Paranoia Mafia - Page 90

<MrZentor> I'm not as sure about Keirathi as I was
<Blazinghand> I see
<Blazinghand> let's talk about WBG
<MrZentor> What do you think of gim?
<MrZentor> c:
<MrZentor> him
<Blazinghand> I don't like him, but all I have is a general feel that he's scummy
<Blazinghand> I feel like a town WBG is more useful than this WBG
<MrZentor> Yeah I've never been able to read WBG
<MrZentor> I'm hoping he gets shot during the next night phase
<Blazinghand> looking at his filter he seems confrontational and aggressive but not as helpful, not as willing to draw out other players into conversations
<Blazinghand> I'm not sure WBG is actually contributing to the town atmosphere.
<Blazinghand> yo man
<Blazinghand> you there?
<Blazinghand> I'm voting WBG
<Blazinghand> dude
<MrZentor> Hmm
<Blazinghand> check my case
<Blazinghand> let me know what you think
<Blazinghand> i just posted a vote as well
<MrZentor> Hmm
<MrZentor> It was good in that you showed he wasn't promoting a good town environment
<Blazinghand> I see no reason for WBG to do this
<Blazinghand> other than that he's scum
<MrZentor> You should have said something like
<Blazinghand> I can add it in now
<MrZentor> WBG should know better than to do this
<MrZentor> or somehting
<Blazinghand> " I expect more out of WBG. "
<Blazinghand> I have that
<Blazinghand> I also have "Oh yeah and he clearly didn't read my post about ShiaoPi and Keirathi, he just wanted to slap it down and lay on the insults. This isn't how you play mafia, this isn't how you hunt scum."
<Blazinghand> in any case it's not super WBG meta specific
<Blazinghand> it's just pretty clear he's pushing a scum agenda
<MrZentor> Yeah
<MrZentor> I kind of want to vote for him
<Blazinghand> if you want to vote him wait
<Blazinghand> don't do it just yet
<MrZentor> But that might really suspicious..
<Blazinghand> well
<Blazinghand> it's fine if you're the next vote
<Blazinghand> actually, you should write up some addons to my case
<Blazinghand> and post them and vote
<Blazinghand> it's fine if we vote together
<Blazinghand> it'll make our mason claim stronger
<MrZentor> I might write "IM SPONTANEOUS ##Vote:WBG"
<Blazinghand> if we're working together in the thread
<Blazinghand> no don't make your vote seem weak
<Blazinghand> that's what scum does when they work together
<MrZentor> lol
<MrZentor> that's what's fun though
<MrZentor> XD
<MrZentor> It's going to appear pretty weak anyways..
<Blazinghand> you should post the stuff you said above about like "WBG should know better"
<MrZentor> I'll vote in half an hour
<Blazinghand> and say "I agree with blazinghand"
<Blazinghand> and then be like "in fact, WBG has seemed 'off' to me all game! and now I understand why."
<Blazinghand> don't be afraid to vote too close to me time-wise
<Blazinghand> and the reason I say this is that this WBG wagon will be hard
<Blazinghand> people don't like lynching vets
<MrZentor> Everybody's going to hate me for being fickle
<MrZentor> There
<Blazinghand> :D
<Blazinghand> someone else posted
<Blazinghand> I think we've expressed what everyone else was already thinking
<Blazinghand> but was afraid to say
<MrZentor> Being a mason is awesome
<Blazinghand> yeah it's been really great to have you to bounce reads off of
<Blazinghand> and knowing that like we're both unlynchable
<Blazinghand> since if it comes down to it we can claim
<MrZentor> I love how you made a case against me
<MrZentor> That's absolutely hilarious XD
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<MrZentor> Why aren't you voting for WBG
<MrZentor> Nvm..
<MrZentor> WHAT
<MrZentor> THEY CANT BE MASONS
<MrZentor> THEY ARE SO SCUM
<MrZentor> RIGHT
<Blazinghand> yes
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<Blazinghand> well I think we just won.
<MrZentor> Yeah
<MrZentor> Well
<MrZentor> I hope so
<Blazinghand> yup
<MrZentor> I hope the game doesn't live up to its name
<MrZentor> Because I'd hate for you to be scum
<MrZentor> or something stupid like that
<MrZentor> But after Keir's last post
<MrZentor> I'm more certain they're scum
<Blazinghand> i highly doubt this game is bastard modded
<Blazinghand> and I doubt even more than there are 6 blues
<MrZentor> argh
<MrZentor> GIMME THE FLIP
<Blazinghand> lol
<MrZentor> There are always at least 3 posts after the
<MrZentor> please refrain from posting
<MrZentor> post
<Blazinghand> lol
<MrZentor> Ugh
<MrZentor> 6 posts
<MrZentor> and no night posts
<Blazinghand> i keep on refreshing
<Blazinghand> lol
<MrZentor> ARGH\
<MrZentor> MROE POPCORN
<MrZentor> okay
<MrZentor> 4 masons
<MrZentor> wtf
<Blazinghand> welp
<Blazinghand> at least we won't waste a mislynch on Kei
<MrZentor> we suck
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<Blazinghand> mrZ my brother
<Blazinghand> tell me
<Blazinghand> what are your thoughts on the austin claim
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<Blazinghand> alright
<Blazinghand> so
<Blazinghand> what are your thoughts on the austin claim
<MrZentor> I thought sandroba was shady before
<MrZentor> But I didn't want to speak up
<MrZentor> because so many people thought he was town
<MrZentor> idk
<Blazinghand> ah
<MrZentor> I don't think a mafia would claim
<Blazinghand> so you think the claim is legit
<MrZentor> after so many blue claims
<MrZentor> you know?
<Blazinghand> well, right now there are 3 scum alive
<Blazinghand> and we're at lylo-1
<Blazinghand> and austin is considered scum by most, and sandro is considered town by most
<Blazinghand> if austin is scum this isnt' a bad move
<Blazinghand> because even trading 1-1 with sandro
<Blazinghand> it puts us at 2-scum lylo
<Blazinghand> but yeah if you think sandro is scum and austin is town
<Blazinghand> then voting sandro makes sense
<MrZentor> idk
<Blazinghand> tell me abotu your sandro scumread
<MrZentor> But sand defended bugs
<MrZentor> But he didn't really try to stop him from getting lynched
<MrZentor> Which is weird considering
<MrZentor> he thought Bugs was town
<Blazinghand> ah so basically he wanted to get credit for defending bugs
<Blazinghand> but still let him get lynched
<MrZentor> yeah
<MrZentor> LISTEN PEOPLE! I've reread WBG's filter a couple times by now. Consider please that yesterday lynch was between 2 townies and scum shot marvelosity. WBG's behavior makes no sense as mafia. Even if you can twist it somehow like you guys have been trying to do, the tone and emotional content of his posts are very genuine. I've played with mafia bugs before, and while he is hard to read, he is either non confrontational or troll
<MrZentor> but idk
<Blazinghand> so this to you seems like a defense that is setting upt o look good after a bugs flip
<Blazinghand> but not actually save him
<MrZentor> yeah
<Blazinghand> who was he pushign at the time?
<MrZentor> Shiaopi
<Blazinghand> he didn't stop there though
<Blazinghand> he also made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129729
<Blazinghand> and followed it up http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129793
<MrZentor> He wasn't around at all during the 8 hours before the lynch
<MrZentor> idk
<Blazinghand> I guess the thing is, it seems he defended WBG pretty hard
<Blazinghand> and like, yeah for 8 hours he was gone but people have work and sleep and stuff
<Blazinghand> especially since the lynch is at 5 pm Brazil time, where he lives
<Blazinghand> he coudl well have been at work for the 8 hours leading up to the lynch
<Blazinghand> I will say though that his number of posts has been low
<Blazinghand> but in his posts he's taking stances, pushing his reads, and defending his townreads
<Blazinghand> and it's not just dropping one or two sentences saying WBG is town-- he argues quite a bit
<Blazinghand> in any case, here's my scumread on austin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17142193
<Blazinghand> it's based a bit on how he interacts with VE, but also on his weird case structure D1
<Blazinghand> let me know what you think
<Blazinghand> whatever happens either I should switch over to voting sandro or you should come and vote austin, because if we split our votes we're very ineffective
<MrZentor> Yeah
<MrZentor> Has austin posted the his role pm?
<Blazinghand> no
<MrZentor> why
<Blazinghand> he doesn't have a rolecrumb, or check crumbs, either
<MrZentor> not
<Blazinghand> dunno, but it's not super relevant
<Blazinghand> scum would have fake pm
<Blazinghand> the important thing is this
<Blazinghand> he didn't crumb his check result from N1 right
<MrZentor> Yeah, it's weird that he doesn't have one
<Blazinghand> but if you don't crumb your N1 result at the start of D1
<Blazinghand> you HAVE to claim at the end of N2
<Blazinghand> in case you're shot
<Blazinghand> right
<Blazinghand> because if you die, there's no way peopel can find out your results
<Blazinghand> and he had a red check on sandro
<Blazinghand> and didn't act on it
<Blazinghand> not even a little
<MrZentor> He didn't post his role pm?
<Blazinghand> nope
<MrZentor> But
<MrZentor> He should post it
<MrZentor> as town or scum
<MrZentor> that's weird
<Blazinghand> people asked him a lot but he didn't
<Blazinghand> I mean, the simple thing is that
<Blazinghand> scum didn't get a fake claim PM for watcher
<Blazinghand> which is kind of a specific role
<MrZentor> I'll vote for him as long as he doesn't post his role pm
<Blazinghand> ok but wait
<Blazinghand> the crumb thing
<Blazinghand> that doesn't raise your suspcions at all?
<Blazinghand> no role crumb, no chekc crumbs
<Blazinghand> and he had a red check D2
<MrZentor> It's weir
<MrZentor> d
<MrZentor> yeah
<Blazinghand> and didn't act on it
<Blazinghand> like, this is EXACTLY what a textbook scum claim looks like
<MrZentor> He's probably scum...
<Blazinghand> except
<Blazinghand> well, the one thing is that he claimes to have a red check
<Blazinghand> typically scum claim to have green checks on confirmed players
<Blazinghand> but I think he's tring to trade 1-for-1
<Blazinghand> to put us at LYLO
<Blazinghand> with 2 scum left alive
<Blazinghand> since he was probably gonna get lynched today anyways
<MrZentor> Yeah
<Blazinghand> like, i'm not super sure on this
<Blazinghand> Sandro is not the most townie of players
<Blazinghand> and this isn't GREAT scum play, it's kinda desperate
<Blazinghand> I am not without doubts
<Blazinghand> but at the same time I think austin is more likely to flip scum than sandro
<MrZentor> but Dandel replaced out
<Blazinghand> and like, worst case scenario
<MrZentor> Which means he is town
<MrZentor> XD
<Blazinghand> man that's bad logic lol
<Blazinghand> but yeah
<MrZentor> lol
<Blazinghand> like, worst case scenario
<MrZentor> so true though
<MrZentor> so true
<Blazinghand> last game
<Blazinghand> djoref replaced in
<Blazinghand> he was scum
<Blazinghand> so like worst case scenario
<Blazinghand> austin is town
<Blazinghand> and we have to lynchs andro
<Blazinghand> that's fine
<Blazinghand> it's not great
<Blazinghand> but... it'll do
<MrZentor> I'm saying that the ratio of town players that are replaced to scum that are replace
<MrZentor> is higher than the town to scum ratio
<MrZentor> which makes it more likely that they're town
<Blazinghand> I actually dissagree with that
<Blazinghand> as a host I replace 100% of people before D3
<Blazinghand> scum or town
<MrZentor> But people get less interested as town more easily
<Blazinghand> that sounds logicaly but usually it's not lack of itnerest that causes it, but some other external factor
<Blazinghand> I guess I've been in a LOT of games where the replaced player is scum
<MrZentor> I've been a lot where the replaced people are town
<Blazinghand> but like, the thing is a replaced player is like 75% of the time a townie
<Blazinghand> because 75% OF PLAYERS are townies
<Blazinghand> chances are, any given player is a townie
<MrZentor> Na the ratio for replaced is higher
<MrZentor> it's like 90%
<MrZentor> at least
<Blazinghand> it really isn't.
<MrZentor> I'll vote for austin
<Blazinghand> kk
<Blazinghand> man I REALLY hope he flips scum rofl
<MrZentor> lol
<MrZentor> he better
<MrZentor> or I'll blame yoi
<MrZentor> you
<MrZentor> it's a win win for me
<MrZentor> c
<Blazinghand> ;_; and it will have been my fault to
<Blazinghand> LOL

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<Blazinghand> mrZ my brother
<Blazinghand> tell me
<Blazinghand> what are your thoughts on the austin claim
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<Blazinghand> alright
<Blazinghand> so
<Blazinghand> what are your thoughts on the austin claim
<MrZentor> I thought sandroba was shady before
<MrZentor> But I didn't want to speak up
<MrZentor> because so many people thought he was town
<MrZentor> idk
<Blazinghand> ah
<MrZentor> I don't think a mafia would claim
<Blazinghand> so you think the claim is legit
<MrZentor> after so many blue claims
<MrZentor> you know?
<Blazinghand> well, right now there are 3 scum alive
<Blazinghand> and we're at lylo-1
<Blazinghand> and austin is considered scum by most, and sandro is considered town by most
<Blazinghand> if austin is scum this isnt' a bad move
<Blazinghand> because even trading 1-1 with sandro
<Blazinghand> it puts us at 2-scum lylo
<Blazinghand> but yeah if you think sandro is scum and austin is town
<Blazinghand> then voting sandro makes sense
<MrZentor> idk
<Blazinghand> tell me abotu your sandro scumread
<MrZentor> But sand defended bugs
<MrZentor> But he didn't really try to stop him from getting lynched
<MrZentor> Which is weird considering
<MrZentor> he thought Bugs was town
<Blazinghand> ah so basically he wanted to get credit for defending bugs
<Blazinghand> but still let him get lynched
<MrZentor> yeah
<MrZentor> LISTEN PEOPLE! I've reread WBG's filter a couple times by now. Consider please that yesterday lynch was between 2 townies and scum shot marvelosity. WBG's behavior makes no sense as mafia. Even if you can twist it somehow like you guys have been trying to do, the tone and emotional content of his posts are very genuine. I've played with mafia bugs before, and while he is hard to read, he is either non confrontational or troll
<MrZentor> but idk
<Blazinghand> so this to you seems like a defense that is setting upt o look good after a bugs flip
<Blazinghand> but not actually save him
<MrZentor> yeah
<Blazinghand> who was he pushign at the time?
<MrZentor> Shiaopi
<Blazinghand> he didn't stop there though
<Blazinghand> he also made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129729
<Blazinghand> and followed it up http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17129793
<MrZentor> He wasn't around at all during the 8 hours before the lynch
<MrZentor> idk
<Blazinghand> I guess the thing is, it seems he defended WBG pretty hard
<Blazinghand> and like, yeah for 8 hours he was gone but people have work and sleep and stuff
<Blazinghand> especially since the lynch is at 5 pm Brazil time, where he lives
<Blazinghand> he coudl well have been at work for the 8 hours leading up to the lynch
<Blazinghand> I will say though that his number of posts has been low
<Blazinghand> but in his posts he's taking stances, pushing his reads, and defending his townreads
<Blazinghand> and it's not just dropping one or two sentences saying WBG is town-- he argues quite a bit
<Blazinghand> in any case, here's my scumread on austin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17142193
<Blazinghand> it's based a bit on how he interacts with VE, but also on his weird case structure D1
<Blazinghand> let me know what you think
<Blazinghand> whatever happens either I should switch over to voting sandro or you should come and vote austin, because if we split our votes we're very ineffective
<MrZentor> Yeah
<MrZentor> Has austin posted the his role pm?
<Blazinghand> no
<MrZentor> why
<Blazinghand> he doesn't have a rolecrumb, or check crumbs, either
<MrZentor> not
<Blazinghand> dunno, but it's not super relevant
<Blazinghand> scum would have fake pm
<Blazinghand> the important thing is this
<Blazinghand> he didn't crumb his check result from N1 right
<MrZentor> Yeah, it's weird that he doesn't have one
<Blazinghand> but if you don't crumb your N1 result at the start of D1
<Blazinghand> you HAVE to claim at the end of N2
<Blazinghand> in case you're shot
<Blazinghand> right
<Blazinghand> because if you die, there's no way peopel can find out your results
<Blazinghand> and he had a red check on sandro
<Blazinghand> and didn't act on it
<Blazinghand> not even a little
<MrZentor> He didn't post his role pm?
<Blazinghand> nope
<MrZentor> But
<MrZentor> He should post it
<MrZentor> as town or scum
<MrZentor> that's weird
<Blazinghand> people asked him a lot but he didn't
<Blazinghand> I mean, the simple thing is that
<Blazinghand> scum didn't get a fake claim PM for watcher
<Blazinghand> which is kind of a specific role
<MrZentor> I'll vote for him as long as he doesn't post his role pm
<Blazinghand> ok but wait
<Blazinghand> the crumb thing
<Blazinghand> that doesn't raise your suspcions at all?
<Blazinghand> no role crumb, no chekc crumbs
<Blazinghand> and he had a red check D2
<MrZentor> It's weir
<MrZentor> d
<MrZentor> yeah
<Blazinghand> and didn't act on it
<Blazinghand> like, this is EXACTLY what a textbook scum claim looks like
<MrZentor> He's probably scum...
<Blazinghand> except
<Blazinghand> well, the one thing is that he claimes to have a red check
<Blazinghand> typically scum claim to have green checks on confirmed players
<Blazinghand> but I think he's tring to trade 1-for-1
<Blazinghand> to put us at LYLO
<Blazinghand> with 2 scum left alive
<Blazinghand> since he was probably gonna get lynched today anyways
<MrZentor> Yeah
<Blazinghand> like, i'm not super sure on this
<Blazinghand> Sandro is not the most townie of players
<Blazinghand> and this isn't GREAT scum play, it's kinda desperate
<Blazinghand> I am not without doubts
<Blazinghand> but at the same time I think austin is more likely to flip scum than sandro
<MrZentor> but Dandel replaced out
<Blazinghand> and like, worst case scenario
<MrZentor> Which means he is town
<MrZentor> XD
<Blazinghand> man that's bad logic lol
<Blazinghand> but yeah
<MrZentor> lol
<Blazinghand> like, worst case scenario
<MrZentor> so true though
<MrZentor> so true
<Blazinghand> last game
<Blazinghand> djoref replaced in
<Blazinghand> he was scum
<Blazinghand> so like worst case scenario
<Blazinghand> austin is town
<Blazinghand> and we have to lynchs andro
<Blazinghand> that's fine
<Blazinghand> it's not great
<Blazinghand> but... it'll do
<MrZentor> I'm saying that the ratio of town players that are replaced to scum that are replace
<MrZentor> is higher than the town to scum ratio
<MrZentor> which makes it more likely that they're town
<Blazinghand> I actually dissagree with that
<Blazinghand> as a host I replace 100% of people before D3
<Blazinghand> scum or town
<MrZentor> But people get less interested as town more easily
<Blazinghand> that sounds logicaly but usually it's not lack of itnerest that causes it, but some other external factor
<Blazinghand> I guess I've been in a LOT of games where the replaced player is scum
<MrZentor> I've been a lot where the replaced people are town
<Blazinghand> but like, the thing is a replaced player is like 75% of the time a townie
<Blazinghand> because 75% OF PLAYERS are townies
<Blazinghand> chances are, any given player is a townie
<MrZentor> Na the ratio for replaced is higher
<MrZentor> it's like 90%
<MrZentor> at least
<Blazinghand> it really isn't.
<MrZentor> I'll vote for austin
<Blazinghand> kk
<Blazinghand> man I REALLY hope he flips scum rofl
<MrZentor> lol
<MrZentor> he better
<MrZentor> or I'll blame yoi
<MrZentor> you
<MrZentor> it's a win win for me
<MrZentor> c
<Blazinghand> ;_; and it will have been my fault to
<Blazinghand> LOL