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@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who...
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On December 18 2012 00:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Djo
Not a fan of meta cases, never have been.
His play looks scummy to me, and I don't think you can deny that. He didn't look like he cared who was going to get lynched mid-day and totally forgot he thought I was scum.
Yeah, me neither, but you should read this game. At least you can read thrawn's filter. It's not like it's going to take you a long time 
Could you do this at least and tell me what you make out of it ?
For me, the fact that he found Jx scumslip is showing that he is reading the thread carefully.
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On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote:
@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case
I would vote Eywa for the whole case Hapa brought up against him. And, yes, the deciding point for me was the scumslip. Go read NMM XXVIII in my profile and see scum kush getting lynched D1 for a scumslip of this order.
What scumslip are you talking about regarding morbidius ? I don't remember this.
And your case is weak. I would go as far as saying that it's not even a case. What logic are you talking about ?
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On December 18 2012 00:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
curious who you're suspect of djo, DYH perhaps?
lol
I already have my case ready. I'll post it after the night action resolution deadline is passed. And then I'll go back to bed
This deadline is very shit for me, I was really hoping to get a insta vote rule to "fix it" at my convenience ^^
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On December 18 2012 00:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Okay, can you link it?
Check my profile
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On December 18 2012 01:12 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:04 Djodref wrote:On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote:
@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case I would vote Eywa for the whole case Hapa brought up against him. And, yes, the deciding point for me was the scumslip. Go read NMM XXVIII in my profile and see scum kush getting lynched D1 for a scumslip of this order. What scumslip are you talking about regarding morbidius ? I don't remember this. And your case is weak. I would go as far as saying that it's not even a case. What logic are you talking about ? he's been going back and forth finding ways to accuse me and when people are trying to hard because they're mafia, they make huge mistakes like mrcc and hapa no one else, except kush but I already know that he's an idiot based on his pre game posts and his in game posts. Eywa's "scumslip" was about calling him a townie because it was the concensus wth
@ Jx
I don't like your explanation for the scumslip. You never call some one town when you have a strong scum read on them, even if it's the consensus.
Anyway, Hapa's case against Eywa is not to try-hard, he brings a really good point when showing what could be the mafia motivation for Eywa to tunnel him. It's disruptive to tunnel somebody who is not going to get lynched.
Why did Eywa not stop to go after Hapa when it was clear that he was not going to get lynched ? There are other scummers here...
Why did Eywa not present a reasonable case against Hapa ? Your job as town is to convince other people that you are right.
I don't think that Eywa's behavior speaks for a town Eywa. So, the scumslip here is damning in my view.
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On December 18 2012 01:19 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:04 Djodref wrote:On December 18 2012 00:49 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:46 Djodref wrote:
@ JX
How much are you familiar with Hapa play ?
"Town Hapa can't possibly screw up his logic that badly"
What logic are you talking about ? I told you that the fact that you are consistent doesn't make you town.
Town players don't know about any other players alignment. So it's natural for them to change their minds Because they have no fucking idea who is who... read my case and don't base your judgement on your philosophy on consistency town hapa was tunneling on hopeless on d1 while jingle and I were dying to swing the vote onto someone else you people have been voting based on 1 thing jx - scumslip morbid - scumslip eywa - scumslip read the dam case I would vote Eywa for the whole case Hapa brought up against him. And, yes, the deciding point for me was the scumslip. Go read NMM XXVIII in my profile and see scum kush getting lynched D1 for a scumslip of this order. What scumslip are you talking about regarding morbidius ? I don't remember this. And your case is weak. I would go as far as saying that it's not even a case. What logic are you talking about ? think of a strong town player like dp, being careful about his decisions what about hapa? JUPM ON HIM JUMP ON HIM SCUMSLIIIIIIIIIIIP JUMP EVERYONEcomparing kush to someone who's able to raise money for a bw tournament and organise things is a huge insult to him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387231please.
Why are you misinterpreting the events ?
Hapa's case against Eywa has been the most extensive case in this game + Show Spoiler [Hapa's case] +On December 17 2012 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Eywa-
Introduction:One of my weaknesses as a player is catching more active mafia players. I tend to read into activity as genuinity a little too much. When I unvoted Eywa- earlier, it was partially because of that. While he came into the thread, he all of a sudden was actively pushing a case (against myself), and he looked to me like a confirmation-bias spewing townie. However, when you really examine his play from yesterday, that's just simply not the case. If there's one player that was pushing mafia objectives yesterday, it was Eywa-.
Table of Contents:1) Ewya's "Case" 2) Ewya "Addressing" My Defenses 3) Ewya "Pushing" His Case (or, why this is isn't simply him being stupid town) 4) Post-Lynch Anger ***This one is the most damning***
#1: Ewya's "Case" Against me First let's establish the context of Eywa's case. 1) He was absent for most of Day 1 2) When he arrived in the thread, he started bombing suspicion against a player who had no chance of getting lynched (myself). The second point is the most relevant. It's a very common mafia tactic to bomb a third party case to create chaos in the town. It's also very common for mafia to push a player who has no chance of getting lynched, as they can appear to be useful while not doing anything for the town. Now none of this makes him scum alone (yet), however, when you start to look at the content of his cases, it's very very lacking. Basically Eywa's entire point against me is that I've been "bandwagonning." The spoiler below is his compilation of posts on the subject: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote:
Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask. On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:15 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:11 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. It's disturbing that you know JX's alignment without having provided any analysis on him. ##Vote EywaAlso, I really don't understand much of your case on me. You accuse me of bandwaggon hopping, when I've been going around and actively getting people to post. My default strategy as town is to go around and pressure as many players as I can to get discussion going. It's on full display in any of my past town games, and I invite you to take a look through my game-history. In addition, you feel that I'm being the "friendly" mafia, when in fact I'm going around and being anything but. Voting and pressuring multiple players is not the way to be "friendly" in this game, and you're vastly twisting my motives with a generic "bandwagoning" term. 1) Nobody should care about your past games, trying to get people to base your play off of past games is pretty scum considering you can be applying the same strategy from either side. 2) You've accused 5-6 different people in today, how is that not band wagon hopping? 3) You expected people to call you out based on your senseless accusations thrown left and right, why act as though it's a surprise all of a sudden? I've accused 5-6 people today since they've all been shitty lurkers. The best way to get people to post is to accuse them of being mafia - then they come out of the woodworks and post. You act like I think all my targets now are mafia. I don't. In fact I'm leaning town on most of my previous targets. But please explain your read on JX, and how you pulled that out of your ass without EVER having posted on him in your filter. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:Hello guys ! I would like to emphasize something very important for this game.
Never give a single townread this game !
For obvious reasons, because of the Witch Hunter, we should avoid to get a consensus that a player is town. Because if he is town, there are good chances for him to get insta-shoot by the mafia. On the same note, I don't want to see anybody propose a idea or plan on how to cast our witchcraft votes. Never speak about these votes. Keeping everything for you is the best solution. Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some. Regarding me, you can find all my previous games on these forums (only forum games I've ever played) in my profile. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:
##Vote MrZentor
Because I can. Because mafia tends to do that. ##Vote MrZentor Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually you know what?
##Vote Djodref
There's no reason you should be this obsessed with blues and the witchhunter unless you're mafia yourself. On top of this, you've pushed a plan that's anti-scumhunting. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored. There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker. I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping. Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. One way for mafia to avoid making analysis is to be obsessed with irrelevant topics. In this case, Eywa- is obssessed with the idea of bandwagonning. Even though bandwagonning has no relevance to one's allignment, he uses it as a talking point over and over again. But more importantly, he's somehow 100% convinced that I'm scum based on this talking point, which is nonsensical.
#2: Eywa- "Addressing" My Defense Initially thinking he was a confirmation-bais ladened townie, I took some time to address his accusations. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=38#760Here for example, I made a fairly long and well laid out post for why his accusations were wrong. His replies: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:20 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) A: Lynching a guy who has a chance to be scum is 100000x better than a no-lynch.
Also, you never got around to explaining why you were misrepresenting my filter earlier. Care to explain? 1) Given that the majority of the town (this is if we exclude mafia votes) voted for other people than the guy who got lynched, seems like there wasn't much chance at all that he was a legitimate lynch. 2) Just because you pull shit out of your ass doesn't mean someone misrepresented you. Eywa straight-up ignores me. He doesn't even read my defense. He doesn't attempt to analyze it. Instead, he keeps screaming "Hapa is scum" without any substance. A townie would atleast attempt to read my defense. Eywa doesn't - he keeps trying to push his suspicion while avoiding any attempts at analysis.
#3: Eywa "Pushing" His Case The problem is that Eywa doesn't push his case against me. He's more concerned about justifying his own vote on me rather than convincing others to vote for his top scumread. For example: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefOn December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn While you make a decent case against Thrawn, I still think that there is more of a case against hapahauli, thus I will not change my vote. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:06 Eywa- wrote:
It is not my first time playing mafia, it is my first time playing TL Mafia. Previous character profiles are a nuisance to the town, they generally bring people to quick and unfortunate assumptions, if someone plays a certain way 10 times and are a townie every time, why wouldn't they play the same way once they got mafia?
It's common sense... Previous knowledge can be used for serious meta-games, stay away from it.
Otherwise, it suffices to say that: I am not going to jump on someone else's band wagon just because it's a popular choice. I will remain with my vote on hapahauli. I don't believe him to be a town. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:14 MrZentor wrote:
Eywa isn't scum.
-.- He's randomly hopped onto about 5-6 people willy nilly just because it sounds like a good idea at the time, I'd get rid of him (as I've said from my first post, my mind hasn't changed and there is nothing that has been posted that seems more accusation worthy than how he's hopped around). Look at all the above posts. He's not trying to get me lynched. He's trying tell everyone "Hey! I have a reason to vote this guy!" The ONLY time he ever attempts to get other people to lynch me is the following:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. Look at that weak-ass shit. "Please guys, sway your votes." This coming from the guy who is foaming at the mouth that I am scum.
#4: Eywa's Post-Lynch Anger Eywa made this post a couple of hours before the deadline... ... which struck me as really odd for it's pessimism. So what does town Eywa- do when he thinks townies are going to the gallows and he's convinced I'm scum? NOTHING! That's right! Nothing! While the town scrambles to put together a lynch at the last minute, this is what he does in the last 25 minutes: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:38 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:On December 16 2012 23:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 16 2012 23:55 JieXian wrote:
eywa I know you are doing something great for BW but I'd like you to post more and play the game more since you're already in it I fully intend on posting ;; I was out yesterday, no chance to post or read. Also, I've already pretty much done everything I am going to do for BW, just a couple details left to sort out, but that definitely won't be consuming my time. Just got back to reading the thread. WTF. You edited your post?! Please read the rules. No editing of posts allowed. I didn't intend to, if it happened, I apologize. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 05:34 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you an idiot? Those votes were within the first 3 hours of the game. This has nothing to do with the timing, this has to do with your claim (which is a lie)... YOU said that you called out lurkers with votes so that they'd post... Q: Were they against lurkers? A: No Oh this is getting rediculous. 1) Everyone's a lurker in the beginning of the game. I pressured anyone who was around 'cause thats all I can do. How the hell do you pressure someone who hasn't posted yet in the first 3 hours? So I pressured DP and Djo. They are now my strongest townreads. You've never voted against a lurker and your entire I'm innocent because story has just fallen to shreds through your own ignorance of past actions you've committed. This is a straight-up lie. I've voted kush (when he was a lurker, and the reason he's not is because of MY tunneling of him). I've voted JieXian (when he was lurky, and he still kinda is), I've pressured Draz, and I've voted for your lurky-ass. You're failing to account for the state of the game when I placed my votes. Fact: You've jumped from band wagon to band wagon
Fact: You lied about a story that would justify the band wagon hopping.
Fact: You've directly accused anyone who's ever accused you just because "they have yet to justify why they're not guilty" "Fact" 1) I haven't "jumped" on any bandwagon. In fact I've been a bandwagon starter. I tunnel people until they convince me they're town or scum. "Fact" 2) It's not a lie, you're just screaming it is "Fact" 3) Yes, what's your point? That's how scumhunting works. You're tracking on very thin ice here, you've been pointing fingers all game, I've kept my eye fixed on the game and I've come to one conclusion at every turn. Well I'll probably be dead after N1, it's not going to last too long. You're not helping yourself... Please guys, sway your votes. He apologizes, half-ass pushes his suspicions against me, and peaces out. Then after doing jack shit about preventing the mislynch, he goes and does this: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote:
Q: Which townie predicted this?
A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member. HERP DERP ALL YOU GUYS SUCK I AM AWESOME 'CAUSE I PREDICTED THIS AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.
In conclusion, lynch Eywa- tomorrow. He's pushing mafia objectives, he has no case against me, he didn't push said case against me, and his post-lynch anger is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread.
Show me why you thing this case is wrong.
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WTF guys !
Never speak about the WitchCraft votes!
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On December 18 2012 02:16 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:06 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Eywa,
Please, for God's sake if you're actually town, stop being an inconsiderate, blind, confirmation-biased asshole. If town, you're not playing to your win condition. You're just flailing your arms around like a complete buffoon.
Seriously. Make a decent case on Hapa or myself or Djo --- Convince people if you really don't want to be lynched today. If you're scum, keep doing what you're doing. The goal is not to not be lynched, the goal is to catch the scum. So I will be making a case on you guys, however, I'm not releasing it for at least another 24 hours. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? FFS. You're trying to goddamn kill townies. WHY ARE YOU GOING AGAINST OUR WIN CONDITION SHDFSDNIUFBIUDBVD. Also FFS, if you're town, part of your play is making sure you don't get lynched, because if you get lynched it's a mislynch and it's against your win condition. You just said you support two things against town win condition. I wasn't completely convinced after Hapa's case, but I am now.
@ drazak
Good to see you here !
Would you mind to post a little more ?
Scumreads apart Eywa and stuff like that...
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On December 18 2012 02:17 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? because hapa's alive
because you are part of the mafia team, that's the simplest explanation
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This is too much speculation, even for me guys...
Anyway, I'm never going to reveal my votes before the beginnig of D3, and even then I would be reluctant. You are being very stupid talking about this openly because you might endanger the other blues.
Think about it and just give up these ideas forever
-you guys are going to miss DP and Morbidius votes in the count
-mafia is going to lie about there votes and fuck you up
-other blues are in danger
I'll try to get some sleep. I'll wake up to post a case.
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On December 18 2012 02:30 MrZentor wrote:
Yeah, and if scum lie and say they voted for you, we kill you, and you're innocent, then the pool of suspects will have narrowed greatly.
I want to kill myself...
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Hello guys !
Sorry I couldn't wake up for the deadline, I have to catch up but here is the case I promised 
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Kush
What a scummer !
My case here boils down to the following main points. Let's have a look at Kush's behavior in this game.- Kush is shying away from discussion when it starts to look bad for him
- Kush is defending Eywa
- Kush is acting dumb on purpose
Part I --- Flying away !
On December 15 2012 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote:
"in not retarded I'm town"
-djo
does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts. Actually kush, talk to me about that a bit. What about it would you see as scummy?
Did Kush ever answered this question ? Not at all...
On December 16 2012 13:49 Djodref wrote:@ KushIf you are around, I want you to address my case. I'm really interested in your stance on me right now
Did he address my case+ Show Spoiler [My case against Kush] +On December 16 2012 13:32 Djodref wrote:
Kushm4sta
Kush <3
Kush is notoriously hard to read and an easy mislynch, but they are some things that concerns me in his posts so far. The first thing, of course, is that he is going after me in a very nit-picky way. He is attacking me for one post that he takes totally out of context. That could totally be a scum kush scanning filters to look for something scummy. Let's take a look.
Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote:
"in not retarded I'm town"
-djo
does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts. Totally taken out of the context here. At least he quotes the whole sentence in the next post, but still failed to note that I was answering to Hapa and DP at that time. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:23 kushm4sta wrote:*snip* My biggest scumread so far is djodref. I'm not going to make a big case because it's mostly a feel read at this point honestly. On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't what's really going on in this post is he is making it clear that the reason he brought up the witchcraft votes in the first place was because he thought it was something town would do, and he brought it up not because he cared but because he thought it would make him look town. The other part of my suspicion is how he reacted under pressure. in the last game I played with him he was town. There was a similar early bandwagon and he seemed like he didn't really give a shit. This game he responded to the bandwagon very attentively. Making lists and responding to everyone. His vote on hapa looked like a panic vote.*snip* I brought it up because it was clear for me at that time that Hapa and DP didn't read the part about the witchcraft votes in the OP. I've explained it already when he posted this. So he totally discards the context of this post one more time. For the pressure thing, it's kind of true, but I have been mislynched in the NMM XIX game for not giving a shit about people going after me for bad reasons. So, yeah, I care more about my defense now. I don't understand were he comes from when saying that my vote on Hapa is a panic vote. That's just bs.
The other thing is that Kush has shown an anti-town mentality. Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:27 kushm4sta wrote:
town for the millionth time in a row.
my rules this game:
1. I will never vote thrawn no matter how scummy he looks. I've been certain and wrong too many times. and I have to live with th regret every day of my life.
*snip*
3. I am going to advocate the systematic extermination of lurkers. Yup I want to lynch unreadables over scmreads. And lurking makes you unreadable and immune to all efforts at scumhunting.
Fuck fake pressuring active people.by pretending we might vote them. IF there is a lurker I will push his lynch.
Never voting someone, no matter how scummy he looks... Lynching lurkers over scumreads... That's anti-town, but kush is also quite non-sensical, so I'm not sure what to do with that. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 05:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Yup that's my rule for this game. kill lurkers before scumreads At least he is consistent with his rule. Oh wait ! he is being called for it and then... Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote:
*snip*
So when you look at it, the lurker issue really isn't that bad this game.
So thrawn, when you say lurkers are making this game "unplayable" that is kinda bs.
WTF ! This lurker issue is very concerning this game. I don't understand how he could not stick to his rule now !
So, all in all, I'm leaning scum on Kush, but it's a weak read because he is could have done these posts as town as well.
On December 17 2012 11:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:33 kushm4sta wrote:
so this is ewyas first forum gameright? and knowing that you actually still think he's scum? I looked at filter and he looks pretty obvtown to me.
djo is scum...more tomorrow.
hapa or thrawn one of those is prob scum.
one of the more quiet lurker people, one of those is probably scum.. I'm thinking dhs maybe jx. @ KushRight now, I have you as either eywa's scum buddy hard defending him, either you going totally pants on head. I'm leaning over the first solution right now. Please make your case against me so I can see how full of shit you are.
Did he ever make a case against me while stating many times that I was his scumread ? No...
And Kush is now officially announcing that he is taking his holidays in the scumQT now that he is totally caught in the same bed with Eywa.
On December 17 2012 19:24 kushm4sta wrote:
who would use masonry that sounds like total shit compared to the others...
guess what. all activity I promised tomorrow is hereby postponed until Tuesday. Sorry.
Part II --- Defending Eywa
This part works regardless of Eywa alignment, but of course it is going to be even better if Eywa flips scum.
How could Kush hard defend Eywa so strongly ? What did Eywa do to convince him that he is town ?
I don't know, and kush didn't ever say why he thinks that Eywa is town (the newbie excuse doesn't count in my view).
Moreover, kush has already been caught scumslipping like Eywa did in the NMM XXIII game. That was almost exactly the same circumstances. How could have he forgotten it ?
He is being a total hypocrite in taking Eywa's defense. I think he is trying to defend a scumbuddy (scum kush is rather obvious) or trying to get town cred by defending a townie in the improbable case where Eywa flips town.
Please also notice how he is dismissing Hapa's case to concentrate on the scumslip only.
On another note, it's not like his scum read was attacking Eywa with a biased case. Hapa, the "strongest town", in his own words (scumslipping much ?), is pushing a good case against Eywa. How could he be so certain that Eywa is town ? The answer is simple: town kush wouldn't, it's just that we have here scum kush. Scum kush defending scum Eywa, most probably.
And I think Kush was also scumslipping here.
On December 17 2012 01:51 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. That is a scumhunting strategy. He is pressuring people. For that reason you want to lynch the strongest town in this game?
There was not a single mention of a possible town Hapa before this post. The previous mention of Hapa in kush's filter is here.
On December 16 2012 01:23 kushm4sta wrote:
*snip*
Hapa... I am concerned with this guy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he has a really good feel for dps meta and has caught scum dp many times. But I found his case on dp really underwhelming and reaching.
And then he drops the tunnel because of something he read irc...really?
*snip*
Part III --- Dumb on purpose
I don't want to comment these posts in details. Just make yourself your own opinion about it.
On December 17 2012 14:32 kushm4sta wrote:Exhibit A: Ewya's alleged scumslip Show nested quote +I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
Exhibit B: In which Ewya says im town Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:46 Eywa- wrote:
Any scum would have to be out of their mind to side with me right now given how hot of a target I am... I don't see how it can help them... Kush is a civilian (but of course, you can lynch him too given that civilians seem to want to lose around here). This is just one of many examples of his use of the word citizen. Ewya says CITIZEN when he means town and TOWNIE when he means player.Remember this is his first forum mafia game. The only experience he has had is IRL mafia.
So untrue...
On December 16 2012 13:55 kushm4sta wrote:
@djodref have you ever made a mega case as town?
Why did you feel to make THREE mega cases at this stage in the game?
Because I'm town you dumbass...
On December 16 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote:
*snip*
2 of the lurkers look like they are just gonna get straight up replaced -
Eywa
Mr cheesecake
so we probably dont have to worry about them.
Morbidus looks like he's starting to participate more now.
JieXian has put pressure on Mr Zentor, who actually has virtually no content
Threesr might be replaced he is doing so little. If he's not replaced I'm gonna be worried.
Mr. Zentor is the scariest lurker for me right now.
So when you look at it, the lurker issue really isn't that bad this game.
So thrawn, when you say lurkers are making this game "unplayable" that is kinda bs.
Lurker issue really isn't that bad this game ? For real ?
On December 16 2012 05:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Yup that's my rule for this game. kill lurkers before scumreads
Ah, nevermind...
Conclusion
Kush is most certainly scum
I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush.
GG guys,
Y u no concede ?
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##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0
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That's so unsportsmanlike to shit up the thread like this
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On December 18 2012 08:18 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 On the contrary, all evidence I've presented has been ignored with false claims being made that I had presented none... Given that you should be voting for yourself (since you ignored both cases I made).
Your cases are shit...
See the kind of posts I make. I expect even more than that from you right now.
Stop shitting the thread and post an extensive case against Cheesecake.
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On December 18 2012 08:33 Eywa- wrote:
I've made my case, civilian likely to be voted out today again, good job mafia.
##unvote
##vote eywa-
I'm going to eat, later.
Present an extensive case please...
@ Kush
What do you think of him self-voting ?
Could you address my case this time please ?
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@ MrZentor
Your speculation is totally useless and wrong. Cut the crap and start contributing for real.
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On December 18 2012 08:57 MrZentor wrote:
Only scum would know whether it's correct or not.
Just sayin'
That's why you should stop, if you are not scum of course. We have no fucking way of knowing what scum would do or not do. Maybe they are just trolling us. I could totally imagine that right now...
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