EPTthat's illegal because she is only 17
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kushm4sta
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that's illegal because she is only 17 | ||
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Djodref
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On December 22 2012 14:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: It's okay Djo, I'm defending you right now. Perty sure ur town brah. Vote Eywa. Scumteam is Eywa / Kush or Eywa / JX. I need to catch-up with the thread first. I had Jx, drazak and then Eya/Kush as possible scum before grush came back green. So yeah, pretty sure that both scum are among JieXian, Eywa and Kush now. Why Eywa above JieXian ? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On December 22 2012 14:49 Djodref wrote: I need to catch-up with the thread first. I had Jx, drazak and then Eya/Kush as possible scum before grush came back green. So yeah, pretty sure that both scum are among JieXian, Eywa and Kush now. Why Eywa above JieXian ? A) Eywa is scummier by far. B) Kush kept trying to push a JX lynch / was always suspect of him. Kush + JX is super unlikely. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Ewya: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=112#2232 Anyway, that's my last post for a while. I'll be busy the rest of the night. See y'alls tomorrow! | ||
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kushm4sta
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##vote eywa happy cheesecake? Did i mention I had sex yet? | ||
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Djodref
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On December 22 2012 14:45 kushm4sta wrote: djo how was I a jackass to you? i never meant to be. I was not purposefully waiting for you to leave to write the case. also i did not just meet a virgin I also had sex with her. just need to clarify that. Can you not understand how the sudden start of a new relationship plus finals week would be a huge time sink for me? It's not being a jackass to me. But you have failed to address my cases against you nor present any arguments for a scum Djodref for a long time. That's what I meant for you being a jackass. I can make a list of my arguments supporting a scum Jx, a scum Eywa and a scum Kush in 5 minutes. So I don't understand what time you were missing to do this before I was going to take my plane. Intentional or not, I took it realle bad. Jx -tunnels Cheese and Hapa to avoid contributing -defends DYH and tries to derail his lynch -scumslip -blue hunts by leading the discussion on speculation topics Eywa -tunnels Cheese to avoid contributing -flames and disrupts the thread to create a bad town atmosphere where town can't share good arguments -does not scumhunt -scumslip Kush -avoids to scumhunt or contribute with his lurker obsession -avoids questions and cases addressed to him -tunnels djo all game to avoid speaking of the other players -scumslip | ||
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kushm4sta
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well my case against you involved shit from you filter so i had to read through your filter. it took about an hour to do it, maybe more. | ||
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Djodref
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On December 22 2012 15:01 kushm4sta wrote: still going to bed but I will say one more thing. well my case against you involved shit from you filter so i had to read through your filter. it took about an hour to do it, maybe more. Yeah, but that also means that you have been calling me scum all game without knowing why. | ||
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Djodref
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On December 22 2012 14:54 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote ##vote eywa happy cheesecake? Did i mention I had sex yet? Could you give us more reasoning for that vote ? I wonder if it's scum you bussing Eywa or scum you diverting the Jx lynch or just town you... | ||
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Djodref
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On December 21 2012 06:10 kushm4sta wrote: PART 1 (more parts inc.) I'm going to make this meta comparison easy for you guys: here is a d1 megapost from town djo: So this a djo case as town. TOWM + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2012 14:07 Djodref wrote: I'm betting that you didn't really notice him because this guys is sure blending in First of all, I would like to say that Clarity is non-committal with his reads. Please have a look at the different posts in the following spoiler. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 18:43 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't think it's directed at you specifically, but it's interesting that you think it is. The reason Cheese said to not drop the newbie card is because it's not town behavior. When you are town you want people to believe you, if you come out of the gate saying you're awful and no one should listen to you then that's anti-town. It also prevents scum from using "omg sorry I'm just new!", the less excuses scum have available the better for town. My reads at this point in time: Obzy: Leaning slightly town. He hasn't quite come out of his shell yet but he seems genuinly interested in discussion and progressing. @ Obzy Do you think you can get over this "I'm new" thing and give us the best reads you've got? Instead of posting something that's obvious to everyone perhaps post something that stands out to you. _ Rad: Null. He's being more careful than last game, lurking a bit more. He mentioned he would be more careful, but not in pregame, he did this after the role PMs were sent. He also seems really invested in helping Obzy out as he's the newest, the only one here who wasn't in XXIX. @ Rad Why the interest in Obzy? Are you going to use MLG as an excuse at any point this weekend? _ Alsn: Leaning slightly scum, very little info about him though. He opened super aggressive this game, which is the opposite of how he played in the majority of XXIX. Perhaps the only reason he snapped at debears so hard is because debears said @ Alsn Why the change in behavior from last game? What do you think of debears at this point? _ Mr Cheesecake: Null. He went SUPER defensive when he was called out about making a ton of jokes, but that discussion got blown way out of proportion. The fact that he's acting more like the way he was in mafia QT XXIX than in the actual XXIX thread is indicative of town. @ Cheese You did have some jokes in the XXIX thread. Can you tell us if these were jokes for the sake of jokes or if you used them to push a scum agenda? An argument can be made for both. _ Djodref: Leaning slightly scum, He was obsessed with policy. Everyone was ready to move on but he kept mentioning it over and over. He's also the person that blew up the whole *Cheese's scum joke* thing, which bogged us down for a couple of pages. @ Djodref If you had to lynch someone right now, would it be da0ud or someone else? _ Debears: Null. Regardless of if he's scum or town, he is getting the ball rolling which is good for us. Problem is... that was what he was doing in XXIX as well and he was scum in that. Older games suggest this is simply his meta so there is no read to be made about his opening. What I'm curious about is if he's going to pull a vanishing act in D2 / D3 again. @ Debears What's your ready on Obzy? _ Sylverfire: Null. Only have 3 real posts to read him on. He opened really aggressive onto debears, even though he's keeping the ball rolling, an odd choice. He showed up way late but Rad pointed out that he is sticking to the same schedule he's had in previous games. @ Sylverfire You've only shared your read on debears, is there anything else that stands out to you? _ So with all that said, I only have two slight scumreads on Alsn and Djo, so I hope they defend themselves as soon as possible. Even if we end up lynching da0ud for lurking, currently with 0 posts, we can at least gather as much information as possible Hopefully this gets some discussion going, please comment on as much as possible in my post and point out any flaws. Do no avoid answering the questions I addressed to you, it would be a very scummy thing to do. This post is full of null reads or slight reads, it speaks for itself. On November 03 2012 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote: My two weak scumreads are still you and Alsn, but that's what they are... weak. My post is simply to gather as much info as possible. I will end up making a case before the day is over, but I figured giving this thread a good kick would help. Weak scumreads on Alsn on me On November 04 2012 04:38 Clarity_nl wrote: <snip> I am no longer suspect of Alsn, at least not as much. Although he seems to have a hard on for debears and djo he's making decent points and trying to further conversation. Debears... I'm not quite sure. The stubbornness about sylver's post where he said he has a lot of fluff really shouldn't have been that big of a deal, he just couldn't let it go. Maybe Rad is on to something. Drops Alsn and is wishy washy about debears Then Clarity is also using double-standards, he has being reproaching Rad not to scumhunt but have you seen Clarity scumhunting ? You might argue that he has put pressure on daoud but he has conveniently done it while it was Saturday night in Hong Kong. And given daoud lurky habits, it's an easy target to attack. Clarity has been defensive when I was trying to give him advice after his post with his reads. The point I really don't like in his reaction is the fact that he said that he didn't make a list. Regarding the plurality lynch, we have individually to focus on our scum reads but town in general should not focus on only two players. By the way, you have failed to put pressure on me or Alsn, but we were your scum reads. In conclusion FoS Clarity Now this is this game's equivalent: SCUM + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2012 12:50 Djodref wrote: JieXan First of all, I liked DYH latest case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote: @DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again. I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now. His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ. A behavior read. An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM. Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start? Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. And then just proceeds to tunnel MrZ, which has not given us so much to work from. Right now, I think that JieXan has the most chances to flip scum. Hence my vote. ##Vote Jiexan READ BOTH there is a distinct difference. Even though he is incorrect in the town post, there is a lot more certainty in the tone of the case. Town djo thinks his cases are right. Scum djo knows they are wrong. This post regarding my meta is bad. He doesn't even point out what the differences he supposedely see i my play. This shows that Kush has serious confirmation bias towards me, regardless of his alignment. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 21 2012 06:21 kushm4sta wrote: K im just going to make this a series and publish it in installments. Djo's behavior gets scummier and scummier the closer to the lynch it is. This is about d1 lynch: So he is ok with lynching SEVEN people. Basically everyone except DYH ofc. Once again, Kush is totally discarding the context of this post. At that point in time, there was so much inactivity in this thread that both DYH AND Drazak were not on my lurker list. Things were like that at that time, drazak and DYH were active in comparison of the other players. And yeah, the point of bringing a policy lynch is to force the lurkers to post. Also please note that I mention JieXian, Kush and Eywa as possible lynches for today, and I'm going to eat my hat if one of them is not scum. Kush's point is not valid here and I really saw red when CC went "this is damning". | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 21 2012 06:37 kushm4sta wrote: So this is what djo says in the conclusion of his megacase against me: That SAME day he posts this later: Notice the reluctance against lynching DYH here. "meh" lol. Also he was SOOO sure about Ewya but completely sheeps hapa's reversal on the matter. Regarding his first quote here, it's from a post that I was supposed to bring up just before the start of D2 but I was unable to wake up to post it. So I posted it first during a middle of a shitfest then again from my phone because I thought it didn't get any attention. As I was from my phone, I couldn't update my read on Eywa. And yes, Eywa was starting to make sense and contributing at that time, so I was sharing Hapa's views on him before I wrote the post that you quoted first. It's totally reasonable to change your mind, the problem here is the time span, but it's because it was a repost that I couldn't update. And, once again, this is something that Kush didn't care to mention at all. So, yeah, he is framing me here. | ||
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Djodref
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Djodref
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On December 21 2012 07:07 kushm4sta wrote: He keeps stressing that DYH is scummy, but he's the LEAST likely to flip scum. Classic soft defense stance. The following quotes are leading up to the d2 lynch. They demonstrate his reluctance to lynch DYH. More DYH love: Djo really doesn't want to lynch DYH... Oh he's willing to vote DYH..but only if everyone else does. K finally he votes DYH, but it was totally his idea ("for the reasons given in his list above") This is also a good point. But I really though that you were scum at that time. I actively tried to push your lynch. And you could still be DYH's partner, it's not like you claimed having a green check on him. Also, I have never said that DYH's lynch was my idea. I never tried to get towncred for my lynch. I simply gave my reasons for why I thought he could be scum. And, yes, at the time of my vote, we needed consolidation and focus. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
##Vote JieXian | ||
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Djodref
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@ ghost Your conclusion is wrong so I guess that your starting hypothesis are wrong as well. And I would appreciate you to read the whole thread. You could provide us great insight with your new eyes. And you are also in a very good position to do so because you are confirmed town with Hapa. Scum Hapa would have never gave a green check on you, and never pushed DYH lynch. But in the improbable case where both Hapa and you are town, I just have to say GG  | ||
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Eywa-
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On December 22 2012 14:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If it's me and djo, and eywa flips town. you can just lynch me and him the next two days and win. Hapa is town, unless you don't want to count that DT check. Unless Hapa/Ghost Scum team. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
mr z got a green check on ghost. So I think this is impossible. | ||
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