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The discussion between Eywa and Hapa starts at page 70 !
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Also, just to give you some heads-up, I'm going to take a flight back to Paris in 12 hours for my annual holidays in France.
My activity is going to drop very soon because I don't see my family and my friends in France often so they are going to resent it if I spend too much time in front of my computer. Also I don't have an internet phone back home.
Be sure that I'm going to cast my vote against JieXian tomorrow before taking my plane, if I'm still alive 
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On December 21 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 21:43 Djodref wrote:I really put some effort in this case guys... So I would really appreciate that we discuss JieXian seriously. I have thought of some other points to bring against him but I would like to see if anyone is going to mention them or not A lot of these points are also valid against Eywa, but Eywa did lynch DYH at the end, and there is less occurrences where he defends him. Please refer to the discussion between Hapa and him when they start to discuss Eywa's reads. + Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. I'm 100% certain that either JX or Eywa is scum. If JX somehow flips green, Eywa is totally flipping red. Don't think we'll have a problem here, will totally support a JX lynch tomorrow. However, if Eywa ends up being the scum, I'm putting you as his scumbuddy over Drazak
WTF ?
What is your rationale for that ? Me being scum with Eywa ? You are insulting me here MrCheese
What do you think of the two of them being the scumteam ?
I don't like how they suddenly became silent when they usually produce much garbage around that time...
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On December 21 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 21:43 Djodref wrote:I really put some effort in this case guys... So I would really appreciate that we discuss JieXian seriously. I have thought of some other points to bring against him but I would like to see if anyone is going to mention them or not A lot of these points are also valid against Eywa, but Eywa did lynch DYH at the end, and there is less occurrences where he defends him. Please refer to the discussion between Hapa and him when they start to discuss Eywa's reads. + Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. I'm 100% certain that either JX or Eywa is scum. If JX somehow flips green, Eywa is totally flipping red. Don't think we'll have a problem here, will totally support a JX lynch tomorrow. However, if Eywa ends up being the scum, I'm putting you as his scumbuddy over Drazak
In fact, I think that you have to explain me your whole reasoning for all theses hypothesis. I don't understand where you are coming from here.
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On December 21 2012 02:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 02:18 Djodref wrote:On December 21 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 21:43 Djodref wrote:I really put some effort in this case guys... So I would really appreciate that we discuss JieXian seriously. I have thought of some other points to bring against him but I would like to see if anyone is going to mention them or not A lot of these points are also valid against Eywa, but Eywa did lynch DYH at the end, and there is less occurrences where he defends him. Please refer to the discussion between Hapa and him when they start to discuss Eywa's reads. + Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. I'm 100% certain that either JX or Eywa is scum. If JX somehow flips green, Eywa is totally flipping red. Don't think we'll have a problem here, will totally support a JX lynch tomorrow. However, if Eywa ends up being the scum, I'm putting you as his scumbuddy over Drazak In fact, I think that you have to explain me your whole reasoning for all theses hypothesis. I don't understand where you are coming from here. Woa there buddy, calm yourself. Don't get all defensive. You only voted DYH because you had to. You're still less of a suspect than either of those guys. You want Drazak/JX dead apparently, and seem to defend Eywa. So does Hapa, actually, but Eywa + you would make at least a little sense. We're going to lynch JX so we'll see how that goes mmkay?
In fact, we still have plenty of time, and hopefully drazak is going to get modkilled.
I'm very interested to see what Eywa and JieXian are coming to come up with this night and also tomorrow. And I'm to decide then who is going to be lynched among them.
So I'm not going to be totally rigid on who we should lynch. But, if I had to do it right now, it would be in that order:
JieXan first, Drazak second and then Eywa/Kush.
And yeah, sorry, but I hate the idea to be associated with Eywa...
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@ Eywa
I'm not very proud of what I did yesterday, and I would like to present my excuses again. If you are town of course
If you are scum, I'll just lynch you.
Anyway, did you realize that there is almost one full page of cases against Kush on page 73 ?
Do you realize the time I've spent to make these posts ?
I felt insulted when you said 'there is no case against Kush' when you clearly had shown that you didn't read my posts.
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On December 21 2012 02:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The two of them being scum together, whew, that would actually be great. I would be restored in the faith of humanity.
@ Cheese
Yeah, but I don't want you to figure out who is scum so you can preserve your faith in your humanity.
What would be the most likely scumteam for you ?
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On December 21 2012 03:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 02:59 Djodref wrote:On December 21 2012 02:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The two of them being scum together, whew, that would actually be great. I would be restored in the faith of humanity. @ CheeseYeah, but I don't want you to figure out who is scum so you can preserve your faith in your humanity. What would be the most likely scumteam for you ? Think I said it before, JX/drazak makes the most sense for me ATM. JX is in danger of lynch, drazak starts the lurker wagon. That's all he's done this game and it fits quite well assuming JX is scum. Second scumteam would be Eywa/kush... I'm leaning off you right now.
On December 20 2012 13:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hmm JX/draz scum would fit very well. JX is up for lynch draz starts the lurker wagon, DYH hops on ASAP
This post...
Okay ! You meant morbidius wagon. I thought you were talking about the end of D2. Interesting...
I'll have to look into it.
Why are you suddenly leaning off me ?
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On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
*snip*
Djo please tell me how the hell am I playing clean lol what nonsense are you talking about. Everyone agrees that I'm messy as hell. If you mean clean as in not accusing everybody like what you're doing, I don't need to because things appear clear to me.
*snip*
You are totally twisting what I've presented.
I have made a post presenting the points I had against DYH, at your request. You didn't reply directly to this post (of course not, so why asking it at the first place ?) but you have made the a comment related to this post a few moments after.
On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes 
So there is no direct comment on this from your side. But here is what I get from another remark.
On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^ lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh
This is an OMGUS, but on the behalf of DYH. I point out to you what makes DYH scum, you take your pick, and say without justification that I'm guilty of the same sin.
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On December 21 2012 03:29 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic 1 zentor and dyh are null to me 2 scum want to lynch dyh 3 Didn't expect them to bussing 4 I vote for zentor
lol
At this point, here are your supposed premises, tell me if I'm wrong but you are supposed to believe that Hapa, CC and me are the scumteam. Is that right ? There is only 3 scum in this game so, here is what town JieXian would think.
I have already the whole scumteam so
1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH)
2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch !
3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ?
4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads
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Hello ghost !
We need you to catch up and to give us your current reads on everyone.
Just to give you the heads-up, you have replaced a very scummy guy. I believe that you are scum, but not as much as I think that JieXian is scum.
You have just claimed town, so please prove me wrong, if that's really the case.
Good luck ^^
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Hey guys !
What do you make of this post ?
On December 19 2012 11:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I have a reason for hating lurkers. It's because I obsed a game on ms where scum won the game by straight up lurkrng. They were doing a lurk strat and there was literally nothing town could do to catch them.
My lack of scumhunting, yeah but that's not because I don't have ideas. I could write a good case against djodreff I know that. Just no time. Yeah I have a few minutes now but not enough to read through his filter and compose something convincing. I am on a cell phone and its hard.
Oh and djo keep making those large text announcements it totally makes you looks town bro.
Also to the people saying either me or djo is town, just for future reference I always bus as scum, so we could definitely both be scum. :p
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On December 20 2012 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it.
I got a green check on dyh for scrying. could definitely still be scum but it's less likely. And his newer stuff does have more effort.
Come guys, Kush basically claimed scum in the thread with this post !
How come the mafia did not shot him at that point ?
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On December 20 2012 07:49 kushm4sta wrote:
k this is pretty easy from here. I'm thinking jx djodrrff scumteam.
Naysayers prepare yourself for the sickest most convincing case ever tomorrow.
I know djodreffs scum meta very well and I know he is scum.
I voted thrawn, dp, mrz.
Just for your reference
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On December 21 2012 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 09:29 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it.
I got a green check on dyh for scrying. could definitely still be scum but it's less likely. And his newer stuff does have more effort. Come guys, Kush basically claimed scum in the thread with this post ! How come the mafia did not shot him at that point ? Djo, you need to answer Kush's case. Secondly, kush did not claim scum there.
He did
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I cannot answer the case propoerly, I'm phone posting from the airport. And my plane takes off in one hour.
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On December 20 2012 05:48 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 05:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Also kush, did you breadcrumb your check on DYH? no i thought about it but then thought it would be dumb because scum could breadcrumb just as easily
Like, seriously, how can you believe this ?
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On December 19 2012 05:58 kushm4sta wrote:
have people claimed witchcrafy yet?
also hapa do you know that you were shot
kush also claimed scum here
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On December 20 2012 06:33 kushm4sta wrote:LOL ##unvote
##vote dyhI would have been better off masoning
And here again. Like masoning ?
Who is seriously considering masoning as a power to use ?
Oh wait, the scumteam has RB and masoning powers !
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On December 17 2012 10:42 kushm4sta wrote:
Scumslip is kind of worrisome but it's not in any way definitive... I did the same thing earlier actually. I called you the strongest town.
Here as well, you have a self admitted scumslip
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