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On December 22 2012 12:57 Z-BosoN wrote: Tomorrow is my last day on a computer, so yea be active dudes :D I hope to find scum until then with a winning post of GG. Marv is someone that needs to be looked at today. I'll be back this evening to play properly (grmbl christmas shopping). Bluelightz's modkill is amazing for us. Given I'm alive at LYLO (??) I'll give my best interpretation for why. I am another Veteran. I didn't crumb because I thought it would be obvious when I got shot. I am assuming however that the mafia must have a Rolecop and investigated me at some stage - so double stacking me at any point in the last few days would mean that mafia would have needed an extra mislynch to win the game. Bluelightz's flip inherently makes me more suspicious of Z-Boson and Djodref. grush... I still think is town. Certainly it seems at least one of the scummers has been playing very well despite the collapse of his team otherwise. | ||
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On December 23 2012 05:47 Djodref wrote: I agree that BL modkill is amazing for us. But, marv, you didn't even mention Hapa, so do you mean that you have him as scum ? Just got in from dinner. I didn't mention Hapa because I'm struggling to see a team without him in it, unless it's you and Z-Boson. | ||
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This is one of the primary reasons I'm so suspicious of Hapahauli. I've asked him more than once about Bluelightz and talked about the townread that me/Palmar gave on him, to try to find out why he's so keen to disagree with us. There's some history here too, in Rock Band (where hapa was town, BL was town) I again cleared BL as town through his play, while Hapa was sure of him being SK. This game could be Hapa being equally 'paranoid' of Bluelightz as town, but the explanation that's more likely is that he was using BL as a front and as the mislynch scum needed. | ||
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##Vote: Hapahauli | ||
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On December 23 2012 08:20 Hapahauli wrote: @ Marv Shortly before the N2 deadline, you posted a response to Palmar detailing your reads on the entire playerbase. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=99#1976 Notable from this post: You were thinking scum on VE, and then one of your first posts on Day 3: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=103#2059 You then attack my rationale for defending VE... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=104#2070 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=104#2072 And then... So my questions to you: 1) Why did you vote VE, when you were looking at myself, Djo, and Jay as the scumteam? 2) Can you walk us through your thought process on N2/D3 in regards to your suspicions? On December 19 2012 00:29 marvellosity wrote: Mostly because my reads were kinda in flux the relationships between jay/djo/hapa seemed to make sense when I'd done some rooting around (hapa defending djo, jay fail-pushing djo, etc), so I thought I'd see what people thought about it (hence the lack of a vote at the time). Hapa persuaded me to unvote him on time issues, and I was losing confidence in a Djo lynch That left VE who still wasn't doing anything and really seemed the safest lynch of the lot after all. Which was right thankfully. Effectively after the end of night 2 and when I'd made that post, I'd spent quite a lot of time filtering people and at that moment those 3 made sense as a package, which is why I presented it as such and asked for thoughts from the rest of town. Events after that post led me to fall away from Djo and you, leaving behind VE who was an independent scumread. | ||
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On December 23 2012 08:47 Hapahauli wrote: Moar @ Marv Around the time that VE claimed cop, you took a rather exasperated stance on things: In this post, it seems very clear that you're not thrilled about the idea of lynching VE and are pretty torn on things. 4 minutes later... What I found odd about this was both your explanation and the turn-around time. You go from uneasy to extremely convinced by the actions of a player that wasn't VE. More odd is what's missing in your analysis - nowhere do you describe why VE/Jay scumteam is more likely than the alternative (Jay = stupid town). You simply state that VE/Jay is scum because this grand plan could have happened. Bonus: This post is odd considering the context of the game. On Day 3, I was presumably one of your top scumreads (you had your vote on me earlier in the day), and yet the bolded statement seems to imply that I'm town. Not a lot to say other than I had a zing moment on jay where it all made sense to me. Usually these things aren't a gradual realisation but they come to you while you're in the thread seeing things. As to the comment on intelligence, it doesn't imply that you're town at all. You are intelligent, and whether town or scum the point is correct. | ||
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On December 23 2012 08:58 Hapahauli wrote: So as I'm looking through Marv's filter, one of the huge problems that I'm having is that there's very little analysis pertaining to people that have actually flipped scum, and tons of analysis on people that have flipped town. What of this? Mostly I sheeped Palmar day 1 on Adam, and I said enough about VE because there was not a lot to say about him. It's pretty easy to provide detailed analysis on scumbuddies because you know they're scum with unpure motives and if you're bussing them why not. This point is ass backwards. | ||
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On December 23 2012 16:36 Hapahauli wrote: HOLD THE FUCK ON A MINUTE. Marv is scum. Marv claimed veteran. He's the 4th blue claim. The chances that there are 5 blues in this setup balance wise are... not very high. Yet marv's post regarding VE: If marv is the veteran, he shouldn't show the slightest bit of doubt lynching VE here. VE would be the 5th blue claim in a 16 man game. ##Vote Marvellosity You do realise bugs' game had 5 or 6 blues in a 13 man game with 3 scum, right? We could have a gf/vigi/goon/rolecop setup, or whatever. I'm pretty sure I made a post earlier where I said anything between about 2-6 blues could be balanced depending on scum roles. I had no real reason to disclose my role earlier in the day, I wasn't under any particular amount of suspicion and I didn't need to make a play to 'save myself'. The simple fact is that it's lylo and I went for full disclosure. Djodref: what do you expect out of a veteran mentality? I'm motherfucking marvellosity. I post a shit-tonne, I help lynch scum on day 1, what more do I have to do to get shot? Historically I rarely crumb my roles; I did so in Rock Band because I felt insecure in my position near the start, but in games like LI or Dwarf Fortress I didn't breadcrumb my tracker role, I've never crumbed my vigi roles (again, because it would be obvious, like it should have been with my vet role). | ||
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It's easy as fuck to make a case against grush because he is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS going to show scum traits just because of his "trolly" playstyle. There's nothing in his play that suggests he's playing at all like his scum play. yuk. | ||
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On December 23 2012 14:06 Z-BosoN wrote: Looking at grush, I really can't see anything in his posts. I didn't see the big difference in his filter marv announced earlier, not even after running around my house naked three times. Djo is now a town read for him, despite him wanting to kill Djo badly earlier on. VE also manifested a town to scum transition in his filter. And he seriously thinks we are a scum team. I really can't make any of his posts. why is this outrageous? | ||
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On December 23 2012 23:21 Hapahauli wrote: One post before I hit the road... see y'alls tonight! Ok maybe this was less of a "EUREKA" moment than I had thought. However, Hapa policy-lynch rule #2 (lynch marv at lylo) is starting to make much more sense to me right now. Outside of sheeping Palmar/debears on the Adam vote early on Day 1, you've been largely pushing mafia objectives. D2) Tunkeg lynch D3) Push three non-VE targets (Jay, myself, and Djo... seems like a townie crowd) D4) Jay lynch And now I see you convinced of my guilt. I've seen no frustration, or even hesitation about you lynching me today, despite it being a non-contested bandwagon at lylo. Like honestly - not a single person in this game has defended me for the last ~120 hours. And you think that I'm scum? Doubt it. As a last point, I saw a lot of frustration out of you when you pushed two mislynches in GSL II Mafia. I don't get any sense of frustration, urgency, or even emotion from you right now when the game is on the line. I'm pretty confident that you're flipping red. Obviously you have to take this stance right now, Mr Flip Floppy. Even this cycle you called me 99% town at some stage, and now because of the veteran thing which you're now admitting was not a point at all, you're "convinced I'm flipping red". The fact is mafia were likely bussing you hard today because you were likely to be a liability. I love that you're trying to pin the jay lynch on me when everyone thought he was scum and Palmar joined me on the Tunkeg wagon. Why the fuck would mafia defend you? | ||
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On December 23 2012 23:28 Djodref wrote: Why not ? If you are a team, you can win today. I mean, it would not be strange for mafia or town to show an activity outburst towards the end. right, I was about to say this myself. | ||
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On December 23 2012 23:26 Djodref wrote: It's not sudden, but it's true that you didn't try to lead since Tunkeg's lynch. You didn't try to push any lynch when the choice was between VE and me. So in your world where you know you're town, how hard did I try to push your lynch on Day 3? Or did I in fact vote VE, then come back near deadline and after thinking things through made sure VE got lynched? | ||
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On December 23 2012 22:08 Z-BosoN wrote: Marv, why would i take all this effort to bus hapa? Dont be ridiculous. Grush has a meta thats easy to hide your intentions in, im not about to give him a town read based on your meta read on him. Plane is leaving but as it stands, hapa came looking much better after my interaction with him, and i really dont think they djo hapa are a scum team. Its a big risk to take to give a town read on a scumbuddy when being pressured. ##vote marv Ill post more and update my vote when i land, i rlly need to shut cell off. The fact you're even asking or phrasing the question this way heavily suggests mafia objectives. Why are you, indeed, 'taking all this effort' to bus hapa, and then voting me at the end of it? | ||
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