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hapa do have a read at my quote from the mafia qt in the post above
They actually thought and still think that "nobody" would have won the election
Remember how kush thought that my "sabotage" won you the game?
On December 28 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 11:52 kushm4sta wrote:
you guys dont realize it but jx actually won this game for you.
so you were going to elect no one as witch, since no one had the majority vote.
what you actually wanted was to abstain instead of vote no one.
djo and I were counting on no one getting witchcraft.
but jx made fixed that problem and fooled me into thinking the no one/abstain thijg didn't work BH messaged me saying that you can vote for "no-one" as you don't vote for a person. Or you can vote for "nobody" and that means nobody at all gets the powers. I voted for "no-one" per his response. Either way the plan should have worked.
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On December 29 2012 03:05 gonzaw wrote:
JX, I still don't understand your vote on ghost.
These would be the votes (in order):
Djo->Mr CC
Hapa -> ghost
JX -> ghost
If Djo & Hapa are town, Mr CC would have 1 vote, and ghost would have 2 votes, thus ghost gets elected
If Djo is scum and Hapa town, ghost has 2 votes thus gets elected
If both Djo and Hapa are scum, ghost gets 1 vote and thus gets elected
If Djo is town and Hapa scum, Mr CC gets 1 vote first and thus gets elected.
The only advantage of your plan was being sure that Mr CC would get elected if Djo was town and Hapa was scum.....in every other scenario you have no idea who is the real scum and you basically wasted that witchcraft vote. If both Djo and Hapa are town, you even "confirmed" Djo as scum and lost town the game.
Not only that, but even if you tried to figure any of those situations out...other townies don't know if you are town or scum so they have even more scenarios to take into account, for instance "If JX is town and telling the truth then..." and "If JX is scum and lying then...".
Imagine this: you and Djo are the scumteam
What happens? Exactly what happened before, ghost gets elected and Djo is "confirmed scum". Well....you, as scum, just claim you voted ghost, post those "bullshit" reasons for voting him, and now Djo is no longer "confirmed scum" because, if people assume you are town, there is a chance Djo is town (if Hapa is town as well). Now town, instead of having 1 confirmed town or 1 confirmed scum have no idea what to do.
Now, imagine you (as town) claimed as you did on D5 before Djo gets lynched (or even in N4). What does town believe? That you legitimately voted ghost for those reasons you posted or that you are Djo's scumbuddy trying to avoid getting him lynched because he's not "confirmed scum" anymore?
EDIT: Of course the obvious question is "What if Djo was town?"
Excuse my skipping and skimming to the end but I really thought djo was town because that plan was about to cost him the game were he scum and it didn't make sense to me that he'd have absolutely no resistance towards the plan.
Djo and Kush (would be the next target along with me if djo flips town) had nothing to gain as scum, be it as a team or seperately, would agree to the plan. I mean they'd look good during the day but come night djo will be instantly be labelled as scum.
Therefore, dismissing a bluff that made no long term sense, I conjured up theories of how hapa/mrcc/ghost could be mafia and how they would have something to gain since hapa was the one who proposed the plan
in retrospect my vote would be useless even if Djo was town and hapa was scum since I voted for ghost after hapa did.
Edit:
If Djo & Hapa are town, Mr CC would have 1 vote, and ghost would have 2 votes, thus ghost gets elected
If Djo is town and Hapa scum, Mr CC gets 1 vote first and thus gets elected.
Since I thought convinced that Djo was town, this was precisely why I didn't claim and was getting kush to do so. Like I said that was the only pro town thing I did.
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nah I wasn't assuming, I was convinced that djo was town for reasons stated above.
Actually my vote on ghost was placed very very late in D4, when I was already convinced by kush and djo were townie.
I never thought too much about protecting myself that way because I wasn't trying to save myself but to save town (or at least who I thought were town). If the argument came up in D5 that I was protecting Djo I'd use the same argument that I'm using now: he did nothing to stop the plan which was about to expose him.
Edit: understood your question
My vote on ghost which actually helped my pro-town decision making was actually a coincidence and because I didn't make allowance for town hapa when I placed that vote. I had a wrong idea about the voting mechanics too (that only town would be notified if they won) when I posted some long babble about the PLAN and its possible outcomes
I only came to a realisation after ghost won, that my vote was telling me that hapa could very well be townie
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On December 29 2012 04:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Agreed MrCc. With the exceptions of Hapa, DP, Thrawn, and maybe MrZ, this game should be looked back on as a cautionary tale. Trying to justify bad play after the fact isn't helping anyone to learn from their mistakes.
nah dyh you played well imo I never suspected you much. The last time I did something stupid as town I commended scum's play because he fooled me well and I overlooked him. He knew what he was doing. Actually he kinda has your style too. So that's a lesson to take home.
I never suspected that kush and djo were together like marv said, their distancing was really good I have to give them credit for that.
Marv luckily I realised that 1 important point before I blew =( I already said why I didn't think it was a townie led plan.
I learnt from my mistakes alright, which is that people may not shoot the best town to screw with 1 guy and some might actually not mind going along with a plan that would sign their GG.
I learnt that it's stupid to assume people won't make stupid decisions or decisions that seem stupid to me.
Hapa I seriously still find some parts of your playstyle to be scummy and I guess that's just your town style.
I'd like to think that I'm not an idiotic sore loser and I'll gladly give credit to kush and djo where it's due : good distancing, screwing with my mind by not shooting hapa (though I won't play that way) but definitely not your "bluff" on Hapa's plan.
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no no no no no I've told you enough times. Since you won't listen to me and I'm sick of repeating the same thing I'd need blazinghand to clarify on how the voting system is
Kush, in fact, this is very good for us
Because people are going to vote for "nobody"
They have to cast the Witchcraft vote, they cannot send nothing. If they follow the rules, "nobody" is going to win. There is not going to be any blues next round. That's perfect !
I think that the order of the votes went like this
Cheese -> "nobody"
Hapa -> "ghost"
Hopefully,then, JieXian and ghost are going to vote as well
JieXian -> "nobody"
Ghost -> "nobody"
Then, "nobody" becomes blue, that's the rule. If they miss it for the rest of the day, then it's totally OK
I'm going to look not so bad because I accepted the thing. If JieXian complains, he is going to look bad. So, yeah, don't worry ^^
@Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ?
I'm not asking to know which one of Hapa and Cheese voted first ^^
@Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ?
My vote didn't change anything except my own decision making. My CLAIM would've.
oh ya for that matter, if it works the way you think it works, there's absoluely no reason why Mr Nobody shouldn't win with 2 votes to 2 since I voted very late.
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eh? what about this line? this was the loophole you were referring to?
can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves-- a self-vote is an abstain.
Wasn't hapas plan about asking everyone to abstain
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ok...... then I'd suggest better wording next game and maybe include a detailed explaination like the no-lynch vote one because
X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers
"Nobody" can't win something or choose powers.
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ok then, didn't notice that at all
sucks to have went through that mindfuck because of loopholes
to the vets, might it be a great strategy to go nuts at the strongest townie players so that mafia won't shoot him*? :D
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On January 02 2013 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I think typically the best strategy as a townie is to push your scumreads, and defend your townreads if they are in danger of getting lynched. Your goal in this setup isn't really to avoid getting shot, since every townie basically has the same role-- Acolyte. Trying to appear unhelpful to avoid getting shot doesn't really help the town, and though you live longer, you are likely less useful as a result.
oh shit actually I meant won't shoot the strongest townie player***
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