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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 22 2012 15:11 Djodref wrote: Yeah, but that also means that you have been calling me scum all game without knowing why. I had a hunch from the beginning of the game when you were obsessed with witchhunters and you said OMG GUYS NO TOWN READS. Then you yourself confirmed my bias with your consistently scummy posts. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
it's called scumhunting....... | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On December 22 2012 17:34 Djodref wrote: Actually, Kush's case is not as bad as I thought, I couldn't read everything carefully for my phone. It doesn't change the fact that the conclusion is wrong but he is a least trying to scumhunt. Something that I'm still waiting from JieXian or Eywa. I could see them as the scumteam, but I'm not sure of it. I'm going to see if one of them can convince me that he is town before the deadline. Again, my vote is available if we need to consolidate on of them. @ ghost Your conclusion is wrong so I guess that your starting hypothesis are wrong as well. And I would appreciate you to read the whole thread. You could provide us great insight with your new eyes. And you are also in a very good position to do so because you are confirmed town with Hapa. Scum Hapa would have never gave a green check on you, and never pushed DYH lynch. But in the improbable case where both Hapa and you are town, I just have to say GG  wtf is this post. Exactly what conclusion am I wrong about? And how is this case of Hapa and Ghost both being town GG? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On December 23 2012 00:19 kushm4sta wrote: also you kept saying nitpicking... "why so nitpicking?" it's called scumhunting....... That's what he always said when i tunneled him as scum, nitpicking :p | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I'm seeing how it can be a possiblity. Djodref only goes on eywa AFTER hapa does. Then he leaves eywa very quickly without any fuss at all. Djo's relation to eywa: out of literally no where he says this after a case on me: On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote: Kush is most certainly scum I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush. GG guys, Y u no concede ? Possibly at this point he thought an Eywa lynch was inevitable, and it certainly looked like that at the time. Then he votes Eywa. His reasons sound like they are justifying a policy lynch. On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote: ##Vote Eywa Doesn't even take time to read a case. Town atmosphere = shit constructive discussion = 0 Then he unvotes Eywa very quickly just because he starts participating more. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 21 2012 09:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Okay, so the three candidate for scum are Djodref, Eywa, and JieXian. Everyone else is pretty much confirmed town at this point (barring myself). Two of these guys pretty much has to be scum. I will be looking at their interactions with each other. Notes - Djo doesn't want to lynch DYH. Scumtell? Maybe. But I highly doubt he would give a huge post about me being town and force himself down the road of bussing his scumbuddy. I think if he were to bus, he would have been way more forceful with it. His Kush mislynch was obviously not catching traction, and a scum Djo would have just bussed and went along for the ride. He genuinely seems to believe that Kush is scum over DYH. - Djo isn't that scummy on his own. Scumhunting, general thread contribution, he's the least scummy of the three up for lynch today. Not telling, but something. - Eywa thinks scumteam is Djo / Hapa / Myself - JieXian thinks scumteam is Hapa / Myself - Eywa and JieXian are both very scummy on their own merit, and do NOT vote for DYH in the end. Especially Eywa. He thinks he has the scumteam all figured out, but votes for Mr.Z...? Both of them have scumslips and defend each other. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Djo + JieXian scumteam - Highly Unlikely Djo has had it out for JX the entire game. He has a case D1 and a vote. And now he wants to lynch him today. A majority of Djo's filter is aruging with JX and highlighting him as scum. Here are Djo's cases against him for reference: + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote: JieXian I'll tunnel and then I'll tunnel, but I'm also going to back it up with some speculation Intro I'm glad to introduce you my new case against JieXian. I'm going to present you the following points which are proving that JieXian is scum.
Part I --- His OP with le scumslip I'd like to remind you here my previous case against JieXian. I've updated it a little, but it is still standing. + Show Spoiler [Jiexian's scumslip] + JieXan Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote: Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post. I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on) Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame. Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. Some additional comments: JieXian didn't state at all that he had town reads on DP and Hapa in the first post. If he had town reads, why not explaining his townreads first, and then counterbalancing them with the small things he found suspicious ? Also why enter the thread by giving town reads ? The answer is that this post was meant to spread suspicion on DP and Hapa. The problem (for JX), is the scumslip. Please also not the vote for MrZentor for a very weak reason, and that MrZentor has also been pushed by DYH. Part II --- Cheese's Tunnel Here are the reasons I could find which JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Cheese.
The fact that Cheese didn't want to risk a no-lynch to follow a vote on thrawn which made little sense from JieXian's perspective is perfectly acceptable and is quite pro-town. I'm not going to explain here why no-lynches are bad for town, at the exception of MYLO situation, but we can develop this point in the post game if you want. And yet, JieXian proceeded to clutter the thread forcefully with his obsession of Cheese, avoiding constructive discussion on the subject. He dismissed any argument that we presented supporting a town Cheese: Hapa, Kush and me have made some posts in CC's favor and we got no comment on them. Just some "lol, you are scum with CC" type of comments. He didn't want to discuss the fact that preventing a no-lynch is rather pro-town than anti-town. Here is the case which allowed JieXian to call scum all game. Do I need to remind you that Cheese was DYH's contender for the lynch ? JieXian was pushing his scum agenda here. + Show Spoiler [JieXan's case] + On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote: Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? Pretty weak to call someone scum during all game... Part III --- Hapa's Tunnel I'm not sure if I really understood the reasons that JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Hapa.
First of all, it was obvious that Hapa's lynch was not going to happen. But by cluttering the thread, barking that Hapa was scum, JieXian is achieving the following objectives. He disrupts the thread and creates a bad atmosphere in the town, while discrediting the strongest town player of this game. He also diverts the attention from DYH's lynch which was gaining some momentum. Please also note, that once again, he's avoiding constructive discussion on Hapa. Guess what, I've never got this short list of arguments. Nor a proper case against Hapa. And he could never admit that his speculation was certainly bad. Like, Hapa has been voted blue because DP was ! Him being so obsessed with this leads me to think that he is the Witch Hunter and that he has maybe tried to shoot DP and Hapa at the beginning of N1. The speculation achieves two objectives: making townies doubting Hapa and encouraging them to talk about their votes, if the mafia team has still a bullet. It is soft-bluehunting, if you want... Part IV --- Lynch Derailments Morbidius Lynch I think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH Lynch One thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. Part V --- Association with DYH I don't think that I have to mention again that JieXian forcefully tried to get DYH out of the lynch. But, on top of that we have all this posts where JieXian is defending DYH. + Show Spoiler [Jx posts to try to save DYH] + Here is tried to get Kush on his side, and he finally tries to vote MrZentor (?!) with the worst reason ever... On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote: #unvote ##Vote MrZentor I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town. hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was That makes at least 4 mafia in this game, with most of them being really looking townies, even before DYH flips. And before that we had On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote: I call SCUMPSLIP To try to get people vote you I guess. And also look how he tries to talk MrZentor out of DYH lynch... On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote: ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks will try to wake up in time for lynch Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement. djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense On December 20 2012 02:53 JieXian wrote: wth ? he thought I was scum and let go and he still thinks eywa is scum I also found this one, which I really like  And here comes JieXian answer ^^ No you ! Conclusion JieXian is Scum ! We have to lynch him tomorrow ! Djo has been pushing for his lynch all game. I find it highly unlikely that these two are both scum. If Djo is truly scum, he would not be pushing for his buddy's lynch now of all times. A JX + Djo scumteam is very unlikely. Djo + Eywa scumteam - Possible In general, these two have been very antagonistic the entire game. Djo votes Eywa, Eywa thinks Djo is in the scumteam with me and Hapa... Djo flips out on him, etc. Here are some examples: + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote: I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush. GG guys, Y u no concede ? This snippet is taken from his case on Kush. He really prefers a Eywa lynch, however. If they were scumbuddies, why would Djo push the bus instead of the mislynch? It doesn't really make any sense. On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote: ##Vote Eywa Doesn't even take time to read a case. Town atmosphere = shit constructive discussion = 0 Votes Eywa hastily on D2. On December 18 2012 08:27 Djodref wrote: Your cases are shit... See the kind of posts I make. I expect even more than that from you right now. Stop shitting the thread and post an extensive case against Cheesecake. Discredits Eywa, calls his cases shit. Then, Eywa calls Djo scumteam with me + Hapa, and here is his response: On December 18 2012 13:31 Djodref wrote: WTF ! Suddendly I'm scum ? I'm not here to participate into your shitfest and that makes me scum ? Let me be clear I live in South Korea, most of the discussion here happens at night for me I have another game going on wich requires much attention and time for me I don't want to participate into this kind of discussions I provided some good cases that almost everybody has dismissed or discarded If you think I'm scum, you have to write a case against me. Something I could answer to. I cannot accept to let you throw away 'Djodref is possible scum' or 'Djodref is scum' comments like this. But I'm glad that this shitfest is over, seriously... This doesn't really look like two teammates purposefully fighting the thread. On December 18 2012 22:45 Djodref wrote: What I'm doing is called scumhunting. I'm giving criminal cases on the people I'm suspicious of, to gauge their defense, and also to start constructive discussion about them from all the members. The problem here is that nobody commented nor addressed my cases so far. It doesn't make me scum, it should make me town. That's why I was keeping asking you for a "criminal case" against Cheesecake. I've read your cases but I didn't like them because I didn't understand what you were trying to prove. I like lists and concision. So could you make a list with your main points against Cheesecake, please ? More fighting between the two. On December 19 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote: Dear Eywa, Believe me or not, but I'm town. If you are town, you are going to need my vote against CC, if you are really certain that he is scum, so your job should be to convince me that he is indeed scum. I've explained why I thought he was town, althought I'm not totally sure of it. I'm open to discuss anything. On the other hand, I do believe that Kush is scum, and I think that I've provided good points to show it. So I would like to discuss a Kush lynch with you. See, I have town interest in mind. Could we discuss for real now ? On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote: Let's play a game Kush, DYH, Drazak I reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list More fighting, I really don't see them as scumbuddies right now. On December 20 2012 03:57 Djodref wrote: And then we just lynch them one by one in the following days ? All of them have no fucking reason to lynch CC. On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote: Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... Final rage post. This could have all been orchestrated, but I find it unlikely. The only merit a Djo + Eywa scumteam has is the Djo defends him: + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 14:50 Djodref wrote: I don't think Eywa is scum. It's not necessarily a good argument but I don't see a first time scum player do this. How did you feel like the first time to play scum ? For me, I was not comfortable posting the first time, at least not the first day. Even if it is was part of a scumteam strategy, I don't know how his team mates could have thought to send the newb go head-on against Hapa would be a good idea. And, yeah, his behavior is quite anti-town, and he slipped hardcore, but he looks also genuine and honest, and shows true passion Also he has made some efforts lately. I would like your own comments on Kush, please... Eywa + JieXian scumteam - Most likely Okay, everyone seems to be saying they don't think this is the case. Pray tell me, why? Too obvious? I don't know. Just look at this post: He's buddying together himself and Eywa, calling Hapa's read ludicrous and him an idiot. And here's this: Yes, of course Eywa is town. More of JX referring to him and Eywa as a unit. He is defending BOTH himself and Eywa in this post: Okay, just look at THIS one: This quote occurs on page 57 of the thread. He asks me to convince people of my argument concerning the witchhunter shot. I have to convince him, okay. I have to convince Zentor, alright he's in this dicussion. I have to convince Eywa... what? Where is he in this conversation? If you look back in the thread a few pages, Eywa is nowhere to be found. His last post is talking about Hapa's "scumslip", nothing to do with the witchhunter shot. Why does JX want me to convice Eywa of something that he's not even discussing? Okay so I'm going to cut this short and just give a synopsis: I think JX + Eywa scumteam has a real possibility, and nobody should be discounting it. Both of these guys refused to consider DYH for a lynch. They buddy each other hardcore and attack me and Hapa, taking every little opportunity to do so and use terribly shit logic. Neither of them voted for Morb, the lurker lynch. Only one scum had to be on the lynch wagon for it to go through. The other two were free to hop on anyone else they wanted to and subsequently flame the town for pushing a mislynch. Admittedly, Djodref is there too, but he does not throw it in anyone's face and accepts it. The two scum, however, have different plans and use this to their advantage by attempting to gain town credit. Final thoughts Djo looks scummy mainly because of his reluctance to lynch DYH... but Kush also had reluctance. I don't think this is definitive of a scumtell. Neither Eywa nor JX pushed the scum lynch. Neither of them have done jack shit this game besides tunnel me or Hapa. Both of them are horrendously anti-town. Scums goal is to pick on the weakest town -- and at the time I was the weakest town, because of my lack of scumhunting and admitted sheeping. Unfortunately for them I had some more time on my hands later in the game. I'm not stupid, and neither is the rest of the town. I really do believe they are the scumteam. Even if it seems too obvious, sometimes that's the solution. I'm going to vote Eywa because A) He deserves it. B) He's 100% scum C) I'd rather lynch him over Djo right now. This is entertaining possibilities provided you are town. Djo does defend Eywa for some reason. But they fight all over the thread. I think JX + Eywa is far more likely than djo / eywa | ||
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kushm4sta
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On December 23 2012 00:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: That's what he always said when i tunneled him as scum, nitpicking :p So you are saying when he was TOWN, he used to word nitpicking to defend himself? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On December 23 2012 00:53 kushm4sta wrote: So you are saying when he was TOWN, he used to word nitpicking to defend himself? Always from what I can remember. Nothing telling, could use it in his scumgames too idk. | ||
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ghost_403
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I'm voting Djodref today. Why? Because of this! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0zWWt.png) Figure 1. I dare you to click on this. Djodref is right, I should take the time to go back and reread some of the earlier parts of the game. Because I refuse to read 100 pages of what is lamentably called "standard TL mafia", I decided to go back and take some time to reread his filter. Just his. It all started with this post. + Show Spoiler [DRAZ IS TOTES SCUM] + On December 20 2012 11:00 Djodref wrote: I agree that Drazak has the most chances to flip scum right now. I would have Jx and Eywa as possible scum mates, Kush is still on the list, but behind. I'm not totally sold on a town Kush yet, because he hasn't be insta shot when he revealed, because he is filter is really scummy and also because nothing prevents mafia from being elected to the WC votes. And they would know that DYH would be a green check. But that would be very very ballsy to play like this. I also have to admit that the fact that kush was reasonable and finally lynched DYH is speaking in his favor. I'm not dropping Kush, but I don't think that we should lynch him tomorrow. Me being the kind fellow who replaced one Mr. Drazak, I wondered to myself what kind of horrible things my predecessor did to Djodref in the thread before I came along. So I opened up his filter and took a look. I must admit, I was a bit surprised to find that he'd been tunneling Draz/me all game long for doing very little. That makes me sad. For any of you who wonders what a full game of tunneling looks like, see the figure below. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MiEx0.png) Figure 2. For someone who's definitely totally probably scum, sure hasn't said a whole lot about him. My curiosity got the best of me. Wonder how much he said about Kush? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/keEh5.png) Figure 3. I don't even have anything witty to say here. Holy hell. And what about the only confirmed scum in the game? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kfx5x.png) Figure 3. Annotated for your convenience! Well, now, ain't that interesting. Let's take a closer look at a few of those DYH posts. PUNT! + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2012 13:49 Djodref wrote: Honestly, regarding DYH, I can't remember exactly what he has done in this game. I could totally imagine him or drazak being mafia given their general lack of emotional involment during the shitfest. I need to look at them both, but I would prefer to do it from a computer. Regarding Kush, I don't remember him mentioning finals, but right now I could have him as scum for activity alone. He's really avoiding to answer some questions. I have personal concerns regarding him because he s keeping saying that I'm mafia without backing it up. I would gadly unvote Eywa for Kush if Eywa keeps on contributing like he started to do. I would lynch Kush over DYH + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2012 16:01 Djodref wrote: meh.. Right now, I would lynch Kush over DYH. I really think he has more chances to flip scum than DYH. I really need to see more from DYH and drazak though... Let's not lynch DYH + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 15:30 Djodref wrote: By the way, Hapa, I still really prefer a Kush lynch to a DYH lynch. How can I convince you to switch your vote to Kush ? I guess we could lynch DYH, if we haaaaave tooooo + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 16:05 Djodref wrote: I could support a DYH lynch if you need to consolidate, but in the meantime I'll try to push my lynch on Kush. He shouldn't have tried to go after me, I'm not an easy mislynch anymore, like in NMM XXIX ! I'm also peacing out I have RL stuff to do. I'll try to stay up tonight... Here's why other people think he's scum! + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote: @ JieXan Here is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway...
@ Eywa Could you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes Fine, lynch him. + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 03:23 Djodref wrote: Bleh, you guys are the most stubborn idiots I have ever played with. It's time to consolidate, because town is going pants on head once again. I'm voting DYH for the reasons given in my list above... ##Unvote ##Vote DYH The guy I'm voting for is TOTALLY NOT SCUM. + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote: But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out. He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter. I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch. Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... It's funny, because at no point during Djo's conversation regarding DYH does he ever say "I don't think that DYH is scum." Clearly, he does think that DYH is scum, but just not as much as Kush, so let's not lynch DYH. This is classic mafia behavior. He KNOWS that DYH is guilty. Clearly, he's being forced to vote for him here because he needs to be on the right side of this lynch. That's why he's so reluctant to vote DYH, and that's why he did it anyway. It's funny that, a bit after the DYH lynch, he accuses JX of trying to derail the DYH lynch, when that's the only thing that he's done the entire game is tunnel Kush. And that's why I'm voting to lynch him today. | ||
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##unvote ##vote djodref gogo djodref wagon | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On December 23 2012 01:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Ghost, if Djo is scum his only reasonable scumteam member is Eywa (or me, but I have the knowledge of being town). We need to consolidate our votes. You're problem with my post that says "DJODREF'S BEHAVIOR PERFECTLY MATCHES THAT OF SCUM" is "I'm not sure who we should lynch next, so let's forget about it?" Seriously? Hell no. You get on my wagon or show me why my wagon is wrong. | ||
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Djodref
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On December 23 2012 00:19 kushm4sta wrote: also you kept saying nitpicking... "why so nitpicking?" it's called scumhunting....... Because you take my posts out of context to make them say what you want. | ||
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