see something like the above, not only is this an issue with the game, but it's an issue with your attitude and gameplay. You're more than welcome to find him scummy. That's fine. But don't cross the line into antagonistic behavior. That does no one any good here. ~Hapa I didn't realise... I generally don't read news, so I don't know what goes on where... I still think he's scum in the game though and nothing's going to change that. Thanks for understanding. I get that your play is focused around riling-up players, calling them scum, and testing reactions, and I definitely misunderstood your motives for most of the game so far. It's something straight out of IRL mafia games, and I'm sure you've had much success with it. However, you have to back off with some players. The situation as I see it with you and Cheesecake is that he ragequit as a result of your pressure. This is pretty sub-optimal for both him personally as well as our efforts as a town. I don't know if he's scum or not, and we're going to have to be more patient with him to find out his alignment. Antagonizing him isn't the way to go here to get anything of value to the town. Sorry if this sounds like a lecture, but I do care about this game, and I want to make sure we can finish it with our respective sanities intact. Yeah, given the lack of posting I'd say people have lost their sanity already.
Though, let's look at the situation as it stands:
Hapahauli (Possible Scum) - 2 Votes Eywa- () - 2 Votes (one of which is impossible to change) Jie Xian - 1 vote (Not really Scummy, not likely to get majority vote) Kush - 0 votes (Possible Scum, mostly overlooked) MrV - 1 vote (Not Scum) Mr.Cheesecake - 0 votes (Scum) DoYouHas - 0 votes (Not Scum) Drakaz - 0 votes (Possible Scum) Djodref - 0 (Possible Scum)
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On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote: By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might.
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On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote: By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled
Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same.
Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least
If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats.
CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous.
Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water.
Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while.
You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent.
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On December 18 2012 12:07 Hapahauli wrote: As for Cheesecake, I really don't think he's mafia. I really doubt that mafia would play the "school shooting" card to excuse their behavior. In addition, a lot of his N1 play is very easily explainable by your vitriolic relationship with him so far.
As for his D1 play, I've seen many townies do exactly what he did in the past. I insist that voting for any lynch over a no-lynch is perfectly acceptable (and promoted) town play here.
I'm feeling town from CC. I'll re-evaluate that read as I see him post more, everything so far points to a frustrated townie who has some holes in his activity/commitment due to RL troubles. I can't really say, too much that he's said and done spells out mafia for me... Regardless of his last couple posts, my mind was made up before then.
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On December 18 2012 12:12 Hapahauli wrote:As for DoYouHas, he seems to fit the profile of a non-involved lurker. His contributions so far are rather paltry considering how much of a shit-storm this game has been. He made a case against JieXian after 4-5 people voted him (overkill). He's currently tunneling two people that I have strong town reads on, yourself (Eywa) and MrZentor. The MrZentor one is rather alarming, because he's focusing on irrelevant tells: Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:39 DoYouHas wrote: If MrZ was town he would have to at least acknowledge that his assumptions might be wrong. And if that possibility exists, then his actions only have a scum mindset. Any town making his assumptions could just as easily test them when hapa was out of danger. They would be no less convincing, even if we will be missing 2 more votes now.
MrZ was rolefishing, plain and simple. "Rolefishing" in not a tell. Mafia are often way too scared to rolefish out in the open, and MrZentor is doing it rather blatantly. I've never seen a mafia "rolefishing" in all the games I've played. And even if he is "rolefishing," DYH's case against MrZentor doesn't adequately address why MrZ's idea scummy rather than stupid. Point taken, however, you must keep in mind that doyouhas will have no power to persuade anyone, so assume he is mafia, we're better off lynching his allies.
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On December 18 2012 12:20 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote: By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. Thanks for the reads. I think we're sharing much more common ground than we both realized. You're spot on with DYH. His play is indeed really impersonal, and this "emotional detatchment" from the game I find rather scummy. Townies are often really emotional, wild, and crazy. There are certainly exceptions (i.e., scum can be emotional), but complete emotional detachment in the manner exhibited by DYH is strongly suggestive of scum. Do you agree? Drazak is a rather interesting case, because he's normally very lurky as town and scum. I'm getting town vibes from him based his passivity, which strangely enough is indicative of his town play. MrZ is far too attention-seeking this game to be scum. I think we both agree about that. JieXian, I'm a bit torn on. I don't like his play, however, he has some guts to OMGUS me given how violent I've been most of Day 1. I'm willing to see that as townie for now, and hopefully we both can talk a bit more calmly tomorrow. ##UnvoteKush and Djodref are two players I have to look at in a lot of detail. With how this game is working out, I'm pretty sure they're scum. They're very uninvolved in the game, and for the most part have been sitting back and watching us fight. So here's my theory; everyone in the game that's been screaming at each other is town. The scum, DYH, Kush, and Djodref have been sitting in the shadows eating popcorn and watching ourselves tear each other apart. Whaddya think? #unvote
It's very possible that the scum in the town are all the quiet guys, while I was leaning away from DoYouHas, I wouldn't mind siding against him in the end, however not as a first lynch.
I'd go for Kush or Djodref.
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On December 18 2012 12:32 Hapahauli wrote: Do you have any preference? I personally would rather go for DYH because he's the most detached and lurky out of the bunch.
I honestly haven't read enough into Kush or Djo to make an informed decision on which to lynch. I think they're scum, but I want to be sure. So I propose we park our votes on DYH while we each take some time to decide. If we can't find a satisfying candidate, we lynch DYH. At the very least, we'll give DYH a little kick in the ass to get in here and post more. Sounds fine by me, Kush and Djoref should post why they should be kept before the day ends.
#vote DYH
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Lol, yeah, I probably went after you a bit too hard habahauli .
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AH FFS I CAN"T SPELL HAPAHAULI MrZ* SORRY
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Given Recent Events,
I'd like to give the following hypothesis:
Djodref or Kush (either or is scum)
Djodref and Kush don't appear to be on the same team, however, they both seem scummy.
hapahauli and Mr.Cheesecake or DoYouHas and MrZentor
Other Possible - drazak, Jie Xian
Hapahauli has had many slips and has not always done well under pressure, I'm not sure if this is due to him being a scum bag, it's still something I consider very reasonable. He also has a very strong attachment to Mr.Cheesecake who is even more scummy than hapahauli... To sum up cheesecake's posting history... Not very well thought out.
For a moment I thought that DoYouHas didn't look scummy at all... But then I was trying to put together the pieces on his obsession with MrZentor and I found that... Why would anyone push for that lynch? To prove innocent. In the scenario where DoYouHas would be scum, MrZentor is as well given that they've kind of been on with their little side show for quite some time. I mean there's no reasonable explanation as to why DoYouHas just went after MrZentor other than MrZentor is a guaranteed non-lynch. By this, he throws out a vote while not bothering the disputing players (me and hapahauli + CC). MrZentor then throws his vote at DoYouHas knowing that before the day is over, there will be enough proof going for DoYouHas to disprove him being a mafia member. Now this is highly advanced play, so I kind of doubt it's the reality.
Jie Xian - This guy is all over the place, the biggest reason for me to think he is mafia is that there is always something that triggers people who swear they want him dead so bad to switch targets, people look at him and are like "yeah, he's definitely scum" (which I don't buy 100%)... but then one of the keen players always finds a reason to switch off of him... Is this due to some other attachment? I'm not sure.
Drazak is thrown into the mix because I have no idea what is game play is... He's a lurker and typically there is a negative connotation given to lurkers.
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On December 19 2012 00:11 JieXian wrote:Ok now that I'm back, why is everyone forgetting MrCC? ##Vote MrCheeseCake My case is based on the scumminess in his attitude towards thrawn. I feel very tired repeating myself to scum because they aren't in the position to listen because it involves claiming to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:03 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote: Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP. Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking 2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation. Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote: I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote: i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote: but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum. ##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: [quote]
Yes we need a vote count.
I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody. I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. let's look at your justifications on your vote for morbid On December 17 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote: cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good? Ill think about it honey. On December 17 2012 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Fuck it, may as well...
##Unvote ##Vote Morbidius L O fucking L Here are my reasons to vote for thrawn On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote: frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to implymy read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperativeReading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: we really need a vote count... We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch. Who are teh viable lynches at this point? Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:54 JieXian wrote:I'll do it for you On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote: frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible Do you know what happened after you posted the case on thrawn? you chatted with eywa against going for hapa On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: we really need a vote count... We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch. Who are teh viable lynches at this point? Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? and GAVE UP No one influential came in to discredit you yet -- neither hapa nor DP. And you shove away the only person who agreed with you = me and his defense was exactly why he was scummy in the first place Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody.
I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. MrCC dropped it before people were even around to post their thoughts Oh, I fully agree with you, but you have to convince 3 other people... I've tried, doesn't seem like it's going to happen.
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Fact: Every person I voted to give witchcraft powers are now dead towns people.
I voted DarthPunk, Morbidius and Thrawn.
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On December 19 2012 01:49 kushm4sta wrote: hi im back. I plan to be catching up with this game today.
I've had a lot of shitting going on in the past two days. Finals (which did not go well at all.) Also I had sex with a virgin sunday night and now she wants to spend every waking hour with me, so that's why I've been lurking hardcore yesterday.
As of now I do not have a great hold on recent events in this thread. @hapa: nah I don't think it's that scummy, that thing i said was super scummy. I thought you meant it like, omg im so surprised they didn't kill me. But as you explained it, like fuck me I'm still it this game, it makes sense and I can sympathize! In my skimming I notice that you have been doing a lot of flip flopping on ewya. Why is that?
Also as I catch up throughout the next several hours, is there anything people want me to address?
I'd like you to address Mr.CheeseCake if you would.
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#unvote
Hapahauli, I see no scum on DoYouHas right now... I'm not sure (of course, I can't be sure... But I think I have a good idea of what's going on).
Would you be willing to vote either CC or Djodref today?
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On December 19 2012 05:36 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote: #unvote
Hapahauli, I see no scum on DoYouHas right now... I'm not sure (of course, I can't be sure... But I think I have a good idea of what's going on).
Would you be willing to vote either CC or Djodref today? Not Djo, but maybe CC. What about DoYouHas is not scummy? All he's done since we called him out for his play is promise a case on MrZ, then getting lazy and going to bed. Because scum, due to the individual accomplishment, even detached scum don't forfeit... DoYouHas has shown no interest in winning an individual game.
If you're willing to put your vote on CC, I'm okay with that.
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On December 19 2012 05:40 kushm4sta wrote: k let me find his case on me Save it, we can off djo tomorrow... If Hapa wants to vote CC over Djo, that's 1 more vote... We need 5 (which is a lot)... Jie Xian looks like he'll vote CC, MrZentor probably will given his last post... Add you and me, that's 5... + DoYouHas is currently on his death bed, he should probably sway his vote anyway the crowd likes... I mean there's just so much evidence on CC right now.
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I've just made up my mind...
##vote Mr.Cheesecake
I hope others follow.
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I would like to see drazak, DoYouHas, Kush, MrZ, Djo, Hapahauli and Jie Xian put their votes down on CC and leave them there.
I'll redirect my vote with appropriate justification depending on how this goes.
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On December 19 2012 06:29 DoYouHas wrote: I had been trying to keep MrZ's voting of me largely out of my case to try and make it more objective. But what you are saying makes sense. I'm just going to go ahead and say this, assume that all you said is true and that MrZ were trying to expose hapa, after he failed to expose him, the witchdoctor would have taken the shot anyway... Which means Hapa either didn't get blued or is also scum.
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On December 19 2012 06:32 kushm4sta wrote: help me out. who are the current possible bandwagons?
I really think Mr z is town. anti town, yes, but not in a scummy way.
also hapa I remembered you saying you think you were shot by a silver bullet. Are you sure? and have the witches claimed yet? I'm going for Mr.CC, I don't think anyone should stray from voting Mr.CC either. In my mind, everything else being brought up are side cases which should be paid attention to, but not necessarily acted on just yet.
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On December 19 2012 06:33 MrZentor wrote: And now everybody thinks I'm scum.
Good.
Good. Put your vote on Mr.Cheesecake please.
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On December 19 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 06:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 06:33 MrZentor wrote: And now everybody thinks I'm scum.
Good.
Good. Put your vote on Mr.Cheesecake please. DYH + MrZ scumteam. I can prove it. I'll read, but I doubt you can change my mind about the vote today, I am placing a pure strategic vote which will show the town to victory if they just follow. There are trends and I believe Mr.Cheesecake is the first piece of the puzzle.
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On December 19 2012 06:39 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 06:37 MrZentor wrote: And Hapa, don't you think I as scum would be more careful and actually try to make it look like I was suspicious of DYH before voting him?
Look at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game. Can you post some of your scumgames then? I'd like to take a readthrough. Negative, bad idea.
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24 hours of daylight left...
I want to get a vote count on Mr.Cheesecake.
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On December 19 2012 06:53 drazak wrote: Bleh, I don't like how defensive hapa was but I can't get anything else to stick on him no matter how hard I look. If you vote for Mr.Cheesecake, everything will be made clear as ice.
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I feel like MrZentor is playing sarcastically, he's playing a spoof of a bad scum... like, if I were scum, these are all the things I wouldn't do... and he does them.
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Now you guys are just being silly... Put up your votes for cheesecake.
##unvote ##vote Mr.Cheesecake
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On December 19 2012 12:25 Djodref wrote: @ Eywa
Who would be your scumteam right now ? If I revealed, there'd be a lesser chance of killing Cheesecake.
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On December 19 2012 12:56 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:51 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 12:25 Djodref wrote: @ Eywa
Who would be your scumteam right now ? If I revealed, there'd be a lesser chance of killing Cheesecake. Do you have time to discuss about Cheesecake now ? Can you make me a list with your strongest points again him ? What didn't you like in my post and Hapa's post on CC ? No He's Scum I don't remember
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I'm kind of feeling a lynch on Mr.Cheesecake even more so now... I mean, he says that it's the best move for scum to push for my lynch and there he is, pushing for my lynch...
Second, is it not even the slightest bit suspect that Hapahauli, Mr.Cheesecake and Djodref have not even showed the SLIGHTEST interest for ever voting for each other? Don't tell me none of them have looked scum at any point this game... CC and Hapa both have scumslips going on.
Third, Mr.Cheesecake, I haven't buddied Hapa, it was a fake to get what I want, but seeing as Hapa won't vote for you even when he describes you as the possible 4th, I think it just confirms my hypothesis.
And... Djodref, first game on TL =/= first game ever. TL is not necessarily stronger or weaker than previous games, hard to tell because you get such a mix of both strong and weak players here (also online changes the game entirely).
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##unvote ##vote MR.CHEESECAKE
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;; Sorry, I'm generally not sure on how this stuff works.
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Guys, we won't get enough votes unless we consolidate them!
ALL ON MR.CHEESECAKE.
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On December 20 2012 02:33 Djodref wrote: Let's discuss this in the post game to see which one of us is right. This discussion is pointless right now, and I think you are just trying to avoid real topics with it. You have failed to bring a case with Hapa. If you have a good case, I could accept your speculation as the icing on the cake. Anyway, Hapa is not getting lynched today, so we have limited time to discuss this, because there is no consolidation on the lynch right.
That's why I really need your comments on DYH, CC and Kush... Mr.Cheesecake is my lynch, I will not compromise.
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On December 20 2012 02:36 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:33 Djodref wrote: Let's discuss this in the post game to see which one of us is right. This discussion is pointless right now, and I think you are just trying to avoid real topics with it. You have failed to bring a case with Hapa. If you have a good case, I could accept your speculation as the icing on the cake. Anyway, Hapa is not getting lynched today, so we have limited time to discuss this, because there is no consolidation on the lynch right.
That's why I really need your comments on DYH, CC and Kush... Mr.Cheesecake is my lynch, I will not compromise. then your best bet is to convince the rest that the dyh case isn't strong There is no case on DYH, lol.
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On December 20 2012 02:38 MrZentor wrote: Eywa, you should as town compromise.
Or we're going to no lynch and lose.
DYH is way more scummy than cc. Your entire investigation of DYH is reliant on him being a very strong and confident mafia member, which he doesn't seem to be... Mafia members find it hard to push targets unless they're the second to the story or it's an easy target... Your case was neither. Mr.CC is just that guy with no backbone who follows and tries to not be seen. Considering that added up with his countless mistakes, he's an obvious pick for the lynch.
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Point being: We lynch Mr.Cheesecake tonight.
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On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote: I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more. Nitpicking some third party which isn't really being discussed as a lynch, another mafia trait (especially when it's paired with people who don't make decisions).
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On December 20 2012 02:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:41 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:38 MrZentor wrote: Eywa, you should as town compromise.
Or we're going to no lynch and lose.
DYH is way more scummy than cc. Your entire investigation of DYH is reliant on him being a very strong and confident mafia member, which he doesn't seem to be... Mafia members find it hard to push targets unless they're the second to the story or it's an easy target... Your case was neither. Mr.CC is just that guy with no backbone who follows and tries to not be seen. Considering that added up with his countless mistakes, he's an obvious pick for the lynch. Really, what are these "mistakes" as you put them? The only thing that I'm guilty of is lack of scumhunting and blatant sheeping, which I admit. Not to mention your case on thrawn, your numerous slips in your rage against me... It just piles up.
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On December 20 2012 02:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:43 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote: I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more. Nitpicking some third party which isn't really being discussed as a lynch, another mafia trait (especially when it's paired with people who don't make decisions). What? lol. You are so anti-town it's not even funny. And you're a mafia member, now surrender your weapons and prepare to be lynched.
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Let me riddle this out for you, what dynamic duo was pushing furiously for me up until they realised that pushing for me got them into hot water with other members and a potential next lynch... Oh right... You were one of them.
What happens next? Hapahauli scrambles to point fingers at anyone he can find and then you just tag along when you get back... No second guessing.
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When I said I wouldn't compromise, I was lying, I won't compromise by voting onto a townie, because that is no compromise, it's suicide.
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On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote: As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? I have... But it's because I'm right and I've never second guessed... Evidence just piles on and on and on.
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On December 20 2012 02:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote: As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? wth ? he thought I was scum and let go and he still thinks eywa is scum Truth, in fact... He came onto me during that hapa/cc rage before he came onto you.
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On December 20 2012 02:55 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote: As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? I have... But it's because I'm right and I've never second guessed... Evidence just piles on and on and on. No, you have commented on other things beside who you want to kill many times; you're not ignoring everything else like he is. Commented on, never changed my mind. Also, CC is neither lurking nor asleep, he is actively posting and ignoring my previous post (likely because he is stuck between a rock and a hard place).
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On December 20 2012 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote: As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? I have... But it's because I'm right and I've never second guessed... Evidence just piles on and on and on. No, you have commented on other things beside who you want to kill many times; you're not ignoring everything else like he is. Commented on, never changed my mind. Also, CC is neither lurking nor asleep, he is actively posting and ignoring my previous post (likely because he is stuck between a rock and a hard place). There's nothing to comment on. You're either mega confirmation biased or scum. I'm not fundraising all day today, so I do have a bit of time to participate here. We don't need that, we just need you to vote for yourself.
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On December 20 2012 03:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:08 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 03:02 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I refer:
If I was scum I would have pushed the Thrawn lynch no matter what. Morb dies, I can flame at everyone and push his mislynch today. It's just the better choice. As town, I don't want to see a mislynch. I have to consolidate and realize that my Thrawn case had zero traction in the thread.
If you can't see that, JX, I'm sorry. ? You can't push his mislynch as scum because you started the huge case This makes no sense. The optimal scum play is to push the Thrawn lynch. It has NO chance to actually go through. I'm not suspicious for voting Morb, I can push his mislynch today. It just works out better. How would you know? Anything can happen and it baffled me that I got off the hook on D1 because of some apparent scumslip that morb made about lurkers != scum Because I've played scum once before, and I know that's what I would have done. It just makes sense. I'm not worried about coming off scummy, that's why I'd rather get Morb lynched for information rather than go with a no-lynch and push Thrawn. You realise, a no-lynch in a scenario where certain people want the lynch can also be very telling. And telling us that you'd have played differently if you were scum while having previously said that you always play this way seems a little bit like a slip.
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On December 20 2012 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: holy fuck you guys spam like no other. can you stop clogging the thread with worthless back and forths maybe? ill be back in like an hour I didn't realise that his scumslip was worthless information.
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On December 20 2012 03:17 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote: ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks
will try to wake up in time for lynch
Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement.
djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense There are too many situations in which he wouldn't get killed for that to be a valid reason to think he's scum. When he started getting paranoid and thinking I'm scum, I realized that he was town. If you're putting DYH up as scum, that means you're also putting up drazak and Kush, it's the only possible combo of 3 I can see working out... Which I would have to deem unlikely.
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On December 20 2012 03:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:13 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: holy fuck you guys spam like no other. can you stop clogging the thread with worthless back and forths maybe? ill be back in like an hour I didn't realise that his scumslip was worthless information. You're really probing for stuff that isn't there. There is no scumslip... I can't even begin to fathom where I've done a scumslip. You said if you were scum you'd have played differently, yet previously you said you always play the same... That's a pretty big slip.
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On December 19 2012 14:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On Djo and Hapa
They really do seem to be the most clear-headed in this thread. I buddied Hapa because he's my strongest town read. I always do that in every game -- just ask me for a few examples.
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On December 20 2012 03:23 Djodref wrote: Bleh, you guys are the most stubborn idiots I have ever played with. It's time to consolidate, because town is going pants on head once again.
I'm voting DYH for the reasons given in my list above...
##Unvote ##Vote DYH List of Scum confirmed.
Thanks.
Any town remaining, vote Mr.Cheesecake now.
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On December 20 2012 03:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:23 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 14:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On Djo and Hapa
They really do seem to be the most clear-headed in this thread. I buddied Hapa because he's my strongest town read. I always do that in every game -- just ask me for a few examples. As town, I ALWAYS buddy my top town read. This has nothing to do WITH THE REST OF MY PLAY. I didn't realise there was anything more to your play... Aside from raging at people.
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On December 20 2012 03:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:25 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 03:23 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 14:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On Djo and Hapa
They really do seem to be the most clear-headed in this thread. I buddied Hapa because he's my strongest town read. I always do that in every game -- just ask me for a few examples. As town, I ALWAYS buddy my top town read. This has nothing to do WITH THE REST OF MY PLAY. I didn't realise there was anything more to your play... Aside from raging at people. And I didn't realise you were doing anything useful this entire game. The only thing you've done is push my mislynch, rage, and use terrible logic. I really don't want to flip out again. Djo is right about the stubborn idiots part. I'm done talking for now. Djo also would have been right about people aside from myself consolidating on town members if he said it... He didn't... Hmmm, from my angle it's easy to observe townies killing townies... I wonder what's got your vision clouded.
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My witchcraft vote today went out on MrZentor and nobody.
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On December 20 2012 03:32 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:24 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:23 Djodref wrote: Bleh, you guys are the most stubborn idiots I have ever played with. It's time to consolidate, because town is going pants on head once again.
I'm voting DYH for the reasons given in my list above...
##Unvote ##Vote DYH List of Scum confirmed. Thanks. Any town remaining, vote Mr.Cheesecake now. Stop it. Seriously, stop it. Take a break. Realize it's possible that you're wrong. The majority of people want to lynch DYH. If you keep your vote on CC, you're just allowing scum to manipulate the lynch, instead of forcing them to lynch DYH. Do you realise that if anyone consolidates votes on someone from this town, it'll be the scum team? If they don't consolidate votes they lose the vote for sure.
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Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys?
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On December 20 2012 03:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote: Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? I'm done talking to you... Why do I need to talk to scum anyway? Is that meant to be a threat? Because if so I'd gladly have taken the offer earlier .
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On December 20 2012 03:36 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:33 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:32 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 03:24 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:23 Djodref wrote: Bleh, you guys are the most stubborn idiots I have ever played with. It's time to consolidate, because town is going pants on head once again.
I'm voting DYH for the reasons given in my list above...
##Unvote ##Vote DYH List of Scum confirmed. Thanks. Any town remaining, vote Mr.Cheesecake now. Stop it. Seriously, stop it. Take a break. Realize it's possible that you're wrong. The majority of people want to lynch DYH. If you keep your vote on CC, you're just allowing scum to manipulate the lynch, instead of forcing them to lynch DYH. Do you realise that if anyone consolidates votes on someone from this town, it'll be the scum team? If they don't consolidate votes they lose the vote for sure. Do you reali Ze that DYH is most likely scum and consolidating votes gives scum a lot less power over who is lynched? So you're saying that the scum team (of 3) is going to sit there and let DYH die when they have 3 votes to consolidate on someone + myself as a townie that is not voting for DYH + Jie Xian? Or are we both scum? If so... What are the odds of DYH being scum?
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On December 20 2012 03:38 MrZentor wrote: Eywa, CC isn't going to get lynched today.
Consolidating our votes gives us more power as town over who is lynched.
We need 5/6 of town to vote for scum to kill one of them.
Please vote for DYH. If he doesn't get lynched, you're at fault.
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Let's put it this way, if DYH is scum, they have an automatic lynch on cheesecake... Do you think even for a second that they wouldn't take it? It would be game over.
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On December 20 2012 03:42 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:39 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:38 MrZentor wrote: Eywa, CC isn't going to get lynched today.
Consolidating our votes gives us more power as town over who is lynched.
We need 5/6 of town to vote for scum to kill one of them.
Please vote for DYH. If he doesn't get lynched, you're at fault. There are several scum. We don't have to lynch them in a particular order. I know DYH is scum. CC may or may not be scum. We have to focus on one of them at a time, and there are already a decent number of votes for DYH. Why won't you kill him before CC? Because the scum are voting for DYH... In what universe is this good for them if DYH is scum? They need 2 more lynches and that's all... If they get a civilian, they need 1 more lynch and we need 3 more... So explain to me, how does the math work out to have the 3 scum among the people not voting?
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On December 20 2012 03:48 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:45 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:42 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 03:39 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:38 MrZentor wrote: Eywa, CC isn't going to get lynched today.
Consolidating our votes gives us more power as town over who is lynched.
We need 5/6 of town to vote for scum to kill one of them.
Please vote for DYH. If he doesn't get lynched, you're at fault. There are several scum. We don't have to lynch them in a particular order. I know DYH is scum. CC may or may not be scum. We have to focus on one of them at a time, and there are already a decent number of votes for DYH. Why won't you kill him before CC? Because the scum are voting for DYH... In what universe is this good for them if DYH is scum? They need 2 more lynches and that's all... If they get a civilian, they need 1 more lynch and we need 3 more... So explain to me, how does the math work out to have the 3 scum among the people not voting? Well, it would be pretty obvious who was scum if none of them voted for their scum buddies.....
Eywa- Jie Xian Kushm4ster Drakaz
Which 2 of us are scum? Please enlighten me.
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On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote: Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Let's play a game Kush, DYH, DrazakI reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list Assume you're right, wouldn't they vote for Mr.Cheesecake? That'd make 5.
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On December 20 2012 03:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote: Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Let's play a game Kush, DYH, DrazakI reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list Assume you're right, wouldn't they vote for Mr.Cheesecake? That'd make 5. And then we just lynch them one by one in the following days ? All of them have no fucking reason to lynch CC. If they have no reason to lynch cc then you're calling me and Jie Xian mafia when your prediction states Drazak and Kush.
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I wish to run an experiment... So this day ends in 3 hours right?
##unvote ##vote DYH
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On December 20 2012 04:07 MrZentor wrote: I forgot the lynch was pushed back an hour.
And you better keep your vote there. -.- I will, I believe I'm voting for a townie though.
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On December 20 2012 04:10 MrZentor wrote: We shall see. It's not a problem, I like voting for town.
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On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote: But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out. He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter. I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case.
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On December 20 2012 04:12 DoYouHas wrote:I'm now positive that MrZ is scum. First, let me address this defense that hapa apparently agrees with so wholeheartedly. Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 08:27 MrZentor wrote:His whole case is That he agrees with me on a bunch of stuff I can't really go after him for how he pushed mord. I agreed with his read on JX and his points on Mord were convincing. It is worth noting that he only stopped 1 lynch in order to push a different mislynch. A good way to gain cred as scum and something I think fits with how MrZ plays, but not really alignment indicative. But because I wanted to know if Hap was scum or not from witchcraft votes What really tips the scales for me, and I'm amazed doesn't do the same for the rest of you is his n1 call to reveal voting on hapa And because I didn't want to wait more than 48 hours to get the results It is the timing of this that makes it so scummy. If MrZ was town he would have waited until N2 to bring this out. I am scum. One thing DYH doesn't realize, which is extremely important, is that my plan wouldn't work if I waited for N2, because there would be at least 2 more dead people, and I would have no way to know those people's witchcraft votes. He says I am scum because I didn't wait for N2 to ask for everybody's votes, but he doesn't understand that my plan wouldn't work if I waited for N2. MrZ has now given 2 bad responses to my point about the timing of his action. The first was him being impatient. Now this. The fact of the matter is, his plan WOULD work N2 compared to when he actually proposed it. He would have had 10 votes to work with before thrawn died. I did not vote for hapa. Now, even if I die, MrZ has 9/10 of the original votes he was so sure would confirm hapa as scum or trap the scum team. He honestly wants you to believe that his plan CANNOT work with 90% of the information he would have gained anyways. I call bs. Here is where things should get convincing for those of you who still won't listen to me on the previous point. Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:58 MrZentor wrote: I had just ignored him most of the time, because in the last game I played with him, we mislynched him and he was some important role. I was afraid of misreading him again, but after he was brought up yesterday, I looked into him and he looked really scummy.
Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote: As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote: As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? First, MrZ states that he pushed a mislynch on me in paranoia mafia and he is afraid of misreading me. Now, when he is trying to strongarm eywa into voting me his true colors come out. Pushing a target I'm confident in to the exlusion of other discussions is EXACTLY what almost got me mislynched in paranoia. Other people have pointed out how I haven't been tunneling MrZ 'all game'. However, JX, your wrong about my Eywa read, I think he is town. What was confusing me was I thought he connected with MrZ, but as I've delved into MrZ I've found that isn't true. MrZ's approach towards me doesn't hold up. Hapa was one of the first to show this, but now with these more recent posts, it should be clear to everyone.
However, all this being said, we still need to consolidate on either myself or MrCc. Eywa is town and isn't going to move his vote. I still think hapa is town, and he isn't going to move his vote. That means for an all town majority all the townies have to pile on either me or MrCc. We can't risk an no-lynch, that would likely put us in mylo or lylo depending on the nightkill and the silver bullet situation. I can't honestly say I have looked into MrCc that much recently. What I know is that he has a better chance of flipping scum than me, and given the current situation, that makes my choice clear. ##Unvote ##Vote Mr. CheeseCake If we can get 4 votes behind either ChocolateCake or MrZentor, I'll flip back to make it 5.
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On December 20 2012 04:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote: But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out. He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter. I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case. Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... <3 French Translation:
Go fuck yourself You're the worse shit which I've never played with.
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On December 20 2012 04:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote: But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out. He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter. I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case. Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... <3 French Translation: Go fuck yourself You're the worse shit which I've never played with. Couldn't have said it better in English. Meaning tranlsation would be "ever" but it's funny because in french it's common to say never.
like
You're the worse chess player I've ever seen
in french it would be
You're the worse chess player I've never seen
All that to say, you're probably still guilty.
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On December 20 2012 04:20 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote: But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out. He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter. I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case. Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... dat fake rage He's gone now so we can all vote for him while he's not looking.
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On December 20 2012 04:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Votecount? Currently 5 on the civilian which is enough to lynch him.
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On December 20 2012 04:33 MrZentor wrote: Kush, I don't play scum like you.
I play scum like me.
And this isn't how I play scum. Sorry... you insist on voting along side the mafia, what else can we make of it?
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On December 20 2012 04:37 MrZentor wrote: Even if that were true, you could think of me as a stupid townie. Or you could kill a mafia member.
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On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote: scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli.
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With DYH gone, there are now only 2 possible lynches: MrZentor and DoYouHas.
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I gotta go, won't be back at a pc till 5:45-6:00... My vote is now final. Later guys!
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Hey guys,
Well this is an interesting scenario... I'm not sure exactly why MrZentor was the one to take the bullet, but I would like to remind you that the mafia doesn't fall far behind at all by losing one, it's 2 mislynches either way. So, I wouldn't be surprised if some scum voted DYH's way... I'll probably be voting with the majority vote today (to avoid getting lynched).
Just one thing... What makes me seem like I have extra intel?
On December 21 2012 09:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Apologize for the hasty effort, still fairly busy these days. I really want somebody to convince me that Djo is scum and who his scumbuddy is. Mainly who his scumbuddy would be.
Both Eywa and JX seem to be playing with extra information, and I see no reason why we shouldn't lynch Eywa over Djo right now.
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On December 21 2012 09:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 09:43 Eywa- wrote:Hey guys, Well this is an interesting scenario... I'm not sure exactly why MrZentor was the one to take the bullet, but I would like to remind you that the mafia doesn't fall far behind at all by losing one, it's 2 mislynches either way. So, I wouldn't be surprised if some scum voted DYH's way... I'll probably be voting with the majority vote today (to avoid getting lynched). Just one thing... What makes me seem like I have extra intel? On December 21 2012 09:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Apologize for the hasty effort, still fairly busy these days. I really want somebody to convince me that Djo is scum and who his scumbuddy is. Mainly who his scumbuddy would be.
Both Eywa and JX seem to be playing with extra information, and I see no reason why we shouldn't lynch Eywa over Djo right now. Nice showing up right when I make a post that calls you scum. The fact that you A) "Know" Morb was town and use it as ammo against the town B) "Know" Kush is Town Actually, I was on the road for 8 hours today with 5 hours of work in between, I just got home... I haven't lurked at all this game, so your comment is null.
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On December 21 2012 09:53 Hapahauli wrote: Djo, calling a bunch of things scumslips that aren't scumslips is not productive. While Djodref is going crazy which might cause his game to end today, it's not convincing... Or perhaps that's what he's going for.
There is no logic in drawing attention to himself while scum if he can just easily get myself, ghost or JieXian lynched easily. Though, he could be doing that in order to then have his scum partner to point that out, but of course the scum partner would have to wait till no townie did it, because that'd just be suspicious... So I'm not sure why I'm posting this.
So, he could possibly be drawing attention to himself knowing that it'll be drawn off him due to his play being so logical up until now without any major setback in between... I mean, the scum are still not losing...
Anyhow, I don't understand, maybe someone else can make sense of Djodref.
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On December 21 2012 10:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Y'all gotta stop flailing your arms around like mental patients.
Who is Djo's scumbuddy? Lynch Eywa, Lynch JX. Win game. And if Jie Xian isn't scum, then the town loses the game.
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On December 21 2012 10:03 Hapahauli wrote: Who are your scumreads atm Eywa? I'm torn right now...
First thought is still obviously you because of your play in general... And the fact you're not dead.
Otherwise, I have no scum reads, I can reason as to why each one of these players is scum which is not a good thing at this point, but you're the only one that I can honestly say, should be dead... lol.
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On December 21 2012 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:02 Eywa- wrote:On December 21 2012 10:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Y'all gotta stop flailing your arms around like mental patients.
Who is Djo's scumbuddy? Lynch Eywa, Lynch JX. Win game. And if Jie Xian isn't scum, then the town loses the game. One of you guys has to be scum at the very least. Well, you can't convince me that I am, because I know for a fact that I'm not.
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On December 21 2012 10:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:06 Eywa- wrote:On December 21 2012 10:03 Hapahauli wrote: Who are your scumreads atm Eywa? I'm torn right now... First thought is still obviously you because of your play in general... And the fact you're not dead. Otherwise, I have no scum reads, I can reason as to why each one of these players is scum which is not a good thing at this point, but you're the only one that I can honestly say, should be dead... lol. What happened to me? Oh,
Otherwise, I have no scum reads, I can reason as to why each one of these players is scum which is not a good thing at this point, but you're the only one that I can honestly say, should be dead... lol.[
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On December 21 2012 10:10 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:06 Eywa- wrote:On December 21 2012 10:03 Hapahauli wrote: Who are your scumreads atm Eywa? I'm torn right now... First thought is still obviously you because of your play in general... And the fact you're not dead. Otherwise, I have no scum reads, I can reason as to why each one of these players is scum which is not a good thing at this point, but you're the only one that I can honestly say, should be dead... lol. There are plenty of acceptable scumreads to have right now. I am not one of them. Actually you are, any scum read I come up with on anyone I can justify, but I can't justify why scum hasn't killed you... Don't get me wrong, I have no intent on gunning for you today, it's simply an interesting fact.
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On December 21 2012 10:15 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa, you mind explaining this for me? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote: Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote: scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. There are still 2 scum which means, the names above aren't cleared by any means... Why else would they not have used it on Kush if they knew he was blue?
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Kush isn't the only one to call me town. Thus, your argument is simply based around bias, bias and more bias. I'm not suggesting that you're mafia since your reasoning is entirely based on you not liking me .
Thus, I will instead change my vote to
##unvote ##vote Jie Xian
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On December 22 2012 07:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 07:18 Eywa- wrote:Kush isn't the only one to call me town. Thus, your argument is simply based around bias, bias and more bias. I'm not suggesting that you're mafia since your reasoning is entirely based on you not liking me . Thus, I will instead change my vote to ##unvote ##vote Jie Xian Nice scum claim. While everything is speculation, the fact that your argument is entirely bias is really not speculation... It's fact
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On December 22 2012 07:50 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah probably.
As for kush... maybe. Part of the reason I'm hesitant is that kusb seems far too level-headed for his scum play. Kush is a guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve, and his scum play is very angry and/or whiny as a result. When he's calim, Kush has always flipped town. Okay, so assume you're right about Kush... Then who's my scum partner?
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On December 22 2012 08:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 07:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 22 2012 07:50 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah probably.
As for kush... maybe. Part of the reason I'm hesitant is that kusb seems far too level-headed for his scum play. Kush is a guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve, and his scum play is very angry and/or whiny as a result. When he's calim, Kush has always flipped town. Okay, so assume you're right about Kush... Then who's my scum partner? You tell me. I'm curious. I'm curious about how you're going to survive with 2 scum and only 1 more mislynch... Given your set on a destination, I'm not sure how I'd convince you otherwise.
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1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. 2) Well, either you're scum or you were shot... I'm kind of confused as to how you're still alive either way. 3) I don't think he's scum anymore... Though, I can't be sure. His argument seems to be based around not liking me, so that makes him seem not-scum, however, if he were scum, he'd know I'm town, thus might see me as an easy target and he knows that you won't look at him as a valid lynch.
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On December 22 2012 08:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote: 1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. What do you mean my "targeting?" The way I'm reading this, is that you think scum was trying to get MrZ lynched. The only person who was trying to get MrZ lynched was DYH. So... you tried to force a no-lynch by getting your top town-read lynched, when the only guy "targeting" MrZ was the other guy on the chopping block? Show nested quote +2) Well, either you're scum or you were shot... I'm kind of confused as to how you're still alive either way. Yes I get that, but you were convinced I was scum for a while. How could you even consider the fact that I was shot, much less answer kush with as much certainty as you did (the 2nd quote)? Show nested quote +3) I don't think he's scum anymore... Though, I can't be sure. His argument seems to be based around not liking me, so that makes him seem not-scum, however, if he were scum, he'd know I'm town, thus might see me as an easy target and he knows that you won't look at him as a valid lynch. Why don't you think he's scum any more? What about his currently play has changed your opinion? Why I moved him to town is that his interest in lynching me is purely about his personal feelings toward me. Which is a terrible position for any scum.
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On December 22 2012 14:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 14:35 kushm4sta wrote: @cheesecake: djo/cheesecake djo/hapa and that is discounting the possibility of a bus If it's me and djo, and eywa flips town. you can just lynch me and him the next two days and win. Hapa is town, unless you don't want to count that DT check. Unless Hapa/Ghost Scum team.
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On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying.
If I tell you that
I expect this game to end in scum victory
and I tell you
I think Hapahauli is scum
and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one...
You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
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On December 23 2012 03:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:40 JieXian wrote:wth You can't use that argument. Firstly you don't seem to think that it was a planned bus at all. Secondly, he's been protecting DYH the entire game if Djo were scum, he just throwing out a weak case on DYH when I asked him for it On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes Because it's not a planned bus, omfg. I just said YOU think it was a planned bus. A planned bus from Djo makes no sense cus he would just be like "omfgscumscumrightherewtffff" He's summarizing the points against DYH, so what? He thinks his Kush lynch is better. A planned bus wouldn't even consider a Kush lynch and just be like rofl he's scum what do. Scum Djo has no reason to push a Kush lynch, it's an impossibility. So, to sum this up, you think it wasn't a bus because you don't think Djo is a good player?
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On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote: Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. It's not a planned bus, but one of the guys who bussed him looks scum? Are you reading before pressing down on "post"?
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On December 23 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If hapa is scum, this game is already lost. How does that even remotely make sense? You talk as though you will lose any voting sense because your leader can't tell who what's what anymore...
If anything, your post makes me think CC/Hapa scumteam.
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On December 23 2012 03:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote: Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. It's not a planned bus, but one of the guys who bussed him looks scum? Are you reading before pressing down on "post"? There's a difference between PLANNED BUS and BUS. Planned bus makes the scum who bussed look really friggen good. Are you thinking before you post, scum? I am pretty sure that you've got that wrong... if Kush were scum, he'd have mislynched before joining the stack who were bussing DYH... It's only logical because then, you only need 1 more mislynch, which given probabilities, there's a very low chance of town victory.
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On December 23 2012 03:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If hapa is scum, this game is already lost. How does that even remotely make sense? You talk as though you will lose any voting sense because your leader can't tell who what's what anymore... If anything, your post makes me think CC/Hapa scumteam. No. People have pinned Hapa as town. If we lynch Djo and he flips town, we're going for you next not him guaranteed. Lol @ hapacc scumteam. It's funny that you give out a ton of opinions, yet never act on any of them... You throw shit around and then vote whatever hapahauli votes. You have no backbone to make a decision, another reason you look scum.
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On December 23 2012 03:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote: Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. It's not a planned bus, but one of the guys who bussed him looks scum? Are you reading before pressing down on "post"? There's a difference between PLANNED BUS and BUS. Planned bus makes the scum who bussed look really friggen good. Are you thinking before you post, scum? I am pretty sure that you've got that wrong... if Kush were scum, he'd have mislynched before joining the stack who were bussing DYH... It's only logical because then, you only need 1 more mislynch, which given probabilities, there's a very low chance of town victory. And what did he do? Try to lynch JX and derail the DYH lynch itself. He wanted a mislynch if scum. I'm sorry, I'm talking about the simple act on putting his vote on DYH rather than for a no-lynch (sorry, I used the wrong term)...
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On December 23 2012 04:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If hapa is scum, this game is already lost. How does that even remotely make sense? You talk as though you will lose any voting sense because your leader can't tell who what's what anymore... If anything, your post makes me think CC/Hapa scumteam. No. People have pinned Hapa as town. If we lynch Djo and he flips town, we're going for you next not him guaranteed. Lol @ hapacc scumteam. It's funny that you give out a ton of opinions, yet never act on any of them... You throw shit around and then vote whatever hapahauli votes. You have no backbone to make a decision, another reason you look scum. Shut up, you scum. The only reason I sheeped Hapa D2 was because I was completely busy D1 through most of D2. I have time now. Hapa is sheeping me this day, not the other way around. You aren't doing shit this game either, you're just voting Djo because it's the popular lynch. You have yet to make a decision this game and then you're like YOU SCUM, I ONLY SHEEPED BECAUSE I WAS BUSY... Doing other stuff impedes you from thinking?
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On December 23 2012 04:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:01 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote: Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. It's not a planned bus, but one of the guys who bussed him looks scum? Are you reading before pressing down on "post"? There's a difference between PLANNED BUS and BUS. Planned bus makes the scum who bussed look really friggen good. Are you thinking before you post, scum? I am pretty sure that you've got that wrong... if Kush were scum, he'd have mislynched before joining the stack who were bussing DYH... It's only logical because then, you only need 1 more mislynch, which given probabilities, there's a very low chance of town victory. And what did he do? Try to lynch JX and derail the DYH lynch itself. He wanted a mislynch if scum. I'm sorry, I'm talking about the simple act on putting his vote on DYH rather than for a no-lynch (sorry, I used the wrong term)... No-lynch is anti-town beyond all belief. He would look scummy as shit doing that. In that situation him + dyh look scummy as fk. dyh dead + town-seeming kush is better. But I still think it's you + JX scumteam most likely at this point. Offchance of Kush as well. This Djo lynch makes no seeeeeeeense Regardless if you lynch them both, 1 mislynch left... Is easy to pull off. And given that everyone in this game looks scum including yourself, to pull a mislynch over kush would be beyond easy even there since there were 2 others also voting for a no-lynch.
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On December 23 2012 04:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:02 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If hapa is scum, this game is already lost. How does that even remotely make sense? You talk as though you will lose any voting sense because your leader can't tell who what's what anymore... If anything, your post makes me think CC/Hapa scumteam. No. People have pinned Hapa as town. If we lynch Djo and he flips town, we're going for you next not him guaranteed. Lol @ hapacc scumteam. It's funny that you give out a ton of opinions, yet never act on any of them... You throw shit around and then vote whatever hapahauli votes. You have no backbone to make a decision, another reason you look scum. Shut up, you scum. The only reason I sheeped Hapa D2 was because I was completely busy D1 through most of D2. I have time now. Hapa is sheeping me this day, not the other way around. You aren't doing shit this game either, you're just voting Djo because it's the popular lynch. You have yet to make a decision this game and then you're like YOU SCUM, I ONLY SHEEPED BECAUSE I WAS BUSY... Doing other stuff impedes you from thinking? Seriously, shut up. I told everyone the reasons I wasn't around, and if you can't accept it, you don't deserve to exist as a human being. I've made my decision this game. Eywa scum. last scum either Kush or JX. I acknowledge that you weren't around for that and it's a good reason to not participate, however, that doesn't create a scenario where you are inhibited from thinking.
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On December 23 2012 04:05 ghost_403 wrote: I like how MrCC's problem with my case is that he cannot, at this moment, identify Djo's scumbuddy.
Not "Ghost is wrong" Not "Mine is better" Not "Let's think about that some other time"
It's "I don't know who we should lynch next".
I don't care who we should lynch next. I found someone who's acted irrefutably scummy, and I think we should lynch them today.
@MrCC:
Do you agree with my case on Djo or not? I'm pretty sure that Mr.CC's problem revolves around anger management more than anything. He can't think about anything other than me being scum simply because he's upset... See previous dialogue, this is a repeat of a repeat already.
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On December 23 2012 04:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Eywa, I've already presented how you're the most anti-town person in the thread by far. I have an entire case on you. I have no illusions about my anti-town play, the thing you might ask yourself is how can I play so anti-town with 2-3 people really hating on me while not even slipping up in the slightest due to emotions, I'm under no pressure... You can kill me and lose the game or you can not kill me and likely lose the game anyway because this town has no idea who is scum and who is not.
My play is hyper aggressive... You don't like it, but neither of these are an argument for me being scum.
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On December 23 2012 04:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:14 ghost_403 wrote: @MrCC: At least Eywa talks to DYH in thread. Examining his filter for 30 secounds shows that he actually responds to the stuff that DYH lobs in his general direction. Typically, scumbuddies don't do that; they fear talking to each other too cordially in thread, and talk about serious stuff outside of the thread. I don't see his interactions with DYH implying that he's scum. I understand this, and it's what I looked for in my cases. It's easily faked, however, I mean I always talked to Debears in my first scum game in the thread; it's something he told me to do. Where does he speak to DYH specifically? Everything is easy to do on a forum, I can role play a pirate, a scientist, a lawyer or a street bum and you wouldn't know the difference, nor would you know if I were lying in any case.
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On December 23 2012 04:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Here it is. Plenty of stuff I could have added to it, but it's what I came up with at the time. For scumslips, etc see Hapa about that. + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 10:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Eywa is SCUM Just read up on it!Here is Eywa's entrance post: Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote: Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask. He votes Hapa for jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon. Personally, I think this is a garbage vote because Hapa was making cases, not sheeping onto a bandwagon. I ask him to explain himself. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Just go read up on it bro. I'm not making a case, fuck that. Towns goal is to convince others that your target is scum. Eywa never does this, just drops his vote because Hapa is inspecting many different players. This play is generally anti-town. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. I notify him of this, I urge him to make a case: Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. One read through is enough. I thought that by definition, in order to participate, you'd have to be willing to read the thread. By saying you're not doing so, you just discredit your entire argument about thrawn even though some aspects may be valid. He denies, says we should just be reading the thread... He even twists my words and says that I wasn't reading! I never once mentioned that I didn't read. He's throwing his own arrogant assumption upon me, because I'm telling him he should justify his read. Morb is TOWN DKLSDAF!
This is Eywa's entire reasoning for his townread on Morb... Oh wait, there is none. Nowhere can I find his reasoning for not lynching him. He just says: and Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote: Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. Why does he think Morb is town? Then, he uses this garbage reasoning to gain town credit by flaming everyone. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote: Q: Which townie predicted this? A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote: And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) Again, he states that Morb was on "obvious townie" in order to attack Hapa: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 07:59 Eywa- wrote: Let's do the math,
First you target 5-6 people without justification and just ask for people to jump on them
Second, you argue to keep votes on a certain person who was obviously a civilian
Said civilian is lynched, you run off saying it was the right decision because it's best to lynch someone than nobody
And now you're targeting me with really no grounds to go off of other than a simple grudge. Why was Morb an "obvious townie"? He never gives any explanation. Only to scum was he an obvious town. In addition, Eywa also called Kush an obvious obvtownie but then later said he was suspicious. How does he know all these people are town? He even called DYH obviously a civilian. Either he's just blind or redic confirmation biased. Y'all SUCK, 50% error rates, 0% finding scum rates! Jeeze!Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote: ... You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you. Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: ... Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. What does Hapa's record of finding scum have anything to do with him being town? This is not a way to find scum, and it's anti-town in general. He's just attacking Hapa for promoting the lynch of Morb. It makes no sense. same thing here: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote: ... You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you. Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote: ... Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in. Then, he goes and keeps face-banging into me about how I haven't found scum yet. Note: He hasn't either. What reason does he think I'm scum otherwise? Nothing. He just trolls around the thread going: + Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 10:55 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Obviously the people you push for are generally scum... Given you've never yet picked one out your record is about... 0% On December 18 2012 10:56 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote: Screaming that he's lying =/= good way to figure out if someone's scum. Be quiet while I try and get productive answers from people. I'm just saying, when someone has a 0% guess rate, they're generally scum... It's not that hard to link the dots. On December 18 2012 11:02 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics. You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum. I'm sorry, is the math of finding out who has a lower guess rate than 0% difficult? Let's run a simple exercise... I have 10 apples, I give you none. How many less apples could I have given you? On December 18 2012 11:03 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics. You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum. Just ignore him. This conversation is between you and me right now, and I'm not interested in having Eywa shit up the thread again. I'm sorry, I didn't realise his PROVEN 0% guess rate was a secret. On December 18 2012 11:10 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Well you didn't do much yesterday other than address "Eywa bullshit" and hard defend me. The lack of scumhunting outside your D1 case on thrawn is rather disturbing. And tunneling Eywa really doesn't satisfy the "scumhunting" quota. Whatever. Tired of this " I didn't do anything D1" Bullshit. Neither did Eywa. I'm busy helping amend this fucking school shooting in CT, maybe you've heard of it? I don't have time to deal with you fucking retards (Eywa, not you Hapa) Go die if you don't understand it, because I honestly don't give a shit anymore. I'm just going to park my vote on Eywa, because he's scum. Join me if you want to. I just don't know what to say. If Eywa is town I have no faith in the intelligence of humanity. /endrage You mean... In the intelligence of a being which has yet to guess right? you're still at 0% On December 18 2012 11:12 Eywa- wrote: P.S. I'm too fucking busy for this game and your bullshit, stop asking me (The only question I've been asked all game) shit because I've had enough of this game! I'm going to shoot a Civilian and go back to helping out my School. Fuck you guys, I know how to count an 0/3 is definitely higher than 0%! FUCK What does this have ANYTHING to do with me being scum? He's been asked many times to provide a case on why exactly he thinks I'm mafia... but he refuses to do so. Just screams SCUM SCUM SCUM at me. Sorry, bro, you're wrong. You're the one at 0% now. Flip-Flop on JXShow nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:26 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:24 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:21 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not convinced on Mr Cheese. I want to see JieXian dead first and foremost. Your cling to defend him suggests one thing, we have to kill him... and then you... or you and then him... Either way, rage on sir! I've posted why JieXian is scum. Several times. In my filter. JieXian wasn't voting for people he thought was scum. He voted the top scumread of his top scumread (thrawn, instead of voting CC). When I called him out for it, he flipped a shit and omgus'd me. He's scum dawg. Let's not forget your scum slip... Your uncontrollable rage... Your obsessions which are generally wrong. You've never guessed anything right in this game, let the big boys call the shots now and wait for your turn to be executed. I'm not against voting off Jie Xian, but I want to kill Cheesecake first because he's actually mafia. JX would be a great lynch! Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:30 Eywa- wrote: Here is my voting list:
Given that Cheesecurd is 100% scum and we need a scum gone, he's dead now.
Given that Hapahauli wants to have a shot at proving innocence before he is bi-headed, next goes jie xian
If Jie is guilty, we kill Kush, if Jie is not guilty, we kill hapahauli
1) Cheesedip 2) Jie Xian <--- Second in line to be lynched 3) hapahauli JX probs scum, gotta lynch him after dat cheeseguy Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 08:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: This is part of the reason I don't want to lynch Mr. CC. JieXian pushes CC in a horrendously scummy way. Think's he's scum, then places his vote on thrawn (flipped town) to "dare" Mr. CC to vote him? Yeah ok. actually that's false as proven by my post about him, he clearly voted for someone he didn't think was scum last time since no one would vote for his suspect. Last post on JieXian or on CC? On CC, I don't think Jie Xian is scum... He's saved too many townspeople or attempted to. These posts are in the time frame of an hour... WHY THE FLIP-FLOP BRAH? Scumslips, etc.He's made them. For the sake of brevity, I won't repost them. General Thread ContributionHe has 13 pages where he has managed to do what? Tunnel me and Hapa and call us two + Djo the scumteam. Lol. Most of his filter is inflammatory remarks towards the entire town, or me in particular. It's disgusting and so anti-town I can barely describe it without a red pen. Just something I noticedShow nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote: scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. *Cringe* How does he know... _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ THERE IS ONE SAVING GRACE Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:31 DoYouHas wrote:On December 17 2012 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hapa, Eywa is totes always right about everything. Shouldn't we listen to him? You had better hope we are right about Eywa, because if we aren't you look exactly like a gloating scum who is buddying hapa. DYH looks like he was posturing for a Eywa lynch. He knows he would flip town, and have justification to lynch me. This is the only reason I would consider not lynching Eywa right now, because of this post from the confirmed scum. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Okay, so some other stuff.DYH had a case on JX day 1 and was very quick to put his vote on him. For this reason, I don't think JX is scum -- purely on association. I don't think his scumbuddy would be that quick to bus him: JX was in very real danger of being lynched D1. That said, it could have been a quick bus, but personally as scum I would have waited / pushed a different lynch. His case and vote were too early to be scum bussing scum imo. It's very convincing, especially given that you can come up with more mild scum associations for every player in this game... In fact, the offenses you point out are so weak, it's incredible that you actually are convinced that you're not just upset and tunneling. Even Hapa has had bigger scum slips than anything you'll find in there.
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On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote: eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either.
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On December 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:A list of Eywa's analysis and scumhunting today:
Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote: ##unvote ##vote Djodref If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying. If I tell you that I expect this game to end in scum victory and I tell you I think Hapahauli is scum and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one... You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
Otherwise, the entirety of D3 he's been floundering around helpless to identify rationale a single one of his reads. I haven't offered any scum reads this game... So D3 isn't special.
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On December 23 2012 04:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Eywa, tell me, what do you think of Kush and his play leading up to the DYH lynch. It matches up with the rest of his play this game, you didn't think he was scum before, I wouldn't change my opinion now if I were you. If you did think he was scum before however, then he's still scum now... I don't see why I'd have to tell you this, though your processing functions seem to be off.
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On December 23 2012 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa, I need an answer to this please:Can you please elaborate on this statement? Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote: 1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. This doesn't make very much sense. The only person that was targeting MrZ was DoYouHas. DYH was also the other lynch option. If you thought scum was "targeting" MrZ, why would you object to lynching DYH, who was the only person targeting MrZ at the time? I had no idea that doyouhas was scum, your assumption was that I knew dyh was scum despite the fact that it was clearly indicated otherwise.
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On December 23 2012 04:32 ghost_403 wrote: Eywa- is playing terribly, and I don't think it's alignment indicative.
Djo is playing scummy because he's scum.
I'm off, catch you guys on the flip side. Not really, if you look at it closely, it is very unlikely for a scum to attract this much attention to himself.
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Well,
For there to be a lynch, Djodref has to flip, given that he is the other option, I hope town wins. Good Luck in the rest of the game.
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On December 23 2012 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:21 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:14 JieXian wrote: wth no, it was dp. I was thinking thrawn was mafia the whole of D1 remember Oh, well that's pretty inconsequential early-game pressure vote, as opposed to trying to get your top town read LYNCHED. ? inconsequential early-game pressure vote? thrawn? how is this related to eywa Your vote on DP was an inconsequential early-game pressure vote. Whereas Eywas vote on MrZ was an attempt to ride a counterwagon against confirmed scum (DYH). Though, DYH decided to vote MrZ rather than Mr.Cheesecake.
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On December 23 2012 05:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:23 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:21 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:14 JieXian wrote: wth no, it was dp. I was thinking thrawn was mafia the whole of D1 remember Oh, well that's pretty inconsequential early-game pressure vote, as opposed to trying to get your top town read LYNCHED. ? inconsequential early-game pressure vote? thrawn? how is this related to eywa Your vote on DP was an inconsequential early-game pressure vote. Whereas Eywas vote on MrZ was an attempt to ride a counterwagon against confirmed scum (DYH). Though, DYH decided to vote MrZ rather than Mr.Cheesecake. Doesn't change the fact that you voted a town read to prevent DYH from getting lynched. You're right, however, your stating of that fact has no value either.
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On December 23 2012 05:29 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa, I need an answer to this please:Can you please elaborate on this statement? Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote: 1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. This doesn't make very much sense. The only person that was targeting MrZ was DoYouHas. DYH was also the other lynch option. If you thought scum was "targeting" MrZ, why would you object to lynching DYH, who was the only person targeting MrZ at the time? I think you're either drunk or also incapable of thinking... Of course, I went after MrZ because I thought scum was targeting him which is also why I said "I THINK DYH IS TOWN"... Like, please, don't ask questions that have been answered, it's redundant.
The only reason I voted DYH was because I knew I had time to switch my vote, at no point did I have any intention on staying there... Again, please read the dialog.
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On December 23 2012 05:33 JieXian wrote: Ok I'm going to stop defending eywa until he answers the only question I have of him, if he ever does Dunno what your question is.
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On December 23 2012 05:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:33 JieXian wrote: Ok I'm going to stop defending eywa until he answers the only question I have of him, if he ever does Well good luck. I've been trying to get a straight answer from him for the last 48 hours. I've answered it 3 times now, you're just incompetent.
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On December 23 2012 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:29 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa, I need an answer to this please:Can you please elaborate on this statement? On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote: 1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. This doesn't make very much sense. The only person that was targeting MrZ was DoYouHas. DYH was also the other lynch option. If you thought scum was "targeting" MrZ, why would you object to lynching DYH, who was the only person targeting MrZ at the time? I think you're either drunk or also incapable of thinking... Of course, I went after MrZ because I thought scum was targeting him which is also why I said "I THINK DYH IS TOWN"... Like, please, don't ask questions that have been answered, it's redundant. The only reason I voted DYH was because I knew I had time to switch my vote, at no point did I have any intention on staying there... Again, please read the dialog. Apparently you thought MrZ was being targeted by mafia. Who is that mafia then? No one? Because there wasn't a single other person going after MrZ. You just quoted that I thought both MrZ and DYH were innocent... I don't know how one can argue if you're tunneling so hard to the point of not remembering your previous post.
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FYI, forgetting entirely what you're posting, 2 minutes after doing so because you want someone lynched and you're just flinging shit everywhere is a sign of scum.
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On December 23 2012 05:41 Hapahauli wrote: Who was the mafia that was "targeting" MrZ then? I have no idea what you're talking about scum.
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On December 23 2012 05:41 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:35 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:33 JieXian wrote: Ok I'm going to stop defending eywa until he answers the only question I have of him, if he ever does Dunno what your question is. Please explain this. Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote: Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote: scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Shrodinger's Cat
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On December 23 2012 05:45 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:41 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:35 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:33 JieXian wrote: Ok I'm going to stop defending eywa until he answers the only question I have of him, if he ever does Dunno what your question is. Please explain this. On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote: Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote: scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Shrodinger's Cat or...
There are several scenarios.
Scenario 1: Hapahauli is town, got shot, didn't get blue
Scenario 2: The scum include Hapahauli in which case revealing a second bullet would mean they didn't shoot Hapahauli, therefore would put him on the block. They don't use second bullet just yet.
Scenario 3: Scum shot 2 people other than Hapahauli, this scenario includes both hapahauli as scum or town.
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On December 23 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote: 1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. Who was the mafia that was "targeting" MrZ then?The only person "Targeting" MrZ was DYH. Huh... That was a typo... "I thought scum were targeting MrZ, therefore I was hoping for a no-lynch by voting MrZ"... If you read that without thinking it's a typo then you probably don't understand that the statement is impossible. substitute DYH for MrZ in that statement you quoted and it makes sense.
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On December 23 2012 05:49 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:48 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote: 1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. Who was the mafia that was "targeting" MrZ then?The only person "Targeting" MrZ was DYH. Huh... That was a typo... "I thought scum were targeting MrZ, therefore I was hoping for a no-lynch by voting MrZ"... If you read that without thinking it's a typo then you probably don't understand that the statement is impossible. substitute DYH for MrZ in that statement you quoted and it makes sense. Oh. Well christ you could have told me that earlier. I never understood your question and given that I rarely make mistakes, I assumed that you were the one being dumb.
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On December 23 2012 05:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JX vote for Eywa or you're next. He's next either way... You kidding me?
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On December 23 2012 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote: I already said the case on eywa sucks Oh bullshit. Scum doesn't want his buddy to die. VOTE HIM You're not fooling anyone... You would have gunned for Jie Xian next anyway, so you're counting on the help of someone which you've made publicly known is next on the nuce.
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On December 23 2012 05:53 Djodref wrote: The problem is that Kush and ghost are AWOL right now. So if the scumteam wants to mislynch me, they totally can do it... I'm sure at least one is lurking.
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On December 23 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote: I already said the case on eywa sucks Oh bullshit. Scum doesn't want his buddy to die. VOTE HIM You're not fooling anyone... You would have gunned for Jie Xian next anyway, so you're counting on the help of someone which you've made publicly known is next on the nuce. If JX didn't pull these shenanigans Kush would be next. You keep talking, but we all know that to be false (also, why are you calling all of these people out without strong cases against any of them - Including myself)?
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On December 23 2012 05:55 kushm4sta wrote: spam harder guys.. really helpful. so WTF is going on? We are lynching djo right?
Yep, 4-3 atm
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On December 23 2012 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote: I already said the case on eywa sucks Oh bullshit. Scum doesn't want his buddy to die. VOTE HIM You're not fooling anyone... You would have gunned for Jie Xian next anyway, so you're counting on the help of someone which you've made publicly known is next on the nuce. If JX didn't pull these shenanigans Kush would be next. You keep talking, but we all know that to be false (also, why are you calling all of these people out without strong cases against any of them - Including myself)? I have a case on you. I also have a case on kush + you scumteam. I also have an association case which summarizes djo/jx/you scumteam theories. what's reading? okay, you have a case that says I'm a scum team with Kush, Jie Xian and Djo... Where is the issue with this plan? (Hint: there are only 2 chances left)
Only a scum member would push such a stupid ploy.
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Damn, you are slipping up more in your posts than slick tires on ice.
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On December 23 2012 06:00 Djodref wrote: Anyway, I'm going to die and flip town, but now it should be pretty obvious that both Eywa and JieXian are the scumteam. They have no apparent reason to lynch me, and they were both incredibly anti-town all game long.
Seriously Kush, even you should be able to see this ? Remember that you always read me wrong... I'm sorry Djodref, I have no choice but to lynch you or die... I just have to hope Kush is right. Personally, I still think it's Mr.Cheesecake... This guy has no hold on his emotions under pressure.
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On December 23 2012 06:00 Hapahauli wrote: Sigh. I'm still a bit shellshocked that Shrodinger's Cat is a valid excuse in TL mafia. Just shows how good your case was .
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On December 23 2012 06:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:00 kushm4sta wrote: I want to lynch djo. I think he's scum I thought that all game I want to lynch him. You all capsing isn't going to change that cheesecake. Are you shitting me Kush? The only person who makes sense as his scumbuddy is me. You're going full retard right now if town. If you want to test this Djo-cheese scumteam, then we can lynch Ewya today. If he flips town, me and djo are scumteam gg. Cheesecake prepares for the lynch of Djo, not by saving him, but convincing that if Djo flips town, it means with certitude that Mr.Cheesecake is innocent because that's the ONLY scum team. Interesting play, let's see how it turns out for you.
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On December 23 2012 06:04 JieXian wrote: oh wait the deadline is in 1 hour shit shit I thought I can finally sleep Given you'll be waiting... What do you think of Mr.Cheesecake trying to prove his innocence in the middle of all this?
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On December 23 2012 06:09 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:06 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 06:05 JieXian wrote: just so you know, a mrcc + djo scum team EXPLAINS why hapa isn't dead yet A JX + Eywa scumteam explains this as well. Iol if I were scum I'd shoot you N1 and silver bullet you and shoot you N2 if I missed my silver bullet and claim WIFOM because everyone listens to you. He's not really referring to you, but to me, he thinks that if I killed him, I would be lynched instantly due to our relationship thus far, yet, the very opposite is true... If I kill him, it makes me look more so town because the surrounding people will be like... Why would anyone in Eywa-'s position kill Hapahauli? They question, they see the only reasonable explanation is someone tried to frame me.
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On December 23 2012 06:12 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:08 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 06:08 Djodref wrote: Am I seriously being lynched ?
I cannot believe it... Like, I have good points made against me, but I've put a great effort to assert my townieness this game, and I feel really depressed to be mislynched right now, it's not like Eywa and JieXian were not obviously scum right now.
Kush has been as stupid as usual and ghost didn't even read this game. And seriously, so much confirmation bias from Kush, I cannot believe it, like I've been fucking scumhunting this game.
The worse thing is that I don't feel like I can do anything about it... Can you post some reads Djo? Hapa and gost are town, anybody not being able to see that is either on the scumteam or an idiot. JieXian and Eywa are the scumteam, if one of them flips town by miracle, then Kush is your remaining scum. Cheese is town by elimination, and also because he's being reasonable and defending me from this stupidity. Q: Can scum win witchcraft? What happens? A: If a scum player wins witchcraft he is informed of this fact, but can't pick a power from the list. If he wants to fake using a power he can use his holy pages, or whatever.
Your only thing holding hapa to guaranteed town is that he did a check on ghost... Now, assume Hapa is scum, he would likely pick a town to do his check on knowing that we'd probably check the town before losing Hapa. Assume that Hapa is town, he'd do the check and would prove ghost is town... So ghost is town either way, Hapa is not.
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My scum teams contain either 2 of the 3 Djo, Hapahauli, Mr.Cheesecake
or
Jie Xian, Kush
The latter however makes no sense whatsoever given that Jie Xian may have killed himself defending me... So I'll have to go with the top one.
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On December 23 2012 06:22 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If Hapa is scum, he deserves to win this game. He really does. He doesn't deserve to win it as scum and I'd be pissed If he is scum and he wins, it'll be entirely because of 2 players Djo and Mr.Cheesecake... A feat which I would not find impressive given that you guys are practically spoon feeding anything he wants.
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On December 23 2012 06:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:21 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 06:19 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 06:18 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote: hapa I'm not sure if you're mafia right now but think about it, DYH didn't give a flying fuck about getting lynched Yeah, that's called scum-motivation and not "I know I'm going to get bussed." Think about it - scum could have secured the MrZ lynch EASY. Why didn't they do it? You do notice you're questioning people for not doing it right now right? Not doing what now? You're questioning their very alleigance for bussing or not bussing and you're asking me about the benefits of bussing? Don't you do realise how hypocritical it is? The very benefit of bussing was to have some townie cred like what you're doing with them now Where are you reading into that? I'm not questioning there's something to be gained from bussing. I'm questioning how bussing is even likely in this scenario, given that there was an easy mislynch available. I can see one teammate bussing (perhaps Djo). Two is a bit of a stretch. On the contrary, busing in this case doesn't increase the amount of mislynch's required, making it a very nice alternative. You see, if the scum didn't plan a bus, it would have been a mislynch on MrZentor instead.
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On December 23 2012 06:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: The only other scumteam i could see besides Ewya / jx or ewya / kush is Hapa + Ghost. Which would be insane considering Hapa pushed that scum lynch so hard. How can you discount you + hapa, you + Djo and hapa + Djo?
Also, why would Hapa include a scum partner in a faked check? He would include a town to have an extra person validate that he is legit.
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I'm thinking Djo, Hapahauli or Hapahauli, Mr.Cheesecake right now, I can't see CC being scum team with Djo given how his posts are going.
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On December 23 2012 06:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:31 kushm4sta wrote: Cheesecake you lynch who you think is the scummiest then figure out the scumteam if that person flips scum. But Djo only has two possible scumbuddies. Me or Eywa. Think. I give you permission to lynch me and Djo if Eywa flips town. And not hapahauli? You're tunneling so hard.
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On December 23 2012 06:33 kushm4sta wrote: the only hting that is giving me pause here is cheesecake looks really town. Like it's just a feel read but if he is scum he is inhabiting the mind of a town really well. Hence, I changed my original thought from any two of the three or either CC or Djo coupled with Hapahauli.
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On December 23 2012 06:35 kushm4sta wrote: i hate you cheesecake ##unvote ##vote eywa
for real this time lol, they got you.
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On December 23 2012 06:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:29 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 06:27 Djodref wrote: Ok guys,
I think it is time for me to write a good bye post.
I wouldn't say that this game was enjoyable, so I have mixed feeling about getting mislynched right now. I'm happy to get away from this game, because IRL is getting pretty busy with me being back to France, and also because there are too much insults and flaming around here. People are not being reasonable. On the other hand,I've really put a lot of effort into this game, and I think that most of my cases were good, even if a few of them were certainly misguided. So I guess that I was establishing that I was town quite well. My last case againt JieXian is something I'm very proud of, and I really don't think Kush or Ghost cases are better than it, so I'm feeling very bad about getting lynched right now. Hopefully, you guys can realize that the scum players are really obvious this game, and I'm counting on you to get your lynches right. I was happy that we had lynched DYH, and I was really hoping for the town atmosphere to get brighter, but it didn't happen. I have faith that you can win this game for me, so please do so ^^
Good luck and try to do something to improve the town atmosphere, because I really feel bad when I read this game... Alas, flaming occured again, and too much time is spend on irrelevant points. your last case on my sucked enough for me to consider you being scum Martyring = not a good way to play this situation out if you're town. Apparently, it worked better than one would think.
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On December 23 2012 06:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:36 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:35 kushm4sta wrote: i hate you cheesecake ##unvote ##vote eywa
for real this time lol, they got you. Nope, we got you. Once I die, there is 1 mislynch left... I'm going to take a look and see who is most distant from this conversation? Hapahauli... Why so?
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On December 23 2012 06:37 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:33 kushm4sta wrote: the only hting that is giving me pause here is cheesecake looks really town. Like it's just a feel read but if he is scum he is inhabiting the mind of a town really well. I mean even if you think Djo is scum... who's the scumbuddy? You think I'm town. CC seems REALLY town... the only person that makes sense is Eywa. Win-win. If you say so.
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On December 23 2012 06:38 kushm4sta wrote: inb4 cheesecake is the sickest scum ever I wouldn't say sickest given that I think there's at least a 2/3 chance that it's him... I'd simply say terrible town.
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On December 23 2012 06:39 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:35 kushm4sta wrote: i hate you cheesecake ##unvote ##vote eywa
for real this time the bff team is djo mrcc and hapa mrcc left hapa out, he's a liar Hapa doesn't want to be seen in this whole mess.
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Agreed, here is the plan:
Convince that lynch Eywa- so we can later lynch djo/cc
Lynch Eywa-
Convince to lynch djo over cc
Lynch Djo
Scum Victory
##unvote ##Vote Hapahauli
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On December 23 2012 06:42 kushm4sta wrote: scumbro cant be cheesecake because cheesecake looks town, and scumbro can't be jx for reasons My only two reasonable scum teams now are Cheesecake/hapahauli (in which case it'd be stupid, stupid town - Because this is the obvious one)
And my other team is Kush/Hapahauli (In which case, very well played).
I still think Hapahauli is an obvious lynch... he started the bus of DYH with really not much to go on just to gain town cred. He'll win the game.
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Actually... Hapahauli//djodref is also possible.
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On December 23 2012 06:47 Djodref wrote: Yeah, DYH was flying under the radar and it was already a shitfest. No need for scum Hapa to out his scumbuddy ^^ On the contrary, Day 2, Hapahauli was in the middle of the action, day 3, hapahauli isn't mentioned... Obviously he lost out?
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On December 23 2012 06:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: But the chances of that happening are lolnone I acknowledge that, but the chances of not dying are also lolnone.
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On December 23 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Hapahauli
let's do this Ghost isn't around, so it's a moot point. I just wanted to throw it out there so I can say I told you so from the start.
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On December 23 2012 06:50 kushm4sta wrote: I assume hapa isn't shot because scum is afraid he will be protected. Highly plausible... Try to explain that to yourself when it's 1 mislynch away tonight.
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On December 23 2012 06:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Or because Eywa / JX were pushing him hardcore and want to make him seem like scum. Are you even thinking? What are the odds of that happening? If we were scum we'd probably push easier townies and kill people like hapa straight up.
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On December 23 2012 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Hapahauli
let's do this So is there a reason you think I"m scum other than "why am I not dead?" Mine is, how did you know DYH is scum now that we'll be able to established that he was bussed... How'd you know?
What makes you such a strong town despite your numerous what were used as scum slips until you started doing them... Oh right, that got washed over pretty fast.
Why are you always on the most popular side, rule of thumb would say that there is external help we don't know about.
Why do you tunnel so hard on me? I've obviously played this game as scum to expose myself as the most notorious player ever because that'll work.
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On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town?
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On December 23 2012 06:55 JieXian wrote: ##unvote ##djodref You messed that up.
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On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. Hey, that means... I'll lynch Djo tomorrow if you're town.
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On December 23 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. Hey, that means... I'll lynch Djo tomorrow if you're town. Not to mention, you haven't made a decision on your own still... Though, don't you think it's odd that hapahauli is cowering behind you today?
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On December 23 2012 06:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. lol, no way he is town, don't even think about it ^^ Oh you poor child, don't even realize that you're next.
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On December 23 2012 06:58 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Hapahauli
let's do this So is there a reason you think I"m scum other than "why am I not dead?" I've been repeating it for days. you ignored my questions when I replied to your "case", and your responses were bad, and your attempt to bribe me was the funniest He's done responding to stuff today, if he responds to too much, he starts looking scum... Proof is Night 1, day 2 up till his scum team told him to shut the fuck up.
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On December 23 2012 06:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. Hey, that means... I'll lynch Djo tomorrow if you're town. Not to mention, you haven't made a decision on your own still... Though, don't you think it's odd that hapahauli is cowering behind you today? You're actually making sense right now. Should have started to do that from D1. And you should continue the lynch of a townie.
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On December 23 2012 07:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. Hey, that means... I'll lynch Djo tomorrow if you're town. Not to mention, you haven't made a decision on your own still... Though, don't you think it's odd that hapahauli is cowering behind you today? You're actually making sense right now. Should have started to do that from D1. And you should continue the lynch of a townie. I won't even feel bad if you're town. Well of course you won't, neither will I.
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Ah, Foiled again.. Farewell... GG
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