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On December 10 2012 12:45 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 10 2012 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah, but there's a difference between the original intentions of what I did and what comes out of it no one knows your original intentions because you made a stupid play and then refused to explain it (I'm going to presume out of embarrassment, since anything else is just pathetic) Adam, thoughts on debears? He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of. Ill be watching him closely today.
as opposed to the people you won't be watching closely? ...
your whole summarising comment leaves ambiguity for either dumb or scum, care to commit on which way you're actually leaning?
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bugs... bugs. you know i hate dangly things and that random 80% is so fucking dangly.
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debears, I don't really get whatever your thing on Adam is. You seem to have a problem with him not immediately denouncing thrawn as scum or declaring him town. What's actually wrong with it?? It seems like you're manufacturing something out of nothing.
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On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that.
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On December 10 2012 23:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Palmar's post.
It's basically a cop out for not doing anything for at least the first half of day 1. We know he's here. There isn't anything to read. So why the hell should he get a free 24 hours off?
he *shouldn't*, but what you wanna do about it? do you want me to vote him for it like town killed him in Death Note? i don't see a satisfactory solution
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i'm pretty happy that i'll be able to read him once he starts posting properly, at any rate.
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On December 10 2012 23:19 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2012 23:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Palmar's post.
It's basically a cop out for not doing anything for at least the first half of day 1. We know he's here. There isn't anything to read. So why the hell should he get a free 24 hours off? he *shouldn't*, but what you wanna do about it? do you want me to vote him for it like town killed him in Death Note? i don't see a satisfactory solution I haven't read that game, but certainly this type of play isn't what I expect from Palmar as town. In general I would use "laziness" as a one-word description of his scum play.
100% agree, anyway there's not a lot to read, he got lynched (as town) because he had like one or two troll posts and did nothing else.
The point is that doing nothing is not the same as doing things lazily. So basically we have to wait for him to do something and then see how he does it.
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naw, I dunno who I wanna kill yet.
I wanna hear more from debears about his pushing of Adam.
And VE's vote on me is weird given he usually buddies me for at least the first 24 hours.
Those are the 2 main things I picked up so far, mostly waiting for all the inactives to show their faces.
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bugs & Palmar both very strong town, VE not too shabby either.
Is there a reason you're asking?
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On December 11 2012 01:17 debears wrote:
Maybe he wants to put a clear target on your guys' backs Marv
hi!
On December 10 2012 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
debears, I don't really get whatever your thing on Adam is. You seem to have a problem with him not immediately denouncing thrawn as scum or declaring him town. What's actually wrong with it?? It seems like you're manufacturing something out of nothing.
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On December 11 2012 01:22 debears wrote:@Djo/Marv Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. Notice 1) Your town play is way different 2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim 3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast"
He said he wasn't calling him scum right that instant, he was questioning him to try to find out what was going on. That doesn't mean he didn't find the play scummy. Presumably the reason he's questioning him is BECAUSE his play was different from his town play. No?
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On December 10 2012 23:30 Djodref wrote:
@ WBG
We have now 4 people that have not contributed at all since the beginning of this game (Munk-E, Z-Boson, Vivax and Tunkeg). Palmar has made clear when he would be able to start to participate which is at least better than these 4 others.
I don't know all the players in this game, and I don't why/if the host would have chosen Palmar to be in the scumteam for balance reason.
So I am now under the impression that you are using Palmar as an excuse to not comment on the other players in this game.
What about Bluelightz ? Are you familiar with him ?
Any comment you would do on his entrance in the thread ?
And what about you? You casually mention BL in a question about whether he and I are considered vets too, so you seem interested in him somehow.
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On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:10 Djodref wrote:
@ Munk-E
Could you confirm me that it's only your second game on these forums ?
You get yourself lynched D1 or D2 for being inactive in a newbie lately, am I right ?
Weird scum or weird town for WBG ?
By the way, the way he phrased it didn't exactly mean he was 80% sure he was mafia. It was a preliminary thing, so I understood it as valuable only for this early game. This is actually my 4th or fifth game. I can't find the others in my post history, because i guess TL doesn't keep a post history that's that old. Yes, day 1 lynch last time, I'm gonna try to be more active so people don't waste their lynch again for no reason other than i didn't say enough. as for WBG, the more i think about it, the more I think he's more likely to be town. If he was scum, this play would either be to bus palmer if he's scum, which would be stupid and unnecessary, or to try to start a bandwagon on him if he's town, which would most likely be futile. He could be trying to appear to be an aggressive scumhunter, attacking harmless enemies though, so he seems town, but then again, aggressive scumhunting seems town. I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers.
this is confusing. You think him calling Palmar scum is aggressive scumhunting, or?
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as I read it that was bugs saying he wasn't commenting on BL, so no bugs didn't say he wouldn't be going after the other lurkers
why am I finding it so hard to engage you in conversation on your read of Adam??
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well the response was pretty unlikely to come before your post dear
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On December 11 2012 02:42 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 01:22 debears wrote:@Djo/Marv Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. Notice 1) Your town play is way different 2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim 3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast" He said he wasn't calling him scum right that instant, he was questioning him to try to find out what was going on. That doesn't mean he didn't find the play scummy. Presumably the reason he's questioning him is BECAUSE his play was different from his town play. No? But marv that seems to contrast his statement saying "if I wanted to call you scum". It's possible that it's just me interpreting what he means wrongly. But saying "i'm not calling you scum" is the same thing as "i'm not calling you scummy" imo. It's not that he questioned thrawn. It's how he did it. Saying "your town meta is different' and "town you wouldn't say this" implies that he finds thrawn scummy. Then, he says he's not calling thrawn scum. Also, marv, what do you think of this? Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
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The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions. Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category. 1) Look at my "case". 4/5 sentences is a case by me? Yeah right.... 2) He takes my post out of context. Djo asked me me a question and I responded Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice sonAnd it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread  So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ? Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
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The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced Then, he votes me after taking my post out of context, saying I should have voted him with my "case" Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:In fact, why are you not voting me dabears? On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo
The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears Yeah.....I'm sorry marv that I don't follow up my extensive, 4 sentence cases with no quotes that are a response to a question with a vote This reaction is something that I don't see a townie mindset 1) Questioning someone and mentioning twice that they're playing way different from their town play. Then, saying that you don't think they are scum (ie scummy) 2) Taking someone else's posts out of context when he mentions you 3) Voting for said person when he didn't make a "case" against you because he didn't follow up his "case" with a vote
The problem as I see it is that you're doing what you're accusing Adam of doing. Adam is questioning thrawn on his millershit or whatever. But he's not calling him scum or voting him, right?
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo
The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced
Now this might not be a "case" as you would call one, but then what is it? You don't like his questioning, you don't like his lack of vote, you don't like that he didn't call him scummy, you felt his reaction was forced. All this in itself implies that he is either scum or scummy (if you say the two are the same...) and yet at the time you weren't voting him either.
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On December 11 2012 02:50 Vivax wrote:
My analysis is the end of that post. Thrawn acts as if he had some kind of plan behind his actions, and VE defending him doesn't take that into consideration, but thinks of it as a joke.
Clarity, may I know why you are so disinterested in thrawns claim? You were the first to point out his mistake and never gave a fuck about it.
I don't feel like I can just let this matter go. Thrawn could have talked about it as a joke, instead he acts as if he did it on purpose.
He's probably just realized that he's made a big mistake, and further talking about him will harm him no matter what.
So what do you conclude? It seems like you're trying to make a point with this VE stuff but I'm not quite sure what it is.
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so you're saying that if someone doesn't do something you expect from their townselves, it is necessarily scummy?
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